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Niccoló Machiavelli and Mario Auditore

Shouldn't Niccoló Machiavelli and Mario Auditore be listed here? Since both were grand masters at some point.Dattish 15:36, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

No such thing as Grand Masters, they just have Leaders and Mentors in the Rennaissance. Besides it is possible to be leader without being a Master Assassins. IlMualim 08:32, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Malik

Did Malik not become a master assassin though? I'm pretty sure he did. MorennAC 10:23, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Im pretty sure he didn't. Altair rubbed it in his face with the quote, "Im superior to you, in BOTH SKILL AND RANK" I think that's enough proof WarClownWanna Talk? 10:29, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, and then Altair screwed up and became a novice, whereas Malik got his own bureau. I assumed that bureau leaders were master assassins?
MorennAC 10:57, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
No they are Rafiqs, a different rank. WarClownWanna Talk? 11:15, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
By the way, Altaïr said "I'm your superior, in both title and ability." Just heard him say that. :P -- Master Sima Yi 11:48, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sanctuary

If Wei Yu and Qulan Gal etc. weren't Master Assassins, then why do they stand right next to Altaïr in the sanctuary? -- Master Sima Yi 11:48, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

  • There is absolutely no mention whatsoever the Altaïr's statue is in the Sanctuary because he is a Master Assassin; Mario calls them "legendary", which Altaïr is. You can be legendary, without having the rank of Master Assassin. Likewise, nothing in-game indicates them to be Master Assassins. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:33, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
The same can be said for Ezio Auditore: where is it said he is a Master Assassin? -- Master Sima Yi 14:02, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
The blurb for Brotherhood explicitly calls Ezio, a Master Assassin. If you looked at the source, you'd see that. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:07, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
Oh yeah, you're right. I'm not having my day... -_- -- Master Sima Yi 18:11, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
It's fine, no worries. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:17, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
um, on the Sanctuary page it does specificly say "It houses seven statues of seven Master Assassins." so shouldn't we go ahead and add them? Zachariah Zuan 01:08, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
Hey I just noticed what Zachariah has mentioned above aswell. Taking into consideration what Jasca points out, it does not state that the assassin's in the sanctuary are Master Assassins... I have therefore taken the liberty to re-word this accordingly. Lord of the Creed 17:20, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
thanks for checking and doing that, I was just making sure, but this seems pretty accurate "In 1227, after Genghis Khan defeated the Tangut people, Qulan Gal shot Genghis Khan's horse with a bow, causing him to fall off and succumb to his injuries, for which Qulan Gal was hailed as a Master Assassin." Zachariah Zuan 23:36, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Grand Master

Where is it actually said that a Master Assassin isn't actually the Grand Master? -- Master Sima Yi 12:51, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Perotto Calderon

I need a second opinion here. Though it's never really said outright in Project Legacy, is it enough to assume that Perotto Calderon was a Master Assassin given he was allowed to take an understudy/apprentice and had dual hidden blades? =GuardDog 12:51, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Assume? No, it's not. We never add assumption or speculation on articles. -- Master Sima Yi 12:52, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Sima's right, assumptions aren't allowed, no matter how much they may be implied. I'm of the same opinion that Calderon was a Master Assassin as well, due to the obvious reasons you've already stated, Guard. However, since there's nothing explicitly stating that he was, we can't put it officially on the article. (Hence why it's in the trivia instead, "...Calderon was implied to be a Master Assassin..." The same sort of thing goes for Bill Miles / William M. -- we all know they're more than likely the same person, but we can't do anything pretaining to that until we have official proof. -Assassin-of-Rayne- 13:07, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Kay, got it. Thanks, both of you. =GuardDog 13:27, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentices

Do all the apprentices earn the title of Master Assassin at Rank 10? If not please remove that reference on the Hidden Blade Page under Basic Usage - Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood - Apprentices.


Subject 12 16:22, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

you don't need to be a master assassin to use hidden blade, just become an Assassin Zachariah Zuan 15:50, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Master Limit

how many Master Assassins can their be at any one time? is there a limit to like, one per branch, like 1 in Italy, 1 in the UK and such or can they're be limitless? it'd make sense to have a limit imo Zachariah Zuan 15:52, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

If we knew, it would be in the article. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:20, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Well considering they have revealed in Revelations that you can have Master Assassin's to protect each Assassin Den in Turkey, I would say that there can definately be multiple Master Assassin's per branch.. .-. ..- -.. .. - --- 08:45, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Desmond

Since Desmond has all of Ezio's skills and abilitys should he be considered a Master Assassin? -- daleno - 00:14, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

No. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 00:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Notable Master Assassins

I feel we should change the Known Master Assassins section to Notable Master Assassin's as in ACR it has been said that master Assassins will guard the Assassin dens, so... What say you? Subject 12 07:39, June 29, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe when the game's been released. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:11, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
Well, Why is Malik Al-Syaf not on the Known Master assassins. I mean he was Known as a Master Assassin. He had all of the same robes and gear as Altair did. I just was wondering, I think it is more naotable than Piri Reis, A charecter we had not even met yet. He was a main charecter in Assassin's Creed so I think he deserves a slot under the list.CrazyTemplar 01:11, October 29, 2011 (UTC)CrazyTemplar
He's not on the list because he never held the rank. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:27, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
Does Malik not gain the rank of Master Assassin after Al Mualim's death? Seeing as he was left in charge of the whole Order when Altair went to kill Genghis Khan, I always assumed he gained that rank by then ... Eggy2504 19:19, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
Im pretty sure Malik Graduated and became a Master Assassin the same year that Altair did. They were both in Solomon's Temple together and had the same robes and gear, and he had the longer robes and the beak on his hood. So he was always a Master Assassin. But when he was maimed by Robert and his Knights he was unable to preform Assassinations. But my point is that he was a known Master Assassin and that he should be on the list. Thats just what I think you dont have to put it on of you want.CrazyTemplar 19:29, October 30, 2011 (UTC)CrazyTemplar
It is never said he gained the rank, so it is speculation and thus not true. That said, he did not hold the rank of Master Assassin at the same time as Altaïr, as Altaïr said "I am your superior, in both title and ability" while in Solomon's Temple. -- Master Sima Yi 20:04, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
Should't Kasim be listed here? I know he is not a major character in Revelations but he was still a Master Assassin.91jonno 17:08, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Notable implies that they did something that made them well known. Just because we're aware that someone was a Master Assassin, it does not mean they're notable. Slate Vesper 17:14, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Indeed. Originally it was called "notable" due to the fact that their are, obviously, more Master Assassin's out their than just the ones we knew. It might be an idea to create a category for Master Assassins so that we can correctly label them, without swamping this page with "No Image". --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:56, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Glitched

I have a glitched level 15 assassin and assigned to a den but cant do master assassin quest? how do i fix this? can i get the assassin killed to re assign or what? if you can help send me an email at gingerking16@hotmail.com 24.18.100.81 05:09, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Adding Connor

i think that Connor should be added to the notoble master assassins section.Trever09 A place for Chivalry | Blog 22:23, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Was he a Master Assassin? Crimson Knight Intercom 22:28, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
I Think so he showed greater skill than that of Altair & Ezio, but i'm not sure.Trever09 A place for Chivalry | Blog 22:33, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Unless he's directly stated to be a Master Assassin in-game then I'd just leave it for now. Crimson Knight Intercom 22:40, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
He's never called a Master Assassin. He doesn't join the list. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 23:19, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
actually he was called a master assassin just read the back of the box98.250.4.115 03:04, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
Which box? The AC3 case doesn't mention anything about being a Master Assassin. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 03:27, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
Checked case. It's not there. DarkFeather Raven's NestRaven's Hunt 05:50, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
As an aside, the AC4 box bestows Edward the title of 'Master Assassin', despite the fact he doesn't even technically join the Order during the events of the game. Just becauses it's ona box, doesn't mean it's canon. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:25, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
He was referred to as a Master Assassin somewhere in AC4. I'll check where it was. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 07:03, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
I thought it was mentioned in the Aveline DLC but I forgot which part I found it... --AgentG-sig.png AgentG-talk.png 10:43, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
It's not mentioned in the Aveline DLC. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 11:31, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
no its Connors robes 98.250.4.115 02:31, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
...what about them? -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 07:27, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
I believe he is trying to say that the description for Connor Kenway's robes calls him a Master Assassin. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:24, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
Needs something more substantial than an outfit description written from Abstergo's perspective. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 17:42, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
how about the ubisoft assassins creed iii page 98.250.4.115 05:16, February 2, 2014 (UTC)http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Info.aspx?pId=10500

That website is not 'canon', it is merely a medium to advertise. For a list of verifiable references, please look here. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:22, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

To be fair, Ezio was never mentioned as a Master Assassin in-game either, although one can say that the database lists him as one, as well as the robe's description. But since Connor is still kicking around the early 1800s, one can assume he gains the rank by then at least. Plus if we're going with Abstergo's perspective, they did say that they explored his memories during the revolution, maybe they saw something in there that we didn't. Perhaps we can ask when one of the writers? Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 06:29, February 16, 2014 (UTC)

One can assume he gave himself the title, yes, but without confirmation one cannot include such information in the article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:27, February 16, 2014 (UTC)
That is true yes. Although since they said that they canned Connor's story, they also said that the rest of his story is up to us fans now. As Darby put it, "Not very, we want Tumblr to pick up where we left off." So unless an interview pops up where the fans can ask questions like with Darby and Reddit, where we can ask, we might actually never know. Unless they change thier minds, which I dear hope they do. Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 07:50, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
That's kind of unworkable for a wiki though. We probably don't want to go adding in info like Aveline is the mother of Connor's children or Connor singlehandedly led the French resistance (hey, tumblr), so if it wasn't said by the creators, it shouldn't go up here. Questioning the creators as you mentioned is going to be the best bet if you want something wiki-worthy. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 08:21, February 17, 2014 (UTC)
Hahaha I am sorry if I made you thought that I wanted to add THAT kind of info. I was simply just mentioning that dumb reason for Connor's arrupt shut down. Really sad and quite irritating really to throw such a horrid thing at us. Nah, I didn't mean we should come up with a whole story like that or anything. But I really want to ask them if he had earned that rank. I must look into the matter and see if there is a way to contact them. Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 06:21, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
Actually, now that I am thinking about it, why is that Connor does not count as a Master Assassin, as opposed to Opita or Vance? Since thier ranks are mentioned in the DNA progress line, and Connor's is listed on his outfit, but both has been added by Abstergo. It was never mentioned in-game for any of them. How is one more substantial than the other?Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 19:05, February 25, 2014 (UTC)
True, true. One still must note however that Abstergo has researched Connor's memories during the revolution, evidence on their Data footage that they reviewed to make a game product based on him. Just like how they gotten the dates of birth, and other information on other historical figures in thier research projects. Evidently, they found out he is a Master Assassin, when is just the unknown. 173.71.98.33 03:54, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Arno Dorian

I noticed that in Arno's page, he is referenced to as a Master Assassin. Although it's still too early, do you believe we should add him to this list? 85.74.208.15 15:35, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

He will be added, once we have the years during which he held the title. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:16, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Shay Cormac

Just had a quick look at Shay's page. In the "Categories" section, there's a Master Assassin tag. Is it mere speculation or has it been confirmed that Shay was a Master Assassin at the time of his defection? If so, shouldn't we add him here, like Walpole?Abelzorus Prime (talk) 17:03, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Travers

Are Upton and Vance ever referred to as Master Assassins?--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:54, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure :s The mission statement doesn't refer to Vance as a Master Assassin and Upton frankly seems a bit bumbling to be one. Then again it might've been the shock and alcohol that made him appear as such. If they weren't highly ranked, why would they be targeted by the Templars though? Crook The Constantine District 20:47, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Because they were bureau leaders.Bovkaffe (talk) 18:39, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
So, not Master Assassins then? :s Crook The Constantine District 18:01, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Not Master Assassins.--Bovkaffe (talk) 18:13, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Ah Tabai

I believe Ah Tabai was a master as well. Shouldn´t he be added to the list?190.84.80.83 06:50, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

There's no proof that he was, so no.--Bovkaffe (talk) 08:39, December 29, 2014 (UTC)

So i guess this is the same for Aquilus, Arbaaz Mir and many others. But what about Edward? he was not as skilled as most master assassins but he assassinated many templars, was a vital member during his time and left a huge legacy, aswell as having the natural assassin skills that others had to learn. I know it has been debated before but i really think he should still be included.Hassan-i Sabbā (talk) 09:33, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

He never actually gained the rank of a Master Assassin in the Order. Though this is probably because most of the Templars he killed were before he actually became an Assassin.Suhail Numaan (talk) 09:40, March 16, 2015 (UTC)Suhail Numaan

Trenet, Beylier and Quemar

Do you think we should include Trenet, Beylier and Quemar as notable Master Assassins? If they were part of they Assassin Council, they must have been pretty notable.Suhail Numaan (talk) 09:34, March 16, 2015 (UTC)Suhail Numaan 

To be honest, I'd first like to know where this information came from; where is it said that Trenet, Beylier and Quemar were Master Assassins? Crook The Constantine District 10:13, March 16, 2015 (UTC)
You're assuming that being a Master Assassin is a requirement for being on the Council; whilst that may well be (and likely is) the case, for now it's nothing more than an assumption. As it stands, we only know that Bellec and Mirebeau were Master Assassins who also happened to be on the Council. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:30, March 17, 2015 (UTC)
While on the council, during their debates, they address to each other as Master Quemar, Master Trenet or Master Beylier... Maxattac (talk) 22:05, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Mentors

To Master Sima Yi: I don't understand why the Mentors should be listed in the Master section once it is confirmed that they have ascended to the rank of Mentor. It's as if we categorized a General as a Corporal, Sergeant, Lieutenant, Colonel, Captain, Commandant... not relevant because if an Assassin is in the Mentor section its mean that he is a Master.Maxattac (talk) 22:05, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? I don't think that's explicitly stated anywhere. For all we know if there's an absence of Master Assassins and a Mentor an Assassin might as well skip the rank of Master Assassin to become Mentor. You could argue as well to remove them from the Master Assassins category then. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 22:19, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
The title of Mentor is an honorific, not a rank, typically given to the foremost Master Assassin in that particular sect. By becoming a Mentor, you do not surrender the rank of Master Assassin (whereas you do surrender the rank of Lieutenant, for example, when you become a Colonel). As such, any notable Mentor should also be listed as a notable Master Assassin. (Although an argument could be made to remove those Mentors' - such as Rashid ad-Din Sinan - who never make an IU appearance before obtaining the title, from this particular list.) --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 23:11, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Edward

In Assassin's Creed: Unity Edward is called Master Assassin Edward Kenway. Cuold we insert him between the masters?--Re Edward Kenway (talk) 22:01, July 13, 2015 (UTC)

Where in Unity is Edward Kenway referred to as a Master Assassin? Crook The Constantine District 22:10, July 13, 2015 (UTC)
In the description for Edward's Master Assassin Outfit.--Re Edward Kenway (talk) 13:58, July 14, 2015 (UTC)
I checked a video on youtube, and it's just called an "Assassin" outfit. I'm not sure where you're seeing the word Master :s Crook The Constantine District 13:59, July 14, 2015 (UTC)
Here, from the Italian version ("Maestro Assassino" means "Master Assassin")Re Edward Kenway (talk) 09:44, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
Maestroassassino

Edward Kenway's Outfit in italian language

I can only guess that's a translation mistake. This is the video I checked - I would trust the English version over the Italian version in this case :s Crook The Constantine District 09:48, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Will someone remove Edward he was hardly even an assassin and know one nows wether he ever acheived the rank.Plus considering he donated his robes, weapons and ship to the brotherhood soon after he returned to England its safe to say he gave up actual assassinations. The way they refere to his robes in Unity and Syndicate is just another way they refere to all major playable protagonists. unsigned comment by 31.200.185.122 (talk · contr)

Evie and Henry refer to him as a Master Assassin, so it's pretty official. Edward's research into the First Civilization and his being one of the leading members the British Brotherhood is likely why he's referred as such. Crook The Constantine District 17:36, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

If he's referred to as a Master Assassin, that's what he is. The writers would not have written it in otherwise. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 17:37, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

The Frye twins

I have no doubt that Jacob and Evie earned their ranks of Master Assassin for good reason, like any Master Assassin would. As we can see right off the bat, their first missions in-game were to assassinate extremely high-value targets: the forefront of Templar industry and the only Templar that had decent understanding of the Pieces of Eden, and they start the game as Masters. The British Assassins didn't have London, but surely if they didn't really think Jacob and Evie could handle their missions at the start of the game, they would send someone better such as George himself (unless he was past his prime, given Victorian health). I doubt they were short on Assassins, they just didn't have enough Masters or resources to move on London. However, if I have my lore correct this makes them the youngest Master Assassins in history. Did they reach this rank before Altair due to being better than him? Or were they just as competent, the increased speed and scale of war by their time meaning they just ranked up more quickly?

Julia-B184 (Talk) 18:37, November 1, 2015 (UTC)

The twins were not masters well jacob definetly was not a master . It is clear that the only reason they were sent after the templars in the first mission is because the brotherhood had few members. Plus they were not sent to London they disobeoyed George and left. If you play the game in a conversation between Jacob and Evie they make it clear Jacob and possibly Evie are not masters "That reclessness will see me become a master  when we finish this" "George would alow nothing of the sort. whatevers left of the creed would perish under your control"
It's been said by the creators that the twins were Master Assassins at the start of the game. Also, I'd meant that they were sent to eliminate very high-value targets, not sent to London. Not to mention the conversation in-game implies that Jacob would be in control of the entire Brotherhood, a rank that belongs to either an entire council or a single Mentor.
Julia-B184 (Talk) 22:40, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

I can not understand why people care what the writers say and not what the game shows us that jacob was not a master assassin, Evie may have been but I am doutful. Plus will some one remove Henry Green as he is not a skilled field assassin and therefore definetly not a mate.  

There's something called "Word of God", you should probably check it out.
Whether or not you find his skills in the field lacking, Henry's called a Master Assassin in the Art of Assassin's Creed: Syndicate book, so I don't see why we should change that. By the way, please sign your posts. Crook The Constantine District 15:37, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Notable Master Assassins

Hello. I was wondering why the article lists only 22, notable Master Assassins (this criterion looks extremely arguable and subjective to me - who's to define which Master Assassins are notable?), instead of listing all 40 known Master Assassins, which seems as a better option IMHO. I hope I'll get response. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 20:17, June 30, 2018 (UTC)

Good job for catching this since we had the same problem in the "Assassins" and "Templars" articles. I changed the subtitle to "Examples of Master Assassins" because I fear "Known Master Assassins" is a bit OOU as usual with the words known and unknown. Also, the list doesn't have all the Master Assassins whether known to us or IU. So would you say this is better? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:21, June 30, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt reply! I'd say this is definitely better, yes. --Piero.schiavone1994 (talk) 11:16, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
When the section name was first changed to "Notable Master Assassins" it did list every identifiable Master Assassin (the only criteria, really, being that we knew their name). Of course, the list had expanded since then and appears not to have been updated completely. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:43, July 1, 2018 (UTC)
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