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Reincarnations of Aita

If Sages are reincarnations of Aita doesn't that mean there can only be one incarnation at any given time period? How can Thom Kavanaugh (1652 - 1700s) and John Bartholomew Roberts (17 May 1682 – 10 February 1722) coexist? Bartlmay (talk) 15:33, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

How can they not be? They have the memories and personality of Aita in addition to their own imprinted in their being. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 15:36, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think 'reincarnation' is an iffy term for what the Sages are, but there's nothing that says reincarnations have to be consecutive, rather than concurrent. Indeed, given that two of the three known Sages lived at the same time, it's actually more likely that another Sage is alive in 2013, than not. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 12:06, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

This article is riddled with assumptions. The Grand Llama (talk) 23:44, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Did the assassins and templars of the time (late 17th/early 18th century) know that sages were incarnations of the precursor civilization member Aita? Kenway clearly had no idea what was going on with roberts in the observatory. Also did the people of abstergo entertainment know what was up with John in terms of him being Aita? Gr1m r4p3r (talk) 14:34, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Kenway wasn't an Assassin or Templar at the time. But to answer your question, no. No, they did not know they were reincarnations of Aita; only that they possessed knowledge of the location of the Observatory, and the means to access it. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:39, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Roberts clearly knew he was a reincarnation - vide his dying words. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 17:06, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

I think Jasca was talking about the late 17th/early 18th century Templars there, Kain. I don't think they knew of the Sages' true origins, but it's been a while since I completed Black Flag, so my memory might be hazy. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 17:14, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

What about the people of the modern times at abstergo entertainment and Shaun and Rebecca? Did they know what was going on with John right at the end? Gr1m r4p3r (talk) 23:34, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Obviously not. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 23:40, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

Addition to category of First Civilization?

Considering the intrinsic link between the Sages and the First Civilization, especially in how many follow the ideals of the Instruments of the First Will, even if not intentionally (see also, Bartholomew Roberts and François-Thomas Germain), it seems like a big enough link to put them in the category for it at the bottom. I can easily be wrong. I just thought I'd put it out there as an option.GZilla311 (talk) 22:41, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Clay Kaczmarek ?

Is Clay also a Sage ? Or is one of his ancestors maybe a sage ? Cause in Unitys ending we saw how Germain saw those sign, some of them are equal to them Clay saw an "wrote" on the wall at abstergo. What do you think ? GrandTheftAndi (talk) 00:09, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

No, Clay is not a Sage. Why would Clay be a Sage? There's nothing indicating that. Desmond's not a Sage either, and he saw those symbols too, in the Colosseum Vault. Clay relived the lives of a whole lot of people. Through his own genetic memory, he witnessed those symbols, similarly to how "we" do. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 00:13, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

something on sages

This mentions david johns but also someone form the fith century, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tli_GKcP76o.--FossilLord 05:50, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Pendant

The portrait on 'his' pendant (Roberts and John) could be Juno Hutchy01 (talk) 21:40, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

That's why it's noted in the Trivia sections of both Roberts' and John's articles. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 21:59, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Roberts, I doubt, since it was already on Howell Davis' corpse. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ ^{Walkie-talkie} 22:33, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

How many Sages can there be at once?

Can Sages be in the same year but in different countries or?

Awesomekid120 (talk) 15:51, February 5, 2015 (UTC)Awesomekid120

Yes, they can. Sages Thomas Kavanagh, Jr.'s and Bartholomew Roberts's lifetimes overlapped and they both lived in the same region, though they didn't meet, as far as we know. As for how many Sages can be alive at the same time, who knows? At least two, but probably more. Crook ^{The Constantine District} 15:55, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, was really confused about that one

Awesomekid120 (talk) 15:58, February 5, 2015 (UTC)Awesomekid120

speculation

Is it possible that Adha of Assassin's Creed: Altaïr's Chronicles is a sage? —unsigned comment by Spanish assassin (talk · contr)

No - for one, all know Sages have been male. And secondly, she's already the "Chalice". Crook ^{The Constantine District} 10:36, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Syndicate says there's a possibility for females to be Sages, but she's lacking the signature heterochromia. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 10:47, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Mercenary Chalkon the Sage

I find in the mercenary list an individual who seems to have heterochromia and his bio said that he tried to conquer the world. Maybe a sage? I don't know this mercenary his randomized or present for all players.Francesco75 (talk) 08:00, April 2, 2019 (UTC)

Possibly, but it would be speculative to include him on this article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:12, April 2, 2019 (UTC)

Article's Chronology

The chronological order of the facts in the history section is wrong. Osteoderrms (talk) 04:57, April 28, 2019 (UTC)

Reincarnation in intro

Can someone think of a better word for this? It’s a bit misleading as the mechanics behind sagehood are genetic rather than "soul" transfer. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 21:04, April 17, 2020 (UTC)