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The staff can make you invisible!!

in assassins creed 2 rodrigo uses the staff to turn invisible. It would be interesting to identify the locations on the map. - Redmess 17:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=2RrcUFAj8aM&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3D2RrcUFAj8aM

Some intresting comments here. The Truth video is the ending of Assassin's creed II. There is something about Adam and Eve or something? I didn't watch for I didn't want to see the ending for myself on youtube.--86.21.153.45 12:49, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Find all the glyphs(20 of 'em) left by Subject 16. It is Adam and Eve, or at least two people with the same name. That is confirmed by the actual video that you see in the game.--71.50.136.97 05:13, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

New Codex Map

The completed codex map viewed through eagle vision at the end of ACII is pretty interesting. A lot of the dots are the same as in AC1 but some are different and there is now 47. Also, there are 8 Assassin's seals. Personally, I think these seals represent the temples that Minerva spoke of at the end of ACII. These 8 seals appear to represent America(New York), China(Xiang), Norse civilization, Kingdom of Nri (Nri-Igbo), the Majapahit empire (Trowulan) and the Galapagos Islands(for whatever reason). The other two seals are located in parts of the ocean where no islands exist (south of Australia and West of South America(it is too far away to be Easter Island)). Also of note, one of the dots appears to be right in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, which is usually where Atlantis is depicted to be.

I think that the assassin's marks on the map are peices of eden that the assassins managed to obtain/seal up at the time of writing.--CloudHiro 11:18, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

^or rather the ones they had not gotten too? both seem unlikely as getting to Easter island or anywhere in America would be next to impossible for crusader era technology honestly i don't know what they could possibly mean but it is a great question. TheEncounter 22:38, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe the holographic map from the apple had updated since Altaïr viewed it first in AC I, so he managed to update his copy in the codex? Искренне ваш, Бронебой Первый Всепоглощающий 21:54, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Slightly Offended

"Altaïr is described as being "arrogant" and "a traitor" - like a certain angel named Lucifer who rebelled against the laws of Heaven...for Altaïr believes that people should have the free will to decide their own destinies." The very purpose of god is that men are given free will, were we not the devil wouldn't have had free will to choose to leave, get the picture? I know it isn't a huge deal to people who aren't Christians but to me putting Satan in a good light is a very bad thing, I suggest someone at least remove or alter the part about Lucifer, if you want to be ignorant of religion, then at least have the decency to not mention it so blatantly.Toolazytomakeaaccount 06:00, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Get over it, it's a game. Religious people should have some respect for others that aren't religious as well and not call them ignorant simply because they're stating the way something is or a fact that exists in a fictional universe. That's the problem with so many religious people, they expect respect while not giving it and being so judgemental.

Well, its not ment to be a religious game, in fact, in the continuity of the game its sujested that all the religions, wars, times of peice, and leaders were actualy caused by people manipuating the peices of eden. (for instance, its sujested jeasus used A Apple peice of eden to give the people hope in the faith of a higher power, and used the shroud peice of eden to resurect himself after death) its not ment to be a real world cannon, just game cannon. dont take it seriously. just think of it as a alternate universe to ours :) Though the game is right though, way to many massiahs of various religions have very similar stories, born from virgins with names that start with M, the 3 kings, etc. Christianity is the newest one to have this story. Really makes you think honestly. Not that I dont beleve in god mind you. I do. I just dont beleve in religion because far to many people use religion as a excuse to do terrible things and so on, like the holy wars in the dark ages, or terrorist suicide bombers very recently. what I beleve that it doesnt matter what religion you follow, as long as your a geneneraly good person. (ends rant mode <.<)--CloudHiro 11:31, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree that the game should be viewed as a parallel universe, although I find that it is leaning against Catholocism more than other religions because the templars are based within the catholic church, their leader becomes the pope, the catholic leader of Britain is a templar ally, Minerva says "beware the cross" not beware the templar or those that stand in your way but specifically the cross even though it is no longer a templar symbol like abstergo's banner, it just seems a little biased in that direction. Otherwise not a very offensive game since the concept of free will and freedom from bondage by injustice (Those Who Came Before and Humans) are central to most religions in one form or another. Also religion should not be bashed because it is used as an excuse for evil, patriotism, family, and personal welfare have been used for evil as well. Does that mean they should be given up? Also, 3 kings? What are you talking about? The Magi were mentioned specifically in christianity and nowhere else. Mary is also not a repetition why would the jewish founders of Christianity use pagan traditions? Their culture forbade the teaching of such religions to jews and the prophecy of the virgin birth was written down hundreds of years before by the prophet Isaiah. They chronicled Jesus' life as they saw it from their own experiences, whether or not the miracles are true is up to you, but why would a bunch of fishermen even try something that crazy if it was just a copy of what came before? Your argument has no basis in reason. Lastly, Fanaticism is not caused by religion. Religion is only one outlet for fanaticism to latch onto.--24.160.152.192 05:50, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree to CloudHiro. This is just a game, and many religions are based on the same fact. To be true, every god is the same god, but with different points of view. Let's not discuss something as personal as religion here, this is a game's page. if someone feels offended by something as minor and fictcious as a game, one must stop and think about his life so far. My opinion, though. -- D. Cello 16:45, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

The whole Assassin's Creed Series' story does lean against the Catholic Church, but to be honest, who hasnt? specially in recent times. The game just takes this element from real life and redefines it in a storyline that is rather attractive. As a catholic it used to bug me in the past, but ive gotta admit that the story is put together in such a way that you always want to find out what happened in the past and what will happen in the future. A great storytelling and a very fun gameplay is what makes this series great. Dont take the story as an attack to templars or church, for example god of war changed almost everything in greek mythology and nobody can say it "attacked" one of the most important sources of history and art and it was a great game. I know that comparing greek mythology and catholic beliefs seems rather weird, but remember that religion is about believing, not seeing. And being a good person is matter of perspective and a very complex matter that's still in discussion within social scientists. Im catholic and therefore believe that there is one god, maybe the reason why there are so many different beliefs is a matter of interpretation of god's message, understanding things the opposite way is not strange to humans so it seems rather possible, although if god himself cannot make humans get his message right then nobody can. Bottomline, great game, very fun to play and looking forward to Revelations. Sorry if i made any mistakes, english aint my native language200.69.26.248 19:16, October 4, 2011 (UTC)october 4th 2011

Confirmed Artfiacts: Sword? Shroud?

Could be Excaliur? Or some other kind of mythical sword? Just to throw in some ideas.

By that I mean something humanity could´ve mistaken for Excalibur

The Piece of Eden 25 (26?) IS Excalibur, among many other things, because there is a picture in one of the glyphs showing King Arthur pull the powerful sword out of the rock. Perhaps King Arthur was a prophet, and that's why only he could move the Piece of Eden, like only Ezio could open the vault?

92.24.146.205 17:30, November 14, 2011 (UTC)If it is Excalibur then it's the sheath, NOT just the sword. Within the myth he was only undefeatable if he had the sheath, which his sister threw in the lake. That's not to say that Attila didn't have the sheath, but if it's not getting mentioned at all I'm disappointed by Ubisoft's research. Losing the sheath happens very early in the King Arthur myths, after all. 92.24.146.205 17:30, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Shroud Piece of eden

Piece of eden.....Shroud....number not sure........named in assassins creed 2 subject 16 memory glitch (CONFIRM)

Shroud has been connected to Leonardo Da Vinci and Jesus (Piece of eden sounds plausable)

I think the Sword might be in Japan. On the Codex Map there is Nara, Japan. In Atsusa Shrine, there is an Imperial Sword. One of the Sacred Japanese Treasures - Kusanagi no Tsurugi. 83.29.5.33 14:27, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Against the religions around the world?

Some people in the world say that AC series is a game that denies their religions existence. Especially on the three Abrahamic religions, where many of its beliefs based on one true God that came to be believed, because of the miracles and powers caused by the pieces of Eden around the world. I know guys its against us but its Just a game...

Actually i think the game explicitly says that every religion is wrong and the pieces of eden or whatever made everything. Ya that is bullshit, but it makes for an interesting plot and shouldnt be taken seriously. I do find it interesting that there is a disclaimer at the beginning of the game stating it was made by people of various cultures and faiths though...hmmm

It's fiction. Stop being offended.

Bloody Christian Militants

The Theories Section

Is just way too cluttered, and a bunch of the theories aren't even backed by any sort of evidence/fleshed out by any explanation. Some are just ridiculous. Since most of these have been created purely by arbitrary conjecture, could they be moved into the discussion and OUT of the article?

Here it is. -- D. Cello 15:18, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Theories About the Piece of Eden and the Other Artifacts

1. In the Truth video, Adam and Eve both see human workers or slaves in some sort of factory. Maybe the Piece of Eden was controlling the minds of the slaves and Adam and Eve were immune to its power. Perhaps Altair and Desmond are descendants of the two.
2. The artifacts protect earth somehow.
3. We are told by Dr. Vidic that they were left by Those Who Have Come Before.
4. The Artifacts also seem to have other abilities like time travel (it is mentioned in the emails on Lucy Stillman's computer). It is possible that they were made in the future and, for some reason, sent back in time. Perhaps when the Piece of Eden was damaged in Assassin's Creed, the map was not showing where to find the other artifacts but it was picking a location for it to travel to safety.
5. There was a race of beings on Earth, whilst dinosaurs lived, that created the Artifacts. And it was no meteorite that hit the earth, but some huge explosion caused by the Artifacts that ended much of the life on the Earth at the time.
6. Desmond and his ancestors all have some sort of link with the Artifacts, which would explain why they can resist its power.
7. (Please edit later as the proof can be found on Youtube) Adam and Eve (who had blue, glowing lines) managed to steal "The Apple" by using free-running (Supporting theory 4) from the Garden of Eden (which looked more like a facility with seemingly enslaved workers working to build possibly more pieces). All of this can be found by finding all the glyphs left by Subject 16 and unlocking the video, "The Truth".
8. It has been suggested that at some point multiple Pieces of Eden became centralized and governed over by a council of Templars and dispatched to parts of the world in which they perceived there power to be in jeopardy. This can be assumed form the decoded glyphs Ezio helps Desmond uncover in Assassins Creed II. In one such message a world map is shown with a number of high level dignitaries and historical figures, all implied targets of assassins, all of which were directly involved with restorations, or attempted restorations of trappings of power. IE: Mary I of England whom is on the list, Following her father (Henry VIII) creation of the first Protestant state, as well as his standing objection against Pope Paul III, remained a catholic and on her coronation went about persecuting all whom rejected the church's power. It can be assumed she was given a piece of eden by the Pope, or other machinations of the Templars to bring England back into the fold. As she is canonically referred to as assassinated by in game content, it can be assumed that instead of confiscating the Apple, the assassins respected the lineage and bestowed it upon Elizabeth I. (This is not fully true as some on this list also represent apparent Templar assassins whom were killed in vengeance for being successful in some measure (John W. Booth).)
9. Just an idea but i dont see how ezio had altairs apple as in revelations he got an apple in masyaf and we saw altiar put it in the box.

Dude, much thanks. The article looks much better. - BlackCataclysm 10:24, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Labeling Piece of Eden 1

In this article, Piece of Eden 1 is listed as being the Piece of Eden possessed by Altair, as well as by Adam and Eve. What evidence points to this? I myself am trying to clarify which piece of eden was used by Altair, but I can't find any evidence indicating that this was, in fact, the one he was using. Anyone know for sure?

Guest (IrvineTomoe) 01:03, December 17, 2009

I'm also confused. On the PoE page, it says that the Second Apple was the one destroyed in the satellite incident. But there are other claims that the First Piece of Eden, the one possessed by Altair and Ezio, was destroyed as it refers to the destroyed Apple as the "Masyaf Piece of Eden". I think there's a bit of confusion there.

Andorran Mobster 02:59, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

It was Piece of Eden 1 , the apple that Altair got which was destroyed in the satellite incident, Vidic states this in Asassin's Creed when Desmond asks him if they are after the Piece of Eden he sees, he tells Desmond that they already found it. As we know it turns out they are looking for the map. It is also told that The Masyaf piece of Eden was destroyed in the satellite incident on the computer, which is the first piece of eden.

(Turny 03:25, January 16, 2010 (UTC))

Actually, the emails say that it was the second one. Quote: "We applaud your continued efforts to locate an alternate artifact following the loss of no. 2 in the DIA Satellite Accident." Lucy mentions that it was the one from Masyaf (the one carried by Al Mualim, Altair, and Ezio) that was destroyed in "the Accident". So, returning to the original point (which seems to have been misinterpreted), it would appear that the "Masyaf Piece of Eden" -- the same one carried by both Altair and Ezio -- is, in fact, the second Apple. As for the one stolen by Adam and Eve, there's no telling (at least at this point) which one that is. 98.192.42.30 18:33, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

(Guest 3:53,December 3,2010)

adding to that in brotherhood desmond finds altair and ezios piece because ezio(spoiler alert) hid it unter the colisium(can't spell right)

(desmond22, 8:21 AM 12/7/10)

Okay what the heck is going on here?! Altiar had the Piece of Eden, then he took it to the island of Cyprus, then Rodrigo Borgia had it taken from Cyprus in AC2,( and I know it's the same POE because it's in the same container it was in in AC1). then Ezio takes the POE to the vatican and back to the villa where Cesare takes it, then Ezio takes it from saint peters in Rome, then eventually takes it to the vault underneath the Santa Maria Aracoeli, where IT STAYS UNTIL DESMOND FINDS IT! So my question is, if desmond has the same POE that Altiar and Ezio had, then why does lucy (in AC1) say to desmond (who asks her why the templars ddon't just go the Masyaf and grab the POE there, "The artifact, from Masyaf, they( templars) had it, it was destroyed in the accident". As in the denver airport accident, so how is it in the colosseum vault???!!!

(Guest21, 03:00 PM 18 November 2011)

After ACII: Revelations it gets clear that all the articles on this page concerning the Apples are wrong. Altair kept atleast his apple or one apple for himself till death and kept it hidden under masyaf. The other one which appeared in ACII and Brotherhood was a different piece of eden, maybe Altair was in possion of it also but lost it or it got unveiled by the templars after his death, which is not clear but Ezio brought it to the Vault where in Brotherhood Desmond finds it.

The Apple and Altair

1. The Apple And The staff are the only pieces of eden that are shown in both assassins creed games 2. Altair created the codex pages as *once you complete the game* and explains about the apple and its powers 3. Altair keeps the apple in his possession until he dies its all explained in the codex 4. the pieces of eden in the games are used to create devices (for example tesla)

Where the staff appears on AC1? -- D. Cello 16:50, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

it doesnt Killer 14:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Map

Why wasn't there Antarctica on the holographic map of the Earth shown at the end of first game? Or have I simply overlooked it?--Erik1310 18:26, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it only showed Land masses, not ice (and theoretically fragile and temporary) terrain. -- D. Cello 03:16, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

A. Perhaps the Apple was created when Antarctica wasn't known about? B. Perhaps it is simply how the map looks. C. Perhaps only continents with Pieces of Eden (or Vaults?) are shown on the map. Well Antartica may have not been fully developed yet because it has very low percipation, it took thousands of years to gain all that ice.

antarctica is a continent, not a big block of ice...

as for why it isn't shown, my guess is that it wasn't viewed as relevant.

I will mention that I live in Kharkiv, Ukraine, where according to the Altaïr' s map, one piece of Eden is hidden. I even know where it is supposedly hidden in Kharkiv (supposedly it's an apple) 3:] . Искренне ваш, Бронебой Первый Всепоглощающий 22:14, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Could you, please, download AC3 and ACB from the future when you´ll get the apple and upload it to rapishare or some other filesharing system? It would not be stealing, cause you cannot steal something that does not exist. Or just film the walktrough from AC3 :))

95.105.216.200 05:48, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Category and Item?

Shouldn't this article be split between the PoE that is featured in the first game (ie. the apple) and the actual category as a whole? Because at the top of the page it says "The Piece of Eden is one of several ancient objects left by Those Who Came Before, possessing different effects, that is able to bend people to the will of the user." The sentence alone doesn't make sense. I guess what I'm trying to say is; is this article about the first Apple seen in AC1 or the category of artifacts seen in AC2? --Billylemmon 18:39, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

JFK

It says here that JFK was (!) assassinated by the Assassins. But from the Truth files it says that Abstergo assassinated him. Perhaps it should be edited with a new symbol for 'Confirmed Assassinated by Templars' or something?

Beirut 14:48, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Resistance

As seen in the battle of forli dlc, when ezio touches the peace of eden, Niccolo and Mario are both dominated by effects (they fall to the floor immediately) while ezio and leonardo are resilient. So why isnt Leonardo affected and Mario is? (J.h.jaraub 00:52, January 29, 2010 (UTC))

I personally think that Ezio's and Leonardo's resistance is not a matter of genetics or bloodlines but Willpower. That there is nothing special about the Auditore family, and Ezio simply does have the Willpower to resist while Mario does not.

Actually since Ezio is a direct bloodline from Those Who Came Before, which explains his "eagle vision", he can resist the PoE's power. Leonardo, is probably fueled by will power and excitement. Ezio is a direct bloodline as said by ubisoft. So he can resist better than non-bloodlines

"Unconfirmed"?

In the Trivia section there is this paragraph: "During the battle against Rodrigo in the Sistine Chapel, Ezio creates "clones" much like Al Mualim did against Altaïr. If Ezio is customized, the other Ezio will be dyed with different colors and equipped with armors whereas when he is not customized at all, Ezio's clones will be perfectly identical to the real Ezio (Unconfirmed)."

If the customization refers only to dye, as the linked article suggests, I can confirm this is wrong. I was wearing Altair's armor but I have not changed the colors in a tailor shop, but the other Ezios still had different colors.
-- Toa-Nuva ^{(user page / discussion)} 00:07, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Symbols

Should we delete the "(A)", "(T)" and "(!)" symbols? It was a pretty original idea, but it just seems so disorganized. And we don't know for all characters wether or not they were Templars/Assassins, so putting it at only a few might be misleading. And, if readers don't already know if they were Assassins or Templars, they might be encouraged to find out more about them. -- Master Sima Yi 16:17, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation on a sentence or I'll change it

I noticed while reading that a generalization (a type of error in logic) occurred, however if anyone can back it up, I will leave it be, the line reads: "There is a a good chance that Altaïr also passed on this gift to Desmond Miles and his other descendants." (In reference to the ability to resist the mind-control power of the PoE.

I believe that this should be changed to "There is a chance..." as (at the moment) the nature of the "gift" is unknown. I'll leave this a few days and change it if no one backs it up.

The Animus 22:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

This is a wiki you don't have to ask about changing errors or rewriting sentences as long as its about the AC games and not a fanfiction about them than there no need to ask about making changes TitanGunz 00:21, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I knew that I just wanted to give whoever put it there (or anyone) a chance to back it up because it may actually be true, you know what I mean?

The Animus 17:57, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed/Possible Pieces meshing?

I think we should merge some of the Confirmed/Possible Pieces of Eden, notably the Golden Fleece and Spear of Destiny. In both the Piece 66 and Golden Fleece sections, it mentions Jason - this should make it clear enough that they are one and the same. As well, the Spear of Destiny fits the Staff Piece well enough to be merged.

Hewkii9 23:51, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Just because they refer to an individual owning both doesn't mean that they're "one and the same". The very characteristics and myths behind the Golden Fleece and the Spear of Destiny don't come close to matching at all. The same applies to the Spear of Destiny and the Staff. Just because the Staff can be used as a spear doesn't mean that they're the same. The Staff is used for mental manipulation and the Spear of Destiny has its own abilities. I just don't see the evidence to even consider what you're suggesting. -- Reqυiem 04:35, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

What happenend to Apple 1 between AC1 and AC2

It´s a bit confusing... Altair had the intention to hide his PoE in the Archive at Cyprus but instead kept it with him. But then, the same Piece had been recovered from Cyprus hundreds of years later by Templars and was brought to Venice (in AC2) and "stolen" by Ezio. So, wth happenend here? According to the Codex, Altair still had it when he was old. I was wondering... when or why was the Apple brought back to Cyprus? As stated at the PoE Page, it´s the same Artifact in both games. Maybe, Maria Thorpe made it? Бронебой Первый Всепоглощающий 22:06, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

Star and apple

star (shape) inside apples

star (ball of hydrogen) perhaps inside The Apple

Facebook

okay,, so on the AC facebook page there is a link to a page called Assassins Creed| Intelegence or somethng. then you have to play a stupid little game searching for secret images like you still get HIGHLIGHTS. but during the game it gives discriptions of the little things you have to look for; including PoEs. so far it confirmed that the shroud of eden DOES heal people, then i lost... so i dont know what else, but i think the sword of eden was there too!! CarloGrimaldi 03:35, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Neurotransmitters are chemicals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter

• …yes? --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 13:11, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

So there is no "a" neurotransmitter

• Erm, yes there is, and this specific one make humanity susceptible to the PoE. Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 11:40, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

It's like human brain neurons release this type of chemical when PE is "broadcasting", works like drugs

• I am aware. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 18:26, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

What are the Assassins going to do with the POE's when they find them?

Destroy them somehow?

How? blowing them up?

Selling them back to the templars;)

What is DIA Satellite incident?

If I can ask? I did not find anything about it in the game or anywhere else. On this wiki is nowhere mentioned it, especially that DIA part, except this page.

edit: google shows only this page when asked to this?! (i mean searching "DIA satellite incident")

95.105.216.200 21:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

It was mentioned in emals and by Lucy during the first game. Check our e-mail article for more information. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 22:06, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

The Apple

Wasn't the Apple destroyed in "the accident"? So why are Desmond, Lucy and Co. looking for it in the 2nd and 3rd game? I don't understand.

I believe it was a different Apple destroyed in the DIA incident. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 05:35, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

POE

Does anybody here remember where the term PoE originally came from? I know it has been on this site at least as long as I have, but did it originate from here, or was it first heard somehwere else? I am aware it is mentioned at the beginning of Brotherhood, and I would like to think we're already influencing canon (smiles all round), but I wanna be sure. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 14:35, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

As early as the first game, in the emails, unless I'm mistaken; otherwise, in the Truth files. 98.192.42.30 03:37, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

PoE - Peace of Eden

it's not from here, every site is using this term...

People, really should say "PoE (Peace of Eden)", there can be new guys...

I AM STUCK ON THE CANON ON THE BOAT TO FIRER AT HE SAIL MY GAME JUST FROOZED UP BUT MUSIC KEEP ON PLAYING WHAT DO i DO?

Crystal skull = peice of eden.

In the facebook game, giovani borgia finds out that the crsytal skul at Tenochtitlan is a peice of eden, should this not be added? 69.132.79.61 18:32, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Role in the American Revolution

It is possible that, due to the location of an Assassin's Seal on the map (and the mystery behind what that means) that the Pieces of Eden, or one of the Temples, had some role in the American Revolution. The Seal is located in the Northeast (presumably inside Massachusetts, perhaps close to Boston) and the figureheads of the soon-to-be nation discovered it and it somehow influenced them to start the war, and even win it. After all, the entire war was full of miracles for the rebels; this would, at least in terms of Assassin's Creed canon, help explain these events.

Since we are in the Assassin's Creed universe, there were probably PoE involved in every war and any major event anyway. But a location on the map does not mean anything, there are PoE scattered throughout the whole world and just because there's one in America does not mean that it is neccessary related to the American Revolution. I know that lots of Americans are hoping for an AC in America, but seriously, don't jump to conclusions just because you wish it that much.

StPerkele 12:25, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

The philosopher's stone and the book

So how about these two (encountered in Project Legacy, Rome Pack, Chapter 4, Bombastus), can we consider them as Pieces of Eden? And what exactly do we know about them so far?

The book was obviously made by Those Who Came Before, considering that Bombastus' assistant was talking about Consus as well. Moreover, it seems to be a collection of most of the secrets and inventions of TWCB, only readable by certain persons however (Giovanni Borgia came in contact with the Shroud and hence had a certain relationship to all PoE. When he looked into the book, he did not turn mad and instead gained knowledge). Is it a PoE though? Or just a collection of knowledge?

Same for the philosopher's stone, we do not even know whether Bombastus actually possessed it and managed to use it after Giovanni's discovery or whether he could craft it then. If it was crafted (or not even an object but rather some kind of formula, hence the weird image when you craft the stone yourself) it can obviously not be considered as a PoE.

I'm interested in replies, because I was thinking about adding articles about those two. If you want to do it as well, feel free to do so, I might contribute something then.

StPerkele 12:22, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

You can add articles about these two, as they're mentioned in AC published material, but you can't call them Pieces of Eden or mention any other speculation you might have. Also, "obviously" is a weasel word, it's not "obvious" the First Civilisation created the Book. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 14:53, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

What is it with people desperatly wanting to add speculation to articles lately? Damn... -- Master Sima Yi 16:09, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

What do you think why I did not add anything so far? Only for the reason, that I'm not sure whether it would be considered as speculation. That's why I added this to Talk, so the topic can be discussed and speculations might be supported with actual proof. So instead of complaining, you could have just told me that there was no reason so far whatsoever to consider the two as Pieces of Eden, thanks a lot.

StPerkele 16:40, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I sounded like an asshole lately. But this isn't the first time something like this happens. Not at all. And I'm getting a bit tired of that. -- Master Sima Yi 16:46, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Sure, no problem at all. I suppose I'll wait for further information about both of the objects before I create an article then.

StPerkele 16:52, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

In Sima's defense, one of the first things you said was "…can we consider them as Pieces of Eden?" Which would count as speculation. That said, I would urge you to create the article yourself, and then others will add to it as information becomes available. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 18:26, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. That's why I wrote in the Talk though ;) I suppose I'll add them tomorrow. Would "The book" be an appropriate name?

StPerkele 21:40, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps "Bombastus' book"? --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 02:45, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Can Apples of Eden be opened?

I was just checking out the UbiWorkshop website to buy some stuff, and I noticed there's a new AOE shirt for sale, showing three... "Phases", of sorts, of an apple of eden slowly opening revealing some sort of mechanism inside. Should this be added to the page under trivia? CryptoKiller 14:04, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Possibly reasoning for the Map and Quantity inconsistencies.

This is just something I quickly thought out whenever I read the trivia section for this. If there are only 50 Pieces of Eden on the map, but at least 66 according to the numbering of the Shroud, it might be possible that the other 16 POE are not on the planet. Do remember, we found the Fourth Apple, I believe, on the moon. So it's quite possible there are more POE hidden there, or on other planets. We can't be sure. It's just a possible theory. Or secondly, it could possibly be just a symbolic annotation with 6 being an unlucky number, but that's far less relevant.MalakhShane 21:34, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Map out the P.O.Es

Can someone google map out the locations of the Pieces of Eden. I would but I am in high school and don't have the time. Jit80209 16:55, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

There's a map on the article. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 10:58, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

No I mean on google maps sowe can actually zoom in on the area.Jit80209 15:12, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Accuracy and credibility of the known Pieces of Eden

I was just looking and thinking about the known Pieces of Eden and I just find some of the inconsistencies a bit odd. For example, the map shown in Assassin's Creed isn't the exact same one as the one in Assassin's Creed II, as you can see here and here. Add to that, that neither show any number of Pieces of Eden close to 66 (number #66 is the Shroud). And while some locations like Jerusalem and Beijing obviously point to the Second Apple and Li Tong's Apple respectively, Pieces of Eden like the one in the Fountain of Youth in Florida aren't shown on either of the maps. I'm kind of doubting the accuracy of both maps, also considering that we don't know if destroyed Pieces of Eden are shown on the map or not, and I'm not quite sure whether or not Ubisoft is really using the maps for their canon. I don't know if it's a good idea to list the Pieces of Eden shown on the map, but I would rather see the actual Pieces of Eden shown in the series listed instead. We also can't clearly see the exact locations of the Pieces of Eden on the maps, and as a result most locations are just an estimated guess. Maybe it would be better to just list the PoEs shown in the series, and to just leave the pictures of the maps on the page? Sorry if I'm overseeing something relevant here or that my writing wasn't very clear, I'm having a bit of trouble concentrating right now. -- Master Sima Yi 17:06, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's probably a good idea. But you have to remember the map in AC2 was adapted by Altair from the map shown on the Second Apple so I guess the locations are his estimates as well. I also think that the maps might be inaccurate due to the fact a lot of POE's have been moved around throughout history and the map might have been showing them from different time periods. But yes I do think we should show the ones shown in the series, but also have the maps as well so people can make their own guesses or where the POE's are. Lastly though I think it is also best to have the most logical locations still there, like the ones that link with the storyline. For example, there is supposedly one in Nazca, Peru and Clay drew the Nazca Lines drawings at Abstergo, so he was probably confirming that possible location. So yeah, I'm agreeing with Sima's idea.

P.S. Why are you having trouble concentrating? -- Arcemz ^{Something on your mind?} 06:59, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Nazca thing is still speculation though, Clay only needed to have a Peruvian ancestor to know about the Nazca Lines. We can only be 100% certain about the Pieces of Eden we have actually seen. And I was having trouble concentrating because I have ADD and my medication was starting to wear off, but that was two days ago already. -- Master Sima Yi 07:04, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I suppose. It's probably best then to have all the confirmed Pieces listed. -- Arcemz ^{Something on your mind?} 07:11, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

This is only speculation, of course, but concerning "Piece of Eden #66": isn't it possible that there are more Pieces not on Earth? After all, the Fifth Apple was originally retrieved from the moon. If the available maps were only capable of displaying Earth, it's possible that there are many more out there. Vicky0708 (talk) 03:34, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I just noticed that someone else on this page had already mentioned this, but I suppose I'll leave this here anyway. Vicky0708 (talk) 03:55, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Hi everyone, here as you know, Ezio appears in the game Soul calibur V, then it is confirmed that this was an Pieces of Eden that send almost a century later, in the world of Soul Calibur, then than to kill Cesare Borgia (Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood.) my question are what is possible, there have several other Pieces of Eden with the same powers? Are they the same as the Philadelphia project Abstergo has put in place over? It is then possible to travel through time and space? For example, go to the Rayman universe or ascend to the dinosaurs, I do not know ..
So are what someone can answer me please?  (Math34 (talk) 21:55, June 9, 2013 (UTC))

Read the article and you'll find out. That's what it is there for. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 08:39, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Where in the article? I don't think there are answers to my questions... (Math34 (talk) 16:23, June 10, 2013 (UTC))

Assassin's Creed 3 Key and Crystal ball?

Both the key (The necklace worn by Haytham Kenway, Charles Lee, Ratonhnhaké:ton and others, used by Desmond Miles to open the grand temple) and the Crystal Ball (The apple of eden-like item posessed by the clan mother of the mohawk tribe that bestowed Ratonhnhaké:ton with a vision) were confirmed by shaun hastings as being pieces of eden. It is reasonable that the Key be given it's own page (although under what name I do not know), the Crystal Ball is claimed (In the same passage that identifies it as a piece of eden) That it is not an apple per se. Should it be called Connor's apple (In a similar fashion to Ezio's), or should it be given a uniqe classification? 82.26.216.77 19:36, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Crystal Balls. We don't need a separate page for the one Connor used. I'd like to get to creating an article for the key, but I don't have any proper name so far. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 19:39, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

"Grand Temple Key" should suffice. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 19:47, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, but that does sound quite off. Is that a given name for the artifact? -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 19:48, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

No name is given for it, (it doesn't even have a database entry). So I would suggest simply placing a {{Conjecture}} tag at the top of the article. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 19:52, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

I will get around to creating it later this evening or tomorrow. Unless someone has already done it by then. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 19:53, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

List of Pieces.

DO you think someone could make a numbered or some kind of diagram list of all the pieces of eden. I know that they are descirbed in text but a list would be nice?Jit80209 (talk) 18:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

There's the table at the bottom of all PoE related articles. --Kainzorus Prime ^{Walkie-talkie} 18:37, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah but those are just ones that are talked about or found in all the AC media. I am talking about a list of all of them. As in even ones that have not been found.Jit80209 (talk) 20:13, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

If certain ones haven't been found, what use would there be in listing them? Slate Vesper (talk) 20:21, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Are you think that there are other unknown fragments of eden in the world? There is more than 48 fragments?  Math34 (talk) 10:54, May 1, 2013 (UTC) 10:53, May 1, 2013 (UTC) (10:51, May 1, 2013 (UTC))

Yes, because when you look at both maps from AC1 and AC2, the number of dots ads up to more than 50. And it's 'pieces', by the way, not 'fragments'. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 11:00, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

So it is possible that there have 100 pieces of Eden? Math34 (talk) 11:52, May 1, 2013 (UTC) (11:52, May 1, 2013 (UTC))

It's possible there are 1000, or even 10,000; but we're not going to be listing them. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 12:24, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

And each has different powers? As such, there must be many that can travel through time and space right?  Math34 (talk) 13:01, May 1, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 13:01, May 1, 2013 (UTC))

No. The six Apples (that we know of) all have the same powers as each other; the two Staves have the same powers as each other. To date, we only know of one PoE that has the ability to manipulate time and space, but we don't know anything else about it, besides that. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 13:13, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Yes maybe it is unknown fragments which have this power? If you say he has 10,000, there are many opportunities   Math34 (talk) 14:23, May 2, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 14:23, May 2, 2013 (UTC))

That's all besides the point. The point is that only the PoE's we know of are mentioned on the article. No speculations or OR is allowed, so this whole conversation is moot. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 23:05, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so maybe we will learn in the next AC there plus many other pieces of eden? But it is true that talking about "real" pieces of Eden and not one of those not known .. sorry   Math34 (talk) 13:18, May 3, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 13:18, May 3, 2013 (UTC))

But there is a difference between parts and fragments? Math34 (talk) 23:51, May 4, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 23:51, May 4, 2013 (UTC))

There's no such thing as 'Fragments of Eden'; you made that up yourself. --Jasca Ducato _{Council Chamber} ^{Assassination record} 22:25, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry but I'm french in fact, that's how it is pronounced Math34 (talk) 16:37, May 7, 2013 (UTC) (Math34 (talk) 16:37, May 7, 2013 (UTC))