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Alexios's birth

Does the game actually date that scene? The novel dates it as the winter of 451 BCE. It’s one of the few dates we actually are explicitly told in the novel.

No, it doesn't, not that scene. But the whole main Naxos-storyline (despite taking place after the Plague of Athens) is explicitly given as 17 years after that incident. If Mt. Taygetos Fall Party happened in 451 BCE, Kassandra would meet Myrrine again in 434 BCE. Sadelyrate (siniath) 17:44, March 13, 2019 (UTC)
JFC do you have the exact quote for that? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 07:58, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
In-game description of A Mother's Prayers: "After searching through all of the Greek world, Kassandra finally found her mother's trail. Although seventeen years had passed, the time had come to reunite with her in Naxos."
Kassandra parted ways with Myrrine in the Mt.Taygetos Fall Party -> 17 years later, reunited. In addition, surrounding main story events of the 430 BCE Plague of Athens and 428 BCE Olympics force said reunion to be between them.Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:41, March 14, 2019 (UTC)


Hello Sal how are you? Daryurian (The Mighty Turian) 06:56, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Just peachy, thanks for asking. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:42, March 14, 2019 (UTC)


What happened to those images you added to the articles of two of the mercenaries who were hired by the Order of Hunters? Frontierchris (talk) 21:31, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Sadel, Kassandra dealt with the Order of Hunters in 422 BCE, therefore Agis of the North, Gaia the Fist, Theos the Stargazer, and Exadios the Backbreaker were killed that same year. Frontierchris (talk) 21:57, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

As stated already in the articles themselves, images are invalid since the characters are randomly generated, save for their names and locations. Their year of death is also, as far as we can currently tell, 429 BCE, not 422 BCE. Sadelyrate (siniath) 21:58, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

But they were employed by the Order of Hunters, and like I said, Kassandra didn't face them until 422 BCE. Frontierchris (talk) 22:01, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Proof of this date? Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:06, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Do you have proof that she faced the Order of Hunters in 429 BCE? Frontierchris (talk) 22:08, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

The whole DLC-questline begins with receiving the summons right after the main Naxos-storyline, in 429 BCE. I ask again: your proof for 422 BCE? Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:10, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Oh my mistake, what about the Order of the Storm? Frontierchris (talk) 22:13, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

What about them? Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:17, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Did Kassandra face them in that same year? Frontierchris (talk) 22:18, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Tisandros and Polemion are not ranbomized, Thaletas said those were their names. --Frontierchris (talk) 15:35, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

Tisandros and Polemion are not ranbomized, Thaletas said those were their names. Don’t you get all the information before you accept the quest? --Frontierchris (talk) 15:36, March 17, 2019 (UTC)


What do you mean “incorrect term?” --Frontierchris (talk) 23:01, March 18, 2019 (UTC)

'Pagan' does not mean 'people who believe in multiple gods'. It is also biased term, and as such, has no place in this wiki. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:09, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

What is the correct term for 'people who believe in multiple gods'? Frontierchris (talk) 17:51, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

Simple: polytheists. From Greek polytheos meaning 'of many gods', from polys ('many') + theos ('god'). Trick here is that not every ancient Greek or person who lived in Egypt was polytheist, just like not every person who lives in Italy is Catholic. Before you make such suggestion, make sure you can back your claim. Sadelyrate (siniath) 18:23, March 19, 2019 (UTC)


Sadelyrate, I have been doing some extra digging and have managed to identify the cause of the DISPLAYTITLE bug that has been plaguing certain users (including yourself) of late. The cause is a compatibility issue between DISPLAYTITLE and Fandom's "Classic rich text editor." I am liaising with Fandom Staff on a permanent fix, but in the meantime a workaround would be for you to change your Prefered editor to either Source mode or VisualEditor. You can do this by following this link ot your Preferences and making the change there. Thanks. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:50, April 5, 2019 (UTC)

Was wondering about that. Thanks for clearing that up! Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:55, April 5, 2019 (UTC)

Removed citations to the Odyssey website & commas

Hey Sadel, two matters have come to my attention. The first is that I've only recently noticed that when Assassin's Creed: Odyssey was released, you seemed to have changed all citations I made to Ubisoft's official website on the game to the game itself. This is actually incorrect because many of the information that referenced the site is not provided in the game itself and is exclusive to the website. While the website will inevitably be shutdown once their marketing period for the game is over, this does not change the fact that it would be false to cite many of these lines I have written to the game itself.

The other is that I heard that you continue to add commas where they are not supposed to be and/or remove commas where they are supposed to present. I haven't had the time to look through your edit history to verify if this is true or not, but I had asked before if you needed help understanding proper grammatical usage of commas because I understand that that can be confusing, and it's clear that you are struggling with it. :-/ Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 12:24, April 10, 2019 (UTC)

I've removed citations to the site only when the same information is present in the game itself. With commas I've followed the guidelines you laid out earlier, and the example you set out with edits.
ETA: I see you've changed your mind about whether there should be a comma or not after a phrase beginning with "during". Sadelyrate (siniath) 12:32, April 10, 2019 (UTC)
I have not changed my mind. My previous correction involved the cases where you placed commas before "during" when such a clause came at the end of the sentence. This is called a subordinating clause. However, when the subordinating clause comes at the beginning of the sentence, there has to be a comma after the clause. This is the rule. Subordinating clauses are not preceded by commas if they come at the end of the sentence, but they are followed by commas if they come at the beginning of the sentence.
As for the citations, the few examples I encountered were better cited to the site than the game since it was expressly taken from there where such information was given in precise terms, not from the game where the information is only implied or generalized at best. I need to search for the specific examples again. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 13:00, April 10, 2019 (UTC)
And yet, there were numerous edits made by you specifically to remove the commas following, say, "During the Peloponnesian War". My apologies for the possible fudging of citations; that was certainly not my intention. Sadelyrate (siniath) 13:05, April 10, 2019 (UTC)
You would have to provide some hard proof on that because I am very skeptical I would ever suggest that commas have to be removed after that phrase.
Found the main example: Megaris. You're actually right that the area being a strategic narrow corridor highly contested by the Spartans and Athenians is well supported enough by the game itself since the game did expressly describe it as such. However, the line about its economy being heavily reliant on pig farming and pottery is more implied by the game from the presence of pigs and the characters' comments about it being a city of pigs, and even then, I don't recall the game referring to pottery as a staple of its economy. In any case, I would need to double-check all the other articles. If it is true that you were careful with it, then I appreciate it. If it turns out you were a bit careless, then I still appreciate the effort. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 13:09, April 10, 2019 (UTC)
I found one example in regards to the comma correction: the article Lamia. Here when I left an edit summary explaining why I removed a comma, I was referring to "village, and explored". This was during the period where I was correcting most of your punctuation, and I specifically kept the comma after "During the Peloponnesian War" as is grammatically proper. I don't mean to hack away at you, it's just that I want to make sure we're on the same page about this. I understand that honest mistakes happen, and you were only trying to follow my instructions, and there seemed to have been some miscommunication about it. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 13:18, April 10, 2019 (UTC)

RE:Italicization apostrophes

The standard is always, without exception, that when italicizing a linked word, the apostrophes go on the outside, around the whole thing unless one is italicizing individual parts of the linked term. Even if you are changing the way the link appears through piping, the apostrophes go on the outside of the link. For example:

All those instances of [[Courtesan|''hetaera'']] are in error. That 'mercenary' and 'courtesan' should not be italicized is irrelevant because in the final product, they don't appear in the text; essentially, those words aren't even being used in the actual writing, only the coding. Of course, whether you place the apostrophes inside the brackets or outside doesn't affect the outcome—either way the word is italicized. The only reason why putting the apostrophes on the outside matter is because this is the standard convention across all wikis that I know of, at least the biggest ones, and Wikipedia itself. So it's just a matter of consistency and clean formatting for the editors in the editing screen. It's for the same reason that we don't normally use <i></i> unless we have to.

I'm not sure if you missed my reply to you on my talk page, but please begin correcting all cases of misplacement of the apostrophes when you encounter them. You don't have to go out of your way to hunt them down; I won't want you to go through so much trouble, but you should be correcting them when you do come across them, not leaving them. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 02:11, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Seen, read, will attempt to correct in the future. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:22, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Referring to Kassandra as a Spartan

You know what I've just realized after reviewing this dialogue? I wonder if it's actually not ideal for us to always refer to Kassandra as a Spartan mercenary. She corrects Drucilla that she is Kephallonian not Spartan, and although it's not incorrect to call Kassandra Spartan when that demonym refers to her origin, it may invite confusion that her allegiances is still to Sparta during the Peloponnesian War. In other words, the meaning of calling Kassandra Spartan is ambiguous, and it might be a bit odd whenever talking about her aiding the Athenians if there are any articles describing her as doing such. From what I've read on reddit, she mostly helps the Spartans in the war, but her loyalties are still fluid. What do you think? I will ask the others for their opinion as well. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 14:57, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Counterpoint to this are the times she specifically introduces herself as "Kassandra of Sparta." Like when meeting Hippokrates for the first time. There's at least one more attested introduction like that, but don't remember exactly when/where, nor have the time/patience to scour the dialogues looking for (more of) these instances. Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:01, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
Also there are comments along the lines of "You never stop being Sparta"/"You may leave Sparta, Sparta won't leave you"/etc. (Paraphrasing those, fyi). Myrrine at least mentions this, that both she and Kassandra are still Spartan, despite all that's happened, when they discus the Cult in Naxos (right before Paros' blockade), and I think Thaletas and/or Brasidas does too. Tempted to say there are others making a statement along those lines. Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:05, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Spelling standard

We don't actually really have a spelling standard around here. Although I'm aware that years back, the staff seemed to have favoured American English spelling over British English spelling, because Assassin's Creed sources usually (but not always) employ Canadian English spelling and editors subconsciously absorbed or followed by the spelling used by Ubisoft, I have found that by and far the wiki's articles tend to float around Canadian English, neither American nor British. Moreover, since other wikis tend to choose the spelling standard based on the national origin of their franchise (i.e. American English for Star Wars, British English for Harry Potter), I recommended that we standardize to Canadian English. We did not reach a consensus on this, however, because the main opponent of this believed that it would entail massive, exasperating changes across the entire wiki, not realizing that many of our articles are already written in Canadian English incidentally (or rather a mixture of American-Canadian English >.< depending on the word...), and that it might actually take more work to convert every article to American English.

The end result is that we really don't have a spelling standard on this wiki. Depending on who you ask, they might say that it's American English, but perhaps because they aren't aware of the subtle differences between American and Canadian English, sometimes they end up writing Canadian English anyways. Our Manual of Style actually currently states that we defer to the spelling standard used in Assassin's Creed sources, which is Canadian English by default, followed by American when in doubt.

The thing is that when something isn't standardized, then it becomes a bit rude to correct an article solely to change it to one's personal preferred standard, especially if it has just been edited by the other person. I understand that you mistook the spelling standard here to be firmly established as American.

However, at the same time, when it is clear that a certain editing pattern is likely intentional, it is always the obligation of a user undoing that change, especially if their edit is nothing but a revert of it, to explain why they are reverting it in the edit summary. If you thought that it was clearly in the wrong because you believed the spelling standard here is American, then honestly, it would have made sense to at the very least write "isn't the spelling standard American?" or "the spelling standard is American". This is why I also asked if there was a specific reason why you chose to use girl instead of courtesan as I changed it since I thought that choice peculiar enough that there was probably a conscious thought process behind it, and it would have been impolite of me to assume otherwise. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:27, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Guilty as charged, re: Canadian English. Not familiar with it all that much. So far I've seen two of your edits adding in the 'u': not enough to be considered 'clearly intentional editing pattern', imo. To avoid this in the future, I suggest adding in a comment about Canadian English in the MoS. Sadelyrate (siniath) 21:36, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Armor set photos

I saw you added photos for some of the armor sets but it looks like you only used the variants in the transmog feature. Many of those have a third variant not included with those. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:35, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Third variant, which is not the legendary type? Or when the same model is used as quest rewards? Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:29, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
A third variant separate from the legendary version or unique quest reward version. Like there are three distinct variants of the Hunters chest, not including the Artemis one, but only two appear in the transmog feature.Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:45, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
Ah, yes. True, that. Thought I remembered seeing a 'third option', but since it didn't show in the transmog, thought I imagined it or something. Thanks for vouching for my memory. :D Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:48, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah the transmog seems hastily implemented. The Hunter is easiest to notice because of the "tattoos". I saw you working on this and as I'm bad with photo editing and only have an ipad I use for editing the wiki I thought I'd give you heads up if you want to keep a eye for those other variants. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:59, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
It's appreciated, and will do. :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 09:04, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Pheraia as epithet

I specifically left off the other reasons because I feel the one about the mother is the most likely behind the name for the location as Pheraia seems to be treated as a person in the placename Pheraia's Retreat. If I could find out more about her I'd have led with her as an individual rather than as an epithet of Hekate. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:10, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Good point. I blame lack of caffeine for not realizing that. Sadelyrate (siniath) 10:06, April 27, 2019 (UTC)
This location I’m not 100% certain on the namesake so I’m having trouble wording the trivia point. I believe it to be Pheraia as Hekate's mother but there is so little info on her. It’s not like with Sarpedon where there are multiple people with that name but I know without a shadow of a doubt which is the namesake for Sarpedon's Refuge. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 10:56, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Formatting of equipment pages

Hello Sadel, I have written a guide summarizing some common issues I am encountering with our equipment pages. Please have a look at it when you have the time! Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:29, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

I noticed your change on Needle, but that's the wrong table. Sol wants us to use the table like on Agamemnon's Helmet. I've changed Needle to the correct one. Kennyannydenny (talk) 10:09, April 30, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, Kenny. I noticed Sol's comment, and somehow still ended up using the wrong one. Brains: can't live without 'em, can't live with 'em. :p Sadelyrate (siniath) 10:12, April 30, 2019 (UTC)
Haha I know right ;) Thanks for helping fix things! Kennyannydenny (talk) 12:48, April 30, 2019 (UTC)

RE:Kassandra as Spartan

Can you explain why you are asking? Wasn't I the one asking you about whether or not we should be identifying her as a Spartan before? I brought up issues like ambiguity in which it could refer either to her origin or her affiliation. Odeyssus told me that it's better to avoid it when it's not necessary for context, I think. I said before that we need to find clearer examples of whether or not she openly identifies herself as Spartan since she expressly rejected it at the beginning of the game. It does seem like you have brought some examples. In any case, I should point out that yes, we do most often describe Ezio Auditore as Italian when first mentioning him in an article, but there's no hard and fast rule that this is always an absolute necessity. The guideline is just that context should be given upon mentioning someone for the first time as to who that individual is. Normally, this context involves the individual's background. However, I am thinking that in some cases, if describing Kassandra as Spartan will cause confusion, such as if the context is in her fighting for Athens in battle or against Spartans, then it might be better to avoid it. It's at our discretion. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 09:03, May 5, 2019 (UTC)

I think you might be confusing not describing Kassandra as a Spartan with each first mention to mean we are not considering her to be Spartan. That is not the case at all. Our writing guideline is that when a character is first mentioned, context should be povided as to who that is so that it's not just a floating name. (This is a point of frustration for me with a lot of school texts). However, what that context is depends on the situation you're writing about. Normally, the most concise way to add a little context to an individual is with an appositive or qualifier giving their ethnic/national origin and their main profession. This is why it is so common to see the "Italian Assassin Ezio Auditore da Firenze", but there's no absolute rule that this has to be the format to give context to the individual, and certainly, not mentioning an individual's ethnic/national origin should never be taken as a statement that they aren't actually affiliated with the heritage they're popularly associated with. That there are cases where Kassandra is introduced simply as "misthios Kassandra" rather than "Spartan misthios Kassandra" doesn't mean we don't identify her as Spartan. It's up to editors' discretion what context they give to the individual. If they think it's sufficient to only give the profession, that is fine. It's perfectly valid to only write "Assassin Ezio Auditore da Firenze" or change it up to "Mentor Ezio Auditore da Firenze" or "Florentine Assassin Ezio Auditore da Firenze" instead. In fact, in cases where one is describing his time in Constantinople, it would arguably be better to write "Mentor" than "Italian Assassin" since it's more relevant, but it still won't be wrong to use the latter. The point is that the guideline is to give context, but editors have discretion what sort of context that is. Perhaps in a particular scenario, for example, we find that it can be more confusing for the reader to qualify Kassandra as a Spartan (such as if she's fighting in a battle against Spartans for Athens). In this case, we might decide that it's better writing to just call her "misthios Kassandra" without reference to her national/ethnic origin. In any case, not referring to her Spartan in a sentence isn't a statement that she isn't Spartan. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 19:36, May 5, 2019 (UTC)

The Kronos

Just to let you know, the article Melanthos' ship the Kronos still needs an image.

How to write Odyssey articles

Hello Sadel, I would really love to hear your thoughts on the subject of how we should be writing Odyssey articles in lieu of the ambiguity of which choices made by the player are the canonical ones. I know it is a long thread, but it is a very important matter, so here it is. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 05:05, May 16, 2019 (UTC)

Conduct in Appearances discussion

We should not leave this behind without being sure that we understood one another fully on this matter. Can you please explain to me why, in the discussion at Sun, your replies repeatedly ignored my explanations to you entirely, not even logically following them, as though you hadn't even read them? As well, your message at the MoS's talk page similarly demonstrates this since you asked about how it would contradict our use of mentions even though, foreseeing this, I had already taken the initiative to explain this in my initial response to you. Did you misread my replies to you? Was there something in my replies that you found confusing? Because repeatedly insisting like I was saying that we cannot be certain that the Sun "appears"present every time I clarify that appears does not mean to just be there was very perplexing. This includes, but is not limited to, "So in Altaïr's Chronicles he's jumping around in a landscape lit up by a giant torch or maybe the glowing eye of a dragon, for all we know. Got it." where this was precisely what I explained was not what I was implying just before) Because of this, I would like to make sure that, should you use the section correctly going forward, you are doing this not begrudgingly, but because you actually understand. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:33, May 17, 2019 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed Randomized Mercenary Wiki

Sadel, as you may know there's a recently established wikipedia for the mercenaries from ACOD.  I've been contributing to this wiki but I could use some help concerning images.  I have some images in mind for certain mercenaries but they need to be edited or whatever the word is.  Do you think you can do that for me? Frontierchris (talk) 17:09, May 27, 2019 (UTC)

Can't promise that, but I can try, at some point. Currently my hands are quite full, however. Sadelyrate (siniath) 12:01, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

Do you want me to send you the images?  Oh and what's keeping you busy, since you said your hands are full. Frontierchris (talk) 12:56, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

This wiki and RL. That's more than enough said on a public site to a stranger. Sadelyrate (siniath) 14:50, May 28, 2019 (UTC)

Laches the Eternal

Sadel could you maybe add an image to the article I made for the weekly mercenary Laches the Eternal before the week is over because too many of weekly mercenaries have already been missed. Frontierchris (talk) 16:25, May 30, 2019 (UTC)

I'll see if I have a shot of him and some others. Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:32, May 30, 2019 (UTC)

Any luck in finding any images? Frontierchris (talk) 13:14, May 31, 2019 (UTC)

Do you have any shots, that is closeup ones taken from the Mercenary Tier List? Frontierchris (talk) 13:58, May 31, 2019 (UTC)

I just made an article on Iaeira the Overcomer and it needs images, and again do you have any closeup images from the Mercenary Tiers. Frontierchris (talk) 00:14, June 12, 2019 (UTC)


Sadel, since you've started a discussion on the topic of river names here it is inappropriate to revert the page moves at this time. You should wait until a response is given and an agreement made before making any changes. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:59, May 31, 2019 (UTC)

Just in case you miss my response on Jasca's talk page:

"So I felt a bit awkward about explaining this hence why I did not do so right away, but actually, according to our naming convention, canonical names always take precedence over real-life names. So in this case, Sadel is actually correct. This is itself codified in the manual of style, and we had reviewed it before together alongside a few other contributors to the wiki to reinforce that this was our consensus. As established around the release of Odyssey by convention regarding Ubisoft's addition of an extra ⟨s⟩ in possessives already ending in ⟨s⟩, is to deviate from the source's rendition of the name only in cases of correcting grammar or bringing it in line with our formatting styles. I was rather confused why you may be recalling it differently, Jasca, and I think it may perhaps be owing to this recent exception we've somewhat established.

Whether or not that exception applies also depends on whether the river's name in the Ubisoft source is a grammatical (or tautological) error or not. For instance, I believe "Nile River" would be incorrect since apparently, nile means 'river' although Ubisoft doesn't make this mistake anyways, but if they did, I would argue that we would correct it to "Nile" per the real-life name. To my knowledge, "Alpheios River" is not grammatically incorrect, and so if this is the canonical name given in the source, this is the name we would use." Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 08:05, June 2, 2019 (UTC)


I thought the hall was about the Maniae (Maniai in Greek), and not the goddess Mania. Are you sure adding that category is correct? Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:43, June 6, 2019 (UTC)

Oh, yes, sorry. Had them completely confused there. Drat this heat. Thanks for pointing this out. -> fixing. Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:46, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
No probs :) Yeah it's quite warm here too (for normal standards here, Africa or Australia warm though). Well here in The Netherlands we mostly adore these warms days, as the weather is pretty crappy almost all year round :D Anyhow, thanks for fixing it! Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:51, June 6, 2019 (UTC)

Input required

So, I was afraid this was going to happen. I think I made a terrible mistake. I was wrapping up the last few locations on the map until i came across a fortress (which looked pretty big on the map) in the northwest of the Chasm of Torment, called... Tartaros. Soooooo, maybe the whole area is Hades and Tartaros is only the dungeon/fort in the map. That means the categories I made are incorrect (as they should be Locations in Hades, instead of Locations in Tartaros) and most intro sentences will need rewriting on pages related to the dlc :/ Ungh, I triple checked before I started working on the pages here but appartantly, Tartaros is just a part of the whole map. What do you think is best? Kennyannydenny (talk) 17:56, June 6, 2019 (UTC)

I really, really, really hoped that that wouldn't be the case, but dreaded the possibility. Oh, drat. My suggestion, atm? Take a deep breath, and wait a while. Maybe open a discussion about it in the talk pages of the Hades/Tartaros-articles? I wouldn't go rushing in to 'fix' everything without further proof that Tartaros is just the fortress, not the whole area, though. Sadelyrate (siniath) 19:31, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip, will do that! I'll refrain from 'fixing' things before there was a proper discussion/I had more input from others. Kennyannydenny (talk) 19:40, June 6, 2019 (UTC)
FYI, started the discussion here: Talk:Tartaros. Kennyannydenny (talk) 19:49, June 6, 2019 (UTC)

Iaeira the Overcomer

Do you have any screenshots of Iaeira the Overcomer? Frontierchris (talk) 18:36, June 19, 2019 (UTC)

Sal, do you also have any screenshots of Narkissos the Babbler and Nanno the Abakos? Frontierchris (talk) 14:35, July 12, 2019 (UTC)

Reviewing the manual of style

Sadel, I noticed some of your edits in the past incorrectly adding spaces on both sides of an em dash (—). When using an em dash, there should not be any spaces on either side; when using the shorter en dash (–), there should. This is explained in the manual of style and is also standardized in grammar.

Secondly, I noticed a while back at Talk:Hades (realm) that you missed my correction to Jasca's explanation to you about naming policy. You directly cited his correction to you when, in fact, you were originally in the right regarding the fact that in-universe canonical names take precedence over real-life names. I am leaving a message here directly reminding you of this in case you have missed this again.

At this point, I would strongly advise that you review the entire manual of style. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:00, August 15, 2019 (UTC)

Sadel, the usage of slashes in citations for flavour texts is not correct or established formatting which has been agreed upon by the community. I am now having to go through hundreds of edits to clean this up. I would like to remind you again to please review our policy pages. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 19:45, September 21, 2019 (UTC)

Looking over your edits though, I do really appreciate you taking the time to correct some of the previous mistakes though and in general adding information from the historical locations and making the citations more precise in that regard. I know that is a lot of work in itself, and the minor formatting mistake regarding them doesn't invalidate that. :) Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:10, September 21, 2019 (UTC)

Language references

The way I was thinking of doing it was the first mission where the word/phrase is said is what gets referenced. But also for words that aren't in missions maybe ref as "Assassin's Creed Odyssey - overworld"? or something or just "Assassin's Creed Odyssey" by itself.V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 03:48, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

We could also use the <ref>-</ref>-function. Would save in space, and could accommodate several references, when a particular phrase or a word is used in several games, for example. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:25, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

Thats what I was thinking, but just for the purpose of the Sandbox i was just writing it out in full. And yeah, use multiple refs if it was used in more than one game.V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 10:33, September 29, 2019 (UTC)

Connection between Eve to Desmond and Clay

Good evening I come back on the line of Eve you had quoted me this: "Adam is an ancestor of Clay. Eve's status unconfirmed."

So my question would be do we have proof that she is the ancestor of Desmond Miles? because the sources we have do not mention linked to this last too. 

thank you in advance for your reply


Je part pour rejoindre mon peuple. My Brotherhood 23:43, October 3, 2019 (UTC)

In AC4: Black Flag (iirc), there's a 'family tree' of Desmond Miles, tracking his lineage all the way to so-called Eve. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:27, October 4, 2019 (UTC)

Minoans as Messarans

Saw you were categorizing Ariadne etc as Messarans but I don’t think that’s actually applicable. We know that Messara is considered a regional unit during the Peloponnesian War but we don’t know if the same can be said a 1000 years prior. I think we should just leave it at Cretans or maybe further delineate down to Minoans. Your thoughts? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:31, October 14, 2019 (UTC)

Tbh, considered leaving them as just 'Cretans'. Then thought that if Daidalos is considered Athenian (as per Discovery Tour, at least), they might be considered 'Messarans', but you're right that 'Minoans' would be likely best, if more than 'Cretans' is desired. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:36, October 14, 2019 (UTC)
Well we know Athens existed during the Heroic Age but the concept of Messara, not so certain. It is a complex issue though as Messaran has regional connotations while Minoan has temporal-cultural ones. This carries over to a lot of the demographic categories due to crossover between national, geographic, and ethnic identities. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:59, October 14, 2019 (UTC)

Gear images

I’m still seeing some issues with the gear pictures. You aren’t using the correct variant (unless that’s randomized across games). The inventor helmet is the pilos helmet but it’s the third variant (going right to left in the transmog menu) with the brim and the crest. Same with Aretos gauntlets you used the blue and gold variant that I think is reserved for the Athenian war hero instead of the third variant which is orange and gold.Lacrossedeamon (talk) 14:05, October 20, 2019 (UTC)

Model's the same, at least as far as the gauntlets are concerned. Atm, I can't get (high-quality) images from the menus, so limited to what's already been uploaded to the wiki and/or low-quality images. I'll get around fixing them as soon as possible. Sadelyrate (siniath) 14:26, October 20, 2019 (UTC)
My model is definitely not the blue and gold variant (there’s three color schemes for the same item) which in the transmog menu is the Athenian War Hero. I’ll try to confirm with some other editors if the actual model variant is random or not. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 15:15, October 20, 2019 (UTC)
The colour variants are what they are. As it is, I suggest you take it up with XOdeyssusx, as they're good with the menu images. Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:30, October 20, 2019 (UTC)
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