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de Sable/de Sablé

Hey Jasca

About the Robert de Sable article. Throughout the entirety of Assassin's Creed, his name is pronounced as "de Sable", which, in English, means "of sand". Apparently (I didn't know this), he is based on the historical figure Robert de Sablé, with surname referring to his birthplace "of Sablé". I am now firing up the game to check if his surname is spelled anywhere. I propose you change back his surname to "de Sable", rather than "de Sablé", because it is unnecessarily confusing, and add it in the Trivia section or something.

Thanks for reading. Crook The Constantine District 13:11, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

With respect, I won't be doing that. His name is Robert de Sablé ("of Sablé"), because he held lorship over the region of Sablé-sur-Sarthe in Anjou, France. Also, even if the game uses the spelling "Sable", the wiki use native spellings of names for its articles; e.g. Jeanne d'Arc. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:05, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
This is not about native spelling, this is about misspelling. For some reason or other, Ubisoft made a mistake during their research, turning "Robert de Sablé" into "Robert de Sable", and having every character subsequently pronounce "sable" like the French word for sand, rather than the French commune. Since the Wiki is primarily based on the game, I believe "de Sable" takes precedence over "de Sablé". Any person with some bare knowledge of French that has played Assassin's Creed would be confused if his article (which is still title "Robert de Sable" btw). I still support this being relegated to Trivia. What does the encylopedia say on him anyway? Is he from the region Sablé-sur-Sarthe like his historical counterpart? Crook The Constantine District 14:15, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
My question to you is; why would he be called Robert of Sand? Also, the only reason the article is still spelt "de Sable" is due to the page move option being locked. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:36, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
This is not about the why, since it's pretty obviously a mistake. This is about clarity and consistency. He is referred to as "Robert de Sable" in every instance of canon within the series (Assassin's Creed, the Encyclopedia, The Secret Crusade), so his article should reflect that. In fact, the only source supporting "Robert de Sablé" is Wikipedia, which stands outside the series as a whole, and should come second to any data on the game. Again, we should relegate this to Trivia, where we explain that Robert de Sable is based on the historical figure Robert de Sablé. Crook The Constantine District 14:49, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
I agree to Crook's option. What is in the game, should be in the wiki. Joan of Arc's native name may be Jeann'deArk but in my point of view, I think it is like that because either it is corrected somewhere in any game or she is a minor character, whereas Robert de Sable is not. Edward Thatch (I know his name is modified) explains in trivia section his actual historical counterpart's name, and so should Robert's article. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 15:19, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

John de Lancie

Bro, I edited then the old version of Nesty in John's page to inform you...

Cheers,

AgentG231 The Action Center 10:45, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Say what? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 10:48, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Concerning the accomplishments page, sorry, I just copy-pasted the templates from Bloodlines, I didn't know it would include the "good article" category. 83.108.84.147 11:06, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Edward James

As far as I can tell, we don't add the middle name in the default sort on any other articles. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 08:20, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm. We probably should, but fair enough. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:25, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

I am sorry to ask you this personaly but nobody is answering back to my post..

I have a doubt that is probably too simple, since i didnt find any answer to it online.

I have to choose between buying AC 3 for 30€ and AC 3 + Hidden Secrets, Battle Hardened and Tyranny of George Washington for 50€.

My main question is - are the DLC free? How much do the extra missions cost if i download them if i buy the simple AC3?

Thank you very much

Kalip26 (talk) 15:45, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Jennifer Scott

Where in the game is it mentioned her surname as "Scott-Kenway"? Stormbeast The Helpful Place 11:04, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ugh, my bad. It was Caroline he was referring too, not Jennifer. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:12, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Heads-up

If you'd just waited, I was planning to move the page myself to auto-create a redirect when my internet connection was acting up once again. Your edit summaries have been particularly infuriating these past few weeks as for some reason you have picked up your old attitude once again. It's been frustrating to me and to several other people as well, and I'm not going to warn you about it again. This is not a discussion, but a heads up. If you can't function in a community by not annoying others with your attitude, don't be part of one. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 17:32, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Queen Anne's Revenge

If you're working on a frigate page, fine. But England wasn't renamed at all, if that's what you mean; it was still England. And "slaver ship" is incorrect, as that would mean it was the ship of a slaver, which, to my knowledge, it wasn't. nucl3arsnake (talk) 14:06, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

"The Kingdom of Great Britain was a sovereign state in north-west Europe that existed from 1 May 1707 to 31 December 1800. The state came into being with the union of the kingdoms of Scotland and England (which included Wales)"; 1710 is after 1707. Also, Concord was redesigned before Thatch's captaincy to hold slaves. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:15, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
The Wikipedia page on Queen Anne's Revenge begs to differ. And just because it held slaves doesn't mean the captain / owner of the ship was a slaver, and regardless of that, "slaver ship" is incorrect; I have heard of a "slave ship" before, however. nucl3arsnake (talk) 14:22, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Behaviour

Your behaviour is a talk in the IRC. Be warned that if your behaviour continues, and Sima gets more complaints via PM, you will be permabanned. Believe me. You don't want to be banned, your contributions are valuable, much like any, but still. good day :) 202.164.150.195 14:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Whilst I appreciate your alerting me to the talk about me, I have no idea who you are, and it would go some if you let me know. Frankly, if people talk about me or not is not my concern or worry; people are always going to dislike me, I came to terms with that years ago. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:00, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
Who am I is not the point here. You're warned and you're on thin ice. At least that's what I heard. Your disregard for Sima's page, which you said as 'fanon,' when according to Brahman article, was released was pointless. Also, that other page which you put in the delete template because of 'third party video' was too. Think: ACIV has been released and any admin may delete it if it has been proved that not exists, I know, you're abiding by strictly to wiki policies by preventing speculation, but let me tell you, it is okay a little. Also, a third party video can't be 'non-canon,' just check Walkthroughs and the like. Anyway, a quote on the IRC goes by like this "Jasca's stick up his ass 1.5 times today" I'm not gonna say who said that, since that'd be offensive. So please, don't get banned. You don't deserve it. Good day. 202.164.150.195 17:09, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
Skywalker, get out. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 17:11, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, just telling me someone said it isn't offensive. Please leave Skywalker. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:15, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

IRC

I saw you dropped by the IRC while I was away; my nick is always online, but I am available now. I'll be busy with some other things but that should not be a bother. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:29, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Editing for structure and flow

Hello! You seem to be a fellow in the know, and as I was not able to find an answer to this question in the available policy documents, I thought I might ask you.

Is there a standard on editing for structure/flow on the AC Wiki? (i.e. changing a word if it is repeated more than once in a short amount of time, breaking up long sentences, etc.) These kind of edits have been fine (and sometimes encouraged) at other wikis I have worked on, but on the AC wiki I've had some edits of this nature reversed because they did not specifically add new content and were referred to as "rephrasing." Is there a policy on this? I want to make sure that any edits I do are in keeping with the wiki's standards.

Molotov.cockroach (talk) 16:28, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I agree with any attempts to limit repetition in sentences, and to break up overly-long and grammatically incorrect sentences, but clearly (according to your post) there are individuals here who feel that your edits do not constitute what they would consider constructive.
Rephrasing is not, in itself, a reason for an edit to be reverted (nor is not adding new content), and I would strongly recommend that if such an edit is reverted again, you ask the reverting user on their talk page as to their reasons for doing so. I often find that while the information we need is in the article, it is sometimes poorly written, and so it would be negligence for me to ignore it. If they are insistent that your edit remains off the article, without providing what you consider to be a satisfactory reason, please don't hesitate to call someone else in for a third opinion.
EDIT: Having had a quick glance through your contributions, I spotted the reversion you was talking about; I'm afraid that the individual that reverted your edit is well-known to myself, and others, for reasons such as this. I'll be leaving a message on their talk page shortly. That said, I would still recommend following the advice I have posted above. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:11, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate the information. Also, I apologize if I came off as complaining--I just want to make sure that if I feel like being bull-headed about a structural edit, I'm not violating wiki rules in doing so. :) That sounds like a good way to proceed, so I will follow your advice going forward. Thanks!
Molotov.cockroach (talk) 18:24, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
My comment about complaints was directed at you, you did the right thing. No problemo. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:13, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

No title

WHY DID YOU EDIT MY PAGE?Samkenway1 (talk) 16:56, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Stop foaming. The only pages that are 'yours' are your profile, talkpage and any sandboxes you make. Everything else is public and up for others to edit meaningfully. That's the whole point of a wiki. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:58, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
STAR TREK IS BETTER THAN STAR WARSSamkenway1 (talk) 16:58, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
And that doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. Your capslock is also broken. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:59, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
You're also incorrect; Star Wars is far superior. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:25, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

sorry?

Well, that wasn't the fastest ban I've seen, but it was pretty damn close. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:26, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Edward Thatch edit

My reason for reverting is because we don't copy the database entries word-for-word into the articles. That's bad form, and considered plagiarism. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 18:30, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

fair enough, and quite right. As you've probably noticed, I've since managed to include the necessary information as part of a wider addition to the article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 19:03, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Page

You have no right to tell anyone what they are supposed to feel and I'm not going to listen to someone like you. I know all that and already accept it without you telling me. Beside I don't expect anyone to understand. --Cococrash11 (talk) 20:50, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

I have every right to tell somebody what is expected of them when they contribute to the Wiki. Having a hissy fit and making false claims is not something individuals here appreciate. 'Someone like me'? What exactly am I like, then?
The fact that my reply to your message spurred you to post such an emotional, hissy fit (again), response on my talk page shows that, clearly, you do need somebody to tell you what is expected of you. I expect you to understand that. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:52, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Typical. --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:33, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

I'm typical? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 22:09, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Punctuation in quotes clarification

I know this is a small thing, but I wanted to get clarification on it for future edits.

Does this wiki use the British English or American English standard of punctuation use? The American standard says that periods and commas go inside quotations even if they're not part of the quote, versus the British standard, which is the opposite. I've got a couple of sources for reference. I'm happy to abide by either, but it would be good to know which we use.

Molotov.cockroach (talk) 17:59, December 4, 2013 (UTC)

Annoyingly, it appears to change at the fancy of a handful users. Personally. I've always used punctuation outside of the quotation marks, unless it is actually part of the quote; that is what other users have been doing of late, but the Wiki is, by no stretch of the imagination, uniform in its approach.
This is just one of the many things that we need to get organised here, but I'm sick of personally having to create a new vote for each change. I suggest you have a word with Sima, see what his thoughts in the matter are. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 20:22, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
All right, that seems sensible enough. I will go check on that. Thank you.
Molotov.cockroach (talk) 06:40, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mentioned?

Where is it mentioned that Connor's surname is mentioned as being "Kenway" in Assassin's Creed IV? I saw no such thing on the article's trivia.  Are you sure it's in there?

Of course I'm sure, I wouldn't have placed it in the article otherwise.... He is referred to as such in the Database multiple times; the fact that it was "written" by Abstergo employees however, should be taken into consideration. EDIT: Please sign your posts as well, you should know better. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:53, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Images

I'll be leaving this message on both your and Kain's talkpages. A new user has 24 hours to source their image before being marked for deletion. That explains why I've reverted both your edits, after you guys have been adding the delete tag mere minutes after a new user has uploaded an image. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 14:59, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Can you show me where this '24 hour' rule has come from, exactly? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:24, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
A forum has been created for this. We need to encourage community, and hammering user edits and contributions (including images, even if initially unsourced) because they are not perfect is detrimental to community. A Wiki is a community-driven project, no matter how high the standards. Forgiveness and patience is needed so that users have the opportunity to learn the policy and become worthy contributors. DarkFeather Raven's NestRaven's Hunt 11:08, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Ban

Once again, since you still refuse to adapt to the community. You edit-war, are disrespectful to others, and annoy a multitude of people. Therefore, I am once more issuing a ban from the wiki. It will last 3 months, like the previous one. Please note that your next ban from the wiki will be a permanent one since it would be your third. Nesty Contact me! 13:21, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

It seems I misjudged the situation, and thus I have removed Jasca Ducato's block from the wiki. The above message will be retained for archiving purposes and are not, under any circumstance, to be used against this user. Nesty Contact me! 14:32, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Nesty, I appreciate it. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:39, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Mary Read edits

I must ask, why the call out? Given that we were discussing the date discrepancy right then, what made you think I was going to go back and change it once evidence of the 1720 date was presented? -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 20:41, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

The comment was more aimed at discouraging users other than those involved in the conversation from making the change again, as was the case recently with the Woodes Rogers article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:57, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm, all right. Makes sense. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 19:26, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Nobles category

Hey Jasca,

Were you the one that removed the Nobles category from all the articles Bovkaffe added it to? If so, I'd at least like you to give him the courtesy of an explanation. He's a new member - even if he's been here as an anon for a bit. 

Thanks for reading. Crook The Constantine District 21:56, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Crook,
no, I wasn't the one who removed the categories, it was Vatsa's bot. I only removed the categories from those he had added it too a second time. I'll leave the explanation up to Vatsa, though for my own part I personally don't think we need such a category. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 22:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Ah okay, thanks for your reply. I hope I didn't seem like I was attacking you; I saw the categories vanishing without the name of an editor, so I figured it was one of the staff. The 'nobles' category does seem a bit too broad. Anyways, I just wanted to make sure we didn't come across as too 'unwelcoming'; I'll go leave a message in Vatsa's stead, since he's not here all that often. Crook The Constantine District 22:15, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Privateers and Royal Navy personnel

Hi Jasca,

Thanks for the back-up on the privateers thing. I actually mentioned it here, but it seems it didn't stick. I appreciate you bringing your cred to this one. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 18:51, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

No problemo. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:13, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Marquis de Sade

So what makes you think he's not going to be in the game, considering he's grouped with King Louis, who we know is. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 15:13, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, the Delete tag shouldn't be removed simply because you disagree with it. If a user has out it on an article, it should remain there until such time that the article is deleted, or a discussion and decision against deleting it has been completed. (Frankly, I find simply reverting a tag somebody has out on an article both rude, and particularly undermining.)
As for the reason I put the tag on the article: Eurogamer, whilst being a respectable source for gaming information, is not on our list of 'reliable sources'; normally I wouldn't mind that minor detail, save for the fact that I haven't seen the 'de Sade' name mentioned on any Ubisoft material, or any other publisher for that matter (besides Eurogamer). I could of course be wrong, in which case I would appreciate a secondary source, for my own assurances.
At the very least the article should be renamed, since Marquis de Sade is a title, not a name. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 17:36, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
I reverted it because your rash decision to mark it could lead to its deletion before we hashed this out; it was by no means intentionally "undermining" to you. I suppose we can readd the tag and recreate it under the appropriate name when he appears in a "reliable source". Stormbeast The Helpful Place 17:41, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Well that's upon those with the power to delete to decide as and when they enact the tag; an article can always be recreated once deleted if a decision to keep it is made. That being said, I've had a quick look on Google and managed to find a few more sources that list Marquis de Sade as in-game, so I see no reason to re-add the tag. The article still needs renaming though. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 18:26, June 27, 2014 (UTC)



Real irony when you "out" me for trolling, and then post a response in the attempt to get a rise out of me (ie. trolling). You're pretty terrible at it, accentuated by the fact that you don't really know what the fuck you're talking about. You're just a follower of some lonely, niche wiki that no one will ever come to for anything meaningful about the game. I hope you're as satisfied about that as I am.

69.84.24.114 21:38, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Christ, you're persistent. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 22:20, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Edit-warring

Springcleaning "Have some respect for death, my friend."

Safety and peace. We have observed that some of your recent activities on the wiki were of ill fate. While your help is just as good as any, please try to refrain from negatively affecting the wiki and its community. Should you require any assistance or have any concerns, please refer to us if need be.
This is your first warning. Arrivederci.

You're hereby receiving a warning for edit-warring. Take it to the talk page. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 11:58, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Era icons

Hey Jasca,

Quick question: what font do you use for the lettering in era icons? I intend to fix Pirates', since nobody else has managed to get around to it. Thanks for reading :) Crook The Constantine District 20:46, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for the ridiculously late reply, Crook. I've been away for a little while... I used the same typeface as the office logo, which is Trajan Pro. - - Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:57, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Insignia

Did you draw that cool insignia??

Could you be a little more specific please. What insignia are you referring to? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 18:32, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
He means the one in your avatar. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 18:44, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
Oh. It's a tattoo... --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 20:35, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing policy

As you may or may not have seen, I've been toying around with a new form of sourcing, one that you proposed a while back but didn't get much traction. I've since change my mind about it, and think we should install a new form of sourcing before it's getting too hard to keep track of all information. I was wondering if you'd be up for exchanging some ideas on how to approach this new policy via the IRC? -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 13:35, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

My apologies for the late response. Yes, of course I'd be happy to chat about this on IRC at some point. I'll try and find the time to log on this evening. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:28, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Syndicate notice

Hey there Jasca. I noticed your disgruntled edit summary about the Syndicate notice and decided to drop you a quick message. It's a temporary thing that should be removed either today or tomorrow. We were contacted by Wikia staff, who had been contacted by Ubisoft, and it seemed like a good promotion opportunity. Alas, we did not get exactly what we bargained for, but the deal is somewhat binding, so we can't just go and take it down ourselves. Figured I'd drop you a quick explanation. Nesty Contact me! 23:49, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Thank You

Thaks for improving and correcting the Grand Master trivia. Abelzorus Prime (talk) 16:14, July 3, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, but no problem! --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:41, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Attitude

And let's not fall back into condescending attitude please, Jasca. Not everyone can do everything right all the time. Not to mention that to my knowledge this isn't clarified in our MoS. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 13:12, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Trivia in page "Yu Dayong"

The possible cause to the wrong translation is from our speculation.We are not sure if that was made through the Wubi input method.The mustache and eunuch part,I presume it's OK and not superfluous.Sleeplust (talk) 12:18, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Any speculation is banned from articles. The current text states the fact (it is incorrect), but avoid the speculation ("why" it is incorrect). --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:21, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
I think what Sleeplust means is that the incorrect translation might not have been the result of the Wubi method. Right now, the article states that as fact, but the mistaken translation could have come about in some other way. Crook The Constantine District 12:25, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah!Crook is right!I think it's OK to edit the trivia and delete the "speculation about the Wubi method" part,because it's a mere speculation.BTW,"His mustache is inconsistent with reality,because Gu Dayong was a eunuch in 1526." This part can be good trivia in that page.Sleeplust (talk) 12:33, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure if being a eunuch automatically outrules having a mustache. It depends on when Yu Dayong was castrated, I guess. I'm not sure. Crook The Constantine District 12:38, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
I've just checked.It's possible to keep beard/mustache if the eunuch was castrated in adulthood.Sleeplust (talk) 12:55, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
But do we know when Yu Dayong was castrated? If we don't, I don't think we can add it to trivia (sorry for spamming your talkpage, jasca ^^;). Crook The Constantine District 12:58, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
That's fine. To be honest, I would prefer to remove the section entirely; I only kept the Wubi comment in because somebody else put it in before. To me the whole sentence reeked of speculation. (This reminds me of the Orlov/Orelov argument, again.) --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:14, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
I made the comment of Wubi,when not logged in.As we don't need speculation here,I have deleted that.I have just made sure that his beard could be kept if he became an eunuch as an adult and the beard comment turned unnecessary.
To Jasca,We've no different idea,as I still deem the current paragraph a good trivia,for it's correct,without speculation.Sleeplust (talk) 04:27, October 8, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the page "assassin leader". It is the automatic translator of Chrome. Sorry Spanish assassin (Talk) 16:52, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Kenway vault

The novel refers to he basement underneath the Kenway Mansion as the "Kenway vault", I was just adding it to the article. -- Zero-ELEC (talk) 17:14, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Galleries of Heads of State

I noticed you removed the gallery of the Roman Emperors. I wish to discuss the possibility of bringing it back. The idea for creating these galleries came from the fact that we have such galleries for Assassin ranks (leaders, mentors, etc.) and Templar ranks (Grand Masters, Black Crosses, etc.). The first gallery I created was the Popes at the Papacy page. No one complained or had objections, so I created one for the Roman Emperors and I do intend to do the same with other Heads of State (Byzantine Empire, United Kingdom, etc.). I do agree that this particular gallery lacks images, but that's something that can't be helped until future releases give us actual images of the Emperors. I simply think that these galleries give people a way of knowing the chronological order of succession and how long they ruled. The Wikia Editor (talk), 14:44, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Whilst I cannot speak for other users who are certainly more active than I am nowadays (any of whom might have the Papacy article on their watchlists), I for one strongly dislike the idea of having galleries of Heads of States on government/organisation articles. On both Roman Empire and Papacy, the galleries are over 50% placeholder images, which in itself is reason enough not to include them, I believe; not to mention the fact that uploading real-world images to the Wiki solely for use in a gallery (as you have done for some of the Popes) is against the site policy.
Saying "that's something that can't be helped until future releases give us actual images" isn’t a valid excuse to leave a placeholder image in a gallery either, and I do not believe one can justify creating these galleries on the assumption that Ubisoft will one day place an image of said individuals in a future release – in the case of most of these individuals, I highly doubt it will ever happen.
Simply linking to the categories covering these individuals (i.e. Category:Emperors of the Roman Empire, Category:Popes etc.) is sufficient, in my eyes, for the purpose of providing a list of each head of state. The subject of knowing the chronological order of succession is not something that necessarily needs to be covered, as the article is about the government, not the head of state. (If you want to find some way of including a chronological list of each head of state, your best bet would be to either work it into the prose, or add a succession box on the individual articles of each head of state.)
Finally, I would also like to point out that given the fact that the Assassins and Templars are the focus of this wiki (it is Assassin's Creed after all), there is sufficient grounds to argue a distinction between the articles, which justifies keeping the galleries on those articles whilst keeping them off of articles about background organisations. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:41, November 21, 2016 (UTC)
First and foremost, I want to make it clear that the only real-world image of a Pope I have uploaded is of Paul III, and the reason I did that is because his portrait is featured in the timeline on Family Tree DNA, which makes it an in-universe image by definition. Same for the portrait of Martin Luther I uploaded. All the other images of the Popes present on the wiki (which, I repeat, were not uploaded by me), were also featured in-game somewhere at some point.
I understand that the Assassins and Templars are the main focus of the series, but I still think some sort of chronological listing (not necessarily including images) is appropriate. I think I'm gonna have to think of something. Because yes, the lack images for many of these characters is annoying, I fully agree with you on that. The Wikia Editor (talk), 19:18, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

I'm with Jasca here. To me this comes down to having a gallery for the sake of having a gallery while it doesn't really add anything of substance. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 18:26, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

First name vs. Last name usage

Hey Jasca, I just noticed your recent edit on Isabelle Ardant where you changed all cases of her being mentioned to her personal name rather than her surname. In your edit summary, you noted that this is how it's meant to be for instances when the individual in question is the subject of the article. I know that this isn't regular practice in other wiki, such as Wikipedia or Wookieepedia, both of which follow by conventional English academic practice to always use the surname instead. My question is, is what you described the policy in AC Wiki? I asked Crookandcharlatan about this before, and he told me that there is no policy on this here, only that we remain consistent and use whichever is less awkward and more common (e.g. "Ezio" instead of "Auditore" but "Washington" instead of "George"). Your edit summary contradicts this, and I just want to clarify that this is actually an established convention.

We've had recent issues where people treat their personal preferences as part of a codified manual of style when there really is none, and even admins seem to differ on their ideas of the manual of style sometimes. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 12:54, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sol. Crook is correct in that there is not, and never has been, a structured policy as to whether the article subject should be referred to by the First Name or Surname, but it was established by general consensus some time ago that the First Name be used in articles where appropriate/less awkward, and certainly for protagonist articles. (I think it was the Edward Kenway/Edward Thatch situation which somewhat codified the practice.)
It could really go either way on this one, as I do not personally feel that using the name "Isabelle" is any more, or any less awkward than using "Ardant." Whereas with your cited example of George Washington, there are a number of other 'George XXX' characters with whom he might be confused if their First Names were both used in the same sentence.
In short: I always use the First Name for the subject of the article unless their is a reason not to (e.g. it reads awkwardly), but I'm not fussed, either way. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:58, June 26, 2017 (UTC)

Discord

Heya Jasca, so up above you can see a message called "Sourcing policy" from over two years ago and I kind of wanted to get back on that. :P Since I saw you were recently back active and I wanted to discuss this with you, do you reckon you're still down to discuss some revisions to the sourcing policy? I think the best way to converse is through Discord, so we do not both need to be online at the same time. Here: https://discord.gg/eyQYdqt -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 10:05, August 31, 2017 (UTC)

Sourcing Question

Hello Jasca,
I found a jackpot of ACO concept art (hat-tip to Nanomat here) and I'm confused which source license to use. The licence page says every image from a Ubisoft product (concept art, screenshots, etc) goes under {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}, but a bunch of recent pics uploaded by XOdeyssusx (Apr 2-3) all use {{Permission}} instead, which technically also works, seeing as they're intellectual property. How do I know which to use? All my past uploads were {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}; should I change to {{Permission}}? -- Darman (talk) 03:16, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Hi Darman. Whilst {{Permission}} does, technically, work I would recommend you continue to use {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} since it provides a concrete grounds for our use of the image in question (i.e. Attribution ShareAlike 3.0). {{Permission}} is more speculative in its wording, and I actually think fairly redundant. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:18, April 4, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, Jasca. Looking in the history of each license page, it appears {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} actually predates {{Permission}} by 1 year and 6 months. Since {{Permission}} was evidently not being used as a placeholder until {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} came about, as I'd previously thought, why do we even have such an ambiguously-worded infobox? Should we change all {{Permission}}s to {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}s and delete then then-unused licence page? -- Darman (talk) 17:23, April 4, 2018 (UTC)
{{Permission}} was originally created by one of the founding editors of the wiki, and so is a legacy template largely superceded by {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}}. I would certainly recommend replacing any use of {{Permission}} you encounter. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 11:04, April 5, 2018 (UTC)

Hello Jasca, there is a guy that does not stop harassing me

His name is SolPacifus, although pacific has little. I have deleted information about the equipment and skills of Nicholas Biddle and John Pitcairn unfairly and above it blocks the page so that it does not edit, please could you talk to it. Batalex34 13:51, April 26, 2018 (UTC)Batalex 34 (talk) 13:51, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

I have responded on your talk page. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:27, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

Apology

Sorry for inserting the leaked info, I assumed that it had been released legitimately via that UNILAD video. Won't happen again. — Darth Dracarys (talk) 12:25, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

No problem. Whilst I don't doubt the veracity of the video's content it is best to wait until after Ubisoft's E3 presentation, later today. If the presentation's content supports what was shown in the UniLad video then there's no reason not to update our articles at that point. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:59, June 11, 2018 (UTC)

Enough is enough

He is not aware of what I do, I think he does not understand the information I put and that confuses him, what happens is that he does not know the information I put, does not know what I put, my information is encrypted, I'm sorry, it's better of what I could put, you will have to endure it, because I intend to put and put this information without stopping, even if you block me, and I have defeated you with all my strength. Titanic09 09:11, July 11, 2018 (UTC)Titanic09 (talk) 09:11, July 11, 2018 (UTC)

I don't care. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:13, July 11, 2018 (UTC)

ACOD skills

Hello Jasca,
When browsing, I saw that all the skill tree pages have the word "tree" capitalized, even though it's counter to our MOS that titles follow sentence case. I mentioned this to Raylan13 a while back, thinking he could help since he's Fandom Staff, but he said when he wrote the Origins skill page that he was following the example set by Callum Konstantin's renaming of the Syndicate skill page. If you can, could you please rename (move?) the pages without redirects so that "Tree" uses a lower case "t"? That way, we'll have (a few) less redirects to deal with. Thank you. -- Darman (talk) 04:01, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

Templar insignia renditions

There are other renditions of the Templar cross that are legit. Should they be on the Templar Insignia page? The first rendition can be found in the Glyphs in AC2 such as on Joan of Arc's burning painting on the bottom right corner and in the background of the Russian Revolution.

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Glyph 8 3
Glyph 8 4



The second rendition is also found in the Glyphs of AC2, at the bottom of the Templar letters and with the letters IHSV in the arms.

File:Cross of the Scottish Knights Templar.svg.png
Glyph 9 6



The third rendition is found in the beginning of AC3 when William Miles describes Abstergo Industries as the Templars. It changes from the Abstergo logo to the Templar cross.

File:600px-Cross Templar.svg.png
Abstergo-Templar

So, yeah, these renditions are present in the games. I think they are legit enough to be on the Templar insignia page.

NoMoreVillains (talk) 22:43, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

Alexios LGBT

Hey! I got you some proof that Alexios is LGBT https://youtu.be/E_opw6ToSu0?t=3m39s RooksandBlighters (talk) 03:02, August 17, 2018 (UTC)

The problem with that is that canonically, that is supposed to be Kassandra. Hence, Kassandra is confirmed to be LGBT, but not Alexios, whose canonical role in the story so far is unknown. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 03:45, August 17, 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to respond RooksandBlighters. As I mentioned in my original post, and repeated by Sol here, any gameplay footage depicting Alexios in the role as the playable protagonist is unreliable since we know Kassandra to be the canonical protagonist (as per the novelisation); as such, we cannot yet know if Alexios is LGBT or not, or indeed if he even exists as a canon character. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:06, August 17, 2018 (UTC)

Medjay Aya

What is Aya's tenure as a Medjay (until 49 BCE) based on? Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:41, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

I believe Desert Oath states that she renounced the title following the death of her son in 49 BCE. This is supported by dialogue in Origins which suggests she is no longer actively working as a Medjay, in favour of serving Cleopatra directly. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:45, October 1, 2018 (UTC)
'Belief' is hardly enough proof, unfortunately. But should be relatively easy to check. Having gone through the dialogue in Origins, I'd argue the opposite: Bayek especially, constantly and consistently, refers to Aya as a Medjay, as does her chosen role as the warrior of, in her mind, the rightful Pharaoh, Cleopatra. Near the end of the game, Bayek and Aya renounce that tie, together, with "We are the Hidden Ones." Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:50, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

Battle of 300

I wasn't aware any decision had been made regarding the status of the article. If there is a link outside of the talk page where the discussion originated, a link would be greatly appreciated. Having spent the time to dig through and type up the dialogue for that sequence, it would be nice if it was represented somewhere rather than deleted wholesale, as it is an in-game canon event experienced by players. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:03, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

AC Rebellion

Hi Jasca,
I recently downloaded AC: Rebellion in order that I may complete its Achievements table (sure, I could watch YT playthroughs, but I can't be certain how often they'll check the Achievements tab.). While playing, I noticed that most of the scenes, dialogue, and mission statements for Android users have been abridged and reworded from the same features seen on YT for iOS. I was thinking of writing the alternate transcripts beneath the main one under Trivia. Would this be OK, or would you rather something else? Additionally, why aren't the Standard, Loot, or Legacy Missions included in the Rebellion Memories userbox? Wouldn't they be considered a/n (near-)equivalent to the side-quests in main games? -- Darman (talk) 19:16, October 15, 2018 (UTC)

Opinion

Hi, I could use your opinion on this subject :) Not sure what to do now quite frankly. Kennyannydenny (talk) 17:33, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

See also here! Kennyannydenny (talk) 18:42, October 16, 2018 (UTC)

Aetios' House

While I agree that the second S shouldn't be there, that's the way it's spelled in-game. Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:31, October 19, 2018 (UTC)

Hi there. Crimson, Sol, Sima and I discussed this previously and agreed that dropping the possessive S is the best route forward (and is consistent with the wiki's practice to date) since it's only a grammatical change, and doesn't change the meaning of the subject name itself. The only exception to this is genetic memories, where we'll keep the possessive S if there is one present. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:34, October 19, 2018 (UTC)
Ah, apologies; I wasn't aware of that decision. I'll keep that in mind for the future, when adding in articles. Thank you for the clarification! :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 16:42, October 19, 2018 (UTC)
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