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Kassandra and Alexios

I did research into Greek history and there is no historical records of female heroines except for gods, not even demi-gods, in spartan culture the only way a woman could be given a headstone when she died was to die during childbirth because that was her dying in service to the state and the only reason women had a vote in spartan culture was to give there house a vote cause there husbands were away fighting wars. In Athenian culture women had no rights they could not vote, go to plays, or speak without the permission of men, women in all greek cultures were not allowed to compete in or even attend Olympics games. So it just doesn’t fit well to me yet when you go onto Assassin’s Creed Wikia they refuse to acknowledge any of this and say the developers have said that Kassandra is the Canonical Character because she’s the person that is being followed in the book yet when you look at many other novelizations they have followed other people other then the characters you played like Blackbeard, Haytham Kenway, Elise de La Serre, and Henry Greene so i dont see her being the canonical character as a good reason to wipe Alexios completly from being the main character in the game. So I feel what ever information you guys add to Kassandra's page it should also be added to Alexios' page for both to be seen as the main character. —unsigned comment by AaronFireBird1 (talk · contr)

It's been confirmed that both characters exist in the game. However, the official novelization lists Kassandra as the canonical character and Alexios as her younger brother. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:45, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

It's been confirmed that she is the main character of the book is all the fact that she is an older sister has not been confirmed she could still be the younger sister we wont know for sure till the book comes out and we read it. —unsigned comment by AaronFireBird1 (talk · contr)

There are a number of people who has received an early copy of the game and based on the gameplays I have seen so far, they did show Kassandra as the older sibling. There also people who have read the novelization, just not officially released to the public. Also, on a sidenote, please sign off your posts at the end with ~~~~ XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:05, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

The gameplay you have seen is because people have decided to play as said character. as for the book pages you and i have not seen it so we cant confirm for sure but i will believe it when i see. Until then i have to go on facts and the facts point to Alexios being the canonical character for the game based on historical data. but im not asking for him to be seen as better the Kassandra cause thats not the case. i just want them to be seen as equal and am asking that the information be shared equally betweek there respective pages. i dont believe thats asking to much at all its asking for equality. AndyC89 (talk) 03:14, October 1, 2018 (UTC)AndyC89

I didn't notice earlier that you already posted this message on Kassandra's talk page as well. I will direct you to the response I already gave over at Alexios' talk page. In addition to that, I would like to clarify that while I understand the sentiment for equality between the two characters, the aim of this wiki is to document the canonical lore, or in other words, the true story of Assassin's Creed. This canonical, the "true" story, cannot have both Kassandra or Alexios as the main character of Odyssey. It has to be one or the other despite the fact players can have fun pretending the non-canonical one is the actual hero. In this case, Ubisoft has declared through the novel that Kassandra is the canonical character lore-wise who experienced the events of Odyssey that the player will play, so we have no choice but to be honest and give her the status as the heroine.

I also believe I explained this a bit already on "Alexios"' talk page, but historical facts has no bearing on what actually happened in this fictional world as much as it should stay true to history as much as possible. We've all been a bit disappointed at some radical deviations from real history (e.g. I, for one, object to Sun Yat-sen being a Templar as a dishonor to his historical values), but we are still forced to document the series' position as it is decided by Ubisoft. Furthermore, I don't think Kassandra's role as a heroine necessarily contradicts this history because for one, Spartan women, although still with low status, were allowed and encouraged to be athletic, and secondly, her deeds as a hero takes place when she is a stateless exile, not as a woman bound by Spartan law. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 04:22, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

Kassandra after Odyssey

We know by now that Kassandra stayed alive for over 2300 years thanks to the Staff of Hermes but I'm still curious, what did she do in the intervening time between the conclusion of the ancient side and the modern-day ending of AC:Odyssey? Has Ubisoft released any such information? Are there any theories as to how she influenced parts of history, if at all? SkyGuy-Let's chat! 00:21, November 3, 2018 (UTC)

Born in Sparta vs born in Pitana

I'll have to check one I get home but I think the novel states she was born in Pitana. Don't know if this is a hard contradiction from the game as the house you reclaim is definitely in Sparta proper. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 03:28, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Though Pitana and other villages in Lakonia are locate away from Sparta, they are still part of Sparta in some sense since if I recall correctly, the city-state was formed from the four villages, including Pitana. If the novel does state she was born in Pitana, does it mention anything about them moving to the house in the ouskirts of the city?XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:41, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

Novel does say she was born in Pitana and that’s where the house was and that’s the same house she reclaims when she comes back. However the game depicts it like smack dab in the middle of Sparta proper. Don’t know if we should change the info box to say Pitana instead of Sparta for place of birth.Lacrossedeamon (talk) 14:12, November 17, 2018 (UTC)

Preview containing spoilers

Hello

I was just browsing Wiki when preview of this article (including date of character's death) appeared on the borderside. Since such information is a major story spoiler, I suggest that either

1. This information should be removed from preview of the article

or

2. Preview of this article should not appear on random pages.

Thanks

Minitaur2000 (talk) 04:08, November 28, 2018 (UTC)

Birthdate and age of the Eagle Bearer

There is some conflicting information on the birthdate and age of the Eagle Bearer, so I though it might help to summarize what we know from then ovel and the game(s) (Assassin's Creed: Odyssey and Assassin's Creed: Rebellion): 

• In Assassin's Creed: Rebellion, the bio of both Kassandra and Alexios states that the older sibling was seven when the younger sibling was born and when the events on Mount Taygetos took place. The novel confirms that Kassandra was seven at the time of the events on Mount Taygetos and also gives a date: 451 BC.
• The quest 'A Mother's Prayers' in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey mentions that 17 years have passed since the Eagle Bearer saw his/her mother. In the novel, however, Myrrine states that 20+ years have passed. 
• When we start the game in Kephalonia, it is 431 BC. This is shown explicitly. The novel also states that 20 years have passed since the events on Mount Taygetos (which in the novel took place in 451 BC).
• The reunion of Myrinne and the Eagle Bearer takes places ca. 428 BC. The game nor the novel explicitly state this, but historically Pericles died in (autumn) 429 BC, so we have some notion of when the reunion likely took place. The novel also mentions that one year passes between leaving Athens and arriving on Naxos (the cult hunts the Kassandra and the Adrestia). 
• The battle of Amphipolis (leading to the deaths of Brasidas and Kleon) at the end of the game historically took place in 422 BC. 

In conclusion, there is a six year difference between the novel and the game, caused by the discrepancy between the novel and the game as to how much time has passed when the reunion takes place: in the novel it is 23 years (20 years have passed in the beginning and the reunion takes place three years later) and in the game it is 17 years.  

So, doing some calculations, we can say this about the birthdate and age of the Eagle Bearer in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey:

• Following the information of the novel, Kassandra is 27 at the start of the game, about 30 when reuniting with Myrrine and about 36 at the end of the game, which would put her birthdate at 458 BC. 
• Following the information of the game, the Eagle Bearer is 24 at the time of the reunion with Myrinne (7 years old during the events at Mount Taygetos + 17 years have passed), and therefore about 21 at the start of the game and about 30 at the end of the game, so following this information, the Eagle Bearer's birthdate is ca. 452 BC and the events on Mount Taygetos would have taken place in ca. 445 BC. 

Ryshenar (talk) 17:28, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

We actually plan to add both dates as possible birthdates for both Kass and Alexios with a note mentioning the game and novel discrepancy. We just haven’t got around to doing it just yet. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 17:43, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Kassandra and Alexios aren't full siblings?

I'm a little confused about the half-sibling stuff. Is it from the novel? The game states otherwise.

See THIS SCREENSHOT, for one example.  Uli Talk 02:20, April 14, 2019 (UTC)