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Should the Blade of Yumminess, Ippei Blade, and possibly even the Blade of the Ephemeral be included here? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 20:34, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- The Blade of the Ephemeral is definitely not a katana, but as for the Ippei Blade... it sure looks like a katana or a wakizashi, but katana really didn't exist in the 1st century BCE... >_< The Japanese civilization at that time was still pretty much in its prehistory also. I have never seen the Ippei Blade or the Blade of Yumminess in game, but a proper katana has to be a specific length, and if Bayek consistently wields the Ippei Blade as a one-handed weapon, it would probably be too short to be a proper katana. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:51, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- I know historically the katana wasn’t developed until after the Mongol invasions (boo on Ghost of Tsushima for presenting them as seemingly ubiquitous at the time) but anachronism has never stopped Ubisoft before especially in regards to weapons. As for wielding, Bayek and Kassandra used a bunch of oversized swords with only one hand so I’m not sure that should be a consideration. Both are more Easter eggs than anything really canon anyways but technically are at least katana-esque if not actually katanas due to the time periods in which they appear. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 21:13, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- I am aware that Ubisoft is no stranger to anachronisms when it comes to weapons, but having katana more than half a millennium before the Japanese civilization had really come into its own is so drastic, it's a whole different story. Also, I didn't mean that Bayek and Kassandra couldn't hold two-handed weapons in one-hand, but katana are defined by length. I only meant that we would need to double-check the length of the swords to even know whether they are katana or not, but I'm betting ahead of time that they would be too short since all the swords they usually wield are shorter than katana. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:34, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- I mean they put a 17th century Mughal Indian axe in Origins which is a comparable time gap but I’ll try to get you some photos of the characters holding the swords so you can judge. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 21:41, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- Just to clarify, I'm not necessarily saying we shouldn't include the Ippei Blade and the Blade of Yumminess here, I'm just pointing out the considerations we need to look at first.
- Also I would have to take a look at the Mughal axe as well. The issue is that, is it really a katana if the technology and techniques to make it didn't even exist in Japan at the time?Or at most, should we have to say that it is a weapon that looks identical to katana of a later age? We might end up having to just leave that ambiguous. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:50, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- Well photos will have to wait til at least tomorrow because I am exhausted. I do wanna say that due to the weapons' Easter eggs status we should be able to sidestep the logic behind the anachronism if need be. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 22:19, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- I mean they put a 17th century Mughal Indian axe in Origins which is a comparable time gap but I’ll try to get you some photos of the characters holding the swords so you can judge. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 21:41, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- I am aware that Ubisoft is no stranger to anachronisms when it comes to weapons, but having katana more than half a millennium before the Japanese civilization had really come into its own is so drastic, it's a whole different story. Also, I didn't mean that Bayek and Kassandra couldn't hold two-handed weapons in one-hand, but katana are defined by length. I only meant that we would need to double-check the length of the swords to even know whether they are katana or not, but I'm betting ahead of time that they would be too short since all the swords they usually wield are shorter than katana. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 21:34, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- I know historically the katana wasn’t developed until after the Mongol invasions (boo on Ghost of Tsushima for presenting them as seemingly ubiquitous at the time) but anachronism has never stopped Ubisoft before especially in regards to weapons. As for wielding, Bayek and Kassandra used a bunch of oversized swords with only one hand so I’m not sure that should be a consideration. Both are more Easter eggs than anything really canon anyways but technically are at least katana-esque if not actually katanas due to the time periods in which they appear. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 21:13, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
Does that mean treating them as Animus mods? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 22:46, May 24, 2020 (UTC)
- Don't know about the length and size but they are definitely katanas or wakizashi or generally speaking post 16th century Japanese swords. And that anachronism is of course typical for AC considering that there are medieval flails in ancient times. And btw here is a photo of the blade of yumminess which itself appears to be recycled from the ippei blade. Nanomat (talk) 22:56, May 24, 2020 (UTC)