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Andrewh7

aka Andrew H

  • I live in Edison, NJ
  • I was born on March 10
  • My occupation is College student, Food Runner
  • I am Male
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Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. Master Sima Yi (talk) 20:02, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

Category changes

Hello Andrewh7, I recognize that you're new and wish to contribute, but categories in our wiki are organized in strict ways, where changing them around can throw off the entire organization. As a result, editors should normally consult with the community first before making substantial changes to them. For example, we have separate categories for "Greek" and "Ethnic Greeks" for a reason. One is for nationality, the other for ethnicity. Many ethnic Greek characters from the Ptolemaic Kingdom would be "nationally" Egyptian but ethnically Greek, and we needed a category to distingusih these from Greek nationals. I recognize that the term "natonality" may be a bit anachronistic depending on the political science theory, but it is a word we're using generally out of need. Please refrain from making further changes to the categories like these. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:52, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

The category pages are still quite messy all things considering, but going ahead to start altering the organization on your own volition only exacerbates the problem rather than remedying it. Everyone has to be on the same page about it, and in any case, you would have to manually move hundreds upon hundreds of pages in your reorganization efforts, and that would take days of work.

I've just opened up a discussion on the talk page of the Greek category regarding how I think the many Greek characters in Odyssey were incorrectly placed there. You should provide your input when you have time. However, distinction between ethnicity and a loose nationality categories are absolutely necessary even where there may be many individuals who can fall under both, as there are also many individuals whose ethnicity is not the same as their nationality. For the other redundancy you mentioned, when we last reorganized our category pages, one of our admins notified me that he preferred there to be a specific category tier for each broad category type which serves as a general pool for all relevant pages even if those pages are already in a subcategory. So for example, he identified "individuals" as one of these, and that's why every character is also placed into Category:Individuals even when they already fit into subcategories within that category. To be honest, out of all the points you made, this is the one you were right to call out. Which categories serve as "pools" have never been defined nor codified, nor have we had a community discussion on whether there should be categories that serve as "pools".

If you would like, you can open up a discussion on category organization in the forums. Even if you don't, you have prompted us to revisit this topic anyways. There, you can bring up your suggestions. You can also make a case for having categories on male and female if you really think there is a need for it although currently, I don't see why that is necessary or more efficient at all. In the meantime, please refrain from modifying the categories of pages any further because without a discussion on this, that is just going to be disruptive. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 22:39, June 8, 2020 (UTC)

Images

Hey there Andrewh7,

I saw that you have recently quite a bit of location images, which is something I greatly appreciate. However, please do note that we have a bunch of policies in regards to images as well. Please ensure that you source them properly, and also, images with watermarks such as the author or Gameplay elements are permitted. So I urge that you read up on the Wiki's policies here. Cheers :) XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:38, June 11, 2020 (UTC)

Hello again Andrew,

I'm just messaging once again to remind you to properly source and remove the watermarks of the images you have uploaded. A suggestion would be for you to upload and source a batch of images for a particular article (e.g. the ones you uploaded for Aaru, Heb Sed etc) so that it makes it easier. Otherwise, as you continue to upload, the past uploaded images may be forgotten and remained unsourced. Apologise to keep reminding on this, but it is a policy of our wiki. :x

P.S. I did managed to source and removed the watermarks for some of the images you uploaded, so if you can, do help out with the rest perhaps.

XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:13, June 13, 2020 (UTC)

Hello Andrewh7
While we editors do appreciates the new Buckingham images uploaded, I'd like to remind you again of what XOdeyssusx has said twice now, to please read the Wiki's Image Policy page (linked above) and to provide sources for all future files uploaded. Thank you. – Darman (talk) 21:55, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
I haven't gotten around to sourcing the Buckingham Palace images and I'm working on sourcing not just the Buckingham Palace images, but the rest of the images that needs to be sourced Andrewh7 (talk) 22:35, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, it's much appreciated. I've already sourced all the other images you've put up here, so there's no need to worry over them. If it helps, it's easier to source when you upload files instead of having to reverse-search them on Google after. – Darman (talk) 22:50, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
Never mind. I thought you meant before uploading them to the wiki like using the File summary to do it all at once or something. Maybe, but after uploading the rest of the images, adding the sourcing sounds taxing and prefer to reverse search them at that point. Andrewh7 (talk) 22:52, June 13, 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I did mean to suggest sourcing them in the "File Summary" when uploading. All the pics you've done were in batches, so to use them as examples, you'd only need to write the source once, then copy/paste for each image in the set. I said it because I find reverse-search has at times retrieved promotional pictures or generic "visually similar images" instead of artist works. – Darman (talk) 02:05, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

If there are images that are from multiple sources, do I just write each source link to the ArtStation page or the entire template? Either way, would they have to be in order? Andrewh7 (talk) 02:12, June 14, 2020 (UTC)

If there's multiple sources, I don't think it matters much which you use. For example, if you search Image X and Google brings you to Gamespot, it's a valid source. If, later, someone finds the pic on the site of the artist who did it, the source can be updated, but it's not a concrete rule. Doesn't matter what order you upload; you can do the last pic in a set first, so long as they're sourced. – Darman (talk) 02:25, June 14, 2020 (UTC)
Andrew, I see you've uploaded more images, and it seems we've had a miscommunication. My apologies for not being clearer. When I said it'd be fine to copy/paste the ArtStation link, I'd meant when completely filling out the Summary template for uploading a file. There should be only one source link, ArtStation or otherwise; the multiple ones you've posted make it unclear which is the source for any image. Further, the link alone is not enough. Again, I ask you to please read the Image Policy. As an example of what I mean, a correct image citation should look something like this: – Darman (talk) 02:50, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
Andrewh7 Check TinEye
Information
Description

Environment / Concept art of [[place / object / person]] OR [[Mission]] memory image

Source

[https://www.artstation.com/artwork/(insert characters) ArtStation – Title] OR ''[[Assassin's Creed: (Game)]]''

Author/Artist

[[Artist]] (only if art) / [[Ubisoft]]

Licensing

{{CC-BY-SA}} OR {{Screenshots}}

From what you said before it sounded that way and now you're saying not to do that? So I have to include the link and the template? What if they are images that are completely different things / places and aren't all the same? What then? Andrewh7 (talk) 03:16, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
My deepest apologies again for being unclear. I thought you were asking just about the "Source" section of the template on the "Upload photo" page as you filled it in. Yes, a single link within the full template is needed to properly cite images. Take a look at my latest "File" edits to see what an image template looks like with functional links. What you mean by "images that are completely different things"? Because I'd like to avoid future confusion for us both. If the images are of dissimilar objects, change the description. The Lodge of Names and Aaru renders are different, but are from the same set. Is this what you mean? – Darman (talk) 04:40, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
Not just from the same set, but could also be from completely different ones. On an unrelated note, if I wanted / felt like certain characters needed closeup images that lacked them, is there anyone in particular that I should ask? Are side characters / NPCs the only ones that can have closeup images or can playable characters have them too? Andrewh7 (talk) 05:00, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
So, where Artists A and B do different art of the same thing? You'd need to change the source link and artist name accordingly. Close shots are fine, and you don't need to ask anyone, just make sure you note in the "Description" section that the image is cropped from, say, a screenshot. As far as I know, everyone is fair game for pictures, but if you're unsure, feel free to ask a Staff member. – Darman (talk) 06:25, June 16, 2020 (UTC)
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