Resemblance to Templar Armor[]
Am I the only one that noticed his outfit bears a strong resemblance to the Templar Armor? It's not exactly the same. It's a little slimmer, but it's pretty damn close. Does anyone think it's worth mentioning in the Triva or anything? Nickreaper (talk) 20:01, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
I believe that the templar armor was adapted for Shay. Because, during the time between Black Flag and Rouge it stolen, I think, by Assassins who then modify by giving it a hood, due to black flag not having one and then gave it to shay, which he then modify for his own purpose.
But still - I think it's the same armor, despite 50 years of modifications. Since Edward left Inagua for Assassins, then maybe he left all his outfits as well, foк future assassins to use and they gave it to same high-ranking member. Hlelia (talk) 02:14, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Shay Cormac or Shay Patrick Cormac[]
As you can see on this page of the game informer : [1], Shay's middle name is not used. Patrick is only used in the first quote of the article in order to formally introduce the character. So I propose a renaming of the article without Patrick, as for the article about Arno, which is titled Arno Dorian and not Arno Victor Dorian. A link for the 26 pages of the GameInformer article : [2] .Maxattac (talk) 22:57, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Wasn't Duncan Walpole also a templar (I know he was an assassin but he also turned) that could (did) perform a leap of faith?.. Shouln't Shay be the sixth?
186.66.41.55 07:36, August 17, 2014 (UTC)Brahamadude
- Walpole never formally became a Templar. He would have been inducted when he met with Torres and company in Havana. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 08:51, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
Page lock request[]
Could we please have this page locked to anonymous users? Continual edits are being made which are then having to be reverted, simply because some people have no grasp on the concept of "no speculation" or any idea how to format what they type. Slate Vesper (talk) 20:20, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
- I second this. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ Walkie-talkie 21:27, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
- Before we lock this page to anonymous users. Can someone please edit in the affiliation tab that he was part of the British army. Cause I don't know if anyone has seen it yet. But his ship, the Morrigan sails with a British flag. ProneCreature47 (talk) 20:32, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
- So did the Aquila, apparently, and we all know how that went. --Crimson Knight Intercom 20:35, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
- Yes I read that. But here's the difference. In the naval gameplay demo for Rogue. It was stated that your allied with the British and you help them during the Seven Years War. ProneCreature47 (talk) 20:40, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
- I know, I just wanted to look clever. xD
- In all seriousness, perhaps we should wait for the game to come out, just to see the extent of his affiliation to the British. --Crimson Knight Intercom 20:46, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
- Allied with the British =/= part of the British army, at least to my knowledge. Surely the Templars are up to more than supporting the British? They could be using the British flag as cover for their activities :s Crook The Constantine District 20:44, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
Irish/American?[]
Son of Irish immigrants. It explains Shay's shoddy Irish accent, but what are we going to do with his nationality? I am still not on board with this "country where individual is living" category being added as a nationality by the way, but nobody seemed interested in continuing this discussion on Seraffo's page. Seeing as this is a trend you seem to have started, Bovkaffe, I'd like to hear your perspective on this.
Fyi, I vote we keep the Americans category and ditch the Irishmen one for Shay. We can clarify the nationality issue in the article itself. Crook The Constantine District 18:11, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
He is both , at that time he would of been basically Irish. Americans weren't as we know them today obviously immirgrant children born in america were still ethnically and culturally the culture of their parents so he is Irish through and through otherwise the devs would not of given him the accent.
Master Assassin?[]
I noticed that, in the categories section, there's a tag (I guess it's called a tag) for Master Assassin. Is this mere speculation, or has it been officially confirmed that Shay had become a Master Assassin sometime before his eventual defection? 85.72.73.110 16:01, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Adewale's killer?[]
Of course nothing can be posted yet, but Adewale was murdered in 1758, and the game takes place during the Seven Years' War. Combine that with the fact that we have a screenshot of the two men fighting, and it's highly possible that Shay was the one who killed Adewale. So the game may have a mirrored structure of the others; a Templar being sent on missions to kill high-ranking Assassins, instead of vice versa. What does everyone else think? CaptainOHH (talk) 21:20, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, Shay killed Adéwalé, I think. --Crimson Knight Intercom 21:24, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- It is an almost certain occurence, otherwise it would be pointless to bring Adéwalé into the Colonies in Rogue. Shay will pretty much stomp the Brotherhood there, and leave Achilles alive in the very end. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ Walkie-talkie 21:26, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- Or maybe Shay will be sent to take out Achilles for the final showdown, but Achilles will be too good of a fighter and so he'll kill Shay, then maybe Haytham gives up on Achilles because of Shay's death (since it's almost certain Shay will be acting under Haytham's orders). I don't know, I'm just excited. CaptainOHH (talk) 21:44, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- Shay can't die in the game. He has to conceive a child so that his genetic memories finish. And we already know that Haytham spared Achilles because he was a broken man, and killing him wouldn't have really made an impact. Much like Ezio sparing Rodrigo, this didn't end well. --Crimson Knight Intercom 21:46, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- Unless his offspring is there to see him die, like Haytham and Ratohnhaké:ton did. Jasonnorthrup (talk) 22:13, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- Shay can't die in the game. He has to conceive a child so that his genetic memories finish. And we already know that Haytham spared Achilles because he was a broken man, and killing him wouldn't have really made an impact. Much like Ezio sparing Rodrigo, this didn't end well. --Crimson Knight Intercom 21:46, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
- I'm hoping that Haytham fights Adéwalé, mainly because I think that there would be some great dialogue between them. Welshman15 (talk) 11:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
- The answer to both is yes, though Haytham did not personally fight Adewale but rather traded gunfire and verbal barbs to distract him for Shay. If they bring Shay back, I will kill that wretched traitor for murdering one of my favourites. -- JediMasterSam, submitted 21:33, June 24, 2016.
- His genetic memories finish through a child? I'm not sure what you mean. If a child is born, his child's genes will store the memories of him that he has after fatherhood? How does that work out? Why is there a need for a child?AC Denton (talk)AC_Denton
Maybe the Assassins aren't that good after all[]
Hey guys, Shay probably changed his mind to move to the Templars, cuz in one of the trailers, he said "You made me slaughter innocents! I will not make that mistake again!" So maybe the assassins made Shay fire those mortars into that inncocent city, eading him to believe that the city was populated with templars?
TNTdude2003 (talk) 11:15, October 14, 2014 (UTC)TNTdude2003
- "Assassins fool one of their own into slaughtering a city of innocents"... How on earth does that match up with the Brotherhood's ideals? There's no way it's going to be as simplistic as that. And if it is, that's piss-poor storytelling on Mr Farrese's part. If they're going to suddenly make the Assassins evil to justify Shay being our protagonist and joining the Templars, I'll be very disappointed with this game. Crook The Constantine District 11:21, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
- I'll believe it when I see it. I did not find the podcast all that informative :s Crook The Constantine District 11:58, October 14, 2014 (UTC)
- Not the first time the murderers destroy a city killing civilians. Remember the destruction of Cappadocia by Ezio. Spanish assassin (Talk) 14:49, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Judgment error and frankly a bit out-of-character for Ezio to do. There's a difference between one Assassin "accidentally" (his intention was not to kill all those people) committing such an act and a Brotherhood conspiring to do so on purpose. Crook The Constantine District 14:56, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Those tripwire bombs from Revelations could be pretty reckless too. Jasonnorthrup (talk) 23:06, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Judgment error and frankly a bit out-of-character for Ezio to do. There's a difference between one Assassin "accidentally" (his intention was not to kill all those people) committing such an act and a Brotherhood conspiring to do so on purpose. Crook The Constantine District 14:56, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe so, but I don't think the colonial or carribean assassin's use those. SpiderMatty (talk) 04:26, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
- Are we still at the point where "Assassins are good" and "Templars are bad"? Geez. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 05:32, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
- My guess some one in the brotherhood has grown to be do whatever it takes type of man even sacrficing innocents for the cause. If look at achilles face when shay talked about the slaughtering of innocnets there was lot of shock like that was not supposed to happen.Yorae paladin1 (talk) 18:15, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
Danial cross is shear cormac[]
Danial cross is the desmond miles of this game
And your proof being? Slate Vesper (talk) 08:43, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
Who's "Danial"? --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ Walkie-talkie 13:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
New Quote[]
"What kind of world are we making if we cannot show mercy?" Isn't that a more suitable quote? 94.71.186.188 20:11, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
Cabbage Farmer?[]
Chevalier calls Shay a "cabbage farmer" many times. Was this just an insult or was it one of his past proffesions, since many people were farmers back then? GoldenBoy99 (talk) 03:50, December 27, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think the Cormacs themselves were "cabbage farmers" - they were sailors, seamen. This makes me think the insults is based on a stereotype, though I can't really speak to that: were Irish people commonly thought of as (cabbage) farmers back then? Crook The Constantine District 09:05, December 27, 2014 (UTC)
- I would have called him a potato farmer. --Crimson Knight Intercom 23:22, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
why did him shave his beard and make his hair all fancy after he fell of that rock and broke his bones?
- Why not? --Crimson Knight Intercom 23:22, January 18, 2015 (UTC)
Death?[]
I found out about Shay's death, but I'm not sure if it's real... it's in this comic called Bonfire of the Creed.
Comic Link: http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/286/1/5/bonfire_of_the_creed_by_sunsetagain-d82oj4y.jpg
112.119.170.5 10:38, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Friedhelm Thorne
A wikia contributor
- Definitely fanmade, Sunsetagain is a big fan of Assassin's Creed: Rogue. Crook The Constantine District 10:43, August 26, 2015 (UTC)
Who exactly trained Shay I meen I now he was brought into the brotherhood by Liam and instructed by Hope, Liam, and Kesegowaase but did Achilles train him as well or just oversee his training as a test for Liams skill as a teacher. I believe if Achilles trained him personally Shay would not have turned his back on the order.
Trivia and update[]
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0aNOdYDnogk
I'm curtain you all already know of this. Anyway the possibility to kill innocents is an Animus Glitch and Shay got another mission by Haytham after getting the Precursor Box. --ACsenior (talk) 14:51, September 23, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry my mistake, Haytham giving him another mission was part of the question. What Rogue's written said is that he's been looking for more Boxes/Manuscripts after the assassination of Charles. --ACsenior (talk) 21:26, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Misunderstandings[]
Shay betrayed the assassins after a terrible misunderstanding. He believed the Templars were doing good intentions —unsigned comment by 71.226.72.236 (talk · contr)
First you need to sign your comments. Second so what. --Revan's Exile (talk) 20:53, April 15, 2017 (UTC)
No need to be rude, Revan. Rummy00 (talk) 22:50, July 7, 2017 (UTC)
- While Revan's Exile here might've been a bit blunt, what he means to say is that talk pages are reserved for discussions on actual issues with the article itself, i.e. how to improve it. I'm not sure (if you're the same person as the anon), what Shay's betrayal owing to a terrible misunderstanding (and it is) has to do with improving the article. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 02:05, July 8, 2017 (UTC)
Article image[]
The guy on the image looks nowt like Shay, is it fan art by any chance? MedievalVibes (talk)
- No, this is the official high res render. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 16:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
Non Canon Tag[]
Why is this here?Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:35, 2 May 2023 (UTC)