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Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. Vatsa1708 (talk) 17:27, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Nobles category

Hey Bovkaffe,

Firstly, welcome to the Wiki again :) I know you're not really new, but I figured there's no harm to it. Now, I've seen you post a message on Vatsa's talkpage; he's on here occasionally, but sometimes it takes a little for him to reply (from my experience anyways, which admittedly, has been limited). Your 'nobles' category was probably removed because it was quite broad and not all that needed. I know you're a prolific category maker, but in the future, try to keep in mind whether the category is concrete enough and doesn't encompass half the universe's characters (I'm exaggerating, but you take my point?).

Alright, thanks for reading! You might want to go to Sima or Nesty (or any senior member really) for questions next time :) Crook The Constantine District 22:30, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Privateers and Royal Navy personnel

I wanted to talk to you about this rather than having an edit war. Privateers are not Royal Navy personnel. They are effectively private contractors who are authorized by a given government to attack foreign vessels. Just like you wouldn't say that the Hessians were British soldiers, you wouldn't say that privateers are Navy personnel. Is there a reason you want to call them that?

(Also, since he's already in the privateer category, that's what you'd want to work with, not Edward's specific page.) -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 22:05, March 8, 2014 (UTC)


When you're done adding the omitted details to the AC4 memories, could you also sweep through AC2 and onward? I started cleaning them up but never got far. AC1 is pretty much complete, since I made every memory page for it personally. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:07, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Rhona Dinsmore in novel?

'ello Bovkaffe,

So on Rhona's page, it said she appeared in the Assassin's Creed Black Flag novel and when I checked, I saw it was you that added that bit of information. If that's so, to what extent does she appear? Like, is the topic of the Templar Hunt brought up or is it just the brief moment in 1722 where she's given the Crystal Skull to safekeep? Is any new information given on her? And for that matter, do any of the other Master Assassins (Opia, Anto, Upton and Vance) make an appearance? Sorry, I'm just curious :p Crook The Constantine District 00:45, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

She only appears when Edward is tracking Torres. And there's no new information about her, sadly. Antó is never mentioned by name, and he doesn't speak either. Opía, Vance and Upton don't appear, since the Templar hunts are omitted.Bovkaffe (talk) 08:07, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

A Single Madman Dialogue

Hey Bovkaffe, it's me again. So I added some dialogue that was missing to the A Single Madman mission, but I couldn't for the life of me hear the lines you included for du Casse. I've replayed the mission several times now but I can't seem to trigger them :s Do you remember in what situation du Casse says this:

What's happening there? See that the cargo is secure! Move your ass and do your job, (son of a bitch!)

Cause I don't know how to make him say it :P I just wanted to double-check and see if that dialogue is actually correct. Thanks for reading, get back to me when you can :) Crook The Constantine District 18:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Really? Well, he says it when you're approaching him on El arca del Maestro.Bovkaffe (talk) 18:42, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Bizarre, I've not heard him say that ever, I don't think :s Is it before you enter the yellow bubble/circle? Do you need to approach from water or from land? (sorry if the questions seem silly) Crook The Constantine District 18:49, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Not sure. I just checked a walkthrough on youtube, and you can hear Julien. I think he starts talking once you've spotted him (you know, eagle vision).Bovkaffe (talk) 19:06, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Some things.

Ben Hornigold and Ed Thatch both received Letters of Marque from the British monarch Queen Anne, permissing them to attack and plunder ships belonging to rival navies, before the Treaty of Utrecht came into effect. By extension, as royal privateers of the British Crown, they can be considered under the Royal Navy.

Also, I am a little confused why a category denoting dukes, a masculine term, is used upon Charlotte d'Albret, even though she was Cesare's wife. Would it not make more sense to perhaps alter it to "Duchy of Urbino", despite a duchy being the lands held by a duke or duchess? Slate Vesper (talk) 00:07, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

The reason I was unsure about Thatch and Hornigold was that Molotov.Cockroach made a good point about Privateers(further up the page). Regarding Urbino; I created that cat because Sima had categorized several pages as such. I wouldn't have a problem with a name change.Bovkaffe (talk) 13:38, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Edward Kenway

You seem to undid my edit on the page without leaving a reason in your edit summary. So can I ask why? ---TacticalMaster (talk) 22:41, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

I had meant to, but Í'm not sure what happened, and I had already undone your edit. The reason was that optional objectives mean full synchronization. The way the ancestor did it.Bovkaffe (talk) 08:54, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

The optional objectives are merely just extra mission goals and although it means "how the ancestor did it," the main focus on his background is on the game's story and not on gameplay itself. That's why I made that edit to remove it until you undid it. ---TacticalMaster (talk) 09:12, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
The game's story and gameplay will inevitably overlap. Full synchronization also allows one to be far more specific when writing articles.Bovkaffe (talk) 09:21, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Fine. Whatever. All I'm saying is that gameplay is unimportant for a character's background but it's unclear how does that line I attempted to remove make sense with the main story, as it's just only registered as "side objective." ---TacticalMaster (talk) 10:10, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Because it further explains what happened and it also shows Edward's lack of interest and ambition. Like I said before, it elaborates on what happened.Bovkaffe (talk) 10:15, July 18, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Bovkaffe, where does it mention the slaver's name as Trevor in the memory A Slaver's Business? From what I can see, there is no mention of "Trevor" in the dialogue. Slate Vesper (talk) 21:19, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

If he escapes on his ship, and you then board it, the objectives list says "Kill Captain Trevor".Bovkaffe (talk) 09:02, July 19, 2014 (UTC)


I'm sorry, I'm not trying to start an undo war with you, but I think Orelov should be in a category that reflects his betrayal, even if he did not join the Templars. In addition, the category clearly specifies that the individuals whom are referenced in it deserted the Brotherhood and that some of them have joined the Templars, but not all.Maxattac (talk) 22:36, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Inner Sanctum

Italics maybe did work, but wouldn't you think that the templar emblem would increse that list's readability? - Sligneris (talk) 11:42, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Not really. I just think the list looks better with italics, rather than an emblem for every Templar.Bovkaffe (talk) 11:48, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

There are also Templars working at Abstergo who are not members of the Inner Sanctum. Kind of odd to not include a Templar insignia for them. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 18:14, August 8, 2014 (UTC)


Where are the dates of birth and death for Pythagoras and Damo from? -- Master Sima Yi Talk 18:14, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

I checked the different language versions of the wikipedia articles.Bovkaffe (talk) 18:22, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Triple agent

"A triple agent pretends to be a double agent for one side, while he or she is truly a double agent for the other side." - from Wikipedia

Lucy never pretended to be the double agent for Assassins - just an agent, since the Templars decided to pretend they didn't know of her background.

First, she started out as an Assassin agent in Abstergo, simple as that. When her allegiance shifted, she became a double agent for Templars - pretending to Assassins she was an agent for them.

She would be a triple agent, if she was loyal to Assassins and ultimately deceived the Templars, but that wasn't the case. - Sligneris (talk) 20:22, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, point taken.Bovkaffe (talk) 20:29, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Haytham arrival in America

Hey Bovkaffe,

So, I don't remember when, but I think you posted a comment on one of the blogs, saying the Rogue demos were taking place in May 1754, right? And you said that Haytham wouldn't have been in the colonies yet at that point. I was looking at Haytham's article, but it doesn't say what month he arrived :s Could you get back to me on this? If it's true, we should try and contact the developers behind Rogue so they can fix it (I'm not even sure if that's possible but I figure it's worth a shot). Crook The Constantine District 16:57, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

It's said so in Forsaken. But for some reason, Initiates claims that it was even later.--Bovkaffe (talk) 17:07, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I just checked up on the Welcome to Boston memory (which I should've done earlier tbh), which says he arrived on the 8th of July. Is that date from Forsaken or Initiates? And when does Haytham arrive according to Initiates? Crook The Constantine District 17:11, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

That date is from Forsaken. Initiates doesn't say anything about it, but it claims that he was still on the Providence on the 14th July.

Fantastic >.< You'd think they'd keep track of something like that. So all we know from Initiates is that Haytham supposedly arrives place after the 14th of July? Crook The Constantine District 17:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, and that he killed Louis Mills on 14th of July.--Bovkaffe (talk) 17:31, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

What? Mills' page says he died in late May D: I assume that date is also from Forsaken?
These are the times I wish I had a telephone line to the Ubisoft offices to tell them to get their shit together. Crook The Constantine District 17:37, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
This is one of those instances where I usually say that game info should take precedence over side media. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 17:42, August 17, 2014 (UTC)


Please note that you need to source any and all images you upload to the wiki in accordance to our image policy. For more information on how to source images, check this page. Also check the information about naming images appropriately. Badly named or unsourced images will be deleted. Feel free to reupload your deleted image with proper sourcing. Thank you. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 01:03, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Oh my, I didn't think this would come about, Bov. :S Slate Vesper (talk) 23:48, August 26, 2014 (UTC)


Since Chiyome's birth and death dates are very debatable, where'd you get them from? -- Master Sima Yi Talk 23:09, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Several sources claim that she was born around 1540, and that she is mentioned from 1540 to 1582.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:12, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to say that there are more sources who claim her dates of birth and death are unknown, and there are just as many who say she died in 1580 as she did in 1582. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 23:14, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Images 2.0

Since when? I would assume since the image policy's inception. We don't add images for the sake of adding images. Also, Commons Wikimedia is not a viable source for images. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 16:42, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

I'm simply adding those images to the articles because they're tiny, and they also provide info on the characters. As for the Wikimedia images, I've only used images that were practically identical to the ones used in Assassin's Creed media.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:47, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't find "because they're tiny" a very compelling argument :/ Those treasures recovered by Alonzo are not very useful in illustrating an article on an individual. If there's important information on the invidivual in the treasures' description, that should be added the article though. But I don't see much use in adding an item of the indivual to the gallery. It's not like we'd add the image of Jeanne's locket to Aveline's gallery or the image of the Assassin tomahawk to Connor's article. Crook The Constantine District 16:55, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, fair point. But the golden tooth should remain on the l'Olonnais' page, since it's a part of him. I also think a lot of the images would be useful for the Aztec and Maya pages, probably in gallery pages.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:58, August 31, 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for seeing eye-to-eye with me back there and undoing your edits (seriously, that takes some commitment), though I probably could have simply reverted them and minimised the hassle. Anyway, I may have seemed a bit gruff earlier, but I appreciate you taking the time to undo that many edits. --Crimson Knight Intercom 19:52, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. You're alright.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:54, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

*hugs Bovkaffe and then flees* Slate Vesper (talk) 21:17, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Borgia captains

Does one of the books, or the Encyclopedia, say when all of them died? Or is this another database entry I forgot to read? Stormbeast The Helpful Place 22:55, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

This is judging by the availability of the areas in the game.--Bovkaffe (talk) 22:56, September 26, 2014 (UTC)'re speculating that some were killed in 1500, when they could have been killed anytime between 1500 and 1503. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 23:00, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
Sima came up with it. It's based on the fact that those areas weren't available until a certain point in genetic memory.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:02, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
I'm talking about the early ones. The only one we know Ezio killed on a specific date, as far as in-game, is Iacopo de Grassi. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 23:06, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
You can kill those as soon as you've arrived in Rome. So they're unlocked then.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:10, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
Not all of them. At least three or four towers are inaccessible until later sequences. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 23:55, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, that's what i was saying before.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:58, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

I'm willing to support Bovkaffe here. It's not inconceivable that Ezio would kill the Borgia Captains as soon as he could. --Crimson Knight Intercom 23:11, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

Braddock as Templar turncoat

Forgive me for being sceptical, but what you're saying is not made obvious in the article. Just because Braddock acts against Haytham does not mean the former has betrayed the Templar Order - seems more like a vendetta against Haytham than anything else. Besides, he still wore his Templar Ring. Is that not proof that he considered himself a Templar still?

As I have not read Forsaken, this is all I know. Please elaborate on what Haytham has to say on Braddock in it, cause without any strong arguments, I'm disinclined to believe you. Is it ever explicitly said that Braddock left the Templars? That should be the main criteria of categorizing somebody as a "Templar turncoat" (even if I'd still prefer it if the term was used exclusively for those that betrayed the Templars and joined the Assassins). We should also consider that Forsaken is written from Haytham's point of view; he might be biased. Crook The Constantine District 21:47, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

[1] It says here: A Templar, Slater, like your boss. He sneered. Your lot have no attraction for General Braddock any more. Just as I’d suspected. That was why he’d been trying to sabotage my efforts to recruit a team for Reginald’s mission. Braddock had turned against us.--Bovkaffe (talk) 22:10, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Very well; would you mind adding this to the article more explicitly so that such future confusion can be avoided? Crook The Constantine District 22:15, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

RP Forum

Hey, I can see you're really active in the Assassin's Creed community was wondering if you were interested in joining a roleplaying forum with me and another writer?

If you don't know what it is its basically writing an OC story with someone else using your character. Feel free to check it out, and let me know!

Here's the link, it'd mean a lot if you'd try it out, we're trying to get more people to join.

Thanks! ~bluepower (formally known as Dianna's Lover, I have a story up on the AC fanfiction wiki called Destiny. Just so you know this isn't spam xD)

BluePower (talk) 20:37, October 18, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but no thanks.--Bovkaffe (talk) 20:43, October 18, 2014 (UTC)


Before I revert several of your edits involving adding Rogue to multiple pages, I'll ask you here what your source is. If it comes from leaked footage, it will be reverted. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 20:38, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean "we don't do that"?--Bovkaffe (talk) 21:24, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

I would have hoped my first message got the point across. We do not post leaked material. You can wait the 5 days for Rogue and Unity to officially come out. Continue to do so, and you will receive an official warning. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 21:25, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
On one hand, I get it, we can't source it if it's not publicly available yet. On the other hand, it will be in what, five days? And nothing will change in that time, voice actors aren't suddenly gonna switch or something. But do as you please, you two. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 21:26, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think there's much use in putting up links to videos of leaked footage that might be deleted in the few days before the official release. Crook The Constantine District 21:27, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

WHY do you DELETE all my screens?


Like i said in the edit summaries, none of them were sourced.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:27, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

How source ! Napoleon as a Consul (from yesterday) is my screenshot . Juraj103

Yes, but you got that screenshot from Assassin's Creed: Unity, so that's the source.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:35, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

When i write dat , i can use that screenshot? ¨

Was it from the game, or was it taken from a site?--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:39, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Napoleon screenshot is from the game, the rest Juraj has uploaded are promotional ones, so they can't be sourced with Assassin's Creed: Unity.
Juraj, every image you upload has a description. Images need a source if they are to be used on the Wikia. To properly source an image, use the information template. If you have questions on how to do that, leave a message on my talkpage. Crook The Constantine District 16:43, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Screnshot from Myself game 

One Little Victory

I meant to say "link", not "like". So yeah, why link 'magic lantern'? I don't think it has any particular relevance :s

Oh, and since I'm here, could you update your link to the Unity novel when you find a complete version? I can't access all the pages... I'd love to read the book in its entirety. Alright, thanks for reading! Crook The Constantine District 17:44, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

The magic lantern also makes an appearance in AC3, where you have to operate one in order to open doors in the Freemason tunnels.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:14, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Ooooh, right. Still, I don't think that really warrants an article of its own :s Crook The Constantine District 18:17, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Davenport Homestead home to Liam and Shay?

What dialogue hints at this, Bov? Not that I doubt your word, but I don't remember hearing that during my playthrough (if it's on one of the memory pages I've already done, then I'm totally derping here) and I'm curious :3 Crook The Constantine District 13:47, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Well, Hope says that maybe she and Shay will meet for dinner after training, and Liam and Shay talk about how sad it is at the Homestead with Abigail and Connor dead, suggesting that it's where they spend their free time. Much as Connor did.--Bovkaffe (talk) 13:49, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


Why don't you get yourself one?

Or give me ideas for one. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 19:12, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks for the offer, but I think I'll just stick with the Russian Assassin insignia.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:29, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Except you're not using it. All I see is an anon silhouette. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 19:31, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

I know, but I am now.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:33, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Also, which AC4 locations lacks images? I know of FC ones, I'll get those up soon. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 14:44, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
Salt Lagoon and Matanzas. Crook The Constantine District 14:49, December 18, 2014 (UTC)
'Aight. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:17, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Reverted edit to Palais de Versailles

I've reverted your edit on the Palais de Versailles article. Whilst you are correct that this is not a French language wiki, this wiki uses the in-game Database names when referring to landmarks. In this case, the Database entry is under "Palais de Versailles". See Category:Landmarks in Rome, Category:Landmarks in Constantinople etc. for further examples. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:47, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

Since when was this a policy? Just because pages made years ago were named in that manner, doesn't mean it applies to all other pages. For instance, in Brotherhood, the Colosseum is referred to as Il Colosseo, but it's also referred to simply as the Colosseum. Besides, not even the database is consistent. In Revelations it interchangeably uses native and English names.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:04, December 23, 2014 (UTC)

This has been our policy for several years now. A database may use names interchangeably, and in such cases our articles reflect that. If the Colosseum article uses the English name, that will be because it's database entry in Brotherhood does so. The only occasion wherein we do not necessarily follow the databases is city names (such as Venice, Florence etc.) I will be moving the article back once more. If you wish to challenge our policy, please do so in the forums. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 18:35, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

I made a forum to address this. Be there or be square. --Crimson Knight Intercom 19:55, December 24, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Bov,

Just a small question: are the old Initiates database entries still available to be viewed somewhere? I'm asking cause you added that stuff for Havana ("The Fortified City", was it?) and you've been here long enough that I know you're not making stuff up, but it'd be handy if I could check those for future editing. Alright, thanks for reading :) Crook The Constantine District 16:28, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Stormbeast noted a lot of them in his first sandbox. Unfortunately, there are more than those.--Bovkaffe (talk) 17:13, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Ah okay. I thought Storm had only preserved the character ones. Thanks anyway ^^; Crook The Constantine District 17:36, February 10, 2015 (UTC)


Before I head out for a while, just thought I'd bring this to your attention. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 22:27, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Even so, my point still stands.--Bovkaffe (talk) 22:36, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

The game shows us that there are five seats on the council, in the sequence Bellec take the empty one, the fact that he do not wear the same mantle can easily be explained by the fact that he was the one waiting for Arno outside of the chamber. In the game he is also one of the leading figure of the French Brotherhood so nothing contradict his membership to the council. Respectfully, I don't understand what makes you so stubborn on that matter Maxattac (talk) 22:54, February 11, 2015 (UTC)


Hey man, would you be able to drop by the IRC? -- Master Sima Yi Talk 11:25, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure how it works.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:28, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Go here and click on the OS you use. Then you enter your name, and you can type in the little bar down at the bottom. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 14:40, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

C' Mon negative feedback?

You disagreed on my edit about the so-so naval gameplay on ACRG? 19:20, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Disagreed with your edit? I don't see how my feedback was negative either.--Bovkaffe (talk) 13:37, February 19, 2015 (UTC)

Image uploads

Hey Bov,

I assume you have read my edit summary by now, but just in case: when Initiates makes it own art to illustrate database entries, feel free to upload and add it. If Initiates uses existing concept art, we should make sure adding the image has informative value. I don't consider a concept art of a character slapped over another concept art as background very useful, especially when the character concept itself is already in the gallery.

Also, if you can, double-check whether the image doesn't already exist on the wiki without the Initiates watermark over it - now, I realize that's probably asking a bit much, so you can rely on me for that most of the time. I've spent some time looking for Assassin's Creed concept art, so I know some of the regulars, as well as their watermarks (for example, if you see a 'D' somewhere on the concept, it's Martin Deschambault's work - D.Y. is Donglu Yu, and so on). It means some of your uploads will be deleted though, as they'll be duplicates we don't really have any use for.

Finally, SirGareth on the IRC has taught me about licensing, so it's important you know this as well for image sourcing. It's really easy, cause the only type of licensing that accurately describes our 'use' of the image is the {{Permission}} template. The credit belongs to Ubisoft, but we're using the image in a descriptive way, for commentary, without claiming ownership. The CC-by-sa-3.0 is about material that has been explicitly established as 'Creative Commons'; none of Ubisoft's material falls under this, as far as I'm aware. Public Domain is for when copyright expires, which I doubt it ever will in Ubisoft's case.

Alright, that will be all; thanks for reading :) Crook The Constantine District 22:35, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Also, the French wiki isn't a good source, really. The image doesn't come from them, just like an imagine uploaded here generally wasn't "made" by us. If you know the original source - which in this case is of course the Initiates website - use that one instead. Crook The Constantine District 20:00, March 8, 2015 (UTC)


Heya. I would like to point out that the discussion and community vote from a while back regarding native names and English translations only reached a concensus on landmarks, which was the issue at hand, not everything else. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 15:37, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

I know, but Columbus is referred to by that name in some instances in AC, which sounds better than calling him "Corombo" everywhere.--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:40, March 20, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Bov
I'm here to reignite this discussion; basically, Sima, Dark, Nesty and I had a big ol' chat in the IRC about how the wiki has been using character's native names, rather than their anglicized version for quite some time. We don't really see a reason to change that approach, so we were hoping you could adapt the names of articles you've changed and new articles you've created (at the moment the naming's a bit inconsistent).
If you feel it's better to use the anglicized version, then we're totally open to discussion and stuff. The IRC might be better suited to that stuff than a talkpage, actually. Whichever works for you.
'Aight, thanks for reading :) Crook The Constantine District 21:59, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

I don't mind deviating from the approach as long as community consensus is reached and it will be put clearly in the guidelines. We can do this via a forum. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 22:32, June 29, 2015 (UTC)

No title

Alright Messere Bovkaffe,

Can I ask why are you removing my edit from Villa Auditore. What I write or edit I do it for a reason. I hate to quarell. Especially with my superior.

Assassin Abdullah (talk) 17:47, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Allow me to answer that. He undid your edits because, as he mentioned in the edit summaries, Ezio's room wasn't at the second floor of the villa in Brotherhood. It was at the top floor like it was in the second game; you can check it out. Additionally, nobody is superior to anyone here. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 17:53, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Francis Cotton

Hey Mate,

Saw your comment on Francis Cotton & have an answer for you

Basically there is a scene in the novel where Cotton exclaims that Arbaaz Mir's hidden blade could add to his collection of them, insinuating that like some other figures in AC lore he collects them as trophies of those assassins he has killed. 08:23, April 5, 2015 (UTC)Qulan

Cotton's exact quote would be "A pity. I was rather looking forward to adding a new hidden blade to my collection."
Hope that clears it up for you, Bov :) Crook The Constantine District 08:47, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, thanks.--Bovkaffe (talk) 17:38, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Arm the People & "Escort" Mission

Hey, Bov

Quick question: do you know if the "Escort" Mission memory is available to be played immediately, or if it can only be played after the Arm the People memory has been completed? I'd assumed the latter, so that's why I only brought up the "women's militia" bit in Théroigne's article later. Crook The Constantine District 14:59, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

I got the women's militia part from here. As for the missions, I don't know.--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:02, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

I've checked; completing Arm the People is necessary to unlock "Escort" Mission. Will adjust Théroigne's biography accordingly. Crook The Constantine District 15:10, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

De Sable/De Sablé

I've had this discussion before, so please read the relevant exchange on Jasca's talkpage. I disagree with naming the page "Robert de Sablé" because it is unnecessarily confusing, especially since there's no clarification whatsoever in the Trivia section. I'll be awaiting your response. Crook The Constantine District 18:50, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

I don't want to start a discussion about it either, but since he ruled over Sablé-sur-Sarthe, it only seems logical that Ubisoft forgot or didn't bother with the accent, as they've done on other occasions. It's not that it really matters to me, though. It is just an accent, after all.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:00, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

I know that De Sablé has no accent in the first Assassin's Creed game, but for what it's worth, he's based on a historic character who happens to have an accent in their name. Since the games follow history for their characters and settings, it could simply be that the first iteration of the Anvil engine didn't have special characters such as accents. I say let's keep it as De Sablé, since that's the historical character's name, and to squabble over whether to include it simply over an accent because it's not there in the game is a bit pedantic. Slate Vesper (talk) 05:26, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Great white shark

Sorry, man, I legitimately cannot tell the difference. I just assumed the great whites were the sharks you encountered underwater - are those bull sharks then? I don't know my shark anatomy >.< Crook The Constantine District 15:45, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

I think the great whites look a bit more "rough" in the game, in contrast to the more sleek bull sharks.--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:52, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I guess I'll transpose the image and trivia bit to the Bull Sharks article then. Crook The Constantine District 15:58, June 23, 2015 (UTC)


Tell me Swede.

What is more important to be known as a slave owner or to be known as white.

By describing those dead as "white" it gives the perception that this revoultuion was based on race. But In fact it was a revolt for freedom. So tell me Swede where those "whites" killed for being white or killed for being slave owners. 

I smell the scent of victimization, I thought the quote of the day was "what does race have to do with anything?"

And so Swede, what does the slave owners being white have to do with anything. They were killed for being oppressive, not for being white. Unless Swede we are to beleive that those things go hand in hand. 17:14, July 1, 2015 (UTC) Haitian165.134.10.6 17:14, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

You are talking about the 1804 Haitian Massacre. 

Which happened after the declration of independence. That is a seperate issue. The slave revolt was about freedom. The mssacre was about one man's mistrust of whites. That is seperate and apart from the slave revolt. That is why I keep changing the edits.

You are trying to make a poltical situtaion out of one that need not be. If you want to write a wiki ont eh 1804 Massacre then lets note and log all the whites killed. But in the slave rebellion that is a war between master and slave not black and white

But as I promised another I will let you revistnist do what you will-don't want to miss a chance to be a victim 18:01, July 1, 2015 (UTC)Haitian165.134.10.6 18:01, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not trying to be a "victim". The fact remains that it wasn't just slave owners who were killed, but the entire remaining white population of Haiti, including women and children. Just because I'm noting what Dessalines ordered, that doesn't mean I'm saying that the revolution wasn't about ending oppression. Because it was.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:31, July 1, 2015 (UTC)


Which Assassins have been called Grand Master in the series?Abelzorus Prime (talk) 23:28, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Altaïr (and others, as I recall) is referred to as Grand Master of the Assassin Order in the encyclopdia. Also, a description of a Mediterranean Defense mission refers to Mujir as an Assassin Grand Master.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:31, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
So where does the rank of Grand Master positioned in the Assassin Order? Is it the same as Mentor? Are you   sure Altair (and others) where called Grand Masters? Abelzorus Prime (talk) 23:37, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
Presumably the same as Mentor. At this point, I don't think we know. As for Altaïr, he is definitely called Master of the Assassins in both the encyclopedia and The Secret Crusade.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:47, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
It might say Altair was Master of the Assassins but does it say he was a Grand Master? Abelzorus Prime (talk) 23:52, July 1, 2015 (UTC) Towards the end of the video, Ezio calls him a Grand Master.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:58, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Abelzorus Prime (talk) 00:25, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

Bernard Ruddock

Hi ! In the Unity novel in french version, to the end of the book, it's a page with a list of all protagonists of the novel and the rogue Assassin is named "Bernard Ruddock".

Linkpogo, Pater Intellectus 22:21, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Link!
I found an online version in English that includes the list of characters in the novel. However, he's simply referred to as "Ruddock" in said list; could the French version have added the name 'Bernard' by mistake? There's a character called Bernard in the list as well, but that's not Ruddock. Crook The Constantine District 22:35, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

I will re-verify when I can and I told you soon !

Linkpogo, Pater Intellectus 23:48, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Red Ghost of the Tuileries

Hey, Bov

I would have assumed the "Red Ghost of the Tuileries" was at the Tuileries Palace, not the Luxembourg Palace? Was any of the suspects located at the Luxembourg Palace or something? That seems a long way away though, consider the Tuileries is all the way up north-west in Paris, while Luxembourg Palace is in the south. Crook The Constantine District 20:26, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, my bad. Got the two mixed up in my head. About Rouille's interrogation in The Jacobin Club. I never really got what it was about. Do you know?--Bovkaffe (talk) 20:29, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

I don't :s Perhaps try Sima? I understand the scene was partially to cement Rouille as this douchebag, but I'm not sure what information he was actually trying to procure. It might have had something to do with Marie Levesque's plan to store grain somewhere? I wish there was a writer we could bug about this. Crook The Constantine District 20:35, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
That might make sense. Still not sure, though. Afterwards, he reports to Germain about how King Louis is playing both sides of the revolution.--Bovkaffe (talk) 20:38, July 16, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Bov

I was hoping you could help me out on this little thing; I'm abroad now so I can't replay the memory "Hoarders" in Unity, but I know there's a bit of dialogue missing from the transcription. It's during the scene where Marie Lévesque does her little speech. If you walk around you can hear the guests speaking about a few things - some of it is in the article, but it's not complete. Do you have time to transcribe the remaining dialogue?

Thanks for reading. Crook The Constantine District 14:32, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately not. I don't have Unity, so I've had to scour YouTube for the dialogue, and I haven't been able to find all of it.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:40, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
Oh I see. Alright, it will have to wait till I get back then. Thanks anyways! Crook The Constantine District 14:41, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

About the EH Era Icon


I see you kinda like a "supervisor" of the edits, so i would like to know i we should add the EH Era Icon to every characters' page, i mean, in EH, a lot of characters are mentioned, for example, one page of the EH is dedicated to the best Grand Masters (Haytham, De Sablé, Borgia) so, should we add their pages the EH Era Icon? Thanks for reading DipsonDP (talk) 05:35, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

I don't have an official position as that, but yeah, I do that a lot. I'm not entirely sure I'm the right person to ask about the icons, though. It depends on how much they're mentioned (I assume they only appear in those biased Abstergo products?)--Bovkaffe (talk) 05:44, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

I would advise against that. Limiting the EH icons to those characters that exclusively appear in the Handbook (e.g. Robert Fraser, Victoria Bibeau, Percy Westcreek) and those that have like a page dedicated to them (e.g. Marie Antoinette, Mirabeau, Marquis de Sade) seems like a more practical idea. Haytham and Robert de Sablé are only name-dropped once or twice without any significant "new" information about them, so I wouldn't see the use in adding the EH Era icon to them - it would be like adding the Initiates Era icon to every character that appeared in an Initiates memory. Stick to the ones that the EH tells us something new about. Crook The Constantine District 06:15, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Gang or Syndicate

Has Ubisoft ever referred to the Rooks as syndicate? I know it's the title of the game but that doesn't mean they are a syndicate. Abelzorus Prime (talk) 16:40, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

When they first announced the game, they spoke of how the working classes formed syndicates. And since it's the title of the game, it wouldn't make sense if they weren't a syndicate. Also, sign your posts, please.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:35, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

I've always heard them refer to the Rooks as a gang but my memory is not that good do have a link or refer me to a specific video? They could of just called the game syndicate because Assassin's Creed Syndicate sounds better than Assassin's Creed Gangs. Abelzorus Prime (talk) 16:40, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Our wiki page for the game has a short film called "The Syndicate" in which Jacob recounts the Rooks committing various heists, much like an organized crime syndicate.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:48, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Are you sure "The Syndicate" is canon? In the video all I saw was evidence of the rooks being a gang not a syndicate. I also always hear the developers refer to the Rooks as a gang not a syndicate. Maybe the Rooks are part of a syndicate but I'm pretty sure they are just a gang Abelzorus Prime (talk) 17:15, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hello Aeathel (talk) 20:01, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Bov,

Not that I doubt you, but why the change on Kesegowaase and other pages from "Abenaki" to the other thing? Crook The Constantine District 14:38, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

I realized that the Wolastoqiyik are not actually part of the Abenaki. Both tribes are part of the Wabanaki Confederacy.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:40, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, okay. By the way, do you have all the Project Widow info unlocked? I almost feel like we should preserve it, seeing as Ubisoft likes to delete these projects. Crook The Constantine District 14:43, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
I can transcribe the entries from Access the Animus' Facebook page.--Bovkaffe (talk) 14:44, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Invalides Concept Art

Do you know where in Les Invalides that that concept art is? I thought it was the Panthéon's interior, and I don't always want to go with the image's title, cause the title can be wrong (especially if I'm the uploader lol). Thanks for reading. Crook The Constantine District 10:34, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

It's the main building for Les Invalides (the Hôtel des Invalides), the one with the large dome.--Bovkaffe (talk) 10:37, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Oooh, okay, my bad. I am not familiar with the Invalides area at all ^^; Crook The Constantine District 10:53, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

ACU Template

Hey, Bov, I'm curious why you removed people like Marie Tussaud from the ACU Template. Surely they're more noteworthy than those two thugs Victor and Hugo? Or is there something I'm missing?

Thanks for reading. Crook The Constantine District 10:54, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

It's mostly to keep the template from growing too large. After all, Tussaud only appears in two Paris Stories.--Bovkaffe (talk) 12:35, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Was Stalin already influenced by Templars before he succeded Lenin?

And I don't think that "puppet" is a good word neutral enough to describe a Templar affiliated individual.If I am right,I would like to see the "Communism" page edited.Sleeplust (talk) 12:30, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, we don't know about the first part. Ultimately however, we don't know how he was affiliated with the Templars. If you check the Voronina journal, you'll see that he may have been a Templar, but he can't be confirmed as anything more than a puppet.--Bovkaffe (talk) 12:34, August 22, 2015 (UTC)
I always found the story that on his deathbed Lenin called Stalin a traitor interest. I don't know if it's accurate but I figure that could blend in well somehow into the AC narrative. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 12:42, August 22, 2015 (UTC)


Hi, i've seen your changes in "Seine". I'm a bit suprised you removed the additional pictures as well as some important information. The fact, the French Assassins headquarter is on a Seine island is important. The page should, with some work, one day look like Tiber for example. I would like to help, but honestly i think it's better to continue my work in the German AC Wiki. Best regards, GrandTheftAndi (talk) 15:35, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't mean to dissuade to you, but the additional pictures were unsourced, and the info about the headquarters isn't that revelant to the Seine river itself.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:06, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

== Hi! Got a minute? == 

I am a staff member at Wikia and I am helping the Game Team out with a project. I am hoping to find community members who are willing to write us a brief statement as to why they are looking forward to Syndicate and why they love the franchise. If you are willing to do so, please leave your statement in a reply.  Thanks! Pinkachu@fandom (talk) 23:34, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

A Request from Wikia

I am a staff member at Wikia and I am helping the Game Team out with a project. I am hoping to find community members who are willing to write us a brief statement as to why they are looking forward to Syndicate and why they love the franchise. If you are willing to do so, please leave your statement in a reply.  Thanks! Pinkachu@fandom (talk) 23:39, September 29, 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Bovkaffe :-) . Why have you eliminated several events by the Template:Timeline? I initially thought you had done it to eliminate the less important events, but why keep the battle of Bunker Hill and not, for example, the siege of Charles-Town?Re Edward Kenway (talk) 18:05, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

I am doing to it eliminate less important events. Although I suppose the Battle of Bunker Hill should go as well, then.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:15, October 11, 2015 (UTC)


Do they appear in any of the AC media? I'm not sure if we really need an article on them if they're only mentioned in one of Ubi's articles. Crook The Constantine District 11:06, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say they deserve an article, given the fact that they are described in detail.--Bovkaffe (talk) 11:16, October 16, 2015 (UTC)
Alright, fair enough. Crook The Constantine District 11:18, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Avdoyta Voronina

I apologize. I didn't confuse them but I found out it was on Galina's page but someone got rid of it as it wasn't proven that Galina was younger then her. Sorry. 

No problem, the effort is always appreciated.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:43, November 4, 2015 (UTC)

Jack the Ripper - Nellie and Weaversbrook

Im asking you because I feel you can find out but characters named Nellie and Weaversbrook have been added to the Wiki-not pages, but in the character list section-of Syndicate for the DLC, but I can't find any prove that these two characters will actually appear. Have they been confirmed anywhere? GamerSophie (talk) 18:36, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:28, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

The UPlay achievements related to the Jack the Ripper DLC were put online recently - both Nellie and Weaversbrook, whoever they are, are named in those achievements. I believe they're associates you need to complete activities for, similar to Ned and Clara and the others. Crook The Constantine District 19:29, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Stop undoing my edits to the pages of Jacob and Altair. Everything I post is from the lore including the encyclopedia, interviews with developers and from the games themselves. You have no proof that Jacob is the youngest master assassin and the edits of Altair are legit. This is supposed to be a page based on undeniable facts for fans of the Assassin's Creed franchise and you posting lies and editing the truth leaves this Wiki unreliable and not true. ConmanWAR (talk) 19:38, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

The games, books and everything CANON say Altair was 25 when he became a Master Assassin than, yet again, stated in games, books and everything CANON that Jacob is the youngest as he and Evie are 20 and are said many times to be Master Assassins. We have prove so we write it down on here, please stop posting lies on this Wiki without any prove of your own. Except for one time in Syndicate, Jacob is said to be a Master Assassins by developers and in the game. GamerSophie (talk) 19:43, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


Could you help me out with something? klad (talk) 01:26, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

What would that be?--Bovkaffe (talk) 01:31, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Could you go through Category:Battles and make the following changes to articles using the {{Battle}} template:
  • "Battle" → "Battle Infobox" (doesn't do anything in particular; for consistency)
  • "[[File:Example.png|<pixels>]]" → "Example.png" (no file link; template will do the job)
  • Removing any unused parameters
  • Anything other necessary changes
Sorry to ask this of you, but I have something to do IRL and it'd probably be best if those messy file links in particular get fixed; e.g. Siege of Monteriggioni. klad (talk) 01:48, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

I can do that.--Bovkaffe (talk) 01:53, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Abbas Sofian = Master Assassin?

Hey, Bov! Quick question. When or where is Abbas Sofian referred to as a Master Assassin? You added the category to his article back in October, but I can't seem to find a source for that. Was it in one of the newer entries? Thanks for reading :) Crook The Constantine District 12:14, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

Haitian Assassins

I can understand why the Techniques section would be speculation but what about the Origins and appearance? 

Initiates database entries

Hey, Bov
I really appreciate the work you're doing with typing up the database entries from the original Initiates website. Are you intending to incorporate these into the Assassin's Creed: Initiates article, or this going to be like a seperate thing? Or is it in cooperation with Nesty's revamp of the database article? I mean, the Initiates database entries are handy to have by themselves, but they're not easy to find unless you know what you're looking for. Just curious. Keep up the good work :) Crook The Constantine District 17:05, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in like this, Bovkaffe. I'll be including a list of the Initiates DB articles on the Database article, so that more or less answers Crook's question, I believe. Amnestyyy (Contact me!) @fandom 17:36, January 27, 2016 (UTC)

"The Secret of the Cenote" date

Hey, Bov
So I'm here again to double-check stuff (you know me, always gotta know the specifics >.<). I wanted to ask where you got the date for the "Secret of the Cenote" memory from. I would presume Initiates, given your recent work, but I specifically remember checking the dates for Aveline's memories when the old version of the site was still online and that particular memory just had "1769" as the given date. I also went to check on Access the Animus page and they don't have a more specific date either. So yeah, I'd love a source. 'aight, thanks for reading :) Crook The Constantine District 19:01, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

This website has some info on Initiates, including the names and locations of some memories. As you can see here, the memory where Aveline meets her mother has a specific date.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:07, January 31, 2016 (UTC)
Oh wow, I had no idea. Strange that they didn't carry over the dates to the actual memory articles. Thanks Bov! Crook The Constantine District 19:17, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

AE Manual

Why was the page moved? I'm pretty sure I followed the title format used in "AE files:AE Employee Passport" and other "Abstergo Entertainment files". Curious, not angry. Darman (talk) 17:07, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's a tiny thing. For database entries, for instance, we tend to put a space after the colon (:).--Bovkaffe (talk) 15:35, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Ah, K. So that means all the AE files are misnamed, then? And why is there a redirect? I thought when pages werer renamed, it created a whole new page?
To be fair, we only put a space after the colon last year when they were renamed. Before, there was no space, and that's just how we did tabviews. If we're keeping the tabviews for the personal files pages, just re-rename the manual. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 18:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
To answer your second question, whenever a page changes name, the old name becomes a redirect for the new one.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:18, March 3, 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I just have a quick question regarding the edit you made to the "Assassins' Goals and Motivations". Why did you edit out the part "with it's new ideals of free will"? Was it because it is already assumed and not necessary? I think that adding that part increases the significance of it. Thank you, please get back to me regarding this matter.ConmanWAR (talk) 21:58, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it's sort of implied before then.--Bovkaffe (talk) 22:39, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
I thank you for resonding and I understand. But don't you think adding that extra little bit of information to be ideal as there would be no confusion for the people reading the article or casual lore fans. I just think adding it would be benefitial to the wiki community and fans of the series. Do you think either you or I could add it back in please? Thank you. ConmanWAR (talk) 23:10, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
I added it back in a different form, since it wasn't really Altaïr who came up with those ideals.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:19, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
I just looked at the edit you made and I think it's fair. However, (and don't take this as if I'm arguing with you) in AC:Rogue during "Berg's Inspiration" videos he says "it was only after Altair reformed the Brotherhood with its new ideals of free will that the conflict truly escalted and spread across the planet." This is the most direct quote on the subject because before Altair the Assassins fought strictly for peace as demonstrated in some of the dialogue in AC1 amongst other examples. ConmanWAR (talk) 23:26, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
I know, but that's coming from a Templar, so it's not the most reliable source.--Bovkaffe (talk) 23:33, March 19, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I guess that's true, but in a way it could be said that this coming from a Templar perspective (the enemy) could be more reliable as the Assassins could have a bias in their history, and could it not be seen as reliable because it was mentioned in the game (in game universe)  in the first place and the fact that it's already assumed Altair is the one that made free will the primary goal of the Assassins? I mean in AC1 it was stated the Assassins fought for "peace in all things" and then afterwards, in Bloodlines, he starts relaying the importance of freedom. ConmanWAR (talk) 23:41, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

List of Characters

So, my question is how my page is not interesting? From experience with other people, both online and in person, there has been a want for a list of characters - as I have done. Maybe you do not find it interesting or you believe it is OOU; this does not mean that other people believe it is not interesting or OOU.  Again, I am working off experience with other people, both online and in person.BlackHawksChild (talk) 21:34, May 14, 2016 (UTC)BlackHawksChild

It's wiki policy that we write articles from an IU perspective. As such, listing characters on a page isn't something we would do. Besides, all of the characters listed are in the templates for the games and other media, so a page isn't necessary.--Bovkaffe (talk) 21:53, May 14, 2016 (UTC)
Having a summary page list of character (and adding a small summary of each character) is providing peope with a brief introduction to the characters - some people do not want to have to go through a whole page of a game just to read about a character they find interesting.  Therefore, listing the characters on the page, can be useful (some people are too lazy to look for the templates).BlackHawksChild (talk) 22:12, May 14, 2016 (UTC)BlackHawksChild

Alonzo's Treasures

Darman here. Thanks for getting the "nowiki's". I swear I don't write them, but they seem to constantly pop up whenever I use WP links on the Visual Editor. Is that normal? --Darman (talk) 01:30, June 2, 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't be surprised if it happens a lot, since the visual editor often adds a lot of unnecessary coding. I'd suggest you try the normal editor instead. It's pretty easy to use.--Bovkaffe (talk) 11:24, June 2, 2016 (UTC)

Thx for the tip. I know about source editor; I realized I had to use it when similar problems happened on other pages I edited. --Darman (talk) 00:18, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Assassin/Templar navbox

I'm just wondering why some of the Assassin/Templar nav boxes are being removed from pages, or bumped below the games nav boxes. When I talked to Sima about this, he said that the navbox would go above the games box(es), and that the box would go on all the pages mentioned in the navbox template. Or was there a decision change and I missed it? --Darman (talk) 00:50, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not the one moving the nav boxes. The reason I removed some of them from pages is because I removed those articles in the nav box itself to avoid making it too big.--Bovkaffe (talk) 10:08, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Oops, you're right. My mistake. Must have got confused between your and ZéACNS' back & forth edits. Apologies. If the Assassin box lists Assassins with their own game, why isn't Aveline there? Nikolai & Shao Jun are, but their games are small, even compared to Liberty. --Darman (talk) 12:55, June 23, 2016 (UTC)
It's not meant to list Assassins with their own games, but rather Assassins whose actions have had significant impact.--Bovkaffe (talk) 13:35, June 23, 2016 (UTC)

I'm new to this wiki

Hey, Bovkaffe, I joined the AC wiki today, am I doing something wrong?
--User:GhostVikingUSMC (talk) 13:57, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Only the images without sources, but I see you've fixed that, so it's no problem.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:57, July 3, 2016 (UTC)


Hey Bov,

It's been a long while since I've seen you on the wiki; maybe you've moved on from the franchise, which you are free to do of course (lord knows Ubisoft is bleeding AC content nowadays, even if they haven't released a full game since Syndicate), but I figured I'd check in anyways. Hope you are well :) Crook The Constantine District 19:25, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, but yeah, moved on a bit. Still been checking out activity lately.--Bovkaffe (talk) 20:02, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

No worries, dude. I totally checked out as well early this year, but Origins has pulled me back in (for better or worse lol). Good to hear from you :) Crook The Constantine District 20:13, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

Arbitrarily deciding which Templars & Assassins are significant

I think you should be careful about how arbitrary it can be to decide which Templars and Assassins are significant enough to include in the navigation boxes. First of all, I'm not sure if you're thinking of significance to the Templars in-universe, or from an OOU-perspective for the series. If the latter, you're clearly removing many significant main antagonists of major games, such as Robert de Sablé, Juhani Otso Berg, and Daniel Cross. If the former, how can you possibly say that Adolf Hitler, the Templar who launched the most devastating and global plot in human history, World War II, is not significant enough? Moreover, Daniel Cross was the catalyst behind the Great Purge, one of the most critical if not the most critical victory the Templars have ever dealt against the Assassins. In contrast, Ahmet, Laureano Torres and Crawford Starrick all left little mark on history, and in the grand scheme of the war against the Assasins, did not accomplish much. As antagonists in the series, the latter two are in essentially filler games. How is the Jiajing Emperor more significant than Hitler or Winston Churchill or Qin Shihuangdi? The Jiajing Emperor has faded away into obscurity as a minor emperor in Chinese history, whereas Qin Shihuangdi, despite reigning only 15 years, ended centuries of civil war, earned the hatred of all of China for the next two millennia, and yet whose reviled political philosophy still has reverberations to Chinese society today. I'm not sure what is the criteria you're using to decide which Templars and Assassins are relevant, but I am failing to see the consistency. :-/ Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 23:00, June 16, 2017 (UTC)

I agree that some might be a bit arbitrary, but it's meant to be in-universe, so simply being an antagonist or major character in a game doesn't qualify.--Bovkaffe (talk) 12:40, June 17, 2017 (UTC)
It did not make sense then, why Robert de Sable, Qin Shihuangdi, and Daniel Cross are less significant than Laureano Torres, Ahmet, the Jiajing Emperor, or Crawford Starrick. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:56, June 17, 2017 (UTC)

Removing Infoboxes

Can you double-check with other admins that removing the infoboxes is okay? Last I asked Master Sima Yi on the matter, he told me every character should ideally have an infobox should we know more than one parameter for the box, including appearances. Of course, some of these are information we're taking only from Wikipedia, but I'm not sure if those don't count. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 14:23, June 19, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Brotherhoods and Rites

I wanted to add my opinion to this discussion after Sol Pacificus told me about it. In all honesty, the only part of, for the example, the Brazilian Brotherhood article is the name. The fact that there is a group of Assassins active in Brazil is not speculation nor are the events that happened to them. We also know that the modern Assassins still use the term Brotherhood to describe these cells, as was the case with the Osaka and Russian Brotherhoods. Another user, ZéACNS, was extremely overzealous in this regard, adding Brotherhoods and Rites that, as far as I and Sol Pacificus could tell, had never even been hinted at, let alone actually seen. I myself proposed the deletion of several pages created by them, which has since been carried out. As for the Mediterranean Defense, the Templars operating in the various countries were explicitly shown to have their headquarters in the major cities of those countries (i.e. Tripoli in Libya). The only Rite implied to be subservient to another was the Libyan Rite, who were receiving orders from Rhodes, but we Lousiana Rite was similarly subservient to first the British and then the Colonial Rite. Basically, what evidence is there that the Tunisian Rite, for example, were not independent. The Wikia Editor (talk) 10:54, June 30, 2017 (UTC)


The legendary Bovkaffe is sorely missed, did you die on us? -- Master Sima Yi Talk 21:41, October 4, 2017 (UTC)

Not quite, Origins drew me back in a bit, but I doubt I'll continue to hang around the same way I used to. Real life kind of got in the way.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:17, November 6, 2017 (UTC)

Memories articles


For the memories pages, I've got a couple of questions. First, where does the dialogue "officially" begin and end? Second, where is the description taken from? Thanks! Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:24, November 8, 2017 (UTC)

Though I'm not Bov, I would typically consider the start of the dialogue to include whatever incidental dialogue a quest/memory-triggering NPC has to say before the protagonist approaches them to start the quest/memory, up until the point at which it loops again. While this might usually be the standard pleading for help, some characters do give away important context before they are initiated in conversation. Slate Vesper (talk) 19:22, November 8, 2017 (UTC)
The description in the infobox is from in-game memory descriptions, while the section in the article is written by the editors. It's also important to remember that most articles should be written in past-tense.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:30, November 9, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! I was putting the expanded description from the game in as the article section :P I'll also try to remember placing things in past tense. Raylan13@fandom (talk) 16:53, November 9, 2017 (UTC)

Heresy template stuff

Hiya, Can I request that a certain "John Fastolf" be added to the AC:Heresy template? He's an English general so he would be on the "Characters:Others" category. I'm planning to make his page but I discovered that he wasn't there on the template. And If I find other notable characters, may I have some instructions and permission to edit the template (IDK how) so I wouldn't bother you everytime? 

P.S. Do you know if Crook is away or inactive? I wanted to say hello...

Thank youuuu! Misphantom (talk) 06:54, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Done. To edit the template, you have to search "Template:ACH". And I don't really know about Crook.--Bovkaffe (talk) 16:02, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Achilles Davenport edit/van Antwerpen

Hello Bovkaffe,

First of all, I’d just like to say that I consider you a respected member of the AC Wiki, so before any more revisions are made on the subject of Maria van Antwerpen, I’d like for us to clear up any confusion we may have over her status as an Assassin. You recently undid my edit to Achilles Davenport’s page where it was stated that van Antwerpen was an Assassin. This information was incorrect, therefore I corrected it. There is no evidence to suggest that van Antwerpen was an Assassin. In fact, the war letter in Rogue seemed to very clearly imply that she was not yet an Assassin and was being invited to become one. Her actual page also categorizes her as an “Assassin ally” not an actual Assassin. So thank you in advance for reading my explanation and I would like for you to take it into consideration when you decide what to do next.--N217062 (talk) 08:37, December 26, 2017 (UTC)

About image edition


Sorry about the mess, I forgot to add the source. Now I just gave it one, "Ubisoft", so it should be fine now. I have a question though... How can I edit the information of an uploaded image so I don't need to upload the same PNG again? I think it was an "action" button or something like that.

I wait for your answer.

Happy Holiday!

Cristophorus35 (talk) 00:04, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

Just go onto the page for the image itself and press edit.--Bovkaffe (talk) 00:05, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

I can swear I just did that but instead of showing me the image info, it showed me a "Description" section with a "sourceless" template in it. Haha. Oh well, maybe it wasn't the correct page. Now I know how to do it next time.

Thank you very much and Happy Holidays! 

Cristophorus35 (talk) 00:22, December 27, 2017 (UTC)

Proper image sourcing.

Thank you very much for pointing me in the direction of that artical.  I am reading it now and will address the issues brought to my attention.  I am pretty new here as I am sure you have noticed so I do apperciate help like this.  Have a good evening.  KingNetjerikhet (talk) 17:17, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

I was wondering if you would be able to tell me if this is correct: Thank you. --KingNetjerikhet (talk) 17:34, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Largely, but you also need to write the author, Ubisoft in this case. Is this a screenshot you took yourself?--Bovkaffe (talk) 17:53, January 9, 2018 (UTC)

Proper use of deletion template

Bovkaffe, when you mark pages for deletion, please don't remove all of the page's content. The point of marking it as such is to draw attention to it being problematic, but if you use that tag to replace all the content, even if it's pure spam, then it's not always immediately evident what was the issue if ostensibly, the title of the page is fine. Moreover, marking a page for deletion doesn't necessarily mean that the page should or is going to be deleted. While that is most often going to be the case, technically the header is supposed to nominate the page for deletion, followed by a discussion in the talk page. Again, usually with spam articles, this isn't necessary, but in some cases it would be, and if you remove all the content, then others would have to go through its history to see the issues with the page meriting its deletion just to discuss it. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 06:43, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

This was a particularly notable example. Removing an entire page that had information relevant to the canon and was sourced throughout of 3,653 characters while marking it for deletion is not proper use of the template. The page is not immediately identifiable as spam or vandalism. While I suppose you probably thought it was unnecessary to have an article devoted to the state itself when it receives only brief mention, it's still an actual article, and our policies on whether a subject like this merits an article has not been well-established. In other words, this is just the kind of page where you'd really be nominating the page for deletion, not marking it to be deleted outright, and the content should remain there to be referred to while you discuss the reasons why you think the page should be deleted on the talk page. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 06:55, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

Jeff Simpson's concept art

I noticed that you uploaded most of his concept art including the ones for Ponthius, Eudoros, and Ptahmose. The first two are switched compared to what Jeff Simpson titled their files but that is reflective of how the characters look in game. However the "Ptahmose" concept art seems to actually be Rudjek not Ptahmose but you stayed in line with what Jeff titled the file. I was curious to your thought process on this. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 17:38, May 30, 2020 (UTC)

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