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Stay safe

Hope you and your close ones weren't caught up in what happened today. --Alientraveller (talk) 14:32, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

As far as I know, we're all fine. Thanks, man :) Crook The Constantine District 16:49, March 22, 2016 (UTC)

De la Serre residences

Hi Crook, Wondering if you could clear this up, or point me towards someone who can:
In the ACU novel, Élise says her family has 2 estates - one in Versailles (where the game starts), and one in Paris, specifically in the Île Saint-Louis subdistrict of Île de la Cité. The Paris villa is sacked after the Bastille is stormed, resulting in Élise guarding the house for 11 days to stop anymore ransackers. However, when Arno briefly visits the estate in the Imprisoned and Templar Ambush cutscenes (end & beginning parts, respectively), the map reveals it actually is in the Temple subdistrict of Le Marais. Is this a canon screw-up, or do the La Serres have three estates? Confused... --Darman (talk) 00:51, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like an inconsistency to me - is the Paris villa described in the novel explicitly identified as the place where Arno and Elise meet after the former escapes from the Bastille? If it is, we can consider an inconsistency and ignore the novel (since game canon trumps novel canon). Crook The Constantine District 10:05, April 1, 2016 (UTC)
Yep, and I quote: "Christian was located [...] far away from our villa on the Île Saint-Louis." (p 33); "I was running [away from the Bastille] by now, [...] ready to face anyone who stood between me and my chateau." (p 281), leading to
It was daylight when they came [...] I reached for the pistol, pulled back the hammer and raised it. [A] figure crossed the threshold and came into the gloom of my home "Élise," he said [...] "That's some welcome." – p 297
--Darman (talk) 16:35, April 1, 2016 (UTC)

Trade Table

Hi Crook, Darman.
I'm working on Trade objects & I see it needs a Revamp. I think I made a better chart in my Sandbox, styled after the Weapons charts. If I were to put it in the page, would it be enough to remove the Revamp? I can't seem to add the descriptions in the chart without it looking messy. --Darman (talk) 02:30, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

*hella late reply*
The chart is certainly an improvement, but something needs to be done about those descriptions. If there was a better way of incorporating those into the article, I think the revamp template could be removed. There aren't trade objects in any of the other games, are there? Crook The Constantine District 15:26, May 15, 2016 (UTC)
*late reply myself*
Hmm, adding descriptions....Have to mull over; currently working on Weapons pgs. Oh, almost done the AC4 transcripts (Got sidetracked...for 2 months. Oops?) --Darman (talk) 02:04, May 20, 2016 (UTC)


Is the IRC still popular/active? I'm asking for a friend. No suspicious reason. --Crimson Knight Intercom 23:03, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

My own attendance at the IRC has been spotty, so I'm not the best person to ask (also not the best person to reply apparently, sorry this is so late). There are days when it's quiet, there are days when it's not, I guess? :p Crook The Constantine District 09:13, June 21, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Was thinking about making a brief comeback, but now I'm not so sure. --Crimson Knight Intercom 20:35, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
If you want to make sure it's not quiet, staying away isn't the best idea. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:05, June 26, 2016 (UTC)
Holidays start tomorrow, so I'll probably pop 'round then. --Crimson Knight Intercom 23:01, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

 Where Are You M8

Haven't seen on the AC Wiki in a while. How are things and are you excited for any games this year? Abelzorus Prime (talk) 00:06, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

I am alright, but I got kinda tired of Assassin's Creed, hence my "disappearance" from this place ^^; As for games, not really? I'm currently playing a lot of Overwatch, but beyond that the only game I'm really looking forward is Horizon: Zero Dawn, which is still a ways off (I think that's a 2017 release, actually). How about you? Crook The Constantine District 09:06, June 21, 2016 (UTC)
RIP Crook --Fragment -Animus- 03:43, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
I've hired Ubisoft to organize my funeral and lower my coffin into the ground, so they can let me down one last time :') Crook The Constantine District 16:33, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
Watch Dogs 2 looks good! I think Watch Dogs 2 to Watch Dogs 1 will be what Assassin's Creed II was to the first Assassin's Creed. Same engine and similar mechanics but with a better story, a greater variation in different missions. I'm also interested in what For Honor has to offer but the game I am most excited about is MAFIA 3! I'm a big fan of gangster/organized crime fiction! Abelzorus Prime (talk) 17:13, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

Interwiki links - Flag icons

Hello, Crook!

I would like to know your opinion about it: Thread:206794 (I'm talking to all Assassin's Creed wikis about it).

Best Regards! :) TheCreedX (talk) 17:47, July 28, 2016 (UTC)

Edit Spam?

Hi Crook, Darman here.
Thought I'd pop back in after my summer hiatus & say "Hello". Sadly I may have bad news: scrolling through "Random Page", I came across the newly-created Confederate States. Curious, I checked the page history & saw it had 10 edits in almost as many minutes by the same user on Sep. 12, and that all edits were very minor word rearrangements. Now: I know the actions are 1 week old and that any action now could prove meaningless, and that perhaps I shouldn't be bringing this up seeing as I haven't been here since Aug. 31, but I believe the MoS prohibits making constant small edits, to the best of one's ability. Because of the gap between the actions & this complaint, I don't think it warrants the third warning, but I also don't think it should be let off either. Perhaps just a general reminder, again? I apologize if I'm overstepping my bounds, and if I'm in the wrong for doing this, tell me and I'll make an effort on being less uncompromising about such matters.
I should be here off & on, as life is busier than last year, but you can still reach me on my talk pg.
Cheers, --Darman (talk) 18:15, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

I made an edit to the page about Ezio, adding a section talking about Basic Arms, but it was struck down by an admin. How might I reverse the change?Muhtadi Choudhury (talk) 21:48, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

Made in Masyaf


My name is Sarah, I run the Made in Masyaf tumblr/Flickr page. I'm not overly familiar on how wikias function so apologies if this isn't going to the right place. I wanted firstly to thank you and other contributors for using my images on the wiki, it's a great honour. I use the wiki for reference constantly, so it's nice to be able to contribute to this great resource. 

I've come to ask if there are more or better ways I can contribute images or other services. In particular I understand that my use of dyes on character's outfits can be a problem for images used here sometimes, so that's something I'd be happy to work on caps for if needed. I'd love to have a discussion with yourself or any other contributors to see if there's anything I can help out with. I can be reached at if this is easier

Thank you! 

Madeinmasyaf (talk) 15:08, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

This is a surprise. And I extend my thanks in return, of course - one of our users that provided us with a lot of screenshots left the community sometime ago, so you have been a real lifesaver in that regard.
That's awfully nice of you to offer by the way. If you are fine sticking to the default appearance of a character for your screenshots, that would be helpful to us, because we do prefer to avoid the custom outfits when screencapping like main missions and stuff. Umm, I might need to consult with other Wiki admins on what else we need screenshots of. Thanks for reaching out btw, I've been following you on Tumblr for some time :p
Crook The Constantine District 20:10, September 28, 2016 (UTC)

Re:Antoninus Pius

The Database entry for the Temple of Antoninus and Faustina. The Wikia Editor (talk) 22:32, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the swift response! Crook The Constantine District 21:39, November 13, 2016 (UTC)

"Vatican City"

Well, on that matter, the so-called Vaticano District simply is something different from Vatican City, which of course is the current state founded in 1929. So, why removing the flag and keeping the name? --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 21:54, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Myeah, that is kind of my problem with the article - I don't think any of its content is in any way relevant to the real life Vatican City, so I'm not sure if it should ever have been renamed from "Vatican" to "Vatican City" in the first place. Regardless, I removed the flag because it classifies as "original research", content that does not appear in any of the AC media, which isn't allowed. The user who added all of the flags to the wiki did so of his own accord. Crook The Constantine District 21:59, December 6, 2016 (UTC)
My very personal choice would be for Vatican. Much more sense, no? Oh well, if it gets endorsement it could be renamed back to it then?
As for flags. So do they have to be removed from all countries articles? And should their files be deleted, too? --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 22:26, December 6, 2016 (UTC)
I've been discussing it with one of my fellow mods and at this point, it looks like we'll be changing the article's name to "Vaticano district", which is what it's actually called in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood (it would also make it more in line with the other three Rome district articles).
Flag-wise, I want to say "yes, probably". Just to be 100% sure, ask Sima if you can remove the flag images from the articles (I cannot guarantee he will answer immediately though, but he's one our most senior editors). Crook The Constantine District 22:34, December 6, 2016 (UTC)
I will ask. Thanks. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 22:37, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Nathan being an Assassin

I'm looking at Callum's family tree at this very moment and Callum himself does not have an Assassin insignia next to his name, but Moussa, Lin, Emir and Nathan do. You can see for yourself either on the site or on Aguilar's page. The Wikia Editor (talk) 12:18, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

Oh, my bad. I thought he did have the insignia - I will change it back in a second, then. I have my suspicions that Sophia Rikkin isn't a Templar despite having the insignia, but that isn't really based on anything. Crook The Constantine District 13:44, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

Virginio Orsini

So, as Vatican City has been deleted after all, peraps you could also delete another useless page, Virginio Orsini? This was an article I created by mistake without realizing there already was Gentile Virginio Orsini, and then I candidated it for deletion. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 17:14, December 13, 2016 (UTC)

Done and dusted. Thanks for notifying me :) Crook The Constantine District 17:22, December 13, 2016 (UTC)


I think the Bureau section of the Staff page might need to be updated. Stormbeast was last here Aug.1 and told Sima he was stepping down; Crimson's done off/on edits, but hasn't been seen since late Oct; Alientraveller admits he "only plan[s] to contribute sporadically and uphold [his] moderator duties", but hasn't been seen since early July; and Arcemz seems to have gone dark since mid-August after having said he's "decided to step down from the staff". Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thought you should know. --Darman (talk) 00:30, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

Response to the Heart

Greetings Crookandcharlatan. First of all, thanks for the help. It was my first contribution and the interface was quite difficult to master, but I did my best. Second, yes. In the book they mentioned the Heart as a POE. I leave you with a quote of it. Once again, thank you.

"De Molay had kept it separate from the sword when the weapon was not being wielded in battle, so that in case of loss or betrayal, the two Pieces of Eden would not be taken together".

Cristophorus35 (talk) 23:20, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you for your swift response - I will try and fix up the writing where I can on the article. Crook The Constantine District 23:22, December 15, 2016 (UTC)


Hey, I have just realized I had not yet answered your question and so am amending that. I was removing the Wikipedia link on Francesco's and Jacopo's articles as it simply links to the House of Pazzi article in general, and of course Francesco is a member of the House of Pazzi but he *is* not the House of Pazzi itself (I hope I make myself clear). Since they lack an article on the English Wikipedia though, I see why you reinstated the link. I personally still think it is not the best solution, though. I had even started to create the article about Jacopo on WP to replace the general link but of course did not finish and publish that. Well, perhaps someday I will. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 17:22, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

AC Movie

Hey Crook! Have you seen the Assassin's Creed Movie? If so, did you like it? if not, are you still excited? Abelzorus Prime (talk) 19:48, December 27, 2016 (UTC)

Oh hey, Abelzorus!
Yes, I went to go see the movie on release date; I quite enjoyed it :) I'd been spoiled about two of the deaths in the movie (arguably the two most important ones), but that comes with the territory of being a wiki editor unfortunately (some people really ought to wait with adding spoilers until material actually releases, but whatever). After having read some of the stuff people were saying online, I do agree that the movie has its flaws, so I hope they'll improve on those for the sequel (IF there's a sequel, cause yikes, those reviews and the box office haul aren't looking so great).
Btw, do remember to sign your posts :p Crook The Constantine District 19:33, December 27, 2016 (UTC)
Similar to me I guess, I enjoyed it much more than the critics did, but it did have it's flaws and I think the ending was nonsensical, the way they portrayed the MD Templars slightly pissed me off. If they can make some money then hopefully they make some major improvements. Similar to how the video game: AC1 was improved on in AC2. I'm enjoying the Titan comics though, but I get them per Vol so I'm a bit late. How are you findind the AC Coimcs/Graphic Novels.
Abelzorus Prime (talk) 19:48, December 27, 2016 (UTC)
The comics are a bit of a mixed bag for me. I feel like the Assassins series with Charlotte took a really long time to really grab me; also, I find the art for that series to be very inconsistent in quality (lots of awkward expressions lol), which made it less enjoyable to read. The Templars series I read in a rush cause I needed to catch up on lore, but I really liked that one: very interesting storyline and I'm glad to see more of Juhani and Violet. I have recently noticed the artist sometimes likes to reuse certain panels multiple times, which is a little annoying. Definitely the best one though, imo. Locus is a bit more low-key for me and because I haven't read Last Descendants, I don't know the teens very well - a bit puzzled on where the historic bit with Evie and Henry is going as well. That's my thoughts on the recent comics Ubi has been putting out. Templars comes the closest to matching the quality of the graphic novels like The Fall and Brahman, in my opinion :) Crook The Constantine District 11:36, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Inconsistencies from the Film

Hey Crook, I plan to write a review as well as an outline of inconsistencies in the film as soon as possible, hopefully tomorrow or the day after. Because I intend for it to be as comprehensive and concise as possible, I feel like saving my time and energy on my explanation through that instead, then referring you to it. A lot of the inconsistencies I'm referring to stop just short of being explicit contradictions and are only as such through heavy implications (i.e. they can be resolved but through some iffy explanations).

There are a few glaring ones that are much more blatant, and they mostly revolve around Assassin's Creed II: Discovery, since Ezio Auditore actually visits Spain in 1492 and fought at the Siege of Granada. There's some overlap between Ezio and Aguilar since they were present at the same events, and would've just narrowly missed one another. It's possible it'll turn out the contradictions between that game and the film can actually be resolved under closer inspection, so I'll have to take a closer look.

Like I said, I'll list all of the examples when I write my review, but a simple and major one I can name is that Tomás de Torquemada is a member of the Templar Order, probably even its leader in Spain, in the film. In the game, Ezio learns that Torquemada is ignorant that the Templars and Assassins actually still exist, and is just a fanatic sincerely convinced that Rodrigo Borgia is a true Catholic and that those targeted by Borgia, i.e. the Assassins, are just atheistic heretics that must be purged. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 07:18, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

By the way, where would be the best place to write and post my review/analysis of contradictions? A blog or a subpage? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 06:26, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

I think a blog post or a forum thread would be okay for posting a review, personally. Crook The Constantine District 09:50, December 30, 2016 (UTC)

Do you remember if Aguilar and Maria's execution scene takes place before or after the conquest of Granada? Also more especially if Torquemada's retrieval of the Apple of Eden from Muhammad XII takes place before, during, or after the conquest of Granada. The timeline of this is very essential for me to figure out if there's any contradiction with Discovery or not. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 09:07, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure - I'm not familiar with the Spanish Inquisition at all to be honest ^^; I think at the execution, Torquemada made some grand speech about Granada falling to the Spanish Inquisition, so at that point, the conquest probably hadn't happened yet. Also, I think the trade for Muhammad XII's son might've happened during the conquest, cause I do remember there being quite a lot of soldiers shown fighting, while Maria and Aguilar climbed over a wall to get into the palace complex or something? I'm sorry if I'm not of much help lol. Crook The Constantine District 10:36, January 1, 2017 (UTC)


can I ask you why you keep deleting my edits ugly git from whore mother! This is a wiki and ognunono can do whatever the fuck he wants

Contrary what you seem to think, people cannot do "whatever the fuck they want" on this wiki. Here, we stick to what is canon. Any information that isn't sourced (like those dates you kept adding to Alonzo's article) is removed. And with this fine message you sent me, I think there's more than enough reason for me to ban you. Please keep your antics on the Italian wiki unless you intend to become a serious editor. Good day :) Crook The Constantine District 10:19, January 5, 2017 (UTC)


Hey Crook, I've just started uploading images for the first time ever, and I'm still confused about the difference between JPEG and PNG. Which does this wiki prefer, and what are the trade-offs between the two? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 00:15, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

Uh, well. I don't think there is an explicit policy, like, there's no rule, as far as I know, that states png is better than jpeg and should be used always, or vice versa. So generally, it is up to you. Just remember, if you ever find a better version or you want to replace an image, make sure the extension is the same. You cannot replace a jpeg image with a png one. I figure that's obvious.
With all the images that I have uploaded, I can say the majority of those are jpegs, not png. I've been told png images are "heavier", they use a lot more megabytes or whatever. So, usually I just stick with jpeg because the difference in quality between png and jpeg is more or less negligible. There are two types of images where I stick with png: screenshots and transparent images (renders and the like). I find screenshots look cleaner/sharper in png - I understand DarkFeather uploads screenshots in jpeg anyways, so he has a different preference, but for me, always png. Transparency only works in png, so jpeg does not work for renders - you don't really have a choice for those :P
I hope this was helpful to you. Just as a final remark, while I use png for screenshots that are like 1,920 × 1,080 in size, for small screenshots like the ones you're uploading, it again doesn't "really" influence the quality of the image. It's only on bigger ones that I feel png is superior. Alright, thanks for reading :) Crook The Constantine District 00:41, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
"Just remember, if you ever find a better version or you want to replace an image, make sure the extension is the same. You cannot replace a jpeg image with a png one. I figure that's obvious."
Oh, I wasn't sure if there was a procedure for upgrading an image to a better version such that we are supposed to replace the old one directly. I thought I would just upload a better version, than replace the old one in the article, but both images would still be independent of one another if that makes sense.
Wookieepedia seems to have a strict strict policy which mandates that PNG be used for logos, maps, text, icons, and drawings while JPEG is used for game screenshots and photographic images. What's your opinion on this? Do you think it's a good guideline? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 07:04, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
Well, if you upload newer and better versions separately, the older versions just go unused, which we like to avoid. Therefore, we try to just update images if we find/acquire a better version somehow. Unused duplicates usually get deleted.
As for Wookieepedia, they're free to enforce their policy, but I wouldn't import it to our wiki. Like I said, my preference is for game screenshots and anything that has a transparent background to be saved as PNG. Anything else can be either, really. I'm personally a little iffy on adding rules regarding when jpeg and when png should be used - new users already struggle with the sourcing policy and whatnot, so I don't think it's necessary. Crook The Constantine District 09:44, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
Sounds good ^_^. Thanks for the explanations. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 00:18, January 15, 2017 (UTC)


I had always thought that erstwhile is synonymous with meanwhile though a dictionary search suggests otherwise, but I can't find anything conclusive on it.

However, I worded the sentence as "if Lucy had succeeded in recovering the Apple for Abstergo, the Eye-Abstergo would have failed catastrophically on the day of its launch, and erstwhile, nothing would have been done to prevent the near extinction of humanity from that day's solar cataclysm" rather than "if Lucy had succeeded in recovering the Apple for Abstergo, the Eye-Abstergo would have failed catastrophically on the day of its launch. As a result, humanity would have become nearly extinct from that day's solar cataclysm" because of the ambiguity whether the Eye-Abstergo would have failed because of the cataclysm or because of errors independent of it (i.e. Abstergo sucked at making it).

I thought that wording it as "as a result" can imply that humanity's near extinction would've been because Abstergo's satellite failed, which while indirectly true, can suggest that if Abstergo's satellite had not failed, humanity would have been saved from the disaster. This is not true, as whether or not Abstergo's satellite had succeeded, the disaster would have struck Earth anyways.

The way Desmond describes the vision makes it ambiguous as to whether the Eye-Abstergo would have failed because the disaster just destroyed it anyways or because of errors independent of it. If the former, it's kind of moot and obvious (and we can assume that even if the Eye-Abstergo would have succeeded, it would've been destroyed by the sun anyways). However, I thought the fact that he mentioned that he saw a vision of it failing was posed as an important point in the game, or at least was an important detail even if it's obvious it would have been destroyed by the sun anyways.

If the latter, however, that is, the satellite would have failed because of errors in independent of the sun, then Desmond's meaning would have actually been to especially emphasize how much Lucy's retrieval of the Apple for Abstergo would have ensured everything went wrong. The implication would have been an emphasis on the fact that Abstergo had wasted time and resources on this Eye-Abstergo plan of theirs, thwarting the Assassins' attempts to save the world, and because of their negligence (not because the Eye-Abstergo failed), the cataclysm destroys almost all of humanity.

The erstwhile meanwhile was used also because it is ambiguous whether the satellite would have failed from the cataclysm or independently, resulting in the sequence of events being unclear. If the former, the cataclysm would have happened first, causing the satellite launch to fail. If the latter, the satellite launch failed, then the cataclysm happened. I think "as a result" here would also imply that we know that the cataclysm would have happened after the satellite launch failed, when it could've happened before (or more likely by how Desmond describes it, at the same time). To reflect this ambiguity, I tried to word it in a way that didn't suggest which came first, only that the negligence of Abstergo led to the disaster happening regardless of whether the satellite would have failed or not.

The satellite failing and the disaster could potentially be two independent events or they might be connected, but we're not sure of the latter, so I avoided posing them as events that occurred in sequence of one another.

Thus, because of the ambiguity, and because I wanted to be very clear that we're not suggesting the failure of Abstergo's satellite is what would have led to the near destruction of mankind, because that would've happened whether or not their satellite succeeded, and because I thought erstwhile is interchangeable with meanwhile (not sure anymore :P), I worded it as it was. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 00:14, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Wait, to be exact, I thought erstwhile could be used as a past tense version of meanwhile or at least more like in the mean time. Also, I'm fine leaving your rephrasing as is :), I might be too fastidious with the details haha. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 05:20, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Special Edition

I haven't seen the movie yet so I've only glanced over the novel but I don't think there's anything among the SE extras that stick out. It's behind the scenes and concept art mostly so unless the wiki is crying out for a nice bird's eye view of Abstergo Madrid, readers of the 'vanilla' aren't missing much. Vetinari(Appointment) 20:08, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

I mean, I do like me some concept art :p Feel free to upload it anyways, if you want. We could use an image for Madrid tbh, and concept art is better than nothing. Crook The Constantine District 21:21, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

Database records

Our Database pages are supposed to be exact copies of the texts of Database entries right? Including typos and errors? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 10:38, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

The Database pages function as records of in-game Database entries, yes. However, there is very little point to chronicling every typo and error Ubisoft writers make while writing these. So really, there's no need to use [sic] most of the times: if it's a typo or a grammatic mistake, just fix it. If it's bigger screw-ups, like Jasdip Dhami being referred to as "Jhadsip", it can be pointed out in trivia on the relevant articles. Crook The Constantine District 10:46, January 22, 2017 (UTC)
I see, thanks for clarifying. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 10:51, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

Unprotect category

Hello Crook! Could you unprotect this category, please? Category:Assassin's Creed III I believe it is no longer necessary for her to be protected. :) TheCreedX (talk) 15:33, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

Instead of unprotecting the category, how about I just add the interwiki link? That's why you want to access the category page, right? Crook The Constantine District 15:37, January 22, 2017 (UTC)
Not only that, but anyway, I believe the category should not be protected too. :P TheCreedX (talk) 15:42, January 22, 2017 (UTC)


My bad for all the double-linking. It's because the policy of some wikis is to restart the linking after the introduction and also after the infobox and images. So I wasn't sure whether this was true over here. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 01:52, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

No problem, I've run into that issue on other wikis as well, where they do link to the same article multiple times. You can link to, for example, "Assassins" in the infobox and then once in the main text of an article though, but otherwise, no double-linking. Crook The Constantine District 08:47, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Notes don't use periods

For the full synchronization objectives listed in the Discovery memories, those are fragments, and fragments aren't technically supposed to have periods at the end which signify full sentences. I was even actually going to go through all the memory pages and correct this later. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 09:26, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Worst Inconsistency in AC Ever.

So I did end up paying $2 for "Forli – a Crimson Sunset", the second chapter to Assassin's Creed: Identity, and its timing of events makes no sense whatsoever.

The game never provides any dates for its events. We assumed that most of the game took place in c. 1506 because one of the memories mention the events of The Da Vinci Disappearance, set in 1506, as a thing of the past and because Cesare Borgia is still mentioned as a present enemy, and he died in 1507. The first memories itself is assumed to occur shortly after the Siege of Monteriggioni in 1500, since Lo Sparviero is introduced as the sole Assassin guarding the city after its fall to the Borgia and because it is stated that these first couple of memory takes place several years before most of the rest of the game (assumed to take place in 1506). So far so good.

It all derails in this second chapter, where the Assassins are ambushed by surviving Crows in Forlì. It is clearly stated that this takes place in the immediate aftermath of the finale of the first chapter, and that the Crows in Forlì are the few that survived their destruction in Rome. However, during the mission, it is said that Ezio Auditore arrives with Mario Auditore with the Apple of Eden, hoping to entrust it to Caterina Sforza. Not only did Mario die at the Siege of Monteriggioni, but this mirrors the Battle of Forlì (DLC) in Assassin's Creed II, set in 1488 years before the Siege of Monteriggioni. Confirming this, Borgia soldiers arrive immediately after all the Crows in Forlì are killed, besieging the city. This is aside from the fact Caterina never recovered her control of Forlì after her capture by Cesare Borgia (1500).

So to summarize, the game begins shortly after the Siege of Monteriggioni, mostly takes place after Ezio discovers the Pythagoras Temple (1506), then treats the events of the Battle of Forlì (1488) as occurring about a year after that.

Also, Ezio at the Battle of Forlì appears in his Brotherhood outfit. I don't see how we can possibly resolve this.

P.S. There was not a single mention of the Crystal Cube. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 04:40, January 25, 2017 (UTC)

What a waste, the Crystal Cube was the only interesting thing. Happening after the 1500 makes no sense at all, it has less inconsistencies if it's treated as a precuel. DipsonDP (talk) 04:47, January 25, 2017 (UTC)

Even more! The database entry on Sirus Favero states that his son, Matteo Favero was a Borgia captain in the War of the League of Cambrai before the founding of the Crows. However, that war took place from 1508-1516, and the founding of the Crows occurred around the time of the Fall of Monteriggioni in 1500... Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 07:33, January 25, 2017 (UTC)
Wow, that is garbage. Well, I'm not sure if there's a way for us to get explicit confirmation (I'm not sure who I'd have to contact for that), but since Identity is a side-game, I would ignore any of the information it presents that is in conflict with previously established information. You can note the thing about Matteo in his trivia section - as for Caterina, it seems wholly unnecessary to add the events of Identity to her biography. Again, I'd limit any mentions to trivia or something.
Btw, in what context was this crystal cube mentioned in Chapter 1? Any hints or clarification to its purpose? Crook The Constantine District 08:38, January 25, 2017 (UTC)
"I had entered into a big room and on the wall; a large Assassin Mark was painted. In the middle, there was a dead, bleeding eagle pinned to the wall with a Corvix Blade pointing out from its chest. From the blade hung a piece of paper; with a painting of an almost perfect cube on it. I pocketed the paper and proceeded with the search only to find a small chest under the painting that contains a small shard. I placed the shard back in the small chest and pocketed it as well. I had a few moments to look through the piles of letters and I had spotted a very recent one from Cesare. The letter contained several references to a Crystal Cube and how important this object was for the future of the Templar Order. [...] The little paper with the cube drawing turned out to contain a hidden map of Forlì, and it was filled with curious markings. I was eager to take the map and the shard to Leonardo, but first I needed rest."
That's about it. So it mentions a chest with a small shard as well.
P.S. Your last edit on "Concubines" was perfect ^^ (I was actually about to change it like that in the exact same way lol). Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 09:03, January 25, 2017 (UTC)
It's not even in the game itself, and I completely missed the reference to it the first time. It's only mentioned in Machiavelli's journal on the aftermath of the last mission. You can't really tell what happens in the story from playing because you're just told to kill people, tail people, steal things, etc. without much context. There's never any spoken lines either. Instead, the only way to find out what actually happened in the mission you just played is by reading Machiavelli's journal of the mission afterwards, which always describes so much detail that never happened when you played it lol. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 09:06, January 25, 2017 (UTC)


Hey pal, been quite a while. Hope all is well. --Fragment -Animus- 05:13, February 1, 2017 (UTC)

Indeed it has; thanks for the message, I'm doing okay :) Trying to finish my bloody education this year, fingers crossed I can make it happen. Hope you are well too! Crook The Constantine District 20:25, February 2, 2017 (UTC)

Hello there

Hey there. How have you been doing? It's been a while since we last talked.

I thought to stop by as I've recently been interested in the whole Assassin insignia matter. I noticed you undid 432O1's contributions, who had added, well, the rendition of the logo as it appears in the Assassin's Creed: Syndicate game.

Now, I do understand that we must strife in order to keep apart in-universe facts and real-world installments of the series, and that's perhaps why you deemed improper to keep that image as the crest of the British Brotherhood - however, I have been wondering: how do other crests differ from that one? I mean, let's just take the Colonial Assassins insignia. That's, by all means, the logo of Assassin's Creed III, yet it has been assumed it also was the insignia of that brotherhood. So how does the Syndicate emblem differ from that? For this reason, I think that perhaps the removed image could represent the British Assassins. Please let me know if I've missed something in my reasoning. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 22:13, February 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hey Piero, I know you didn't ask me, but I thought I could give my thoughts on this as well. :) I think that there is no reason that the logo for a video game should be taken as the official insignia of the respective Assassin branch if there's nothing that specifically says that is that branch's insignia. In particular, I had assumed the three stars for the American insignia represents that the game is Assassin's Creed III. I would like to provide the example of the French Brotherhood insignia, which is not the same as the Assassin's Creed logo for Unity, which has a slash across it to represent the guillotine. I think even a single instance where we know the logo and the insignia are dissimilar disproves that the logo should be taken as the branch's insignia by default. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 23:36, February 13, 2017 (UTC)
Hello Sol :) That's exactly my point: what is the difference between the American / ACIII Insignia, and the "British" / Syndicate Insignia? In both cases, we aren't quite sure that really is the branch's crest. Yet it has been taken for granted for the American one! --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 22:43, February 17, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, for that reason, my position is that the Syndicate logo shouldn't be used as the British insignia either then. However, a little update: I just discovered that in The Essential Guide, they do at one point show the Unity logo as an example of a branch-specific Assassin insignia... Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 23:01, February 17, 2017 (UTC)


Hey Crook,

Was the Arno situation regarding the movie ever discussed? I figured it would still be added to the Trivia section as a theory even if it was decided not to add it as a fact. DipsonDP (talk) 01:39, February 28, 2017 (UTC) 

Just checking in

Hey Crook, WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!?! D:< Ahem... now there's no regular admin presence around to speak of ;-; *sobbity sobs* Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 01:48, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

Eric Cooper image

HELLO pal i am reddit stupid nd basically that img of eric cooper from my post (hi it me connor) was obviously limited by the size of tumblr!! the one i got from mr nadiger sir was bigger and id totally love to send u the best quality one possible for the Wiki Good but idk how pls help. 


Hey Connor!
Hmm, I suppose the quickest way would be for you to update the image yourself. If you go here, you'll see an About tab and a File History tab below the image. The About tab will be open by default, but you'll want to be in the File History tab. Then, all you have to do is click "Upload a new version of this file" at the bottom. You'll be sent to a new page (just ignore the bit of text at the top) where you can select the file from your own computer and then upload it.
Alternatively, you could send me the picture via Reddit (I'm actually not 100% sure you can send images through reddit's private messaging, but I hope you can :p). I have the same handle on there as I do here, so it shouldn't be too hard to find me.
Thanks for your help :) Crook The Constantine District 08:58, April 2, 2017 (UTC)


Dear Crook,

I'd like to start by saying how useful I find this wiki and have acessed it many times in the past. It seems you guys have a good system of keeping things from going bad around this site. I'm a user on a rather obscure wiki that's been holding up well. I heard of you through someone and was wondering if you could assist me in introducing some minor, but significant improvements to the wiki. To be honest, I'm a little new to wikis and notice ones like this have tags on the top of pages that say Speak sense Templar or not at all if the page is considered non-canon and Where are the paintings if the page needs more pictures. The tags are useful for notifying veiwers of whatever the tag suggests along with a quote. Unfortunatly, I don't now how to create those tags. If you can help, I would be grateful, if not, thanks for listening anyways.

From, Roosevelt the Hunter. April 18th, 2017

Hey Roosevelt!
I'm gonna have to disappoint you: these templates were already in place by the time I joined the wiki, so I actually couldn't tell you much about how they work or how to add them. My bad :( Crook The Constantine District 16:42, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm butting in, Crook, but I think I have the answer. Roosevelt, on one of the many times I've got lost on the Wiki, I found the Templates category page that has the various banners (Speak sense, Paintings, Non-canon, etc.) as page headers. Just click on the links to verify the template is what you want, then click "Edit". You'll only see the code if you're not logged in, since it's restricted to Wiki users, but you don't need to edit it: you just need the code. You should be able to copy it over to your wiki, but you'll want to double check (somehow?), just in case. Assuming you can copy it, you'll also want to change the text & icon to something more appropriate to the theme of your site. Hope this helps! Darman (talk) 23:25, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that

Dear Crook,

I apologize for my silence, as my account did not notify me of any reply. I do not know why, but it just didn't. Fortunately, I have managed to get the templates need for my wiki through someone else and will apply them accordingly. To be honest, I kind of asking on other wikis as well. Regardless, thanks for the help anyways.

Roosevelt the Hunter (talk) 04:42, June 1, 2017 (UTC)Roosevelt the Hunter May 31st, 2017


Hello Crook, could you "revive" the Medjay article you deleted earlier please. It wasn't big but it would be a shame if it got lost Maxattac (talk) 14:51, June 12, 2017 (UTC)


Well Origins iz tween 5th Dynasty an Cleopatra VIIAkame_of_the_Demon_Sword_Murasame村雨(Talk) 16:28, June 14, 2017 (UTC)

The time period may be right, but the Khenut in-game does not strike me as a Queen consort. At this moment, I find it too speculative to conclude that in-game Khenut and the real-life Queen Khenut are the same person. Crook The Constantine District 17:02, June 14, 2017 (UTC)
It's not just speculative. There's absolutely no way the Khenut in the game can be the same as the Queen Consort of the 5th dynasty because that was more than 2,300 years before the game's setting. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 07:52, June 16, 2017 (UTC)
That's probably the first thing I should've checked. Thanks, Sol /D Crook The Constantine District 08:38, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

Taking images from AC Wiki of other languages

Hey, I noticed that the French AC Wiki already has articles of all the Unity weapons complete with images with the backgrounds properly removed. They are also all of higher quality than I can obtain at the moment. I wanted to know if it is fine for me to simply take the images from the French site, given that they're ultimately sourced to Unity anyways. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 08:29, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

The French wiki has used images from our wiki in the past, and vice versa, so I'm sure they wouldn't mind. Usually when I use an image that originally comes from the French wiki, I try to link to whoever uploaded the original image in the image's description, as a form of courtesy, you know? It's not something you have to do though. Crook The Constantine District 08:38, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

Removing Infobox policy

I'm not sure if you've read my last reply to you on our recent discussion, but here is a good example of the "follow the leader" procedure of deciding manual of style and new changes. We have a user who is taking the initiative to remove infoboxes from many articles of minor characters without a discussion on this ever having taking place, and you, yourself, seem to have chosen to affirm it by reverting back when some anon tried to revert those changes. I think this is the same thing as with my removal of "unknown" for unknown birth dates. It's a matter of manual of style and formatting, and someone is taking the initiative, and whether it stays or does not depends on if others, admins or no, decide to go along with it or oppose it. As you said, it's a bit of an arbitrary means of deciding manual of style. I understand it, having done it myself, as just the natural way things would be gone about without proper, official procedure, but I just wanted to point this out as just an example of what we were discussing. Master Sima Yi had told me before that every character should ideally or at least preferably have an infobox provided that at least two parameters could be filled. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 14:30, June 19, 2017 (UTC)

Locking "War on Terror" and "Cold War"

Crook, do you mind locking the pages War on Terror and Cold War from unregistered users? Anons have been continuously messing with them for the past several days, editing more than dozens of times. While it's not clear the edits exactly constitute vandalism, the edits do seem arbitrary, counter-productive, and edit-war-like. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 19:57, June 27, 2017 (UTC)

Sure thing. I gotta say, the infoboxes on those pages look really bad :/ They're trying to convey far too much information that doesn't really come from AC itself. Crook The Constantine District 20:03, June 27, 2017 (UTC)
Yes exactly. :-/ I don't know how best to handle them due to a convention of applying details necessary to convey basic information about these subjects that have real-world counterparts. I thought about offering this article up for deletion, but because it is mentioned in an AC source, so far, I've just winged with it... but I don't know. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:10, June 27, 2017 (UTC)

Collector's Edition Game Guides

So, i have a question. I have been adding missing book here, i added all missing artbooks already, and now i am adding all game guides + doing some clean-up for already being ones there. But i have been adding CE guides with extra pages to ACO, ACU, ACS and ACR guides same way as for art books, so simply add info that CE exist, list its content, add it cover... to page of main guide/art of AC as you can already see it at (ACS ,ACU ,ACR ,AC3 guides). Still need to create pages for AC4 and AC:Rogue game guides + clean-up AC2+BH.

But AC2 and ACB have already CE game guides as separate pages, and i think it is not worth having it for just these 2 games separatly, when we have everything else in main page. So i think we should delele these 2 pages: and add this info as for other guides to main page..

( Assassin's Creed II: Collector's Edition Official Game GuideAssassin's Creed: Brotherhood Collector's Edition Official Game Guide )

So what do you think? Kulurak (talk) 14:12, June 29, 2017 (UTC)

Sure thing. I can delete the pages once you've transferred the information to the general game guide articles for AC2 and ACB. Crook The Constantine District 14:30, June 29, 2017 (UTC)
Ok, done. So you can now delete them. Kulurak (talk) 07:02, June 30, 2017 (UTC)

Ubisoft-partnered Origins redesign

Hey hey :) As Raylan13 mentioned to Master Sima Yi last month, FANDOM have partnered with Ubisoft to give AC wiki a main page redesign for the release of Origins. That mockup is now complete and received Ubisoft's approval yesterday. You can see it at our sandbox. While it's mostly feature complete over there, you will find the odd thing that will work better once it gets ported over here on the live wiki. In particular, there are some navigational elements that depend on the category tree that exists here but would be needlessly time-consuming to replicate on a sandbox wiki.

That's why we'd like to implement here over this weekend and then tweak it with your help. So please take a look and see if there are any major issues you have with it before we bring it over. Once we get it over here, you can look it over with a more detailed eye, and we can take your concerns back to the Ubisoft reps to negotiate the final, locked design.

Sound like a plan? -- CzechOut @fandom 21:49, November 3, 2017 (UTC)

ACO concept art

I see that you worked on most if not all of the ACO concept art files here on the wiki so here is a compilation of ACO concept artists that might be useful. Nanomat (talk) 20:49, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

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