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Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. Master Sima Yi (talk) 20:59, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Egyptian mythology

Hey man,

If you know a lot about Egyptian mythology, then you're perfect for writing the article. One important thing though: make sure that all information you put on there can be traced back to Origins (or Discovery Tour if need be). I'm sure by now you know we have a very strict sourcing policy in place, so if it is not featured in the game, we cannot rightfully assume it also exists in the AC universe. (Of course, it is most likely the same, but it can always end up being slightly different, so best not to spread misinformation.) -- Master Sima Yi Talk 09:42, March 27, 2018 (UTC)

Issue with your Egyptian mythology page

You might wanna check some of your info. The stuff about Wadjet, Hermes, and Thoth is wrong. The Cult of Wadjet operated out of Karanis and surrounding area not Hermapolis and the defaced statue and murdered priest were in the Serapeon of Karanis not the Temple of Thoth. Also Baba is not the god represent by the baboon topped canopic jar. That would be Hapi who is also depicted as a baboon but is one of the Four Sons of Horus. Finally I don’t know if you wanna add that Serapis has attributes taken from Hades and Dionysus as well as Osiris and Apis which is where the name comes from. I’m not sure the Greek gods are ever explicitly mentioned in the game or the Discovery Tour but his statues are depicted with a bident and three headed dog, symbols of Hades. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 09:46, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Hi Lacrossedeamon, thanks for the tips! Feel free to edit the article as you see fit. I indeed mixed up Baba and Hapi, it's a big 'mess' the Egyptian mythology and it's hard to keep track of everything in my head, sometimes things get mixed up :) I couldn't remember the name of the town of the cult of Wadjet, did a quick search but apparently that source was wrong. Not sure if Hades is actually mentioned, I saw Bacchus (the Roman equivalent of Dionysus) being mentioned by name during a quest in Cyrene, Osiris and Apis are of course mentioned several times. Can't remember Hades or Dionysos being mentioned though, but I think it's worth a mention. Kennyannydenny (talk) 14:29, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

RE:Page renaming

Hello Kenny, I just wanted to say thank you for notifying me about the pages Machete and Cannon needing to be renamed properly. I despise those plural titles so much, and it is always good to be alerted when there are rogue pages still lying around. Cheers! Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:04, August 27, 2018 (UTC)

Hey sorry for the late reply. As per Wikipedia guidelines, there are actually certain types of pages which should be in the plural because it is more convenient to discuss them in a group. A common example are those concerning political subdivisions such as Provinces of Canada. Wikipedia also has a policy of treating pages on groups of people, such as Arabs or Egyptians in the plural. In the past, people here didn't quite understand when certain pages, such as Sword don't necessarily have to be discussed as a group. Cases like administrative subdivisions or people groups are hard exceptions and should not be the norm.
The reason why I'm explaining this is because the pages you see leftover in the plural are those which I was lenient about and wasn't sure if these exceptions apply in the Assassin's Creed context, especially since formerly, fans knew professions like mercenaries and courtesans always in the collective sense. I also have a hard time determining if Rifts and Borgia Towers should be treated similarly as Provinces of Canada in the sense that we'd almost always discuss them as parts of a whole concept. This is why it took me a while to respond because I have been pondering over the matter.
I think I will at the very least go ahead and change the articles on professions because there are plenty of mercenaries, thieves, doctors, etc. who aren't part of the "factions" employed by the Assassins. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 14:44, September 10, 2018 (UTC)
No, it is fine that if you didn't give too much of a thought about it before because you weren't expected to. I appreciate that you care about consistency since to be quite honest with you, it seems many of the old administrators gave even less thought about. To clarify, it is unprecedented for articles to be in the plural; grammatically, the base form of a word should always be used unless strong reason otherwise, and this form is the singular noun. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:06, September 10, 2018 (UTC)
Here is Wikipedia's guideline on this matter. Reading this, can you determine if Rifts and Borgia Towers fall under the exceptions listed, such as articles about groups or classes of specific things? I just have a hard time wrapping my head around whether this applies or not with these two. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:47, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Athenian Leader et al

Heya, Kennyannydenny ;)

The reasoning behind redirecting and grouping those quests for The Athenian Leader is simply because the dialogue there is exceptionally light; in fact, all the dialogue is present on The Athenian Leader page, so you can see what I'm talking about. If I recall correctly, one of them didn't even have dialogue. I had reached out to Sol Pacificus who supported this.

On the other hand, the quests relating to Welcome to Athens all have substantial dialogue, which would make Welcome to Athens a very lengthy page if it were all combined. Raylan13 (talk) 18:13, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Ah that explains a lot. I do think we should handle one of the two methods for all pages, not do one page in the first form and the other pages in the second. What do you (and the others) think? Kennyannydenny (talk) 18:41, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
If Sol thinks they should be consistent, I'm fine with that. Despite the lack of information for the support quests for The Athenian Leader, I'd prefer to go with having an individual page for each of them if there's a choice to be had. Better to have a handful with a small amount of info rather than have multiple enormous pages. Raylan13 (talk) 20:21, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
Totally agree. I'll wait a day or two to see what the others think. Kennyannydenny (talk) 20:31, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
For what it's worth, we do have a number of very small memory pages (say, Assassination contracts in AC2), so going that way (more lighter memory articles rather than heavier but less) gets my vote.
What ultimately (imo) decides this is this: do those 'little memories' have a title of their own? Sadelyrate (siniath) 20:39, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
Yes. All those quests have their own title and description, quest markers, rewards, objectives, etc. They're just marked as "Support Quest". Maybe they deserve their own page and we would simply use support quest as the type on our pages too. Kennyannydenny (talk) 20:43, October 16, 2018 (UTC)
I still have not started on the game, so I wasn't able to nor would be able to even now offer the best opinion on this. However, if these mini-quests do indeed have names (even if the names are as generic as "Support Quest") and are organized in the game just like other quests, then no matter how short they are, they would merit their own pages to be consistent with our organization. I sorry if it sounds like I'm vacillating; again, I don't have a clear perspective on this. Perhaps I can watch a YouTube video on these particular mini-quests to see what you guys are really talking about. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 15:59, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

Ok I went ahead and made articles for the support quests. I've marked the quests as support quest by type in the infoboxes. I think that's the best solution. Kennyannydenny (talk) 21:23, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

RE:Prince of Persia – Source for Description

Normally for memory articles such as this, it is unnecessary to add a citation for the "Reference" section because the entire page pertains to one game, and it is not a main article. However, in this case, I had to add a citation supporting the statement that Prince of Persia is a spiritual predecessor of Assassin's Creed. This meant that the "Reference" section now became a list of citations where, if I did not also cite the rest of the page to Assassin's Creed: Odyssey, the page would essentially fail to refer to that game as a source. This was only added to the "Description" section because that is the only section in the body right now. "Introduction" sections are not supposed to have citations. Me citing it to Assassin's Creed: Origins instead is a typographical error, and I thank you for catching that mistake. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 17:24, October 27, 2018 (UTC)

Disambiguation & primary topic

Hello Kenny, I am happy to see you taking initiative by moving the page Adrestia to Adrestia (ship), so that we can disambiguate from Adrestia (deity), but there is actually a rule about primary topics when it comes to disambiguations. This is covered in the Manual of Style. Essentially, when one of the pages is much more likely to be the one that our audience would be searching for when they enter a query because it is far more significant to the series, the subject of that page is called the primary topic. When a page is the primary topic for a name, it should not be a disambiguation page, but rather that name should directly lead to it. Its title should not be accompanied with a parenthetical disambiguation. Instead, there should be a disambiguation page titled with "(disambiguation)".

I know this is all very confusing, but here is an example with Adrestia. Since the goddess with that same name is not really significant to the series at all, never having made an appearance, and is only the namesake of the ship, it should not be treated on the same level of significance as Adrestia by having both equally disambiguated. Instead, the disambiguation page should be titled "Adrestia (disambiguation)". I will correct this now.

Once again, don't worry too much about this mistake; I am proud of you for taking the initiative! :) And let me know if you still find this confusing after reading this and the Manual of Style. 16:49, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Sol, I think I know what you're talking about. As I remember correctly, the English Wikipedia also did that with a lot of cases. On the Dutch wikipedia we call them "Amsterdam constructies" as Amsterdam is one such case. Everyone is looking for the city not the municipality. Didn't know we also handle that here, sorry. Wil try to remember that in the future. I'm not that much of a fan of those situations as, who am I to judge which topic people want to see more, but I can see this one is a clear case. What of the horse versus the god?: Phobos. Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:54, October 30, 2018 (UTC)
Another question, do we want an article about Greek mythology like I made about the Egyptian mythology? I've been noting in a notepad which gods are mentioned in the game so far, trying to keep track of things. But I've also seen things that aren't gods like Helen of Troy etc. being mentioned. Maybe such an artile is worth it? We could make it in my personal namespace first if that's better, everyone will be free to edit/help me and then we don't have to stick a revamp banner on it afterwards ;) Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:56, October 30, 2018 (UTC)
as someone made the page Twelve Olympians, and started a list of other 'important deities'. I think it's best to keep such things on one article about the mythology, or at least keep the other deities of that page, as that one is specifically about the 12 major gods. Kennyannydenny (talk) 16:59, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

Spoilerhd date

Hi Kenny. When creating articles for Legacy of the First Blade-related materials, can you ensure the {{Spoilerhd}} date is updated - it needs to be "4 March 2019" now (three months after release). Thanks. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:44, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sorry. I've fixed them all :) Kennyannydenny (talk) 14:46, December 4, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:49, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

FoA weapon articles

Hi Kenny. I've noticed that you've been creating a number of new weapon and armour articles for Fate of Atlantis. Might I suggest you review my revised wording here and implement it into any articles you create going forward. In-game, Elysium is a simulation rather than a "real-world" location so we cannot say with certainty that these weapons are armours were actually made by the Isu, and are not just a byproduct of Aletheia's simulation. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:27, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

Yup, I saw your changes and immediately done that too with the Isu Vanguard Helmet I just created. Was indeed planning on doing that with all from now on. I sometimes forget it's indeed just a simulation by Aletheia. I was just thinking, maybe we shouldn't mark characters like Aegea and Iphigenia as dead. Yes Kassandra kills them in the simulation, but it's just a simulation. So for what it's worth, maybe Iphigenia is still alive in the real Elysium. Kennyannydenny (talk) 10:30, April 24, 2019 (UTC)

Formatting of equipment pages

Helo Kennyannydenny, I have created a guide detailing common issues I've been finding in our newest equipment pages. Please take a look when you have the time! Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:30, April 29, 2019 (UTC)

Correcting rather than deleting poor edits

Hello Kenny, regarding your reversion to the article Popular, the user whose edit you undid expressed some confusion about it. Ideally, when dealing with poor edits, it is actually better to reformat or make corrections to them, such as incorporating the material into the article in a different way or in a different section, rather than delete them entirely. I understand that sometimes we're in a hurry and don't feel like we have the time to do so though but also don't want to just leave the poor edit hanging, so deleting seems like a quicker solution; I experience this dilemma sometimes too. Anyway, I just thought I'd give you a heads-up! It's not a big deal really! Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:11, August 21, 2019 (UTC)

No probs, thanks for letting me know. Normally I'd explain it on the user's talk page but I was actually in a real rush, didn't have any time to type out such things. I just saw that passing yesterday and only had a minute to undo it before I had to posted my article and had to go. Kennyannydenny (talk) 08:26, August 22, 2019 (UTC)

On Database categories

Hi Kenny.

I saw that you moved two database letters from "Database: Items" to "Database: Documents". While they are technically documents, these categories are meant to show which tab in the game database they are found in. In this case, both of them are inside the items tab for the Jack the Ripper DLC, so I moved them back.

Keep up the good work, Soranin (talk) 15:38, April 22, 2020 (UTC)

Oh right, sorry. Didn't think of that. Kennyannydenny (talk) 18:42, April 22, 2020 (UTC)

Okay, Thanks!

So I got the message. I'll change it back. Thanks. Batfan13 (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Batfan13

ACV memories

Hello Kennyannydenny,
Great job with starting all the ACV memory pages, it really helps. Just a note in case you happened to forget, you're missing the "Previous" and "Next" parameters in almost all your World memories. Now, maybe it's because we're still finding new side-quests not listed in Template:ACVMemories as we play the game, but every other [game]Memories template has side-quests by region/person follow one after the other, even if they technically could happen at any time in-game. – Darman (talk) 14:40, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

I haven't added previous and next parameters as all mystery memories are not related to each other. We might decide on an order, but I have no idea what order that should be and where to decide that on. I just encounter them whilst scouting the area. On what should we base the order? Alphabetical? We have no idea in what order people would explore the region, I for one often skip something near big towns to first do things in rural areas. Kennyannydenny (talk) 15:12, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
I really don't mind adding them, but then I'll have to know in which order they should be linked. Kennyannydenny (talk) 15:13, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
So far as I can tell looking at other Templates, quests given by specific people are sequential (eg. for Alkibiades, the order is "Handle with Care" > "Designated Rider" > "Rock Hard", etc.), while world quests found by exploring are arranged alphabetically (eg. Origins' Papyrus Puzzles are listed as "A Long Drink" > "Burning Bush" > "Dead or Alive", etc.) – Darman (talk) 15:30, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Ok so, since almost every mystery is from a unique questgiver (and not sequenced) they'll probably need to be ordered alphabetically. I'll do that. Kennyannydenny (talk) 15:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Just a minor addendum, side quests are only alphabetically sequential to their region. For example, the Rygjafylke quests don't lead into the Hordafylke, nor Cent into East Anglia, etc. Sorry for being unclear in my earlier messages. – Darman (talk) 17:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oh ok, no probs. I'll keep that in mind! Kennyannydenny (talk) 17:28, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
All good! I'm just glad I/we caught that early, because looking at ACODMemories, I noticed that every single Ainigmata Ostraka is in haphazard order, and it's been 3yrs since ACOD's release. Yikes! – 17:40, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Oof, that's a long time being incorrect. Yeah this was an easy fix this way. Kennyannydenny (talk) 19:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Valhalla Notes


Am I okay to contribute to User:Kennyannydenny/Valhalla_notes? I found some that were neither in the page or linked to a quest, so I thought it best to seek permission first.

Sertor V. (talk) 13:51, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Definitely! It's the place I document the notes I find whilst playing through the game. I haven't added any interwiki links yet, I thought that was best to do near the end when all notes are in to prevent duplicate links/work etc. But you're free to edit the page. Kennyannydenny (talk) 15:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Valhalla side activities pages

Hello Kenny, I just wanted to double-check that you do not have any further things to add to the this discussion you opened up on whether or not to remove a series of memory pages for Valhalla. Since you seemed to have only been outvoted 2:1, I thought I would take the courtesy to verify if you had any further suggestions, any lingering strong objections, or if you on the same page with Sora and Lacrosse even if you disagree. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 03:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

While I don't 100% agree, i'm fine with only making location (or animal/person) articles for the cairns, standing stones, flyting etc, instead of also memory pages. I don't mind rewriting the current pages into location pages, but if we'd rather remove these and create new ones for the locations, that's also fine by me.
If we do end up removing them, I must insist the same happens with similar Origins and Odyssey articles, like the Papyrus Puzzles and Ainigmata Ostraka, to keep everything consistent as discussed on that talk page (So removing pages for specific puzzles and ostraka like A Long Drink and A Finger Tip, not the pages about Papyrus Puzzles and Ainigmata Ostraka in general of course). Kennyannydenny (talk) 08:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
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