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Jack the Ripper Identity Theory in AC: S[]

Here's a crazy thought but; people have been comparing Jack the Ripper and Jacob together, thinking they're the same person because of their outfit, their build, the lack of Jacob in the trailer and the fact that Jack the Ripper's voice sounds like an older version of Jacob's but what if it isn't him? What if it's a different Frye; say, Ethan Frye, the father of Evie and Jacob? He could have used a Piece of Eden to make him younger and because of it's power it turned him mad. It's strange, but it could be possible if a Piece of Eden did that, right? Yes, it's crazy but it's the only explanation I can give for people thinking Jacob is Jack the Ripper. GamerSophie (talk) 19:58, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Ethan Frye is dead. He died of natural causes prior to Evie and Jacob's journey to London. At this point, I really don't think it's a member of the Frye family; we might not even get to know who Jack the Ripper was in the DLC. Maybe he escapes Jacob and Evie? Crook The Constantine District 20:02, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
That's where I got the 'make him younger' idea from. It's the only rational explanation I can think of on why people think Jacob would become Jack the Ripper. I don't care who it is but I want to be surprised and kept on my toes. I don't mind if it's Jacob or Evie or even Clara! Yes, Jack the Ripper is suspected to be a woman. Yes, he could escape Jacob and Evie but what if-because the real Jack the Ripper disappears in 1888-he is killed, demasked, his identity is revealed and they hide his identity from the public because he was part of the Order or someone they trusted? GamerSophie (talk) 20:08, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
You can't make a corpse younger :P I think we can definitely rule out Ethan as being Jack the Ripper, unless the Shroud of Eden's healing powers can even bring back those who are long dead. Which, in my opinion, would a bad creative decision to make since it cheapens death. That's a bad idea in a franchise that is all about assassinating people.
I'm curious as to what they'll do with it - reportedly, the writer of the DLC is the person that wrote the Dreadful Crimes content, which means we'll likely have a crime scene to analyze. I don't really want Jack to be an existing character like Clara though, that'd be really awful. There could be various reasons for his disappearance, but it is important to note that Sergeant Abberline worked the case and the Frye twins are allied with him; that means that IF they manage to apprehend Jack the Ripper and potentially kill him, they'd need to have a very good reason to keep that a secret from Abberline. Jack being a former Assassin or driven mad by a Piece of Eden for example. Crook The Constantine District 20:14, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

The only Piece of Eden capable of restoring youth that we know of is the Fountain of Youth, which if it hadn't been moved or destroyed would still be in Florida at that time. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 20:22, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

Jacob turns crazy and makes a 'monster' out of dead corpses like the story of Frankenstein? Lol. :P

Okay, here is the list of people I made which we can both analyse and see if one is more likely to be Jack the Ripper:

Jacob Frye - Could be but bad plot idea as everyone thinks it's him but it's Ubisoft, they make good DLCs so if it is him they'll give it some spice to keep us riled up. He has a son and possibly a wife at this time and he is mentioned being evacuated to the countryside in WWI, so not him.

Ethan Frye - Dead. (This isn't a revamped story of Frankenstein).

Henry Green - Only on this list because we know nothing of what he did after he and Evie went to India in 1869. His time after that year is unknown to us. Unlikely.

Evie Frye - She's in the trailer in her 'Ball' attire so not her.

Clara O'Dea - It would be funny as hell if it was her but sadly it's unlikely.

George Westhouse - God knows what he's doing, but he is closer to dying at this point as he is now old so unlikely.

An Assassin - More likely.

A police officer - More likely.

He's old enough to have a deep voice, considered to be in his late 30's to late 50's because they casted John Newman to voice him. Also, it is not stated if you will play Evie or Jacob. It says 'the player' so it's not confirmed if we are yet again playing the Frye twins; I do want to play 40 year old Jacob and Evie though. Lol. GamerSophie (talk) 20:31, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

It's not going to be Henry either - that'd be SO out of left field. You know, I just remembered that Lydia was born only five years after the Ripper killings, which means Jacob already has a son by this time. And Evie might have children as well - maybe we'll be playing as one of their children instead, rather than 40-year-old Jacob/Evie (not that I'd mind playing as them).
I'm also not 100% sure I trust the "Evie in a dress" now, as in, I'm not sure if it's actually part of the DLC or something they just threw into the trailer. The Darwin and Dickens Conspiracy trailer has nothing to do with the actual missions it consists of, so maybe it's misleading marketing?
For now, I'm hedging my bets it's going to be someone (maybe an Assassin) we're introduced to at the beginning of the DLC. One of the historical suspects will appear and it'll seem like they're Jack the Ripper, until the final mission and then we find out it's the person from the very beginning and kill them. That, or Jack gets away. Crook The Constantine District 20:42, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
Oh yeah! Jacob has an unknown son and wife-if he married-so he can't be Jack the Ripper as it is mentioned that he and Evie are evacuated to the countryside in WWI. It's unknown if Evie did go on to have children, though, but I would rather play as Jacob and Evie. We'll just have to wait and see. GamerSophie (talk) 21:07, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
Evie had to have had children, otherwise we wouldn't be able to play as her. -- Zero-ELEC (talk) 03:47, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant 'It's unknown if Evie did go on to have children in England' as she and Henry go to India in 1869, probably to get married and have children there. Maybe we won't see the children in the DLC as they could be adults and doing their own thing. GamerSophie (talk) 16:46, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
Now that the game-trailer it out, there is more hints that Evie knows the Ripper from his line 'Welcome to the reunion, Miss Frye.' (And that he either does not know she's married or she isn't married). So, now with the game-trailer released, anymore guesses? GamerSophie (talk) 17:49, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
If i had to make a wild guess, it would be Arthur Doyle. As Crook said, the guy that wrote this DLC also wrote the Dreadful Crimes. Why? Well i don't know, but as soon as i start playing, i will look for those "hints" they always throw at us before revealing the identity, if they do. DipsonDP (talk) 18:01, December 10, 2015 (UTC) 
I never thought of him. It's a possibility, as it has to be someone she knows. I mean, look at her face at the end when he removes the hat and the mask. That's a look which you give to someone you haven't seen in a long time. GamerSophie (talk) 18:09, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Since I'm still of the belief it's not going to be Jacob, I'm kinda puzzling on who she's "reuniting with". No particular side character sticks out to me as possessing the potential of becoming a serial killer, so I still think it's going to be a new character. Crook The Constantine District 18:14, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so considering we'll apparently get to play as the Ripper as a secondary "protagonist", Jack can't be Jacob. His child was obviously around at least fifteen by 1888 if Lydia was born in 1893. So we wouldn't be able to relive Jacob's nor the Ripper's memories if both were one and the same person. Jacob can still be a non-playable character and play a considerable part in the DLC though. My guess is that Jacob trained Jack as an Assassin and was either framed by the police or confined in Bedlam, hence Evie's mission in the asylum to free him (maybe ?) TOULOIR, membre du Conseil parisien (discussion) 18:24, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

That's confirmed? We're playing as Jack the Ripper? :o Oh shit, that's creepy. But yeah, I feel like Jack's a former Assassin that's gone completely bonkers and Jacob's been kidnapped/framed for all the murders. Crook The Constantine District 18:18, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Not confirmed, but the trailer and first screenshots speak for themselves. Actually, I just thought for a minute. Jacob COULD be Jack if the descendant the DNA was extracted from were not related to Lydia. But since we got to relive her memories... yeah, so not that likely. Man, that's a mess.TOULOIR, membre du Conseil parisien (discussion) 18:24, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
I don't think we're playing as Jack, I think he's framing Evie for all the murders from the line 'You won't make a monster out of me!'. I believe it is not Jacob or anyone we know, unless the DLC has been so cleverly written that when his identity is revealed we all go 'Oh my god!'. Or, I've just thought, that we play Evie in the day but Jack through the night. GamerSophie (talk) 18:21, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Im still wondering how we can play as Evie when se was 41. I mean, didn't she have children? Having a child after the forties is kinda risky, Miss Frye :v DipsonDP (talk) 18:47, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
It has not been confirmed that Evie had any children, so if that is true then they retrieved her DNA from her remains directly instead of her descendants. GamerSophie (talk) 18:52, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
That's kinda of a longshot considering that she was probably buried as a normal person, and not like a war hero or something. It's like finding the remaining of a random person. DipsonDP (talk) 19:00, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Come on, it's Abstergo we're talking about. GamerSophie (talk) 19:01, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
You're going to love this : I had that theory back when the Jacob=Jack one was still plausible that Jacob's DNA was collected from Mary Jane Kelly's remains, knowing one of her alledged relatives asked in August 2015 for her great-aunt's remains to beb exhumed for DNA examination (source)

TOULOIR, membre du Conseil parisien (discussion) 19:02, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, i thought of Jacob's children (Which he should have already had by 1888) to confirm that he wasn't the Ripper, but then i remembered that part of Jack's DNA was found DipsonDP (talk) 19:07, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

And the plot thickens... GamerSophie (talk) 19:28, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Wait, I was watching the trailer again and I recognize the voice from the main game! Especially when he says 'Miss Frye' at the end, but I don't know who it is. GamerSophie (talk) 20:22, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

He is part of Evie's family, as revealed on the last mission's name. Jacob theory just got 50% most likely DipsonDP (talk) 02:51, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I'm against the Jacob = Jack theory but I think given the "reunion" line from Jack in the story trailer it's likely that he's a member of the Frye family, possibly Emmett Frye. ArcemzSig.png 03:02, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I hope so, i dont think they would have added Emmett to Isabelle's list without a reason. --DipsonDP (talk) 03:18, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, I doubt they will go with one of the historical suspects or with a generic Assassin or Templar figure since Jack seems to know Evie. My guess is that's Emmett or another Frye who's been driven insane by First Civilization tech like Michel Reuge, only in a more twisted way. ArcemzSig.png 03:32, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Could be; as the last mission is called 'Family Reunion', but I thought it was just Jacob and Evie reuniting again after she left for India twenty years back. But it would be interesting if the Family Reunion also meant Evie finally finding out that the identity of Jack all this time was Emmett Frye or another family member. Especially when he says 'How long will it take for you to see the truth', he has obviously been leaving clues to his identity for Evie. He wants her to find him. The story trailer for the DLC has George in it! At the end at 1:36 when Jack is coming out of the yard; the small glimpse of the Assassin outfit is definitely his, I compared them many times and they are the same. --GamerSophie (talk) 07:31, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

WAIT, isn't he JACOB? Hear the voice, it's Paul! It can't be George, 68 years and facing Jack The Ripper? I bet Jacob became the Mentor after Eve left London and took his robes. --DipsonDP (talk) 07:40, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I think its Jacob. Jack the Ripper says "Welcome to the reunion, Miss Frye" later in the trailer, so does that mean they're relatives or once great friends? (AND BTW does it mean HENRY AND EVIE ARENT MARRIED YET because he should say 'Mrs. Green/Mir' instead, right?) And Who I think is Jacob wearing George's outfit says "Jack, we can fix you". Does that also mean that Jack is somehow mutated or lost his mind (probably bec of a piece of eden)? -Misphantom (talk) 09:46, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

It's not going to be Jacob, that's way too transparent, too obvious, too predictable - it's clearly what Ubisoft wants us to think. "Reunion" could mean a great many things - is Evie reuniting with Jack the Ripper? Or is this a line where Evie meets a captive of Jack the Ripper? Even if it's the former, it could be any person she's met in the last twenty years, it doesn't necessarily have to be Jacob or Emmett, both of which we know survive into the 20th century, when the trophy for finishing the DLC explicitly states that "Jack the Ripper is dead".
Besides, if it was Jacob, he would totally say "welcome to the reunion, Evie". He's the last person who would call her "Miss Frye". As for Evie still being called "Miss Frye", who knows? It could mean any number of things, though my guess is it's just because she's been in India for so long so people in London don't know about her marital status. I'm still sticking with my theory that Jack is a former Assassin, possibly a pupil of Jacob. "Driven mad by a Piece of Eden" also sounds like a bit of a cop-out, so I hope they won't do that. Crook The Constantine District 10:00, December 11, 2015 (UTC)
How about Abberline driven mad by a Piece of Eden? ;) Vetinari(Appointment) 14:16, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Watching the trailer, for me it is evident that Jack is someone she knows or knew, and that as gamers whe have met him in Syndicate and are emotionally invested in to make the revelation more shocking. I hope they will not conclude the DLC with Jack dying without being unmasked, not my favorite option. Other possibilities:

Henry Raymond: Has survived is fall, love mind games... want revenge on Evie Frye so create an elaborate plan to destoy her body and mind.

Crawford Starrick: He was using a Shroud at the time of his death and was a little mad, so maybe... "It took me time to heal and now I track the traitors who have turned their backs on me, letting me rot in that vault, I will kill them and all the filth that have grown in my city during my absence, then you Miss Frye, after that your brother and all the one you ever loved..."

Henry Green: Have disapeared and Evie is looking for him, so she came back to London, hoping to find him there with the help of Abberline who recruit her to catch Jack the Ripper, delaying her search for her husband to deal with him... later discovering that he is in fact Henry turned mad by an artefact.

Clara O'Dea: Trained as an Assassin by Jacob, could be Jack if she get a throat cancer and trained to have NFL player shoulders. (Not my favorite theory, lol, personaly I hope to discover that she is now Jacob sweetheart. 1888= Jacob 41yo, Clara 30yo, not probable but possible in regard of Ezio's personal case.)

???: the last trophy mention the fact that Evie kept to herself the true identity of Jack the Ripper and take action to kept it secret. It could mean that the impact of the reveal was to great to make the information public, so Jack is maybe a famous and historical character of that time.Maxattac (talk) 10:48, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

I think the reason he refers to her as Miss Frye in the trailer is just so that people who haven't collected all the pressed flowers (which would be a lot of people) don't get confused. It's much simpler to just call her by her most recognisable name. I'm in favour of the former Assassin theory but I think something pretty significant would have to happen to twist him this way. I doubt it could be Henry or Clara because Jack's voice clearly has a male British accent. ArcemzSig.png 11:05, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

No one has thought of the option that it could be Jacob's son. I mean, the twin gene is genetic so because Jacob is a twin, he could have married and produced twins himself. One grows up to be the father of Lydia Frye and the other grows up to become Jack the Ripper. Lydia was born in 1893, making her father 20-25 at the time, so in 1888 he would be old enough to be Jack the Ripper, BUT, he is alive because Lydia is born in 1893, so it could be possible that it is a child of Jacob's; a twin of his known son, which is why Evie recognizes him and that Jacob knows him. But because he's turned 'cray-cray' he does not acknowledge Evie or Jacob as family, the use of 'Miss Frye' is evidence to this, which is why the last mission is called 'Family Reunion'.

It also explains why Abberline asked for Evie's help; Jacob says he won't help because he knows why Jack the Ripper is and does not want to kill his own son. --GamerSophie (talk) 15:42, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

Up above I suggested Emmett Frye, who's listed in the first present day cutscene along with Jacob and Evie, and is most likely Jacob's son. And I think the twin son theory would also work really well with one son being normal and the other somehow twisted enough to become Jack, because that would explain the "Jack, we can fix you" line. ArcemzSig.png 21:56, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

We don't know if Emmett is Jacob's son or an ancestor/descendant of Jacob. We'll have to see. --GamerSophie (talk) 22:44, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

True, but it's odd that they list Emmett and not Ethan, Cecily or Lydia. I think it could be a hint towards the DLC and Jack's identity, but it's just my theory. ArcemzSig.png 01:29, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

I thought Emmett might have been an earlier name for Ethan which had been left in the game. Vetinari(Appointment) 14:16, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Whos knows; so, anymore guesses? The only plausible theory is the Twin Theory and the Assassin-Turned-Crazy Theory. --GamerSophie (talk) 13:19, December 13, 2015 (UTC)

Well, the fact that Lydia's, Ethan's and Cecily's names aren't on the list is quite reasonable considering the fact that it's a race to The Shroud, Abstergo is researching the Frye's memories as fast as they can, and they wouldn´t stop to research Ethan's, Cecily's and Lydia's memories. So, why is Emmett's name on the list? This is another answer that helps the "Emmett Theory". When you get an Animus Omega, What would be one of the first things that you do? Obviously uncovering Jack The Ripper's identity with the sample that was recovered from one of his victims! And by doing this, Abstergo discovered that his parents/Father was an Assassin, so they also investigated him and found out about The Shroud! This explaind why Emmett's name is on the list while the other Fryes aren't, and how they found out about the Shroud being in London. Every makes sence with this theory. --DipsonDP (talk) 03:24, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Jack Frye[]

What if Jack the Ripper is Jack Frye the son of Jacob Frye. It's been 20 years since Assassin's Creed: Syndicate he could be the same age as Jacob and Evie Frye's age in Assassin's Creed: Syndicate. The reason Jacob taught Jack assassination and didn't stop him when he went out of control would make sense. --Cococrash11 (talk) 08:02, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

That's what we are saying. Im pretty much sure that "Jack" is not the real name of "Jack". That would spoil the surprise for Evie :) DipsonDP (talk) 19:11, December 14, 2015 (UTC)  

Well what you're saying isn't clear. I personally think his real name is Jack I mean where else would they get the name Jack in Jack the Ripper. But I guess we'll see when the DLC is released. --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:26, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

The name "Jack" was the nickname a journalist gave him (Real life Fact) DipsonDP (talk) 21:45, December 14, 2015 (UTC)

Now we know the truth with the release of the DLC yesterday. GamerSophie (talk) 17:57, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

It seems I get his first name right Jack is his real name but I guess his last name isn't Frye and they didn't even provide one, only got it half right. --Cococrash11 (talk) 20:43, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Animus & Helix[]

Animus shouldn't it be Helix instead in the Trivia section. --Cococrash11 (talk) 20:44, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it should. Feel free to make the change. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 20:49, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Move to "Jack"[]

Call it nitpicking if you will, but should we move the article to "Jack"? The current title is accurate, but it also includes a nickname (i.e. "the Ripper") which is something we normally avoid using in article titles. Jack the Ripper would, of course, remain as an automatic redirect if a move was made. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:04, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

I dunno, I feel like "Jack the Ripper" has sort of transcended the nickname thing; it encompasses the character much better than just "Jack". I'm not sure where I'm going with that, but basically I vote we keep the name as it is :P Crook The Constantine District 16:25, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
I would say, in the context of the series, that moving the page to Jack is appropriate, as we are aware that 'Jack' was truly his given name. In the most technical sense, leaving it as it is would be analogous to titling the article "Jack the Lad", for example. The move would be encyclopedic, given that "the Ripper" has been revealed to have been the real nickname, with "Jack the Ripper" later becoming the nickname of legend, due to public ignorance of Jack's identity -- of the fact that 'Jack' was actually his real name rather than a mere pseudonym (if that makes any sense).
Should the content be moved to "Jack", a "Jack (disambiguation)" page would definitely need to be created thereafter, with either:
  • {{For|others named 'Jack'|[[Jack (disambiguation)]]}}, or
  • {{Youmay|the serial killer|[[Jack (disambiguation)|another 'Jack']]}}
... or whatever, subsequently being placed at the head of the article. klad (talk) 18:03, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

While I would normally be in favour of such a move, I'm actually more inclined to just leave the page at 'Jack the Ripper.' The name is so common and widespread that it is more than 'just a nickname,' and I think it would feel silly to move it to 'Jack' even if that is, technically speaking, how we tend to do things. That being said, I won't actually oppose such a move if people agree that is what we should do. Amnestyyy (Contact me!) 18:52, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

jack to dry is too lazy . Unlike the other characters who have ignored their nicknames, like Connor, Jack the Ripper is a historical figure popularly known that. Spanish assassin (Talk) 19:17, December 17, 2015 (UTC)

I'm personally of the mind that we should call the page Jack, if only to keep consistency (see Rashid ad-Din Sinan/Al Mualim or, if you want a more equivalent historical example, Rodrigo Borgia/Alexander VI). Of course, do we actually know that his given name is Jack? I mean, "Jack the Lad" was also a nickname, no? -- Zero-ELEC (talk) 00:19, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

I think he should be called Jack the Ripper instead of Jack. History already named him Jack the Ripper. --Cococrash11 (talk) 00:48, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

You have to think about this in the context of the series, though. In this particular aspect, history is more detailed and informative in the series than it is in reality. In my opinion, the wiki should reflect that in the article's title as a way of immediately informing the reader, "Yes, his given name, in Assassin's Creed's lore, was actually Jack." Plus, it's consistent.
@Zero-ELEC: During a hallucinogenic sequence in the DLC, Jack's mother (or at least a voice heavily implied to have been that of his mother) can be heard yelling, "Go to Jacob! Run, Jack!" I'd say yes, the DLC reveals that his given name is truly 'Jack'. klad (talk) 01:12, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
Cococrash, History™ may have already called him "Jack the Ripper" but according to the series (what we cover) his given name is Jack. We don't call Rodrigo Borgia "Alexander VI", even though History™ named him that.-- Zero-ELEC (talk) 05:22, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Rules have exceptions, and in this case many of us concur to leave it as "Jack the Ripper" as Jack is too simple and the Ripper is as good as it gets for a surname. --Alientraveller (talk) 06:32, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Zeroelec, By that logic the article Victoria, Queen of the United Kingdom should just be named Victoria. --Cococrash11 (talk) 08:48, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
I'm obviously in favour of a move, since I originally proposed it. Moving the article is consistent with our normal practices of using birth names as article titles. 'Jack' may be a "simple" name, but if it's technically correct then there's no reason, in my eyes, not to move the article.
Also, on the subject of articles covering royalty. I believe the royal title was allowed to remain due to the fact that there can be multiple monarchs of different countries using the same name (e.g. Henry III of England and Henry III of France). --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:19, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
With 3 in favour of moving the page to Jack and 5 against, I take it we'll be sticking with the article title we have now? I'm actually a little surprised (but pleased, of course) that so many people contributed to this discussion :P Crook The Constantine District 09:25, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
As am I, though I think it's too early in the discussion to call the results of a vote. I'm sure there are still points to be made by people on this subject, and others might change their mind based on said points. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:44, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
It's good to see people getting together and discussing things like these. I suggest we don't shut the discussion down by already proclaiming a 'winner.' However, I do think a slight change in formatting might be wise, so as to easier keep track of everyone's opinions. :) Amnestyyy (Contact me!) 12:31, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
I think this format is fine. As and when the time for a vote comes along, I'll add the typical voting format below, and leave this discussion here for posterity. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:32, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
to the names of the popes. It is true that we have what Alejandro VI as Rodrigo. But his name is more popular than the Pope. But Julius II as pope and we have no Giuliano della Rovere. Sorry for my english :P Spanish assassin (Talk) 12:40, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Hey can I vote? I vote for "Jack" (with the redirection of course). Or something like Jack (Serial killer). Okay that sounded bad. Im not very good at this naming thing (Hey, Klad XD). But like Nesty, it's okay for me if it stays Jack the Ripper since its almost like his name but I think we also should be consistent with our rules. But does that mean Queen Victoria's page name would be changed as well? Misphantom (talk) 12:13, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

It should remain Jack the Ripper. --67.187.29.77 13:32, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

I've seen this kind of talk with people "I wanted ... to be the Ripper" or "Should have been Jacob" or such. Well heres my two cents on the matter. They did it perfectly in this dlc. If it had been Jacob there would have been several things wrong with that.

One how could someone like Jacobo who by the end of the main game understand his actions can cause horrific side effects if hes not careful go from that to a murderous person who hunts and does horrific things to prostitutes and leaves them in a manner that turns even the most strongest stomach. Jacob kills, but he doesn't target people unless they have had it coming. 

Two if it had been Jacob there would have been no way Evie, Henry, or Abbernathy let him live after all that. And he had to be alive to train the next Assassin who carried the name Frye (whose name escapes me at this moment). To cooperate and even train this assassin they had to be on good terms. Would that be the case of Jack was Jacob. 

Third and final is Jack himself and keeping his face hidden. It keeps the mystery alive and fits exaclty with how it should be. True, they claim to have DNA that could identify him now, but there would be so much needed to finally put a face to a faceless killer. Jack had a tragic life with his mother being killed by the Templars, sent to the Asylum where he was abused and had to endure the other inmates who were truly insane. All this warping his mind into something that would fit what he would become. The coat, the hat, the blade, and finally the burlap mask that covered his face gives you this sight of a monsterous, intimidating, mysterious figure that stalks the streets for victims. Removing that mask removes most of the fear that it gives him. Instead of this legandary killer that becomes immortal by story, you get a human that confines to mortal shackles. Why does Jack's story continue today? Why does it still produce fear of of people. Because of his deeds, because of how the story has been told, and because even today while many famous murderers have either vanished or have been caught, Jack the Ripper continues to elude any light that is shed on his case and story. He remains the mystery, the enigma, and the shadow he was and still is.



By ending the dlc in that manner, they did the story, the characters, and the time the best way they could have. 

Secret database entry[]

Can we use the information from the secret database entry in Jack biography, like his DOB, the date of his mother's death, etc?Francesco75 (talk) 17:37, May 16, 2020 (UTC)

I don't recall a secret database entry. What are you referring to exactly? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 17:45, May 16, 2020 (UTC)
Look in the trivia section. Lacrosse updated this info.Francesco75 (talk) 17:51, May 16, 2020 (UTC)

Identity[]

Should he really still be in the Unidentified individuals category even when we know that his name is Jack? Someone also modded the game to reveal his face and we apart from that we also saw a photo of him when he was much younger MedievalVibes (talk)

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