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Other tainted ones

Could Ezio and Desmond be considered "Tainted Ones" as they could use pieces of eden with no adverse side-effects? B O O F H E A D 1 8 5 (talk) 11:28, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

It's possible that they are–Desmond in particular is described as being a confluence of multiple bloodlines possessing high levels of Isu DNA–but they're not currently confirmed to be, so we cannot include them in the article or category. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 11:35, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

Hybrids

The Fate of Atlantis: Judgment of Atlantis labels Kassandra as a hybrid, which would suggest that the "Tainted Ones" are not, in fact, humans, but hybrids themselves. It seems to me that it might be appropriate to merge this article with hybrids. now --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:23, July 22, 2019 (UTC)

I'm actually against this change. It is still uncertain how much of the simulation was changed from Aletheia's time as Dikastes and there is a real chance that Aletheia is in fact a hybrid instead. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:44, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest Aletheia is a hybrid - quiite the opposite infact, since all of her base-game dialogue makes clear that she was an Isu who sided with humanity. Also, to quote Aletheia herself: "What you have experienced are echoes of memories, distorted, but no less real" which suggests that, whilst certain aspects or events depicted in the simulations are manipulated (e.g. Kassandra clones and references to her actions in Elysium and Hades) the context around these events remains true.

The fact that Kassandra is called a hybrid on multiple occasions and by multiple Isu and humans makes me certain that this is more than a simple oversight, and is perhaps an attempt to clarify something not made clear in the base game. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:26, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

I disagree and think that the plot points surrounding the clones, Phanes's codices, and Elpis are evidence that Aletheia was a hybrid and that the simulation isn’t as distorted as you guess. I’m not saying we go edit her page until there is direct confirmation on that but I feel that until we also have a strict definition on how much Isu DNA is needed to be considered a hybrid and if Kassandra meets that criterium we shouldn’t reclassify her either. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 09:39, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

Aletheia states, quite clearly, that she is an Isu ("I am as Isu as you, but I will no longer be part of your exploitation"). Kassandra, on the otherhand, is referred to numerous times as a hybrid – regardless of whether either of us believe she fits the strict criteria (i.e. 50% human 50% Isu), we cannot and should not ignore that. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:10, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

And Connor could say he is as Mohawk as Kanentokon and it would be a true statement even with his mixed blood. And we should not ignore that that all happens in a simulation based on Aletheia's experiences during a time where the concept of Tainted Ones hadn’t been created yet. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 10:30, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

I'm fine with merging them, I thought the exact same thing whilst playing the DLC, it seems that hybrid and Tainted Ones are terms for the same type of person, only generally Isu use the term hybrid and humans say Tainted One. I did not however in any situation thought of Aletheia as an hybrid, imho she's an Isu as was confirmed several times. Kennyannydenny (talk) 10:58, July 23, 2019 (UTC)

Some theories suggest the memories could be based on that of Eve's, given how some of the Isu codices have some information in regards to that. Even so, nothing so far suggest Aletheia being a hybrid at all, imo. I would say the Tainted Ones could just be something that encompess individuals who are hybrids or individuals who have a high percentage of Isu blood in them. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:29, July 30, 2019 (UTC)

Aletheia's note about being the Dikastes makes it more likely that the memories are hers, not Eve's. But the fact that she ostensibly also activated the codices left for Eve makes me think Aletheia was also a hybrid. Same with the interactions with Elpis and Aita. I think it’s possible the events of the simulation all happened to Aletheia including being cloned for a hybrid army. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 13:14, July 31, 2019 (UTC)

In the Gates of Atlantis, Aletheia said We Isu and Fellows Precursors so she is an Isu. But for Elpis, I don't know if we can considered as a hybrid as she is taller than Kassandra after her mutation, so maybe she became totally Isu and not a hybrids as she not the mixed between two species. About the other characters of the series can we labeled all the humans who used the power of a POE or have an Eagle vision as a hybrids?Francesco75 (talk) 13:57, July 31, 2019 (UTC)

As I argued above with Connor a hybrid can identify with one side more than the other. Elpis just shows that hybrids are phenotypically more similar to Isu than regular humans, in contrast to Kassandra. Which brings me back to the original point being that I don’t think we can categorize Kassandra as a hybrid since the only source for it is a simulated experience. To categorize all that have the potential for Eagle Vision would include all humans at this point according to Black Flag. Until we have a more strict definition of a hybrid I say we not touch it. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 14:18, July 31, 2019 (UTC)

Also Poseidon refered that her father is Pythagoras. So the memory was changed to adress specificaly to Kassandra, with her friends in the underworlds and so of her status of hybrid.Francesco75 (talk) 07:07, August 2, 2019 (UTC)