Rename England to Great Britain or Kingdom of Great Britain!!?
I wish for this articles name to be changed - England is not Britain (an Island) or Great Britain (a country), the Kingdom of Britain was a sovereign state which was formed when the Kingdom of Scotland and the Kingdom of England united in 1707. It then became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland formed in 1801, when the Republic of Ireland became an independent country in 1922, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland was formed which the former soveriegn state England is now a part of.
So can you please change the name of the article to the Kingdom of Britain, as it is more relivant to the upcoming assassin's creed III game, which took place during the time when the Kingdom of Britain was a soveriegn state.
(A Soveriegn State is a country).
No. Because it isn't just for Assassin's Creed III that it was created. If Scotland is mentioned with enough relevant information to make it an article, we would make the Scotland page. We don't need to conjoin four different countries into one article to suit you. Slate Vesper (talk) 18:43, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
Scotland and England aren't countries (they where at one time), the United Kingdom IS a country...? IF you believe that Scotland and England are countries then that definition also applies to states like Florida or Mississippi being seperate countries. Also, England is not Britain, Britain is an Island in North West Europe - England is in the south-east of Britain and does not cover the whole Island. I live in the United Kingdom, so if you do too then I strongly recommend you look at your passport. Also if this article is essential then I believe that a Kingdom of Britain article should also be made or perhaps something along those lines.
-- Then why can't the revelant information in the other Assassin's Cree games be added to a section of the article perhaps called "History" > "Kingdom of England"?
I agree with the above comment that information from earlier AC games should be included regarding the history of England, but I think there should be an emphasis on the colonial era, as it's in AC3 that the names England, Britain, Great Britain and the British Isles (and related terms) get bandied around the most. Clarification of the names would need to be there, of course, but this could be done through headings/subheadings as per chronology instead of only through formal definitions in the text. Most of the information I am thinking of would obviously come between the current headings of Restoration Era and Modern Times, unless information from AC1 were included too.
184.108.40.206 22:22, December 1, 2012 (UTC)
Lets clear this up. Britain is England and Wales, Great Britain is England Wales and Scotland and the United Kingdom is England, Wales, Scotland and (Northern) Ireland. These terms are used incorrectly or mixed up AC3The United Kingdom is a country whilst England, Wales and Scotland and (Northern) Ireland are 'States' within the United Kingdom. London is the capital of England and the United Kingdom, Edinburgh is the capital of Scotland, Cardiff of Wales and Belfast of Northern Ireland. I feel this article needs to mention that the British Empire was the larget empire ever (Is it not strange that the empire has no connection apart from the thirteen colonies and the privateering to either the templars or assassins?) and pioneered the Industrial Revolution. It appears the writer/Ubisoft has delibrately shunned the United Kingdom's great 'achievements' in an American gung ho attitude. The Crusades should deserve a mention here, considering it plays a major part in Assassins Creed 1, with Richard III being from England. Arthur and Camelot, although 'fictional in real life' is 'real' in the AC world, considering Arthur wealded Excalibur, which was a sword of Eden. Arthur was the legendary king of the 'britons' (this being used vaguely as nto much is known about him) —unsigned comment by JamesFlames (talk · contr)
I'm still not quite sure why England was renamed to United Kingdom, since they're not the same thing. At all. Same applies for the Thirteen Colonies redirecting to United States. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:47, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
- Because both the US and the UK are mentioned (or appear) in a modern-day context at least once in the series, and we use the latest appearance as our reference point. We won't be changing Edward Kenway's article to say "pirate who will become an Assassin" just because Black Flag was the latest release, will we.
- Also, while your correct that England and the UK are not the same thing, England as a country ceased to exist in 1707, which the current UK article accounts for. The same goes for the Thirteen Colonies in 1783. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:08, November 16, 2013 (UTC)
I feel I must bring this debate back up. England, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales, ARE countries... NONE of them has ceased to exist. The are 4 separate countries that are united into one Kingdom. A kingdom is not a country and a country is not a kingdom. I therefore suggest a better name for this article would be "British Isles" or with the exclusion of the island of Ireland I would suggest "Great Britain". Besides if Scotland vote for independence, then name changes are needed anyway... Therefore: I suggest the geographical name of British Isles over the political United Kingdom: one refers to a land mass... the other to Kingdom. One will always apply to the region, the other will not and eventually fade. Lord Vespasian (talk) 10:32, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
Well... I did said if... but that is neither here nor there. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a political term for a Kingdom of 4 countries as of 1922. At a push, you can say the United Kingdom has existed since 1707, but no earlier than that.
"Britain", however is the name of the island. And since this article uses information regarding: the 6th, 12th, 13th and 16th Century and very little on the actuality of the United Kingdom, it is more correct to name the article "Britain". If this article encompasses all British history and labels it as the area's current political form... then the Aztec and Maya articles should be considered being merged into the most recent political term of the area, Mexico, in the section "history". The Barons War did not occur in the United Kingdom, it occurred in the Kingdom of England: It would be like saying the Spartacus Slave revolt happened in the Papal States.
I am but one person, and if the majority want the article to be kept as United Kingdom, fair enough, but the history you are putting into the article, is not the UK's history, it is Britain's history and there is a difference. Lord Vespasian (talk) 17:51, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
I am very much against covering everything from the history of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales under "United Kingdom". It isn't convenient or logical, it's just wrong. There is no harm in having separate articles for each of them; not having a lot of information on each of them is not any problem whatsoever. I'd like to have England, Scotland, Wales and Great Britain to be separate articles. Whatever transpired related to the United Kingdom, can stay here. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 18:16, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
- Scotland should be an independent article. My hilarious jokes aside, I completely agree with Sima here. We should give the countries their own articles with relevant information, rather than list it all under United Kingdom, which doesn't make sense. --Crimson Knight Intercom 19:00, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
I think we could rename this article 'Britain' to complement our article on Ireland, because I'm not sure what we could write about Scotland and Wales when a simple Wikipedia link would do. The only thing in AC about Scotland I can recall is that Eric Cooper sought revenge on a hate group there, or that Anto thought Welsh and English people sounded the same. --Alientraveller (talk) 11:21, August 28, 2014 (UTC)