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Hi, welcome to Assassin's Creed Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Sannse (Talk) 13:12, 22 December 2009

Jasca, I'm giving you rollback rights. Maybe it help on your source project, and other things. Make good use of them. -- D. Cello 03:56, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
Hey dude, would you mind telling me what OR means? -- Master Sima Yi 13:46, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
Youre not interested in joining any of the groups, Jasc? -- D. Cello 01:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

"OOU"? oO -- D. Cello 01:12, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

DLC vs. novel

Well, in the novel, it's said that Claudia resigned from the Rosa in Fiore some time in either 1504 or 1505. Yet in the DLC, she's still there and refers to the courtesans as "my girls". And, Ezio's looking to charter a ship to Navarre, while in the novel, he goes to Valencia first. I think that's pretty contradicting. -- Master Sima Yi 19:25, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Navarre is a region in Spain, Valencia is a coastal city. So Ezio would have go travel via Valencia go reach Navarre. As for the Claudia point however, you're probably correct. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 19:40, March 10, 2011 (UTC)


Hey Ducato, here's the paintings you requested! I even included the targets' paintings. The filename is named after the correct title of the painting, so you know which painting is which. (With the exception of the targets' ones, which are simply named after the targets). Out of all these I'm missing four. I've checked everywhere and can't find the last ones. I'll keep checking, though!

Good luck! --THIEF 00:46, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Did ya get this message? --THIEF 11:56, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yeh, I got it Thief, thanks. I'll be looking up the painting descriptions tonight. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:08, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Your opinion

Jasca, I want your opinion on the new template images I made. Check out the usual place, and please post your opinion there. Thanks :D --Juan BlancoReception Area 04:01, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

About offline mode

Thanks for reading my post

Perhaps you're right but what about Da Vinci DLC it is not such thing!

Explain what? Did I make a mistake on an article or something? If I did, I apologize I will try to do better in the future, this is my first Wiki so I'm new to this whole editing and article thing.

I took out that last line because I assumed it was already implied. None of the other messages like the ones for article stubs, ones in need of revamps etc. did not have that last line. I don't see why it's such a big deal that you felt compelled to message me about it.


The user Il Lupo completely erased all of my editing on the page If At First You Don't Succeed... then said his reasoning for it was because I had "awful grammar, but nice try". My grammar was better than his current version, and he blatantly destroyed all of my work and replaced it with his own lackluster work. He purposefully and knowingly instigated a situation.

Just explaining you the truth in the hopes you understand. If you don't believe me feel free to check my version of editing, then his.


First off, sign your posts with four ~'s, kid. Secondly, I reviewed both your version and Lupo's and I have to tell you that what I saw was a better revision over your quality. Stop trying to piss off the Staff just because you got put in your place by a Staff Trainee. It will get you thrown out of here quicker than you can blink. Don't get me wrong, I know why you brought this matter to Jasca and personally, I don't care. Nearly all of your contributions so far have been reverted and removed because of your "lackluster" work. Now, usually I'm the nice guy of the Staff around here, but I don't take it kindly when you try to push people into your own mess. -- Rayne Message 03:48, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
As Rayne said, your edit was terrrible. I would have reverted it had Il Lupo not done it first. He instigated nothing, you created the situation by swearing at hime on your talk page and subsequently got your one and only warning for it. Also, unlike Rayne, I'm not known as the nice guy of the Staff, so coming and complaining to me isn't gonna do much... --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:32, April 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ascendance eraicon

Hey Jasca, I've seen several articles about Ascendance being created or increased, but there is no eraicon for them, it seems like something is missing. So since you posted the other icons, I was wondering if you could do this too. SKYWALKERThe Council of One's Archives 17:50, May 24, 2011 (UTC)


For you hard work on the Cesare Borgia article you have been awarded for your efforts.

{{UserFA|Cesare Borgia}}- Remove code once action is complete.

Enjoy. Assassino de Roma 17:02, May 27, 2011 (UTC)

Fine, I won't put it again, (but if it is a mistake, you have to admit the logos resemble a lot). I'll erase the trivia in the vault page that says the logo is on the walls.

AlexArkham 22:29, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry for posting that, I apologise and hope for forgiveness. I had good intentions but okay....


Yusuf confiramation,-dissecting-the-single-player-demo--a011920-p1.php0

Staff meeting

Hey Jasca.
Cello's been talking with Sima and Rayne on Skype, and they're thinking about a staff meeting over there, tomorrow - i.e, Saturday 11th June. The trial run is at 2200 hours, UTC. Talk to Cello on the IRC for more details about the whole Skype thing. :) Elchzard (Talking is fun.) 17:12, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Adding a new page

Hi Jasca Ducato, I was just wondering if it is worth adding a page for a new character that I know will be appearing in AC: R (I have this information from GameInformer). The problem is that there is not a lot of information in terms of AC: R but there is a lot of information history-wise from wikipedia and other sources about this characters role in Constantinople in that time period. Anyways, I just wanted to ask before I did anything because I don't want to cause the editors and admins any more work. Also, if you would like the source and details so you can add the page yourself then please let me know, otherwise with your permission I would like to add the page. Kaloneous 02:24, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I see this character is adequately covered (since the information at the moment is limited) in a page of his son on this wiki. Sorry to have bothered you about this. Kaloneous 02:27, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Native names

We need to something about these names, JD. Cause the Italian characters do not have names added in their language. We either remove every characters names or add to every characters, or keep the naming only to main characters. What do you think? --VatsaGentek 15:12, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Remove them. The only character who should have the name in his native language is Altair, and only because we have a source for it. Namely, the Revelations facebook teaser from a while back. All other names are speculation. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 19:08, July 11, 2011 (UTC)



I would like to truly apologize for all of my immature and harmful comments toward you on the Wikia while on the account Altzio. I came to you with a stupid complaint about Lupo when really she just reverted the article and saved the Wikia from my previous styles of horrible writing.I am also sorry for personally insulting you and instigating an issue when Lupo just edited my awful work to help the Wikia.

I promise that the immature language and behavior I exhibited on the account Altzio will never happen again.

Thank you,

Nostalgia AC 16:21, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

Assassins Guild

Jasca, we don't know if there's one in St. Petersburg. The Fall doesn't explicitly state there to be one, and I'm not even sure if there were any guilds at the time. That said, St. Petersburg doesn't appear in the comics at all. -- Master Sima Yi 01:04, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, the Narodnaya Volya cannot be considered anything but a guild. As for St. Petersburg, the city appears in the first and last comics. In the first scene with Nikolai and his partner, we can see the Admiralty building in the background. In the last comic, Nikolai is watching the revolutionists in Palace Square. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:10, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures

Master Sima Yi told me you're the person to ask about uploading pictures. Please reply if you think you can help me out JumpInTheFire13 20:42, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

You are... in error.

Guess what? I have books that disagree with you saying 'Realizing' is spelt 'Realising'... They are called DICTIONARIES. Look at that website, search for your wrongfully spelt 'Realising' you won't find it. If you're paranoid and think I constructed that site just to screw with you then go to a library and look at a physical dictionary, and look it up. It is spelled REALIZING.

There, you've just learned a small piece of good grammar.

Foreborn 03:44, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

To my surprise they are both correct, one American spelling and the other British. I've checked that word several times in official sources and with an 'S' it's always been called incorrect. I assumed they'd list all spellings but it appears not. You'd think they would, despite being American products, for completion if for no other reason. I had no idea until today the British spelt it differently.

No-one else here is American? I wouldn't make that statement. Spelling words with 'S' being correct, well, they are both correct, just variations. I really don't think this warrants any further discussion. What say we let bygones be bygones? Life's too short.

Foreborn 17:26, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

As a last note, I really do apologize for my first, rather rude statement to you. I was venting, real life frusterations y'know. Sorry about that, truly.

By the way, I noticed the creation of two articles, Ezio's Son and Ezio's Daughter. I think I remember hearing official information about Ezio having a family, but I don't think his children's genders were distinguished, or the number of siblings.

Foreborn 03:08, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Image Policy Question

Hi Jasca Ducato, I am sorry to bother you with such a trivial question but I want to upload some images for Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood and Assassin's Creed: Revelations but the images in question are taken from a website that states that "Artwork copyright Ubisoft. No portion of this Artwork may be reproduced without expressed permission." on the author's website (an artist at Ubisoft). My question is that does this mean that I cannot upload these images and if not then would a link to the website be appropriate in its stead? I would also like to point out that if this is the case (that I can't upload these images) that some of this artist's work is already on display on the wiki. I would appreciate you thoughts on this and thank you for taking the time to respond to my query. Kaloneous 03:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Can you post a link? As the policy actually says, Ubisoft release their material under a sort of 'trust' clause. This means you can automatically, and without needing express permission, use images from their publications so long as the image meets a set of requirements (all of which are described in the policy). This gentleman admits the images' copyright belongs to Ubisoft, so all you are required to do is attribute Ubisoft and the artist in question, assuming he actually had a hand in their production. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:56, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
Hi Jasca Ducato, thank you for your swift response and I am sorry for the delay in responding. I have looked over the wiki policy and the authors policy and I feel that it wouldn't be appropriate to post these images as they are his concept work which has not been released to the media and relate to AC: R in some instances but here are some unbelievable images on his site though. Anyways, I have been looking over his released work so I may have found an alternative so on his wiki page I am going to add his new website that contains the newly released material for anyone who is interested in it to view (on his website). Again, thank you for all your help and for creating such a complete policy for the wiki. Kaloneous 03:21, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
Hi Jasca, just want to let you know that I have deleted all the redundant and unsourced images I previously uploaded. With your permission, I was also wondering if I could begin deleting all unsourced, unlinked images from the image upload section. I would not delete any images connected to pages, user profiles, sourced images or those by staff members. I went back as far as April of this year and was hoping that I could go beyond that and begin tidying it up. Kaloneous 14:33, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
I see no problem with you marking those images for deletion, as it saves us the hassle of doing it come deadline. That said, I believe your time better spent if you went through the major articles and helped source the images as you come across them, otherwise we risk losing them when the deletion rush takes place on the 10th. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:05, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
Cool, I will begin later with the main categories first and work my way through them, what I can't source I will take note of and leave a message on the talk page of that article. Anyways, if it's of any help you can add my name to the (proverbial) list of helpers come the 10th as I know it will be a hectic time to say the least. Anyways, thanks for getting back to me. Kaloneous 17:21, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

just joined the wiki

mate have just joined this wiki and need a bit of a hand with the rules and stuff saw you and thought you might be the right person .

cheers, bye

New Infobox

Hey there JD. Since you're the infobox expert here, I've got some questions and need your opinion on an infobox I've recently created. Basically, this one's for items (armors, weapons, Pieces of Eden, etc.) and I've been tinkering with it for a bit. I need your opinion on it. This is what it looks like when applied: Part 1. Part 2.

I think the contents are still lacking, and the current ones need some work. Can you find a way to make it usable for all of the items I've mentioned above? So far, it only seems applicable to the Pieces of Eden. Thanks for your time. --WarClown Dial-UpinFamous 15:09, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look/tinker with it and see what I can do. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:20, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

i promise that i will stopDividar97 16:43, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Multiplayer Era Icon

Hey Jasca, got a request for another era icon for you. It's for multiplayer articles, as a whole; so that's Characters, Locations, Modes, Abilities, etc. I think we'll need a new motif for it, rather than using the ol' controller one – something which signifies multiplayer, preferably! xD
Cheers for the time! Any issues/comments, please talkpage me back when you return from wherever it is you are. :)
Thanks again, man! --Elchzard (Talking is fun.) 14:30, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Sir. Meant no disrespect.

Sorry about that. I didn't think it was there before. I'll try to be more careful in the future. So sorry sir

The Great Dog Demon 01:37, September 12, 2011 (UTC)The Great Dog Demon

Subject 16 image

Hi Jasca, sorry to be bothering you about this as I know you've had to do a lot of clean up on Subject 16 images. I have been meaning to add this image to the Subject 16 page for a while now but I thought I'd run it by you first and if it's useful then please add it.
Subject 16 meets Desmond

It is of good quality but if you feel it isn't necessary then I will delete it. Anyways thanks for your time and I hope it's helpful. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 03:02, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's a nice image, but honestly, I don't see anywhere where you could fit it. By all means, try and work it into the article though. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 03:04, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Cool and thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I will try adding it but if it doesn't look right in the preview then I will just delete it. Thanks again. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 03:06, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Hi Jasca, just wondering should this page even exist? -- KaloneousHelpDesk 04:07, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

NomG and nomF

Hey Jasc. War's upgraded the two templates mentioned in the title, but I can't help feeling that the images used for the FA and GA eras don't work at that size. As they're your work, could you possibly fix up something larger for the templates? Cheers :) Elchzard (Talking is fun.) 17:04, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I've gotta head to work in a lil bit, but I'll take a look and see if I can upload something over the weekend. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:32, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
Alrighty, cheers! :) Elchzard (Talking is fun.) 18:41, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
I managed to get it done quickly before I left, there you go. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:53, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
Oh, awesome – Cheers Jasca :) Elchzard (Talking is fun.) 18:56, September 30, 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the reminder regarding sourcing on pictures, I don't know where my head was last night, but I've amended them now.

Again thanks Darth Jadious - Muori col tuo orgoglio, pre quanto vale 08:23, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

New Pages

I get you're planning on making those British Empire and Seven Years War too??-- Odranoelluta 14:35, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Eventually… I've already turned British Empire into a redirect. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:38, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
How come it's not showing then?--Odranoelluta 14:40, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about that =D--Odranoelluta 14:42, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

About Synch Nexus

"This occurs when the descendants next ancestor is born."...didn't get's that related to Synch Nexus?..and whether a subject needs to be in an Animus session or not to achieve Synch-Nexus is not specified explicitely so isn't it questionable whether Desmond achieving synch with Altair in ACII through the bleeding effect plays a role in achieving a synch-nexus?(although you are probably right on this one..I'm just bringing the topic).....but could you please explain the "next ancestor" part?? Also, it has been bugging me a while now..what is an OOU? =D--Odranoelluta 02:29, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

When the next in the bloodline is concieved, the memories of the father and mother are implanted onto that child, meaning that there can be no additional memories from that ancestor.

To put this into relevance, Altair conceived Sef with Maria in that bleeding effect vision, which meant that Desmond's bloodline had moved on and meant that Desmond could no longer view Altair's later memories as they could not be recorded through the DNA. Slate Vesper 02:33, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

What Slate Vesper said. Also, 'OOU' means Out-Of-Universe (whilst IU means In-Universe). Any mention of the games or real life actors or things that happened in real life that contradict the games is considered OOU and has no place in our articles. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:28, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

OOU References

So we should remove Assassination Targets from every Locations Wikiproject as OOU? It doesn't harm the article if it's included, I think-OdranoellutaTalk 10:16, March 18, 2012 (UTC)


I'm not going to start an edit war with I'm just gonna leave this here for you to read.

Stormbeast 17:34, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

That's fine. You sourced the information so I've got no complaint. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:36, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Era icon

JD, remember those collapsible era icons we discussed a few months ago? Are you still willing to working on those? --Vatsa (talkGentek) 14:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I got caught up with renovations at work, so completely forgot about them. That said, I could easily pick up the work again if I use the Fallout Wiki example as a basis. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:24, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
That would be great.. --Vatsa (talkGentek) 16:45, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit to the Lucy Stillman page? It showed that she was in Revelations at the top but why not the infobox? ThomasG2103 (Talk) 16:35, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

Lucy Stillman edit being reverted?

Why did you revert my edit to the Lucy Stillman page? It showed that she was in Revelations at the top but why not the infobox? ThomasG2103 (Talk) 16:36, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

I'm assuming you haven't played Revelations, because Lucy was not in that game. That is why I reverted your edit. As for the eraicon, thank you for drawing my attention to it, I'll remove that now. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:21, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry about that. I have played Revelations but not The Lost Archive. I thought she was in that. And I just assumed it because I saw the Revelations symbol at the top of the page. ThomasG2103 (Talk) 18:25, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
She does actually appear in The Lost Archive, when Clay finds her talking to Warren and discovers that she is secretly a Templar. -- Master Sima Yi 19:33, April 14, 2012 (UTC)

The Templar Ideal.

It seems like the Templars share close ideals very similar to Objectivism(if they really are being both right-winged and atheistic). I have absolutely NO idea if Objectivism even exists in this game's world, but whether it does or not, the vision is still amazingly similar. Still, how would you exactly know they are atheistic or politically sane?

Did the developers say so? Or the writers? Or is it that your apart of the crew?

I see a lot of traits, but ironicly from BOTH sides.

- Templars view religion as their own mindcontrol device to opress the poor as they gain power.

- Assasins veiw it as a beautiful, culturious, tool for them to hide behind while they seek out wicked enemies.

- Templars are mindless military drones that uses symbolism to cover up their dark, army like, ruthless attentions.

- Assasins are sneaky open-minded killers that uses symbolism as art, rather then religion or politics.

- Templars stay close to religious structures at all costs to secure their trust, rank, and military might.

- Assasins usually avoid raligious and political buidings, only using them as quick 'around the corner' hide outs.

So far, Templars are shown to be:

1. Atheists(politically fascist anti-theists)

2. Nihilists(no afterlife)

3. Deists(anti-communists, close relationship with the religious even though skeptical.)

While Assasins are shown to be:

1. Atheists(ironicly moderate, neutral towards religion)

2. Agnostic Thiests(a mixture)

'3.' Omnists(Believes in everything, ironicly leftests)

How would you know which catagory the Templars fall in? Choosing just one would be simply vague, since all three matches them equally. This goes the same with the Assassins. Even though it maybe fake made up history.... why would a history teacher on focus on the statistics of philosophical/idealistic beliefs on a population LONG dead? War! That's real life political stuff, Assasins and Templars in the game don't even care. Why can't this wiki be like any other normal wiki about crazy extremests and just lable these bad guys mentally deranged?

Mercenary Army invading a village with swords? We just think of them as thugs in it for the green.

Terrorists trying to take a base filled with nukes? We just think of them as fanatics blowing everything up.

Communusts invented another deadly weapon? We just think of them as hippy lunatics taking things TOO far.

Nazis come back to invade the world again? Well,... they're Nazis.

Do we EVER think about what's THEIR religion was while we're killing them in these games?..... No.... It's just a BUNCH of fun killing them, and the Templars are not real poeple (The real Templars are, not the ones in game sadly.) The Templar Ideal is just a way to prove their power and insanity, based on a story loosely based on Christain Mythology (extragerated stories, but NOT AS exagerated of how we have shown Pegan/Roman/Greek mythology in other games and movies.) In a manner of speaking, our Christianity never existed in their world.

Finding out the exact religion of either sides would be pointless as finding Atair's birthplace. The Templar Ideal acts as a religion itself for it's extremests. Atheism is NOT a religion. It's like implying not playing football is a sport. It is, like Christainity and Islam, been used for polical purposes, not actually caring for either beliefs. Assasins are not what we call 'moral' as well.

Why does have to have a specific religious/non-religious belief? Why not put nothing at all and remove religious/non-religious affiliations? Was it for the sake of gaming political correctness? If so, wouldn't it be ironic?

We can we just lable Assasins as "Protagonist protecting the would from Templar threats" and Templars "Antagonists that believes in nothing but power and greed", nothing relating at all to relating to words "religious" or "atheistic"? It's a 'GAME,' therefore we should treat it as such. If you play all the games, read all the fictional novels, the story is mearly just "Good guys VS. Bad guys". Nothing at all relating to either politics nor religion.

For example, the Justice League is filled with super heroes. Are the super heroes religious? Perhaps, but do wikis ever find this as meaningful information? Not really. We've seen our hereos around many types of symbolism, (Chritainity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism. Peganism). But NO factual sites ever affiliates them with one religiuos belief, just mystical ones. There is barely even clues of what political belief they lean on.

The Templars are just that, villians of the story. A brute military force using the Templar Ideal as an excuse to make overly long villainous monologues while the Assasins use this opportunity to kill them(Like any other story about Good vs Evil). Religion and Culture is just apart of the art style and politics is pretty much child-like and excuses for Templar's dark purposes.

-From a politically moderate Chirstain, FaustisBoss 00:41, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

If you say the AC series is about "Good vs. Evil" then you clearly haven't been paying much attention to what is going on.
The religious affiliation plays a major role, especially in the first Assassin's Creed and Brotherhood, where high ranking members of different religions are shown to abuse them for their own purpose. This information belongs to the franchise and the wiki, whether it's ajust game or not. The Templars are no superheroes, the fact that most of them are atheists is actually mentioned in the game - on purpose. Same goes for politics as well, since you mention them. AC made references to real world politics all the time (the best examples are the rifts from Brotherhood); they too belong on the wiki.
Also, how Atheists are supposed to be "politically fascist anti-theists" and Deists "anti-communists" remains unclear to me. StPerkele 01:04, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
I won't lie, I lost interest in, and stopped reading this essay pretty quickly... Was their a reason this was posted on my talk page? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:58, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Ilario Auditore

Ilario Auditore is only mentioned in the Florence database entry, where he is only revealed to be a friend of Cosimo de' Medici. It doesn't say anything about ties to Giovanni or Mario. Which is also unlikely considering that Lorenzo told Ezio that the relationship between their families began when Giovanni rescued Lorenzo from the Arno. If you can prove me wrong on the database entries, please tell me what database entry it is mentioned in. -- Master Sima Yi 22:15, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Family tree

Also, I may have a little suggestion for the family tree. Would it be possible to make a full line instead of a dotted line between two people like Ezio and Sofia, to indicate a marital relationship? Usually in family trees it is like this if I remember correctly, while a dotted line indicates that there is no official relationship status between two people, which could work for Ezio and the unknown woman. Do you reckon you could create that or do you find it unnecessary? -- Master Sima Yi 06:17, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got it. Though I have another question. I may have a go at it myself later today, but if I fail do you think you could make a family tree for Desmond? Perhaps if we have some visual presentation of how his family tree vaguely looks like we can dishearten comments such as "ezio must be related to altiar cus he an ancestor of desmon 2 lol" and the like. -- Master Sima Yi 06:58, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
I could certainly make the family tree for Desmond; the problem is that we don't yet know on which side of the family his ancestors come from, and how or when their own bloodlines meet one another, so it'll be a messy affair. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:37, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
I had some time to kill so I went ahead and made a sloppy one in my sandbox. It looks indeed quite messy, and without knowing from which lines Aquilus, Altaïr, Ezio and Connor come from, I doubt it'll be very clear to those who don't understand Desmond's lineage... -- Master Sima Yi 14:07, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Looking good, although I should point out that typically, if an individual is married bu thas no child to that particular husband, they are not usually mentioned in the family tree (unless they are otherwise related to the others). I mention this with regards to your addition of an "unknown man" and "unknown generations" next to Claudia. Plus, the last chart says that William Miles and Desmond's mother are both siblings. Besides that, it looks pretty good.
EDIT: I just noticed your point about the dashed lines. As it's a family tree, individuals that are related by blood are indicated by a solid line, whilst the dashed line indicates those of ambiguous or non-blood relation (such as a marriage). --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:59, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Claudia had at least one child, with Mario's captain of the guard as mentioned in the Renaissance novel. And yeah, I know William and Desmond's mother are shown as siblings, but it's kind of hard to make something appropriate in regards to that connection. And I was sure that solid lines were used for marriages, while dotted lines were used for non-marital relations like Ezio and the unknown woman he had a child with. Personally, I think using solid lines for marriages would help to distinguish them from non-marital relationships. Looking it up on Google, it seems that double lines are commonly used to indicate a relationship. But I will adjust it a bit, if I can. -- Master Sima Yi 16:14, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes, you are correct. I never read Renaissance personally, so I didn't know about that particular birth. With regards to the double lines, I believe you are correct on that; unfortunately the template does not currently allow for it. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:23, April 24, 2012 (UTC)


Hey there Jasca, do you think the Hermeticists fill the need for an Era icon? I was just curious as there are a lot of factions, but the Hermeticists don't quite seem to be fully Templar nor fully Assassin, but they still hold a set of philisophical beliefs and make up a secret order for themselves. Then again, there is the Frater VOV chapter in Project Legacy where Templars are involved.

If they do fill the need, I was thinking a caduceus symbol might fit with them, being followers of Hermes and all. Slate Vesper 19:12, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

I suppose they could have one. I originally limited it too just three so I didn't have people demanded eraicons for the Borgias' or the Ausitore's, but if enough characters are aligned with the Hermeticists, I see no reason why not. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 19:36, April 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Hermeticists Era

Thanks Jasca, it looks really good. :) Slate Vesper 02:23, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Cool. Just a heads up, there's probably gonna be a major change up in how the eraicons work in the near future (assuming I can get my coding to work nicely), so any more request you, or anyone else, have will be uploaded when the changes come into affect. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 02:26, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
Hey, just figured I'd come to you seeing as Liberation has been announced, so I was wondering if you could make an Era tag for it? Something such as 3L to match up with Discovery being 2D.
One thing else I would like to ask is if it is possible that you could change the coding of Altair's Chronicles from ACCH to ACAC, as I figured it would fit better when entering it into the Era section of an article.
Edit: Scratch that ACAC thing, Odra told me how to add it in. Slate Vesper 10:43, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


I get that it might be incorrect on a grammatical level, but then you have the reference straight after the last letter of where the sentence ends and then a period afterwards. All it provides is an unneeded gap, and for any new sentences, there will be a space placed afterwards so that the text is not bunched up together. Slate Vesper 18:31, April 30, 2012 (UTC)


Instead of starting a discussion via an edit war, message me on my talk page next time. I didn't say "Lafayette was a Freemason because he had a sword with the Masonic insignia on it," I said he even has one. The source doesn't mention Israel Putnam being a Freemason either. You can go through this list of pages telling you about Lafayette and the Freemasons. -- Master Sima Yi 18:27, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, it wasn't an edit war... The source you gave made no mention of Lafayette, so you were wrong. As for the google link, that means nothing; just because he was a Freemason in real-life doesn't mean he was one in AC. Until you find a source mentioning Lafayette's name as being a Freemason in AC, I do not believe his name should be on that article (or Putnam's, for that matter). --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 23:50, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
Then shall we also remove the birth and death dates that aren't mentioned in the series, like for Desiderius Erasmus for example? The source only says this: "Prominent figures in the Freemason secret society during the American Revolution include George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Warren, and Paul Revere." This is in reference of what figures historically were Freemasons, not in the AC universe; we don't even know if John Hancock and Joseph Warren will be in the game. The source doesn't say "George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Joseph Warren, and Paul Revere will be depicted as Freemasons in the game." The source applies to what is mentioned in the trivia, not who were Freemasons. -- Master Sima Yi 07:59, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
Well then I'd say remove all names from the article. I was willingnt I let those names slide since the article actually identified them as Freemasons, but since you brought it up I'm going to have to say they should be removed. Also, yes, I do believe the real-world DOBs and DODs should be removed, unless we know they correspond IU; however I understand that is an enormous amount of effort for such a little issue. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:28, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
I am personally content with removing the names from the article as a solution. -- Master Sima Yi 11:33, May 18, 2012 (UTC)


Where and when exactly does it say that the Freemasons transported the Apple to the New World? Because I can't find anything like that, only that Washington "passed it on." And as you said on the Ubisoft forums you weren't sure where it said so either, but only that you recalled it. EDIT: Here you go, it doesn't say so anywhere. My guess is that someone added it as speculation to the Washington page some time ago and we took it as fact. -- Master Sima Yi 19:29, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

It's in the third Glyph.
Edit: Here's the exact text. "The Masons brought it across the sea. George Washington passed it on." Slate Vesper 23:24, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
I've clarified the source on the article. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 00:57, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
When exactly? I really don't see it. EDIT: Found out it was on the blackboard in Pigpen cipher. Could've said so in the first place, guys, but at least now I remember where I read it and that my memory isn't failing me... Glad that's cleared up. -- Master Sima Yi 07:11, May 21, 2012 (UTC)


I'm curious, why did you revert my edits in the trivia section of the article Connor Kenway? The things I stated were all true, given the sources I visited. Supreme Master AssassinIL Mentori 02:48, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

It was both superfluous and original research (OR), which is against site policy to be included in our articles. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:11, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Liberation Era

JD, Slate left you a message a while ago about the AC3:Liberation era icon. Guess you missed it as he'd continued in the Hermeticists era one. Could you make it, with 3L or something in it? And the Utopia one too, I guess--OdranoellutaTalkSig.png 12:34, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed II: Discovery only has a D, so for sake of consistency only an L would be better. Personally I'd prefer to see both IID and IIIL but that's more work than is needed. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 12:43, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, never saw that original request. I'll jump on it as soon as I'm back at my laptop. As for Utopia, I'll worry about that a little nearer release. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:45, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
Vatsa's already made them both. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 15:47, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Denver Incident

Rather than being rude, I just want to discuss with you the probability of Daniel Cross being involved in the DIA Incident. Not only, was he known to be involved in a notable incident in Denver around the same time as the DIA Incident, but there was a witness who sent Abstergo an email in AC1, after the incident.


Who could it be but Daniel? Why would there be a memory on AC: Initiates about Daniel REFUSING to go on assignment in Denver after the incident, if it wasn't him? My edit wasn't simply speculation. We have an almost 100% chance of it being Daniel. Okay, my rant is over. Sorry about that. Just think about it. --Jjacobmartinn (talk) 16:44, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing policy.

I'll think you'll find it does:

"Citations go immediately after punctuation and outside of quotation marks, with no space between the end of a sentence and a reference tag. It must be made directly after that which is being cited, so as to prevent confusion to the reader."

Slate Vesper (talk) 15:32, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

I wrote the policy, I know what it says. It makes no mention of intentionally inserting grammatically incorrect punctuation. The second sentence reads "It must be made directly after that which is being cited"; a grammatically incorrect full stop would prevent that from being the case. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:38, October 4, 2012 (UTC)


Hey hey hey those info were from the official Ac 3 info Jasca here's the link check them by yourself and you'll see the info.. i forgot to add te ref list though.... AnsweratioN Coffee Maybe?Wisdom words 16:34, October 16, 2012 (UTC)


I have added the coding to the Mediawiki page, but you'll have to check if it worked yourself. I see that you are online right now, and I'm a bit busy at the moment. Let me know if it worked or if I need to change anything! -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 18:12, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

DIA satellite incident

I saw you removed all traces from Daniel being involved with the DIA satellite incident. I spoke to Subject 16* about this, and he spoke with Richard Farrese, and told me that things like this are purposefully not explicitly stated to leave it open to interpretation and for players to discuss. It is one of those things that are not explicitly mentioned but is obvious to be true, like the woman at the end of The Chain being Nadya while it is not explicitly stated, and we all know it. Daniel was involved in the DIA satellite incident, they just purposely did not explicitly state so. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 09:33, October 21, 2012 (UTC)


Heey there, Jasca. Just wondering, but why did you revert all the renders back to thumbs? It is inconsistent with the usual way we place our renders on pages, which is without the "thumb-box" around them. I assume you have a reason for doing so :) Also, on a slightly unrelated sidenote: putting "seriously....." in an edit summary does not really read in a very friendly way, so you might want to avoid it. Nesty Contact me! 17:45, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

Floating renders on an article? It looks bad, the idea of a thumb box is to 'place' the image down, actually give it somewhere to sit rather than just floating in the air next to our text. People's complaints that the thumb box were not transparent have been (mostly) fixed, so there's no reason for us to not use them. Also, on a personal note, I believe the articles look much smarter and more presentable with a thumb box. It wasn't mean to read friendly. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:18, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Very well. I can get into that. Also, about the friendly reading bit: Mind your attitude or I will personally block you from the wiki. People have been complaining about your attitude for quite a while. Just so you know. Nesty Contact me! 09:50, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Also, seeing as you wish to do this without the floating renders, I suggest you either change all of the pages that have them in one go, or stop doing it. I don't really mind the way we do the images, as long as they are all done in the same way. I assume you'll understand. Nesty Contact me! 09:55, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm doing this as and when I have spare time, as I'm at work (and on lunch, right now). I don't have hours to spend on here each day, as I did before. So I suspect they'll get done as and when I get to them. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:36, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

If you're both just gonna go back and forth with this, make a forum vote to determine what goes once and for all. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 19:32, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

We weren't disagreeing on anything? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:07, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Activity feed says otherwise. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 20:08, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Well then I suggest you speak to Nesty about that. I was under the impression that she had no opinion on the matter either way, childish reversion indicate otherwise, however. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:10, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
Regardless of that, there are others who are not very supportive of the thumbnails, as I see on the IRC. Thus we cannot make this decision between two people. A forum will be created to determine this, and I don't care by whom. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 20:13, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
I would also like to point out that having thumbs on some articles, and not on others isn't a very good way to go. If we're going to remove thumbs from our articles images, we should do it with every image on our articles. I'm getting sick of these bloody edit wars over childish things like thumbnails, and full stops and crap like that. Whilst your suggestion is not unfounded, I'm not going to create a vote over whether an article should be improved or not every time. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:18, November 14, 2012 (UTC)


Abstergo "Che nessuno ricordi il tuo nome. Requiescat in pace."
You have been banned from the Assassin's Creed Wiki.

We have offered you assistance, patience and trust. We tried to be tolerant of your actions, and yet you still refuse to cooperate. We came to an impasse, and this is how it ends. Let this serve as a reminder that we never forget what we say, and that we are always watching.
May your silence prove to be for the wiki's betterment.

For your stubborn refusal to act as a peer instead of a superior, your childish refusal to abide by certain rules and make votes over decisions that affect the entire wiki, your continuous rudeness and unfriendliness to both regular editors and staff members, I am issuing a three-month-block from the wiki. We have had an avalanche of complaints about you, and have given you new chances often enough. Nesty Contact me! 09:30, November 15, 2012 (UTC)


I based my assesment of the practice regarding subtitles on instances like the one that can be seen in the history for the memory What Goes Around, in which subtitles were deemed to supersede the actual wording. At the moment, it seems like it's a personal preference rather than a rule. Sadelyrate (siniath) 17:10, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Clan Mom

Whoops, sorry about that JD, for a moment I assumed that the leadership over the Kanien'kehá:ka was passed down by blood, and seeing that Kaniehtí:io's database entry mentioned she was being "groomed for leadership", two and two clicked.

I've since discovered that the process of appointing a Clan Mother is based on age and wisdom instead. Slate Vesper (talk) 20:53, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


Sorry about that, JD. While there is nothing official in the policy (which you probably wrote) we usually don't allow images from trailers "because they're shite" and eventually led to "every second [being] captured and uploaded". Sorry about the confusion. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 16:55, July 16, 2013 (UTC)


JD, how is including a link of an image use up the bandwidth of the said server? Isn't it practical ONLY when the link is an image's source URL on the wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment was added by Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk · contr) 12:51, July 30, 2013 (UTC)

When you hotlink an image, all you're doing is providing an avenue to said image; we're not actually hosting the image ourselves. As such, when somebody clicks on that link, they are actually being redirected to the owner's website, which increases his bandwidth usage and subsequently, the amount he has to pay to his hosters.
Normally, this might not be an issue, but if the website earns its money through advertisement, hotlinking to an image circumvents said advertisement, which means he loses money. Effectively, it's a bit like using the back door to get into a venue; you may not be paying the entrance fee (i.e. seeing the advertisement), but the person renting the venue is still being charged dependent on how many people are in the room. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:21, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
If it is like that, then why do you propose a change to the image policies? Nobody seems to care.... with the exclusion being me. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 13:58, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Because it's not fair, or right, for the owner of a website to be deprived of earnings because somebody has hotlinked an image. Most of the objections revolved around the fact that the affect would be minimal (which is a fair enough argument), but that doesn't make it right. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:55, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Do you frankly guess that this is the only place where it happen? It happens in many other websites, in large-scale THAN out small community of users, but your reply will by "But we can reduce our part" as far as I see it, I do feel it more unfair but.... Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 15:57, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
How does what other people do affect whether 1) it's right or not, or 2) whether we should do it. Frankly, I couldn't care less what other people do; I do care about what we (i.e. the Wiki) do. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:04, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I figured you'd say that. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 16:16, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Brian Tyler

We've known about this guy since watching him LIVE at E3. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 18:04, August 21, 2013 (UTC)

Well then stick that source in the article. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:12, August 22, 2013 (UTC)


Just wanted to let you know that I did not revert your edit. I edited it for minors, after you edited it. I think. Since, my comparison said this. Sorry. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 14:05, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see what happened here then; bit of an edit conflict. No worries. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:44, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
It didn't show any warning of an edit conflict. Yet, you scolded me (Kind of :P) That's what hurt me. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 15:47, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
This is what I saw, which removed everything I changed about the article. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:28, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
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