14,422 Pages

This is the discussion page for Swords of Eden.
Here, you may discuss improving the article.
To discuss the subject itself, use the Forums.

  • Be polite
  • Assume good faith
  • Do not insult other people


  • The info on King Arthur pulling excalibur out of the stone does not match the tale. The sword in the stone and excalibur are different swords, excalibur was given to Arthur by the lady of the lake after the sword in the stone was broken. However I don't know what the canon states directly about the sword but I think it should be checked or changed.


  • Does the Sword look exactly like it does in the picture, like a two-handed medieval sword, or can it change into a one-handed falchion or sabre if the user wishes? BleedingEffect 11:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Altair's Sword

What if the sword of Altair in AC2 is the sword of eden. Genghis Khan had the sword but then Altair's son shot his horse which killed him. Would they then not take this piece of eden? that may be why the sword looks different in the second game compared to the first, because its a different sword altogether. The only flaw that i see in this is that the codex never mentioned the sword being in his possession and the fact that Ezio would probably know if he had two pieces of eden rather than just one. The Eagle1701 03:07, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

- Firstly it is never stated that Qulan Gai, the murderer of Genghis Khan, is in fact the son of Altair. The connection may be implied but it is never said to be true. Also, the Sword of Altair from AC2 is in fact the same Sword of Altair from AC1, but that sword is not the best sword in AC1, He later gains the Syrian Sword after memory block 5. This may be the source of your confusion of the subject. Vaxis 06:01, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

Hundred Years' War

I know many things about history, and I am sure that the French, due to Jeanne d'Arc's efforts, won the war, not the English. She was burned at the stake before the war ended, but her cause lived on. She was the main rallying point of the French victory. So this page should be edited to say such. HiddenBlade91 14:54, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Why would such an advanced civilization would have a sword when it can have more advanced weaponry?

Why would such an advanced civilization would have a sword when it can have more advanced weaponry such as guns and lasers? Besides the Apples give knowledge of such advanced weapons. Blix1ms0ns 00:22, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, we have swords until today, even if they're more ceremonial or decorative than anything. Might have been something along the same lines =GuardDog 01:37, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 :It also depends on whether their technological route developed into guns. Take Star Wars for example, the Jedi and Sith use lightsabres, which are far more advanced than anything we have available to us nowadays; they're basically swords. Just because you can hit something from further away does not make it more advanced. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 01:56, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
So can you deflect or cut bullets, bolts, or arrows with what sword (similar to how lightsabers can deflect lasers if the wielder is skilled enough) or it is just super sharp or lucky?

I don't think the sword is meant as a weapon really anyway, when you consider that it wasn't necessarily made fighting per se as TWCB didn't know there was going to be a war etc.. (otherwise they would have arverted the first disaster). perhaps it was made after though... Subject AMDR 08:36, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

What makes you think that the sword is NOT capable of firing energy projectiles? If you can make something that works like a gun, but is shaped like anything, why not have it shaped like something that can be used at close range, as well?

Well, It probably can, as shown with the Staff of Eden. Also, Sign your posts. Assassinhood 09:49, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

SWORD OF EDEN: It does not signify an ordinary weapon. The sword could possess warfare knowledge that could be very vital to wars against the First Civilization's enemies. Or like what hood said, it could use energy forces like the staff. You can witness that with all the pieces of eden present in the games.RogwelTarune 09:36, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

The First Civilization is implied to also have had more advanced weapons than swords. If you pay close attention to the projection emitted from Ezio's Apple in AC2 when he accidentally activated it, you can see the silhouettes of, among other items I don't quite recall, both a modern main battle tank and a C-130 Hercules cargo plane. If they had tanks and planes, it's a plausible assumption that they had firearms or some equivalent since, even today, a firearm is far less technologically advanced. And besides all that, we don't know anything about what weapons the war between humans and the First Civilization was fought with, just that it happened. Ghost Leader (talk) 15:24, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but that could have just been from the future not from the first civilization. Kinda like the Altiair memory when he kills the man with the gun (sorry I forgot his name) saying "and the future." before he kills him with the hidden gun that Ezio uses. The sword was probably used as a weapon because the first civilization was focusing thier technology more on science and ways to save the planet then on war, as they say countless times.The-Master Assassin2015 (talk) 15:40, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Ghengis Khan

I don't believe that there's any evidence that Ghengis Khan had the Sword. Altair suspected he had a Piece of Eden, but he didn't say which one. Sounds like speculation to me. 02:32, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I think Ghengis Khan was seen in possession of the Sword during one of Subject 16's Glyphs in ACII. -- ’R BlaiddDdraig 02:40, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

If you look at the image posted on the article, the second person out of the five (selected images) is Ghengis Khan. The image is as BlaiddDdraig said is from one of Subject 16's glyphs.
Vatsa 03:10, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

No, that was Atila the Hun. The five images from the glyph are Perseus, Atila, Arthur, Sigmund, and Joan of Arc.

That's 5 people from the glyph. No Genghis. There is nowhere any actual mention of the Sword in the hands of the Khan, except speculation. It arises from a line on codex page 29, I believe; Altair mentions that he suspects the Khan's power to stem from a PoE, and although he was probably right, he does not mention a sword at all.

It makes the most sense (the Sword builds great conquerors), but nowhere is it implied Genghis had the Sword. It's probably best he be removed from this article for the time being. Vaxis7 16:03, March 24, 2011 (UTC)

Technically it is implied, but not confirmed. I'd say it's fine to keep as long as the article is clear on it not being confirmed. 06:51, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Multiple ownership?

How is Joan of Arc both an Assassin owner and a neutral owner? ShermTank7272 18:04, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Excalibur was never in a stone

Just so people know. Anyone who has read Arthurian legend knows that Excalibur was the sword that Arthur received from the Lady of the Lake. The sword he pulled from the stone pedestal is a different sword in the legend. A minor thing and probbaly not worth editing, just putting it out there though.

Things work slightly differently in the AC-Universe, and since we are the ACWiki, we have their version of events. Nesty Contact me! 08:29, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

I know that full well. I am simply saying it for the sake of erudition. I also agree it should not be edited but I think it a neat thing to know anyways 13:16, January 9, 2012 (UTC)


I have read the article and references, and here it is A LOT of content that it is not stablished as canon. Why do you describe all that (in certain way "imaginary") story about the swords of the eden? Most of their references are just "Assassin's Creed II", and I pressume it's from the glyph about "Piece of Eden 25 - Sword". Ok, in the article says "In the late 5th to early 6th century, Arthur pulled a Sword of Eden out of a stone, nicknamed it Excalibur, and used it to become King of Britain.[1]". Really? First of all, it would be "In the late 2nd to mid 3rd century" when Lucius Artorius Castus lived at, but doesn't really matter. Second, we actually DO NOT know that! We just see a picture! It's an illustration by Walter Crane done in 19th century! That picture doesn't mean that "Arthur pulled a Sword of Eden out of a stone", is just a representative painting that Subject 16 is using for telling us "Hey man, do you know that guy in the picture pulling a sword out of a stone? yeah, King Arthur, you got it. Well... THAT guy had got a Sword of Eden. Great, huh?". But that doesn't mean that Arthur actually got it pulling it out from a stone... Can you imagine that? People around seeing a high-tech sword that seems like everything but a conventional sword, and nobody try to get it. And, like another guy said before, Excalibur was not pulled out from a stone. The same happens with the story about Attila and Joan of Arc. This article should contain just the info we actually know and the pictures from the Glyphs. Sorry for my english! Phonon (talk) 13:00, April 18, 2013 (UTC)Phonon

Broken or inaccessible

Is the sword Arno has broken because it not longer emits lightning? Or is it inaccesebile to him as he does not have the same ratio of first civilization DNA? Not counting the knowledge of first civilization artifacts that sages have been known to display.--FossilLord 07:50, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

We are uncertain of how Pieces of Eden work outside of the fact that they require some amount of First Civilization DNA to wield well enough, such as by a Sage. Therefore, we can't be certain. That said, I doubt it had to do with him being a Sage being able to use the lightning, as the nameless Templar in the opening, who is never outright stated to be a Sage and did not appear to have that amount of DNA (especially since he gave zero indication of being a part of the Instruments of the First Will unlike Germain, Roberts, and Standish), was able to use it to project lightning against Thomas de Carneillon. We don't know what can break a Piece of Eden beyond functionality, especially in light of how only a shard of a Staff of Eden was able to control minds and give powers to those who used it in Nikolai Orelov's story. It's entirely likely that Arno simply did not know how to do that.GZilla311 (talk) 19:43, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed: Memories

AC: Memories shows two characters owning a Sword of Eden across different centuries and places: Genghis Khan and Takeda Shingen. There is no more data that could suggest that they are the same artifact? Miracle guy (talk) 00:10, September 12, 2017 (UTC)

Sword of Axon

In the Parthenon shrine, I found the sword of Axon, which really look a like a sword of Eden. Can we considered it as one of them?Francesco75 (talk) 22:41, February 3, 2019 (UTC)

I don't think we could categorise it as such unless there's some sort of confirmation by the Essential Guide. Either way, there's alot of "out of ordinary" weapons in Odyssey anyway but none are PoEs or SoEs. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:00, February 4, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah that's also gunna be a "no" from me, dawg. It's just a reskin of the regular Obsidian Sword which in turn is a reskin of Origin's Tempest Blade. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:31, February 4, 2019 (UTC)
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.