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Name order?

This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

Great question. The Japanese have a habit of re-ordering their name to Western convention when dealing with Westerners, something that is unheard of in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. For example, Abe Shinzo is frequently given as Shinzo Abe in Western media. I think this is because Japanese names tend to be longer, enough that the reordering wouldn't feel as awkward. There's no official rule that the name has to be reordered to conform with Western custom as far as I know... Personally, I never liked this practice. It creates an unnecessary inconsistency and sometimes when learning about a new Japanese individual or historical figure, I even get confused which order the author of the source decided to go with. Nevertheless, the order we give should first and foremost reflect the order used in the source material. If this itself isn't consistent, I recommend to go with surname first since our articles on other Japanese characters like Takeda Shingen, Hattori Hanzō, and Tokugawa Ieyasu uses this native order. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 23:07, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

So Mitsuko Nakamura should be the only westernized one? Tangent is she actually a Japanese Templar or does she just happen to be both Japanese and a Templar? I’m under the impression there’s a distinction. —unsigned comment by Lacrossedeamon (talk · contr)

Bear in mind we have a lot of westernized names for Japanese characters (see Category:Japanese). While I don't oppose maintaining one order for consistency and, as Sol Pacificus said, avoid confusion to the reader, I do also feel it is best to maintain the order given in the source material. -- Master Sima Yi _Talk 07:39, April 29, 2020 (UTC)

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 This looks to be in the western convention but should we change it to surname first? [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 22:58, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
 :Great question. The Japanese have a habit of re-ordering their name to Western convention when dealing with Westerners, something that is unheard of in Chinese, Korean, and Vietnamese. For example, {{wiki|Shinzo Abe|Abe Shinzo}} is frequently given as Shinzo Abe in Western media. I think this is because Japanese names tend to be longer, enough that the reordering wouldn't feel as awkward. There's no official rule that the name has to be reordered to conform with Western custom as far as I know... Personally, I never liked this practice. It creates an unnecessary inconsistency and sometimes when learning about a new Japanese individual or historical figure, I even get confused which order the author of the source decided to go with. Nevertheless, the order we give should first and foremost reflect the order used in the source material. If this itself isn't consistent, I recommend to go with surname first since our articles on other Japanese characters like [[Takeda Shingen]], [[Hattori Hanzō]], and [[Tokugawa Ieyasu]] uses this native order. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:07, April 28, 2020 (UTC)
-::So [[Mitsuko Nakamura]] should be the only westernized one? Tangent is she actually a Japanese Templar or does she just happen to be both Japanese and a Templar? I’m under the impression there’s a distinction.
+::So [[Mitsuko Nakamura]] should be the only westernized one? Tangent is she actually a Japanese Templar or does she just happen to be both Japanese and a Templar? I’m under the impression there’s a distinction. {{unsigned|Lacrossedeamon}}
+:::Bear in mind we have a lot of westernized names for Japanese characters (see [[:Category:Japanese]]). While I don't oppose maintaining one order for consistency and, as Sol Pacificus said, avoid confusion to the reader, I do also feel it is best to maintain the order given in the source material. -- {{User:Master Sima Yi/sig}} 07:39, April 29, 2020 (UTC)