The Article pic is not a Templar, that's one of Richard's knights.
It never actually says that Cain was a Templar and Abel, Adam, and Eve were Assassins, which wouldn't make very much sense. It simply displays the enigmatic Mark of Cain as being the Templars' symbol. In stead of looking to the literal, look to the actual story of Cain and Abel. Cain was mankinds first sinner, and he brought sin into mankind's lineage-in other words, sin=pieces of eden
I don't think they would just make Cain's mark the Templars' logo. I think Cain's personal beliefs had something to do with it as well. Which, I think, makes him the very first follower of the Templars' beliefs. By the way, Those Who Came Before created the Pieces of Eden. Master Sima Yi 11:52, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
How can he be a follower of their belief system if they haven't even been invented yet? Perhaps you mean he is the ideological precursor to the Templars, on whom they base their creed, or maybe it's something deeper like all Templars carry his bloodline. We don't know yet. But in any case, the creators of the Pieces of Eden aren't relevant in an argument about Cain and Abel. He was jealous over the Apple's power and killed his brother nonetheless in order to gain it, which can pretty much be summed up as the epitomy of sin.Rodiggidy 21:21, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
Surely the Glyph sequence figuring Cain, stating the "Mark of Cain" is the Templar symbol is pretty conclusive proof that he was the first Templar... Also, Oppenheimer was probably a Templar, as he was mentioned as "O." in a glyph sequence - non-templars, like Telsa, seem to be always referred too with a name rather than just a letter. As for Able, Adam, and Eden, I don't think they were assassins themselves (though A and E seem to be either 'demigods' or at the very least, leaders of the human rebellion against though who came before), I do think there 'line' was the origin of the Assassins, with some of there descenants retaining the immunity to the pieces of eden (like Altair and the assassins who help him out in the final sequence of Assassins Creed 1, and of course Ezio). Of course, "Assassins: Sons of two worlds" might imply A and E aren't the origin of all assassins, and other "demigods" (i.e. human/those who came before hybrids). Yargling 22:24, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Cain was not a templar, and it makes no sense to refrence him as such. You're taking what was meant to be metaphorical and turning it into a literal sense. On the subject of johnson, he signed the civil rights act into law, which means that he blatently went against everything that the Templars hoped to accomplish by killing him. O stands for oswald.
Secondly, it looks like this page was written by a 7 year old.
Others
Can someone say where all of the "others" appear in the Glyph sequences and their confirmation of them being Templars? Otherwise, they will be removed as they would be assumptions and not fact. -- Master Sima Yi 15:39, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
Is FDR a templar or not? it's saying that he was probably a templar, but on one of the pieces of eden pages, he's listed under "Templar association".
And secondly, where are you guys getting this info about who is and isn't templars or assassins? besides the glyphs and the characters in the games, themsevles.
- The info is from both the glyphs and other in-game media, as well, as the new comics, and other written pieces. And yes, Roosevelt was a Templar. It was spoken of in one of the GLYPH files I believe, can't remember which. Oh, and please remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~) so we know who you are. :) --Piratehunter (Talk•Contribs) 20:45, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
- It never says that he's a Templar. Only that he had an Apple. Subject One 21:57, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
Templars in AC are Atheists/Nihilists/Deists
I was a having a debate with my friend about this topic, I know am right , i just can't seem to find any sources to back it up. can anyone help Twomey1993 21:20, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
In the original AC they feared death more than others because they thought after death there was nothing, no world, no heaven, no god. You're right. Check out this guy's last words for proof. --THIEF 06:50, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
That was just Sibrand, though. It's never specifically indicated that any of the others were atheists. Subject One 21:55, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
Sibrand is pretty cool. Tyler D'Ambrosio 04:12, July 29, 2011 Templars are not Athiest GHOST2924 18:52, August 13, 2011 (UTC)(UTC)
some are but not all the olny one that might be is sibrandGHOST724 03:24, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
Templars are more closer to Nihilists(Believe in no afterlife) and Deists(Believes in the Chirstain god and science but ironicly not such things like miracles, walking on water, and so forth) 75.83.114.81 11:05, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Raylas 04:20, January 3, 2011 (UTC)Keep an eye out
Some religious nutcase Vandilised the Templar page, keep an eye out for this kind of thing. -- Raylas
- Yes, and if I were you I would sign my post next time and Do Not Erase Paragraphs Of Info To Replace Them With Only Two Lines. This is against the rules and WILL get you banned if you do it again. Have a nice day. -Assassin-of-Rayne- 01:03, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
Sixtus IV
"Papacy" is currently listed under "Related organizations", with Lineage cited as the source. As far as I can tell, there's no particular evidence that the Papacy, apart from during Rodrigo's rule, was affiliated with the Templars. Subject One 22:32, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
Also, on an unrelated note, Damascus, Jerusalem, Milan, and Forli shoule be added under "Locations". (Also possibly Masyaf, due to Al Mualim being a Templar.) I just tried to do it myself, but I got lost with the reference format. Once again, I fail at wiki. T-T Subject One 22:57, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
- Damascus, Jerusalem, Milan, and Forli are not listed under locations because the Templars did not control them at any point and/or have a major base of operations in those cities. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 04:48, January 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, except that the cities were formerly controlled by Abu'l Nuquod, Majd Addin, and Girolamo Riario, who were all templars.
- Oh, and Jerusalem is surely a Templar base. It's where the main HQ of the Knights was, on top of the Temple Mount. (before Saladin recaptured the city). Vaxis7 02:30, March 25, 2011 (UTC)
CIA
While some of the Rifts say stuff about "the Company", I don't think they were referring to the Central Intelligence Agency, but rather Abstergo Industries. In Rift Cluster 5, part of Henry Kissinger's letter says "Any traces of this plan should appear to implicate the U.S. government. The Company's involvement must remain hidden." If the CIA were to be implicated, U.S. government would be implicated as a result. Therefore, I don't believe they were referring to the CIA. — M.C.Tales 15:50, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
Templars are possibly Democrats
Has anyone else noticed that the Templars (who want more higher authority and intervention of government) seem to consist of Democrats and Socialists (Boris Yeltsin, Franklin Roosevelt, etc) ? Democrats and Socialists are smiliar to one another in the aspect of placing men over men. This would make the Assassins Republican, correct? Since they believed that men should be able to choose and decide for themselves rather than the government doing it for them.
- No. Sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 21:04, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
- George W. Bush is also a Templar, and he's Republican. It has nothing to do with it, unfortunately. It'd clear up some things. -- Master Sima Yi 22:34, April 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Repulic means a government where few people represents the most of population (Templar). Democracy means a government where the people has the power to decide about potilics (Free will, therefore, Assassins). Lenin was supported by the assassins (The Fall), while Boris Yeltsin was commended by Margaret Thatcher to disolve the USSR (ACB rifts). I'm not saying that socialist where assassins too, but they share the same ideals, preserve the people's free will to build a society where there's no hierarchy
- go guys! The Templars beings can not socialist, they created the capitalist economic system in the united state, and please, make the sequence in AC Broterhood The truth, then you would understand that the main purpose of the Templars are destroying democracy, to destroy the communist order to control the world through capitalism. This is the Templars who overthrow Salvador Allende, communist Prime Minister to be democratically elected in Chile, they also reverse the USSR, so I do not understand why you think that the Templars are communist. And then the Assassins have a Marxist ideology. (sorry for the spelling mistakes, I speak French)- LowikQC 21:33, July 1, 2012 (UTC) added by LowikQC 17:00, july 1, 2012 —unsigned comment by 184.162.173.10 (talk · contr)
- Let me clear this up, hopefully once and for all: the Assassin-Templar conflict isn't black and white. It's not separated between any political views; not between left and right, communistic and capitalistic, republican or democratic, liberal or conservative. Neither the Assassins and Templars are any of that, they are their own faction and don't support any political form of government or any government at all. The Assassins do strive for pure democracy though, while the Templars strive for a benevolent dictatorship; that doesn't mean that they use a specific form of political government to obtain this goal, at all. Besides, the Templars manipulate any political system to obtain their goals regardless; they have done so with all examples I listed. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 21:04, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
- may be, but is still the Templars chose not to manipulate the USSR, for their purpose, and it clearly says, is to destroy democracy and communism to create a perfect world where capitalist and the worker would be safety and do everything that the Templars to their say. The purpose of the Templars is to first create a new world order and a perfect world, like the Nazis. It can thus detect ultra-nationalist ideology on the side of the Templars. LowikQC 21:33, July 1, 2012 (UTC) added by LowikQC 17:20, july 1, 2012
- The Templars didn't feel anything towards communism; they just acted like they did to keep their employees in line, because Abstergo was after all, an American corporation. Lenin may have had connections to the Assassins (the Assassins didn't necessarily support Lenin but supported the Russian population's desires for a communistic government), but Stalin was manipulated by the Templars and in the end killed by the Assassins. The only reason why the Templars abolished the USSR via Yeltsin is because they failed to manipulate Gorbachev into pursuing the Templars' goals, so they created propaganda against Gorbachev and communism. Both Thatcher and Yeltsin were successfully manipulated by the Templars, though. Note: they weren't actual Templars, just mere puppets. Also note that the Templars created capitalism, but they aren't capitalists themselves, they only created it to keep workers and companies in line under their regime. And no, the Templars aren't ultra-nationalist, because then they would want one nation to prosper over the rest of the world; in the end, they want peace like the Assassins, but under their own watchful eye. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 21:52, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
- That may be true, but as the Altair said in his codex, the pure truth does not exist, because it ia too-quick schemes and possibilities. But for more information, ask at ubisoft. But I still believe that the killers fool more accel to a free and democratic world, and the Templars to a world where everyone would be safe, while absent democracy. But the Templars believe that this is how they have peace, I respect their ideas. but the assassins are on a world accel accel much on freedom of expression. Both sides want peace, only the Templars always use the right before it was The Imperialism, and now it's fascism and capitalism, while keeping the goal of preserving peace. The killers themselves, in my opinion have always been neutral in politics, although they were the source of many revolutions, the killers would therefore in my opinion revolutionaries. Then, the symbol of the order of assassins in Russia had a red star in the symbol of assassins.And for Stalin, saying it are a derivative of communist placed bye the templar for execute the communist are not Stalinist. But weel, I respect your ideas, and i think I'm going, but I hope my ideas will make you think too. LowikQC 22:27, July 1, 2012 (UTC) LowikQC
- I never stated my ideas, I stated facts. I've had quite a long discussion with Darby McDevitt (lead writer of Bloodlines, Discovery and Revelations) some time ago and also spoke with Jeffrey Yohalem (lead writer for Brotherhood and The Lost Archive and the writer of the Glyphs and Rifts) and all I said above I took from those conversations, while mixing it in with some game facts... -- Master Sima Yi Talk 22:40, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, I understand now. Thank you, now, I had the opinion of the writer-in-Chief, for your interval, now I can finally rest my political consciousness tranquil and quiet play. For now I know that the conflict between Assassins and Templars go beyond simple political motivation. thank you.LowikQC 23:42, July 1, 2012 (UTC) LowikQC
Conflicting Templates
This article has both the revamp template and the good article template. Which one is it? Smoke3723 06:17, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
E3 2011 Templar
Does anyone know who that guy is? People suggest a descendent of Robert de Sable, but I'm not so sure anymore. After watching an E3 interview, I came to the conclusion that this Templar was a real figure in Ottoman history. I'm trying to find him now, but so far no leads...any ideas? -- Stormbeast 00:26, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Here. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 01:51, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Not quite what I was talking about...thanks anyway. Stormbeast 02:45, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
Try looking through historical sources....Like byzantine figures. Tyler D'Ambrosio 04:23, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
GHOST2924 05:14, August 13, 2011 (UTC)Templars are not athiest because they clearly believed in God for example 15 Templars would charge in to 50 Saracens and ,win the battle. they won because they had no fear of death and they knew God was on there side and the knew if they died they would go to Heaven. If you still not belive me you probley know nothing about them and the ownly imformation you got is based on the game.
Ghost, this is not a wiki about real life. And they would not always win. Stop. CryptoKiller 14:41, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
- "…the ownly imformation you got is based on the game." Well, considering this is a wiki detailing the games, that's something we're proud of. Nobody here cares if the Templar's beleived in a god in reality, only that they were atheist in-game. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:50, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
Freemasons
Well I bought a book about Freemasonry and read a Freemason bible(somewhat, I skimmed through it, my grandfathers uncle had one), and people that, in-game, people who aren't Assassins but have a piece of eden, are Freemasons or Templars. Maybe Templars nor Assassins are Masons, but those who need protection because they have a peice of eden?Ezio Auditore 02:44, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
who's side is ______ on?
Nikola tesla
hans chrishton anderson
Jack london
Mark twain
William shakespeare
romulus
remus
sorry for asking im thinking about making fanon and I was curious about these people.
(AlekLightwood13 17:35, May 21, 2012 (UTC))
- Tesla is an Assassin ally, the rest aren't mentioned and thus we don't know what their affiliation is. Though Twain was shown in a picture with Tesla in one of the Glyphs. -- Master Sima Yi 17:57, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Can you correct the "SPQR" section?
Actually, the title "Infiltrating the SPQR" doesn't mean anything. "SPQR" wasn't a reference to or an abbreviation of any governing body of ancient Rome, namely the Senate. It's an acronym that Romans stamped on their coins to mean that they were issued by "the Senate and the People of Rome" and it afterwards became shorthand for anything that was government-issued. But it never referred directly to a governing body, or even to the governing power itself.
The closest resemblance I can think of is the great seal of the United States, which is a symbol of your government and its purpose is to mark "official" things, if it was known by an acronym. You can't infiltrate that, can you?
So, I suggest that you correct the title into "Infiltrating the Roman Empire" and the phrase "and the ruling body, the SPQR" into "and the ruling body, the Senate". Also, by the time Caesar was appointed dictator-for-life, the Roman state wasn't yet an empire: it was a Republic. Thank you for reading. 195.81.66.174 12:30, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Why don't you change it yourself? (Plus, I'm already revamping the entire page again. But it may take several months to finish.) -- Master Sima Yi Talk 12:32, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- I would have gladly done that myself, but the page is protected to me. Don't know why. 195.81.66.174 15:17, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- You need to be a registered user in order to edit some pages. This being one of them. Crimson Knight Intercom 15:23, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, but I don't want to do that. I'm not even an English native speaker, go figure. I'm Italian, as you may want to know. I was asking if somebody wants to kindly correct that paragraph, thanks in advance. 195.81.66.174 15:30, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- You need to be a registered user in order to edit some pages. This being one of them. Crimson Knight Intercom 15:23, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- I would have gladly done that myself, but the page is protected to me. Don't know why. 195.81.66.174 15:17, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Though you should know that most people here are not native English-speakers, which includes myself. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 15:46, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. :) I will give a tought about that. See you. 195.81.66.174 15:50, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- Done. Though you should know that most people here are not native English-speakers, which includes myself. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 15:46, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
- "I would have gladly done that myself", "Yes, but I don't want to do that". Don't you see how you contradicted yourself? You're not a native English speaker, okay fine, but you were able to use good grammar in your "tl;dr" post.
- And I was merely informing you why you couldn't edit. In future, I'll remember to keep such helpfulness to myself, since it is apparently frowned upon now.
- PS: Several non-English people use the language better than some English people do themselves. Myself included.
- Crimson Knight Intercom 15:55, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
The grammar of this page is terrible-if it could be edited I would correct many tense errors and such. It is disturbing as it is right now.
126.78.29.228 13:10, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
Give us an example. I'd love to see this "terrible grammar" you speak of. Kooala Cupcake. - Leave me a message! 13:40, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
Reginald Birch
Shouldn't Reginald Birch be added to "Notable Grand Masters"? He was obviously between Ahmet and Haytham, but when I try to add it the infobox gets all glitchy which is why I undo'd my edit twice. Can someone else do it please? Ryder 2012 (talk) 03:57, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
- The past tense of "undo" is "undid".
- And I'll add him; if you can convince me how he's more notable than a lot of other Templars.
- PS: Did you use preview mode before saving your changes? Crimson Knight Intercom 04:00, February 15, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, thank you for the spelling lesson. I just thought of it because despite that he was only seen once in the actual video game, he's got a somewhat bigger part in AC:Forsaken. 66.131.163.32 23:03, February 15, 2013 (UTC)