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Cult of Kosmos

"At this point, there is no confirmation the CoK are proto-templars at all." Alright, now where is this coming from? Frontierchris (talk) 15:35, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

There was a discussion quite a while ago which debated about this, which you can check out here. Nothing in the game nor the media indicates them to be a Proto-Templar organization at all. As such, we cannot speculate them to be as one even if their ideals and goals are similar. The Order of the Ancients was already confirmed to be one, which is why I did not remove them. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:40, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

Don't you remember what Aspasia said to Kassandra at the Cult of Kosmos' hideout? Frontierchris (talk) 15:59, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

Again, as I've stated, sharing the same ideals and goals doesn't automatically make them a Proto-Templar organization. XOdeyssusx (talk) 16:11, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

Odeyssus, here's an article I think you should see which may confirm whether or not the Cult of Kosmos were proto-templars, just click on this [1]. Frontierchris (talk) 17:34, June 22, 2019 (UTC)

I have seen it before and while the theories are interesting, the website itself is not an official Ubisoft media or source. We only accept if Ubisoft themselves confirms that the CoK is indeed a Proto-Templar organization. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:20, June 23, 2019 (UTC)

Hyphens and dashes in memory pages

Odeysssussssss, remember that hyphens are only grammatically correct when used with compound words. In all other cases, the proper punctuation is a dash, either an en dash (–) or an em dash (—), and conventionally we favour the latter when breaking off clauses in the middle of a sentence. This applies to memory pages too. I know that Ubisoft has constantly used hyphens in its subtitles and even some documents, but this is still a grammatical error, one that is unfortunate a bit common even in some professional companies due to oversight, laziness of writers, etc. I've corrected them for most of the Odyssey main memory pages, but I still see you adding hyphens again for new dialogue. :-/ The em dash should especially be used when a character's line is abruptly interrupted, where this is the one and only correct punctuation for that; the hyphen is too short for that function. The en dash should be used for date ranges, to qualify lines with an action (e.g. "Kill –" or "Lie –"), and for titles. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:31, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

Just for some reference, you can check out Wikipedia:Hyphens and dashes, the Wikipedian Manual of Style, or popular guides on English grammar like the Chicago Manual of Style, the Purdue University Online Writing Lab, The Associated Press Stylebook, and The Canadian Press Stylebook. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:09, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

Oh my, that's quite a lot of articles to read up on. I give them a read whenever I can. Thanks and apologies for all that errors :| XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:02, June 20, 2019 (UTC)
Oh noo you don't have to read all of them or even any of them. They all say the same thing, and I already summarized them. I'm just giving them as sources haha. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 10:28, June 20, 2019 (UTC)


Why aren't watermarked images allowed? Frontierchris (talk) 21:54, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

Watermarks are there because the uploader of the content do not want people to take the images and use it without their permission. Given the example of the image being from Access The Animus, it obviously means they do not wish for people take their image without their perimission.

P.S Also, I would like to point out that all the images you have uploaded recently have not been properly sourced. You sourced it to Youtube, but which video and which content creator who uploaded it? Just adding a Youtube link is not sufficient. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:05, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

Alright I'll fix them tomorrow, just don't delete any of them. Frontierchris (talk) 02:20, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

All the images have been properly sourced including the one of Abia the Shaded. Frontierchris (talk) 23:12, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

Spacing of dialogue without change in speaker

So, I'm a little confused on this one. I've been transcribing dialogue according to the game's subtitles (which has led to some conflict with apostrophes and hyphens, so it's probably not the best methodology already), which usually alters between two or more people with clear changes in speaker, each prefaced with a bullet point and bold font. Subtitles display, at most, two lines, before continuing the rest of that particular piece of dialogue on another one or two lines, but still clearly single continuous pieces, so I've prefaced them as such. But there are clear pauses in some dialogues where a shift takes place, even though the character keeps talking without someone else speaking up, like with Myrrine's tone in Home Sweet Home (Odyssey). First she remarks that the boys are useless if they're too weak to kill a wolf, *pause, closeup* followed by "Come, let's go home." In situations like that, I've copied their lines up to the pause, then treated anything after as a separate line with a separate preface, by the same speaker.

To sum up, I've noticed that some of these pauses have been changed, with 'Home Sweet Home' being a recent example. Have I been doing it wrong? RShepard227 (talk) 05:29, July 7, 2019 (UTC)

I won't say you did, but it's simply following a practice that has been in place for a while. The dialogue in the past memory articles have all been adding on to the same lines rather than going to the next with a seperate preface. I assume this is so that there wont be confusion of dialogues being spoken next. Either way, I don't think the line breaks are really needed, but I suppose the use of a
tag can be used in place of adding a seperate preface. XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:06, July 7, 2019 (UTC)
Good to know. I'll stick with what works then, but the br tag also sounds like a good idea. I'll try it out and we can better judge how it looks. Thanks for the advisement. RShepard227 (talk) 04:15, July 8, 2019 (UTC)

Quick question

Hey XOdeyssusx,

I have a quick question. I saw this edit of yours. Where did you find out about Sokrates' Trial? I might have missed it, but haven't heard of it being mentioned. Cheers, Kennyannydenny (talk) 09:16, July 7, 2019 (UTC)

It was through an E3 showcase video by a YouTuber who has exclusive access to the content given. XOdeyssusx (talk) 09:19, July 7, 2019 (UTC)
Ah ok, thanks! Kennyannydenny (talk) 10:08, July 7, 2019 (UTC)


Hey Odeyssus, I saw your request at the Bottlenose dolphin page. I'm not sure what the difference is, but this - is the only dash that's on my keyboard, aside from the underscore. I have a Dutch keyboard, and not a US keyboard, so the layout and what buttons are on it are different. Maybe that other type of dash is on the US keyboard, but not mine. I can copy that other dash thingy from other pages I guess (don't really see any difference though so won't be sure if I copy the correct one) but as I have to go out of my way from typing just to copy those, expect me to often forget that, i've not used any other dashes than - for the past years and didn't even know there were several types. Kennyannydenny (talk) 11:08, July 16, 2019 (UTC)

The dash doesnt have anything to do with the keyboard, you can add it in by using the options in the Editor above. Just lick on the "more +" icon and a pop up will show the available symbols and codes. The dash is basically beside the Bold "Insert" text. XOdeyssusx (talk) 11:11, July 16, 2019 (UTC)
Oh ok, that's helpful. Saves me the trouble of having to look up another page that has the right ones and copy the thing. Kennyannydenny (talk) 11:32, July 16, 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I saw your edit here. Was the dash in the appearances section still the wrong dash? As I was changing the dashes on pages I made to that, thinking it was the one you were talking about. I clicked on more+. There are two dashes there, the first one looks like the one on my keyboard, so I thought you ment the second one. I have been using that second one since. Somehow I don't really see a difference until I save the page, and the second one becomes bigger. Am I supposed to use the first one of the two? I really want to get this right. Kennyannydenny (talk) 10:10, July 17, 2019 (UTC)

The first looks like the regular dashes we use on our keyboard, but it is actually bigger. So we use that for the references and appearances section. The 2nd is much longer, but is rarely used. Based on my understand, it seems to be used for dialogues when they are occasional breaks in between the sentences based on what we see ingame. XOdeyssusx (talk) 10:13, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
Ah, ok thanks! I'll be using the first one from now on then. Kennyannydenny (talk) 10:19, July 17, 2019 (UTC)


Odeyssus, would you mind explaining why you keep deleting the categories I've been adding lately? Frontierchris (talk) 15:02, July 19, 2019 (UTC)

I removed them with the reason given being speculation, because you are speculating them to be Isu technology because the alleged user they belong to are members of the Isu. Unless there are clear evidence to show that they are made by Isu, then we can add them in. Otherwise, we can't speculate that they are. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:15, July 19, 2019 (UTC)


Thank you for adding the images, they're looking great! Kennyannydenny (talk) 07:44, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

No problem :) :) XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:55, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

Lysander's Helmet

Odeyssus, the article for Lysander's Helmet needs to be fixed because the image is wrong, the helmet actually looks like the Spartan Polemarch Helmet. Frontierchris (talk) 14:19, August 22, 2019 (UTC)

Checked it ingame multiple times, it is the correct helmet. You're likely refering to the one Lysander wears ingame, which is why there's the discrepancy. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:38, August 22, 2019 (UTC)

You think maybe you could add a picture of the full set on the Lysander’s Set article? Frontierchris (talk) 14:30, August 23, 2019 (UTC)

Will get to it as I progress along with my playthroughs. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:52, August 23, 2019 (UTC)

Burned Farm

Regarding the disambig page. I'm currently searching the world in ACOD for anything the wiki doesn't have. If it turns out there are only 2 Burned Farms, then the page can be deleted. I just assumed there'd be more than one, I'll keep searching.B O O F H E A D 1 8 5 (talk) 10:34, September 8, 2019 (UTC)


Is 100% confirmed, you know little about logic. (talk 21:50, September 25, 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps you probably go back and look at your sentence structure and take a look at this memory which the content is from.
A tax collector came to Stephane's house demanding he pay his tax, the taxman and the soldiers hated him and beat up him later.
There was nothing wrong with the sentence prior to the comma, the problem lies with the sentence you added in after. Not only is the phrasing wrong, but there was no mention of the individual being beaten up, just the mention of brawling and with Connor's assistance. Besides, all I simply done is rewritten the sentence prior to your edit so that it flows better. XOdeyssusx (talk) 06:00, September 26, 2019 (UTC)


Odeyssus, what's going on, all the articles are being blocked by this candidate for speedy deletion thing.

Someone is messing up several templates and stuff, which is why there's all these issues. I suggest that you dont edit anything at the moment. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:25, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Like not

A normal person can have their own doctor, dentist, cure, psychologist, teacher, lawyer, ect. Because not your own collector, you have no idea what I mean. User:RevolutionD3 (talk) 18:24 , September 26, 2019 (UTC)

Except that the roles you mention function differently from that of a taxcollector. Sure you, can address those roles as "his doctor, my teacher, her lawyer" etc, but I have never seen, or heard of someone addressing taxcollector as "his taxcollector". I get where you are coming from, but I do not agree with how you are addressing that phrase. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:18, September 28, 2019 (UTC)

Kephallonia emblem

Hi there! A while back, you found and uploaded multiple emblems of various regions in AC: Odyssey. Did you manage to find one featuring a ram's head, its grand horns curling back? 'Cause that's Kephallonia Islands' emblem, and might be added to its page, given that the banner doesn't appear in-game. Sadelyrate (siniath) 13:33, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

Yes I did find one, but since we can't find it in-game, probably means that it's ultimately not meant to be used. I'll probably still upload it, but I'm not sure if we should use it though. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:51, September 29, 2019 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the emblem you found is actually used in-game. When you go to the Message Board in Sami and click open the quest menu, it features the head on the upper left corner. The emblem's also present on the shields of the Barbarians (Adrestia crew skin), and the artbook confirms it. Sadelyrate (siniath) 13:54, September 29, 2019 (UTC)
Then I suppose we use that then. Anyway, I've uploaded the image already, so you can go and take a look. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:04, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

Athenian Tassets?

You wouldn't happen to have a pic of the variant of the Athenian Tassets? The one with the disks near the ends of the leather strips? Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:25, October 14, 2019 (UTC)

Give me some time to find it :) XOdeyssusx (talk) 09:48, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! Take your time. :) 'Easiest' is likely via the cosmetic panel. Annoyingly multiple things are named the same. Sadelyrate (siniath) 10:11, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 10:22, October 15, 2019 (UTC)

Ancient Axe

With "By then, it was already ancient." I ment that in the 5th century BCE, even though it was used in that time, it was already ancient. It was from a time way before the 5th century BCE, according to the ingame description. If I didn't clarify, it would seem that it's now an acient axe, since it was from the 5th century BCE, even though it is much older. Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:04, October 21, 2019 (UTC)


I categorized the Tunguska explosion in legends as there are many theories and mysteries about the event. Like for Jeanne d'Arc, Vlad Tepes and Nostradamus, many legends surround them even if they are historical characters.Francesco75 (talk) 10:35, November 17, 2019 (UTC)

AC1 informers

Hi XOdeyssusx,
I'm working through AC1 memories, adding links where I can, when I noticed that the informants page had been redirected to no objections from "informant" to "informer" by Wiki Manager (and Metal Gear Bureaucrat) Bluerock last Aug/Oct. As I recall, we tend to follow Wikipedia's naming style, but while WP has the page as "informant", Bluerock says AC1 exclusively used "informer". Which is it? If the former, could this be reverted back, or was the change agreed upon in IRC/ Discord and I'm unaware? – Darman (talk) 19:00, November 17, 2019 (UTC)

Hey there Darman, apologies for the late reply. I'm not too familiar with AC1 articles since I don't actually play the game despite owning it XD I don't recall a discussion in IRC/ Discord in regards to that issue so I'm afraid you might have to check with someone else :/ XOdeyssusx (talk) 11:55, November 18, 2019 (UTC)
It's only been a day, you're not late. Admittedly, I'm also unfamiliar with AC1, as I entered series with AC3, but looking at YouTube vids confirms what Bluerock said. When approaching an Assassin on the street, an Animus pop-up appears reading,

Informer Challenge
Lock onto the Informer to
Start Informer Challenge

But WP uses "informant", so what to do (if anything?) – Darman (talk) 15:45, November 18, 2019 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure myself since the Wikipedia also use informer as an alternative (as seen in the opening introduction). I guess they are the same in that regard? Perhaps we leave it as it is for now unless someone who is more well-versed in the MoS / naming style format has an opinion on that XD XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:36, November 19, 2019 (UTC)
(Sorry, thought I'd replied) *grumbles* Alright, I'll wait. I just don't like seeing "unused" (if you will) redirects still floating about on main pages – Darman (talk) 14:55, November 27, 2019 (UTC)

ACReb + Memory Infobox

In an unrelated question, a week back, Chomchaum added the reward and heroclass parameters to the Memory infobox template for ACReb's Helix Events. I undid it, arguing "as these fields are exclusive to Rebellion alone, I [felt that] they're too niche to be in a generic infobox across all game memories", but they undid *that*, saying "As these fields are not mandatory, they can just not be filled for other AC games", which is fair. However, I still don't think such fields are necessary, as we don't include XP recruits earned in any of the pages on Assassin/Templar contracts (by bird, Den Defense, or ship missions). I pointed this out on their talk pg, hoping to spark discussion, but have not heard a reply. What would you advise? Thanks. – Darman (talk) 14:55, November 27, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not really familiar with templates by itself, but I think we occasionally (not always) have had discussions and polls conducted in regards to proposing these kind of changes to templates and stuff. As you said, if Rebellion memories have these fields, then the same should be applied to the others as well since the XP system is also present in previous games. Otherwise, they should be removed. Imo, we can have a sort of a small poll or discussion on whether this should be included depending on what the consensus agrees with. Right now, I don't think undoing each other's edits is going to help with the issue XD XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:35, November 28, 2019 (UTC)
Yes, the Wiki has on occasion had discussion on Templates; this one on ship details is the most recent I recall. Looking at the game again, it seems Chomchaum was right: all of Rebellion's memories give XP and coins (Helix Credits are campaign-exclusive) as "guaranteed rewards", with lower XP/coins for replays, and all suggest certain hero classes for 100% completion (don't know how I missed it...), though it's optional and can be ignored. Meanwhile, Helix Events give fluctuating Data Nodes (and sometimes Helix Cube points) in place of XP based on what tier is played. Looks like we should keep both fields. My mistake. (I think XP for Connor's recruits and Shay/Edward's fleet missions changes depending on who/what ship you send and their level? I don't recall...) Sorry for the confusion when the answer's right in front of me. Guess I'll sit this one out too, lol. – Darman (talk) 17:10, November 28, 2019 (UTC)


(Hope you don't mind an AC flashback!) Clicking through the wiki, I noticed that Brotherhood does not have an Assassin recruits' contract pages. Or rather, it has them, but only the ones from linking it to Project Legacy, not the in-game ones from the pigeon coops. We have pages (even if regrettably stubs) for both Shay Cormac's and Edward Kenway's fleets, and have full pages for the Mediterranean Defense and Colonial Assassin contracts, so shouldn't we have a page for this, too? And if so, what name should be used, since "Assassin Guild" is about the organization of a local chapter and does not list contracts? – Darman (talk) 20:35, December 13, 2019 (UTC)

Hmm good that you mentioned it because I never really noticed it until you mentioned it to me XD I suppose we can follow a format similar to Contracts (Colonial Brotherhood), but the name being the Italian Brotherhood instead. XOdeyssusx (talk) 08:07, December 14, 2019 (UTC)
I'd been thinking that. But doing some digging online—as I don't own Brotherhood—I came across some key things before we continue. While we can get some mission details (title, description, etc) from this partial list (see §7.0) and most walkthroughs like this vid at 6:25 when slowed down, it appears that they are all just generic missions simply meant to level up recruits. Now, I feel there's something different about these than the missions for AC3's recruits or the fleets? Because just the ones in AC3's page are far from enough for every recruit to reach Assassin, and I'm near-certain some fleet missions repeat, but it's been so long since playing either, I don't recall. – Darman (talk) 06:50, December 15, 2019 (UTC)
I don't recall that either since it's been a while since I last touched Brotherhood, but I suppose the Contracts in that game could be different from AC3. Maybe this can probably explain why no one has created one for the Contracts in the game since it seems to be generic and randomized missions rather than one that is standardized like the rest. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:52, December 15, 2019 (UTC)

Who are you?

"Irrevelant" because those who dedicate yourself to hunting vandalism are you so formal? Please speak as a normal person, not as a steward of the Queen of England. Bullfighter654 (talk) 22:33, January 3, 2020 (UTC)

Images of Adrestia

Hi, I'm a user of the Spanish Assassin's Creed Wiki. Right now, I'm creating the article Adrestia and I'm using as a reference the one that you have in this Wiki. Since you've uploaded all the images of the figureheads and the crew themes, I want to ask you one question: how did you get the png? I know you probably used Photoshop or some other program to remove the background, but I don't know where to get the original image from to get it so clean. If I could learn about how you got it, not only would I be able to finish the article on the Spanish wiki, I could also fill the ones that are empty or replace the images that doesn't have the same style as the rest on this article.

Thank you for your time. The MFDZ (talk) 12:41, January 13, 2020 (UTC)

Hey there, I actually used an image extraction software known as Blacksmith (which is kinda similar to the Archive_NEXT software for previous games prior to Origins if you heard of it.) I can' remember where I downloaded it from and I'm not really good at it, so you properly have to search around and figure yourself :/

So there's actually not much of Photoshop used in the process, I simply used it to make some minor cleanups such as cropping and reallignment (For some weird reason, the images extracted are saved upside down, so you have to manually align the pictures to make it right).

Also, you can simply use the existing images on this wiki and upload it on the Spanish Wiki, just remember to credit where you get it from and it should be all good :D XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:18, January 13, 2020 (UTC)

AC targets

I was reading the "Assassination targets" talk page, but now I'm quite confused as to how we plan to update it and I thought asking you directly might help. Clearly, we list targets of hunts (Bayek, Altaïr) and revenge plots (Ezio, Connor, Arno, etc), since they have motive as per the definitions of "assassinate/ion". But what about secondary kills, like Animus objectives ("Kill 5 guards from a haystack") or unnamed targets from contract side-missions? ("Kill this man for me") And what differentiates between killing in the field of "work" vs a planned hit, as in Molotov.cockroach's example of Haytham killing John Harrison, never mind Kass' kills? If you can clear this up for me, or point me to who could, I'd greatly appreciate it. – Darman (talk) 18:00, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

Hey there Darman, apologies for the late reply, have been really busy with work D:
Sorry but I'm not exactly sure myself. There has been a lot of confusion in regards to who we include on the list since the article originally (I believed) intended to only list targets of Assassins and Templars and the inclusion of Kassandra did brought on some confusion since we didn't have a clue as to whether she constitutes as a Proto-Assassin, but it seems the Essential Guide seem to list her as such. We similarly had issues on whether Cok is a Proto-Templar organization but so far that issue has been rectified I believe.
In regards to your point, I guess the examples you listed are likely because it's too ambiguous, there's no names and there's either a lack of or no information given which thus does not warrant their place om the article. As for your second point, I think that really needs to be discussed further. We did actually planned to discuss it a while ago when we locked the article to prevent further edit warrings but seems like there wasn't much success XD
But since you brought it up again, I suppose we can get the other editors to provide their views on it. XOdeyssusx (talk) 11:42, January 20, 2020 (UTC)
So sorry for my own late response, it's busy on my end, too. And thank you for replying. I can see why we wouldn't include Animus objectives, then. Even if X guards were stealth killed in Memory Y, there's no motive to their deaths, so they die in the line of work and are not assassinations.

As to my second point, I think(?) the answer may be staring us in the face. The page's intro paragraph says targets were "individuals [...] deem[ed] worthy of elimination[,] believed to be corrupt and[/or?] a danger to humanity." If I may boldly suggest, what if we were a bit lax in defining "assassination" and listed all main story kills, whether eliminated in combat or by stealth, and any named killed secondary characters? (eg. Giant Iscariotte in ACU) There's motive—a game/comic/media's overarching Assassin-Templar War, a civilian's contract, or simple expedience as with Haytham—and it still allows for Kass' mercenary activities while hunting the Cult/Ancients. – Darman (talk) 17:00, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
I think we should first be honest that the fundamental issue with this article is that it originated as another gameplay list. "Assassination targets" referred to the primary story targets of each game, and that was essentially the criteria for inclusion. Since the wiki switched to an in-universe policy long before my time here, the page has been fumbling its way into adapting to this, like many of our other articles which are holdovers from the gameplay days of this wiki. If we do not stare at the source of this confusion in the face, we will continue to fumble around in the dark. The fact of the matter is that not every story-related kill is necessarily an assassination by the proper real-world definition of the word and not every trivial kill in a side mission isn't an assassination.
With that having been said, I would not look to how the lead of the article is currently written for direction at all since it can be considered long outdated. It is also not well written because it opens by defining it as targets of the Assassin Brotherhood—with Templar targets tacked on as an afterthought—when according to the talk page and the content of the page, it's about any assassination target in general regardless what faction commits it.
I should also clarify, Darman, that the second sentence that you're referencing, "the Assassins killed many individuals they believed to be corrupt and a danger to humanity", doesn't actually state that this is how the targets are being defined in the article, only that this is what the Assassins did as a detail to provide some context.
What we need to do is figure out what we want out of this article, how "assassination" is defined in the real-world (as with the word "terrorism" this is likely to be contentious but there would be legal definitions depending on the UN, US, etc.), and how we would wish to define it. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 19:46, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
I have just rewritten the intro of the article. I simply wrote that an assassination target is "an individual marked for death" but by no means am I certain this is how it should be defined because it seems to be too generalized. However, "deemed worthy of elimination" was even worse in my opinion since someone can deem someone else worthy for death without having the desire, will, or plan to actually carry it out. Also, I don't like how the page overuses the word "elimination" which is sort of a euphemism for "killing", "assassination", or "death". For the very first sentence, I definitely thought we should just flat out call it for what it is: death or killing. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:14, January 25, 2020 (UTC)
Oh my bad, I forgot to add the most important thing. After I rewrote the intro in a haste, I have come to think, based on how I rewrote it intuitively, that perhaps we should just move the page to "assassination" instead and just have the whole article be about assassination. This might also allow us to be more flexible on what targets to list? I'm not sure. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:16, January 25, 2020 (UTC)


I just wanted to say congratulations on achieving a whole bunch of points on this wiki. I am very proud of you. Arkansalter (talk) 16:47, March 4, 2020 (UTC)arkansalter


The dialogue should remain in the dialogue area, because it is not just a trivia it is a dialogue choice.

The bug is a thing, let it stay there so players will come here and read it. Because people still making up forum asking about the damn bug.

Quest Items description let it stay there so people would come here and stay interested. unsigned comment by TEOSS (talk · contr)

If the dialogue are as such, then you need to find a way to implement it properly in the proper format, not just dump it in there. The wikia here has a bunch of guidelines and Manual of Style to follow, so I suggest you read it up or look at other similar articles to have an idea on how to write them.
The articles on the wikia are written from an in-universe perspective, not gameplay based. That is why we have only a few articles that touches on Out-of-Universe and Gameplay elements. If you wish to include that bug thing, it should not be in the dialogue section itself, but instead of a Trivia/Behind the Scenes section which yu can always add under the outcome section.
As for quest items description, as mentioned above, most of our articles are written in an in-universe perspective, which which is gameplay or miscellaneous elements like quest items are often ommited out. It's not about keeping people interested. XOdeyssusx (talk) 09:19, March 24, 2020 (UTC)
I just dump it because I was in a hurry, and I was hoping someone who is smart willing to fix my information.
They should make a youtube video for its Manual Style. So other people, like me will not get confused.
Items info should not be omitted out, might not about keeping people interested. But still Information is still information, an informative information even though minor should still be important. Take Souls Series for an example that no items info should be omitted out.unsigned comment by TEOSS (talk · contr)
If it is an important piece of information, then it should be kept yes. But I don't see how it is. We are not IGN, GamesRadar, GameInformer or what not. However, we do have examples like this and this where we document those miscellaneous stuff. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:23, March 25, 2020 (UTC)

Freedom Cry weapons

Hey Odeyssus!

I meant to add the images for the missing weapons from Freedom Cry (the 4 machetes and 2 of the guns) and I noticed you did the other two guns. I wanted to ask how did you manage to get such good images? I couldn't for the life of me get rid of the overlay obscuring part of them. Thanks in advance. - Soranin (talk) 19:58, May 1, 2020 (UTC)

Just use some small trick, nothing much. I can't really remember much, but what I did was to take multiple images of the weapon at different angles, meaning with the overlay at different parts of the weapon, then use photoshop to blend the images together. :P XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:35, May 2, 2020 (UTC)
That's quite amazing! Though I must admit, I'm kinda of useless when it comes to photoshop (the idiom I wanted to use doesn't really translate into english, it was a little bit lighter in tone). Anyway, thanks for the answer! Soranin (talk) 02:34, May 2, 2020 (UTC)

Weapon Descriptions

Hey! I heard you were the main editor of the Origins/Odyssey pages, I've been recording the flavour text on legendary wepons in Odyssey and added it but I see you've removed it for a future revamping sorry to step on any toes! If you want any of the descriptions in future please do let me know. :D 1QueasyCrow (talk) 15:13, May 3, 2020 (UTC)

Hey there, no worries. I'm glad you are willing to help out as well given how there's still alot there's still lacking >< So your help is definitely much appreciated. You may also wish to join in on the discussion here if you have any suggestions. :) XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:15, May 3, 2020 (UTC)
Okay neat! I read through and for now I'll just let the adults talk it out I think haha. I'll keep checking in to see and if/when a decision is reached, thanks for the link

Proto-Assassins & Proto-Templars

Hey, I just opened up a discussion on our usage of the terms "proto-Assassin" and "proto-Templar". It's a long read, but I think is very important for us to clear this up because our wiki has been rather inconsistent about it, and we could cause some serious problems with it down the line. If you had the time, could you offer your input on it? Thanks. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 00:49, May 4, 2020 (UTC)

Memory galleries

I'm working my way through Odyssey and realized my progression currently matches up with some articles needing images. So, I'm trying my hand at adding screencaps. But browsing the Wiki, I see that some memories like "The Taxman Cometh" have separate gallery pages, while others like "What's Yours Is Mine" have the gallery embedded in the page. If a memory has few images to capture, like "Losers Weepers", I understand embedding a gallery, but besides that exception, which standard do I follow? – Darman (talk) 13:00, May 8, 2020 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not particularly sure about that. But I guess gallery pages can be used if the images are too exhaustive? So maybe for the article you mentioned, I think its fine if you have a memory gallery for it. I think one can be created for this page too now that you mentioned it. Anyway, thanks for helping with the memory images :D XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:31, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
Oops! So sorry I missed this, I didn't get a notif and only saw it now. Currently making the LotFB gallery. If I understand, a gallery page is at the editor's discretion, but generally should be any time there are more than 9 images besides those embedded in the article, yes? – Darman (talk) 14:55, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

Eggs of Easter

You probably already figured it out, but that dude editing the easter eggs page is our recurring enemy batalex. We just have to wait until someone can ban him again. - Soranin (talk) 14:41, May 13, 2020 (UTC)

Merge Proposals

Odey! I know you usually don't like discussion but I just opened up a discussion on our open merge proposals. It's quite long, but if we discuss it we can close them (especially because there are some from 2014 still unsolved :o)

If you have the time, could you offer some input? Thank you a lot. - Soranin (talk) 22:26, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire edits

Thanks for guidance NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 13:37, June 4, 2020 (UTC)

I know now how to separate the croen of castile with the kingdom.

I urge you to read the section again. That part isnt reference the Greek rebellion in the 18-19th century, its in regards to the 15th and 16th century, which is part of the AC lore. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:42, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

I know. The Templars got puppets all the Byzantine Remnants, but not Greeks. Liberty is supported by the Assassins, not Templars. It is also not mentioned in-game that Greeks rebelled under the name of the Templars. I am supporting in-game info together with traditions of the Assassins. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 14:45, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

And you can change this images. I thought you didn't had any problem. Just don't block me, please! NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 14:48, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

You are missing the point. The articfle is about the Byzantine Empire itself, not Greeks in general. Please learn seperate the topic and identity. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:49, June 6, 2020 (UTC)

Please sorry, I am angry. NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 13:16, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

Please, explain me why are you writing it. And I am really sorry, please don't block me, PLS! NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 13:19, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

But why did you wrote Byzantine is not Greek? NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 13:42, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

You are definetily not a racist. I am because some of my edits were rasicistic. YOU ARE NOT. You are a good person, with a good life. And NOT A RACIST. You are a good person. I am really sorry. I will stop fanatism, ok? You are not. Just sorry, buddy. Leave me a message that you forgive me, and I will be ok. Appologise message from NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 18:37, June 7, 2020 (UTC)

Wait, you send me something, I didn't saw it. 15th-16th century=OKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK NON-STOPPING GAMER2009 (talk) 18:47, June 7, 2020 (UTC)


If by sourcing, you mean the little box under the image on the file page, I will definitely get to them really soon. Andrewh7 (talk) 07:42, June 11, 2020 (UTC) Andrewh7

Yep. You can look at the past uploaded images for understanding on how to source it too :) XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:43, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

LGBT individuals

Is there a reason you reverted my edits on the Kosta, Lykinos, Timotheos, Roxana and etc. pages? There was literally nothing wrong with them. They're LGBT and the same category is on other romanceable characters of Kassandra/Alexios. Andrewh7 (talk) 02:53, June 12, 2020 (UTC) Andrewh7

I did mention the reason on the first edit that I undoed, which is in regards to Kassandra being the canonical protagonist. In this sense, we don't consider Alexios in that aspect here, so thus, a relationship between Kassandra and the male NPCs in the game would heterosexual. If you see that way, I did not remove the LGBT category from Roxana's page. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:55, June 12, 2020 (UTC)
Odeyssus has a point. Because this wiki is from an in-universe perspective and Kassandra is canon, while Alexios is not, those individuals cannot be considered as LGBT, much as it pains me to say so. They could only be considered LGBT if, in a Kassandra playthrough, there was evidence of them being so. - Soranin (talk) 03:59, June 12, 2020 (UTC)
Odey's insight is perfectly correct. Our wiki is very particular about canon, and canonically, the protagonist of Odyssey is actually Kassandra, not Alexios. Normally, alternative timelines and pathways can still indicate underlying canonical traits that otherwise would have been hidden. For example, though George Washington never became a king, the alternative future we witnessed in Tyranny of King Washington shows that canonically, he was susceptible to that temptation even though he was ultimately able to reject it—the potential for that dark outcome is canonical, though that outcome is not. In the same way, potential homosexual relations, even if we cannot know if they canonically occur, indicates that the character in question is either bisexual or homosexual. Otherwise, that potential would not have been possible at all. This is why Roxana can be determined to be sexually attracted to women even if we choose not to have Kassandra romance her.
In an odd twist, the same cannot be said for romance-able male characters in Odyssey because unlike in many RPGs where the protagonist's gender is customizable (e.g. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic or Mass Effect) the concept behind Odyssey is that we are reliving the memories of the Eagle Bearer, who Ubisoft has told us is canonically female. Playing as the non-canonical sex in games like KotOR and KotOR II can be considered to have been a "what-if" playthrough regarding how the party members would interact with the main protagonists if they were the other sex. This cannot apply to Odyssey because the apparent premise is that we are seeing the Eagle Bearer's memories through the Animus, and if we were to play as Alexios instead, this is only Alexios' avatar being imposed onto what is actually Kassandra's life, with apparent Animus adjustments made to accommodate the illusion of walking in Alexios' shoes rather than Kassandra's. While I don't think this sort of Animus distortion in the memories makes much sense, that's the explanation we're given by Ubisoft. What this means is that canonically, at no point are we truly playing as Alexios. If a male character is romance-able as a male, it cannot be determined that that male character actually has a sexual preference for males because this may very well have just been a distortion of reality by the Animus rather than an accurate reflection of these characters in their lives. On a side-note, by the same logic, we cannot be sure that Roxana has any sexual attraction to males (and therefore bisexual), but this would be moot in regards to her inclusion in the category since we know her to at least be homosexual. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 19:18, June 12, 2020 (UTC)
Hello, I think the conversation already occurred before, but personally I think we need to rethink the LGBT category, as for me this concept is too contemporary, and have a political aspect. As an example, Leonardo was gay but I don't think he militated for the rights of gays in the Italian Renaissance. Another example, the Jacob-Roth relationship. I know Yohalem said Jacob was canonically bi, but he also said that Evie isn't the ancestor of Monima Das without further explanations, and many times the canon lore change in the series (the French comics). And for Roth, if kissed once a man make him officially LGBT, what about the Kiss of peace practice. However, I think we can keep a transgender category, (for Eon, Ned Wynert, Eric Cooper and others), as the concept could be applied without being anachronic. We can debate on the matter.Francesco75 (talk) 07:03, June 12, 2020 (UTC)

Closeup images

Do you think you could create closeup images of certain characters that lack them? Is there a rule about playable characters not getting a closeup image? There are quite a number of characters who lack a closeup image and some even lack an image altogether such as Myrrine, Nikolaos, Stentor, Lykinos, Timotheos, Sofia Sartor, and etc. that could probably really use them. Andrewh7 (talk) 23:08, June 16, 2020 (UTC) Andrewh7

Of course, it will be great if we can get full body renders for the characters, but that's not a priority. In the past, those images are usually provided through Database or Promotional Art, but there's only a few of them. Otherwise, any decent portrait images are enough to suffice. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:42, June 18, 2020 (UTC)


Some images, like flags can be used. We cannot use only from AC media. Spain and Russia don't have images. GodGamer GodConsole 16:16, June 17, 2020 (UTC)

East India Company

I wrote that knowing what will happen in the future. Leave me a talkpage message GodGamer GodConsole 18:52, June 20, 2020 (UTC)

Byzantine Armed Forces

Ok, I stop just that the Byzantines didn't have only a land force. Their navy also existed. Just Armed Forces are not ground forces at all. GodGamer GodConsole 14:54, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

They do, but they dont specifically appear in the game. Also, I'm basing it based on the Wikipedia article. If they name it as such, then it is as such. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:55, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

Again mess with Wikipedia. Give me the link. GodGamer GodConsole 15:00, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

I will not rename it, ok? I saw the link. GodGamer GodConsole 15:02, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

There is no Wikipedia article for the Byzantine Armed Forces in general. The Wikipedia article that the Byzantine army article is linked to is called "Byzantine army", referring to the land forces, not inclusive of the navy. You really need to stop with your disruptive edits. I know you are trying to be helpful, but you aren't by going around adding unnecessary edits, not to mention you not reading our policies and MoS. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:05, June 24, 2020 (UTC)

Templars=good guys?

How the Templars try to save humanity? We saw what they have done. Alleged with Hitler, Stalin and other tyrants and conquerors and these are the good guys? Templars are scums and villains. Or I didn't read well the article. But the phrase 'The Templars try to save humanity from the controlling free will ' means that Templars are the good guys. Explain on my talk. And also send the apologise message to know that you are currently ok, after I called you something that you're not. Discuss everything on my talk. GodGamer GodConsole 14:37, July 1, 2020 (UTC)

Argentine coup?

I was reading the Rifts page and I'm wondering if it gives enough info to warrant a page for the 1976 Argentine coup d'état. I know Sima deleted it in 2017 citing "Speculation", but I think there's enough info for a start just from Rift #5, Puzzles 2 and 3. Puzzle 2 implicates the Templars in Cuba and Iran's coups, and I'm sure there's a reason for naming Argentina beyond just listing another Cold War coup, especially since Puzzle 3 has a letter from Kissinger offer support to the Argentine junta if they crushed resistance. Also, the other coup pages are relatively short, so it's not like it'd have to be big on details. There'd just be more WP links than AC Wiki ones. Or was Sima right and there's not even enough implied proof? – Darman (talk) 05:55, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

I think it should be fine, as long as the citations are in place and there's enough context in the article. XOdeyssusx (talk) 06:14, July 3, 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Just wanted to check. I'll start a draft page. – Darman (talk) 14:00, July 3, 2020 (UTC)

Skills vs Abilities

Idk if you watched the leaked ACV footage, but I think we might need to rename all the skill tree pages. Towards the end of the test footage, the player visits the user interface menu and allocates skill points to a tree under the Skills heading. However, it's not like the Abilities skill trees in ACO or ACOD, in that it boosts stats and unlocks passive fighting moves (eg. shoot arrows faster, increase damage) and looks more like skill webs in Skyrim or The Witcher, instead of granting powers like Sparta Kick. Since there's now what looks to be a distinction between Skills and Abilities, should we change the page titles? – Darman (talk) 14:05, July 7, 2020 (UTC)

Well, given it's still pre-release and still a work in progress, things may all change. I suggest leaving it as it is until the official release where we can get a full look at those. There's no rush anyway :P XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:11, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
Haha, quite right. There's still ~6 months for changes. I'd just think that completely restructuring both trees would be a waste after all the art and coding to build them. – Darman (talk) 14:55, July 7, 2020 (UTC)
Yes no doubt, which is why it's better to leave it as it is, imo. Otherwise, as we keep making changes along the way during gameplay demos is going to be pretty exhausive. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:57, July 7, 2020 (UTC)


Thanks for uploading it! I'm not good at Photoshop(?) or I'd have tried myself. How'd you do it? As far as I know, Jasca Ducato made the other icons. I guess he shared the template? – Darman (talk) 12:25, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

No, he didn't share it, so I had to try and use various tools in Photoshop to make it look as close as possible. XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:34, July 8, 2020 (UTC)
Ah, OK. Well, looks like a good match to me! Good job! – Darman (talk) 13:00, July 8, 2020 (UTC)

Valhalla Characters

Where was it said that these characters are new characters in Valhalla and that Eivor and other characters are in the Raven Clan? There are no sources or anything to confirm them. By the way, I watched videos of our character romancing a character named Broder. Andrewh7 (talk) 20:00, July 15, 2020 (UTC) Andrewh7

In footage of the flyting battle, the citizen refers to Eivor as "of the Raven clan". Eivor is definitely a Raven clan member, idk about the rest of their crew though. V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 01:21, July 16, 2020 (UTC)
Found these characters through gameplay demos by not just Ubisoft themselves. Will do my best to source them where they come from, otherwise, I will leave a Cite tag. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:39, July 16, 2020 (UTC)

Valhalla redirect

Just a quick note: I think there's something... wrong? with the redirect titled "Valhalla". It still exists as a separate page from AC: Valhalla, despite having the same code as AC: Kingdoms, #REDIRECT ''[[Assassin's Creed: Valhalla]]''. Yet one looks like " AC: Valhalla" and the other does not. I'd try moving it, but you already did that this week. Do you know why the formatting is off? – Darman (talk) 15:20, July 18, 2020 (UTC)

Probably due to the fact that the page was originally meant for the Norse God, so I tried to seperate to have one direct to AC Valhalla. Looks like the only way to fix it is to delete the page and create it again. Need to approach Sol or DarkFeather for this. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:32, July 18, 2020 (UTC)

Eivor's Name

Hey I think Eivor's Norse translation is wrong. It's currently translated in the long-branch younger futhark dialect but that dialect is specific to Denmark. Eivor is from Norway so their name would have been spelt using the short-twig dialect. (I'm using unicode, so ᚢ doesn't exactly match up to its shape.)

ᛆ ᛁ ᚢ ᛆ ᚱ

Also, if Eivor has more of an 'o' sound, then the runes used would either be ᚢ or ᛆᚢ, not ᛆ.

ᛆ ᛁ ᚢ ᚢ ᚱ
ᛆ ᛁ ᚢ ᛆᚢ ᚱ

If a developer or someone of a similar position gave the current translation, then they are correct, but I thought I'd share my two cents.

--Hello83433 (talk) 05:43, August 12, 2020 (UTC)

Badge hunting, maybe?

I don't know if I'm being cynical in not assuming good faith, but I think a user's edits are suspicious, at least. I've been quietly tracking User:DSegno92 since I first saw them edit an unexpected Italian heading on their page some months back, and I've noticed that ~75% of their +200 edits are daily tweaks to their own page. I don't want to call it outright badge hunting, as I know some users may only have enough time for a single edit a day due to IRL, but looking at their page history shows that these edits are often no more than adding a single linked bullet point or linking an earlier text bullet, and that they roughly (if not exactly?) coincide when counted with earning badges for 5, 14, 30, 60, 100, and 200 days of consecutive edits. Oddly, it's all in Italian on an English site, so maybe English is not their forte, but they can do what they will with their own page. Maybe I'm wrong raising this accusation, but I thought it important to notify Staff. – Darman (talk) 13:45, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: Other wikis they've contributed to also follow this pattern. Through this, they seem to have earned "1yr of edits" badge at Disney and Arkham, but have been called out three times at RDR2 and once at Arkham, when these edits were 92% of a 50-day streak in Dec 2019. – Darman (talk) 14:10, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

Definitely seems like badge hunting. I will bring this up with the other moderators including the admins Sol Pacificus and DarkFeather, and see how it goes. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:25, September 6, 2020 (UTC)
Great, thanks for looking into it. Is there a way to notify Fandom of this, since User:DSegno92 clearly has a wide range of activity across the host domain? I know some users are blocked from only this site, but others like [User:115 Jessey] are "disabled globally". – Darman (talk) 01:10, September 7, 2020 (UTC)
I'm not too sure about that myself. Anyway, I have spoke to Sol, DarkFeather and Lacrosse about it and frankly speaking, we share the same consensus. I'm not sure if we can really issue a warning since hes only making edits on his own personal profile page. If he does that on the main pages or make another sorts of vandalism, then yes, we can. The badgehunting issue is more of a matter that the FANDOM themselves should look into instead of us. XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:08, September 8, 2020 (UTC)
They don't seem to have done any spam or vandalism. What few other edits they have are mostly minor grammar changes to main pages. I think I'll contact Fandom to see if they can do anything, as I feel DSegno92's actions across the Fandom domain slight the hard work of users honestly earning badges, but they may not respond. – Darman (talk) 00:05, September 10, 2020 (UTC)
So, Fandom actually replied to my inquiry. In brief, each Fandom community "[has] the right to set their own rules (as long as they are not against the Terms of Use). For example, Wookiepedia has a specific rule about user pages [...] but that's just one example, other communities may establish other sanctions after warning." It's up to each site's admins on whether/how to act on badge spams. I still think something should be done since DSegno92 has clearly ignored warnings elsewhere, but I will abide by Staff decision. – Darman (talk) 15:30, September 12, 2020 (UTC)

Howell Davis

Frontierchris (talk) 22:14, October 1, 2020 (UTC)XOdeyssusx,

According to Howell Davis was a member of the Flying Gang.Frontierchris (talk) 22:14, October 1, 2020 (UTC)

Frontierchris (talk) 22:50, October 1, 2020 (UTC)Here's the site: (talk) 22:50, October 1, 2020 (UTC)

Extent of real-world info in articles

Odeyyyyy, you've probably already seen this thread being shared on Discord, but in case you've missed it, here you go: "Extent of real-world information in articles". I know you said you don't like being involved in discussions as much, but I would highly encourage you to put yourself more out there with these topics because certainly our wiki can benefit of having a more diverse range of voices on these matters, and this is also a significant issue for the wiki that has lain unresolved for years. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 22:40, October 9, 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I will take a look, but don't blame me if my brain cells deteriorate trying to understand it :( XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:49, October 10, 2020 (UTC)

Songs in ACOD and ACV?

I asked this in July on the "Sea shanties" talk page, but no one responded, so I thought I'd try again.

Would the songs in Odyssey and Valhalla count as shanties? True, Kassandra doesn't collect music, but the words are all lines in poems by Classical authors that would be sung and which most everyone knew. Eivor does chase pages, though, and these are skaldic poems, which reciters would have to learn and are thought to have musical accompaniment.

Since writing it, I've found lyrics for four songs in ACV, but as prelim footage hasn't shown a database file like with AC4/RG, I'm unsure whether to add them. – Darman (talk) 02:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thought I'd bump this in case you haven't seen it. – Darman (talk) 15:35, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Neema grave

Are you sure that this is the image of Neema grave ? I thought her grave is near the house (viewpoint) in Dyme. ACOD_Neema_memorial.jpg. unsigned comment by Locarnos (talk · contr)

More Images

Hey XOdeyssusx, it's been a while, anyway do you think maybe you can add more images of Kassandra fighting certain Cultists, mercenaries, and Ancients members. You see I couldn't help noticing that there are still some articles that still don't have images of such.Frontierchris (talk) 19:44, August 24, 2021 (UTC)