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:::::Our article on [[Marcello Savonarola]], Girolamo's cousin, says that he was met by Ezio in 1492. Which is the correct date of their encounter, 1492 or 1494? [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:13, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
 
:::::Our article on [[Marcello Savonarola]], Girolamo's cousin, says that he was met by Ezio in 1492. Which is the correct date of their encounter, 1492 or 1494? [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 23:13, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Is discovery supposed to be from an Animus session? If it is there's the possibility that the session didn’t have high quality data and that some of it wasn’t extrapolated from secondary sources causing the Animus to display incorrect data. Alternatively the same could be said for Rebellion which we already know is heavily modified by Abstergo to be an entertainment product. [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 23:22, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
 
::::::Is discovery supposed to be from an Animus session? If it is there's the possibility that the session didn’t have high quality data and that some of it wasn’t extrapolated from secondary sources causing the Animus to display incorrect data. Alternatively the same could be said for Rebellion which we already know is heavily modified by Abstergo to be an entertainment product. [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 23:22, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
::::::On a more topical note, looking at the novel Ezio meet Marcello in Ch 24. In the beginning of Ch 25 he is in venice and learns Rodrigo just became the Pope place that in 1492. At the end of the chapter he rescues Piero placing that at 1494. There is a bit of a time skip in the chapter but it doesn’t seem like two years. This also seems to contradict A War in the Shadows from Rebellion. [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 23:49, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
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::::::On a more topical note, looking at the novel Ezio meet Marcello in Ch 24. In the beginning of Ch 25 he is in venice and learns Rodrigo just became the Pope place that in 1492. At the end of the chapter he rescues Piero placing that at 1494. There is a bit of a time skip in the chapter but it didnt really seem like two years. This also seems to contradict A War in the Shadows from Rebellion (although it could be argued that Ezio didn’t go himself). [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 23:49, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
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Yes, ''Discovery''{{'}}s HUD indicates that it's in an Animus session, but this is the same with ''Altaïr's Chronicles'' and ''Bloodlines''. While I understand that some players in those early years tried to find some way to reconcile this with mainstream lore, I have never bothered and just pretended that the detail that the three games are simulations within an Animus to be non-canon and that we are playing Altaïr and Ezio directly. It is a natural and understandable consequence of Ubisoft wanting to retain the aesthetic for their early spin-off games. With that being said, my dismissal of this detail isn't necessarily correct, but there's no explanation for it. Unlike ''Liberation'' and ''Rebellion'', these early spin-off games are not Abstergo products but someone reliving the protagonists' actual memories via the Animus.
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On a side-note, I think that the idea that the Animus may have been displaying incorrect data due to low quality DNA is too far into the realm of speculation. As I understand, it is a possibility presented by ''Odyssey''{{'}}s example, but I think we should be conservative about providing that as an explanation because it sets a dangerous precedent that pretty much every memory we have ever seen through the Animus is unreliable to the extent that completely false memories and events could be fabricated, fresh, by the device. ''Rebellion'' is definitely more likely to have tampered data since we actually know that it was modified by Abstergo as an entertainment product, as much as I hate this sort of explanation too, that might be the best we have for how Ezio recognizes Torquemada as a Templar in ''Rebellion'' but not in ''Discovery''.
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I have no idea what to do yet with the information that Ezio meeting Marcello Savonarola is actually in 1492. Maybe if I read the exact text, I would be able to think of something, but I can't get the book right now with the quarantine. You're right that we can just say that he only ordered the Assassins in "A War in the Shadows". I had already made sure to imply that that was the case in my writing for the section concerning that event, but if it is definite, then the article probably shouldn't be going into the detail I went into about it because he wasn't directly involved. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:21, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
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Although I should point out that the novelizations of the games have always been treated as the lowest-tier of canon and in some details definitely non-canon—at least according to the old staff. Our policy hitherto had always been that information that it provides is canon as long as it doesn't seriously conflict with anything. [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 00:25, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
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:I agree that it definitely is a stretch and has certain ramifications but I think it is an interesting alternative to think about compared to differing levels of canonicity, especially since Ubisoft itself has never published a tier list and is pretty bad at addressing questions about conflicts. However it would require some retroactive input from Ubisoft to fully implement. As it is I think Animus quality and accuracy plus extrapolated data only explicitly pertains to Odyssey, Reflections, and Last Descendants. [[User:Lacrossedeamon|Lacrossedeamon]] ([[User talk:Lacrossedeamon|talk]]) 01:33, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
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:: I have ''Renaissance'' in French and they said that Ezio was in Venice in 1492 but met Piero who was historically exil in 1494 as you said. Many events didn't respect the chronology has the event in the vault which occurred in 1503 in the novel. I think we need to ask directly to [[Aymar Azaïzia]] to be sure about what is canon or not about the journey in Spain and if the novel is canon.[[User:Francesco75|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75|talk]]) 08:32, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
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:::Do you also know if [[Florentine Fiasco]], the first memory of ''[[Bonfire of the Vanities (DLC)|Bonfire of the Vanities]]'' actually occurs in 1494 instead of 1497 according to the novel? The game clearly dates it to 1497, and the uprising against Savonarola leading to his death seems to happen in short order. However, if we go by the fact that he was redirected to Florence by Piero in 1494, then there's yet another awkward 3 year time skip before he finally returns to Florence to confront Savonarola... In the game, Machiavelli also notes that Savonarola only seized power a few weeks before Ezio's arrival even though it dates his arrival to 1497... [[User:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#990000;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:17px">'''Sol Pacificus'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sol Pacificus|<span style="color:#D4AF37;font-family:Californian FB;font-size:11px">(Cyfiero)</span>]]</sup> 12:22, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
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::::It is only stated that Savonarola took control in 1494. But they spoke about the bonfire of vanities which occurred for the most famous the 7th February 1497, but it's a regular event since 1495 to replace the Carnival. They also specified that they are rumors that Alexander VI wanted to excommunicate Savonarola which happened in mid-1497. In my headcanon, Ezio was occupied with the first Italian War (1494-1498) and the French invasion in Naples and only returned in Florence in 1497 but it's only in my mind.[[User:Francesco75|Francesco75]] ([[User talk:Francesco75|talk]]) 13:18, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
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As this page is locked, can the following be added to "Behind the scenes" as per my other recent changes on pages,
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:Ezio Auditore da Firenze is a character who first appeared in the live-action short film ''[[Assassin's Creed: Lineage]]'', where he was played by Devon Bostick. ''Lineage'' acted as a prequel to ''[[Assassin's Creed II]]'', the next title in the video game chronology, wherein Ezio's voice was provided by [[Roger Craig Smith]]. In the Nintendo DS spin-off title ''[[Assassin's Creed II: Discovery]]'', Ezio's voice is provided by [[Kid Beyond]]. In the following entries, Ezio's voice was again provided by Roger Craig Smith. Smith however, was not asked by Ubisoft to reprise the role for ''[[Assassin's Creed Chronicles: China]]'', with Ezio's voice actor being replaced by Giovanni Noto. Smith later returned in a fan-made video dubbing over his ''Chronicles: China'' replacement.
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Codex pages ?

Ok here is the thing I just did the part where he talks to the uncle and says the leonardo da vinci or whatever can translate the pages went up and updated the map and I see where all the codex pages are it let me pick up one but it will not let me do the rest why? am I missing something

Be more specific. What do you mean "will not let me do the rest"? And SIGN YOUR POSTS. -- Master Sima Yi 15:51, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
I may be wrong, but given a guess - due to the lack of information of your problem - I'd say that the scene you mean is in Mario's study. The Codex pages that are already on the wall you will not be able to take down. Mario already explained to Ezio that Giovanni managed to translate some. Now Leonardo has to do it as Giovanni is dead. The other Codex pages you collect are scattered throughout the cities and are marked on your map. All you need to do is run over the top of them to pick them up (or loot for some if I remember correct) . I hope that helps answer your question. Subject AMDR 16:31, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

In the picture where hes using the cannon he has the syrain sword when in game he has the common swordWillaca 07:12, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Article Rename

Should we rename this article to simply "Ezio Auditore"? The "da Firenze" part would stay at the introduction of the article as this is Ezio's full name, but all of the Auditores in the in-game databases are listed without the "da Firenze" attached at the end. Leonardo da Vinci's article would stay the way it is, because Leonardo had no surname. — M.C.Tales 18:43, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Whilst you do have a valid point, the extreme majority of readers coming to this site will be expecting to see "da Firenze" as part of the article title. It also allows us to differentiate the Florentine Auditore from their family in Monteriggioni (namely Mario and Domenico); as such I think it best if we leave the article name as is. On a related note, Giovanni at one point tells Ezio he is of the "Auditore da Firenze", once again differentiating between those in Florence, and those without. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:29, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Pictures

Is there a better version of this picture? ShenLong Kazama 15:37, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

I saw that there are a few others but not very big, so is there no bigger version of that picture or here. ShenLong Kazama 19:00, June 13, 2011 (UTC)

Age

are you 40 years of age in assassins creed 4

There is no Assassin's Creed IV, we haven't even seen Assassin's Creed III yet. Sign your posts. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:01, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
And Ezio was 48 in 1507, he is 58 in 1511, the years the Revelations begins. Assassino de Roma 20:10, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
Isn't he 52 in 1511 ? -- Friibbe 20:15, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
Rome fails. -- Master Sima Yi 20:19, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
Math fail. Although he definitely looks like he's aged like 15 years in the game. Look at his eyes! In the trailer and the cover art he looks fine, but in the game they did a poor job. I hope they touch up on his face before release. 66.75.122.44 02:48, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
I heard he was 45 when Revelations began, and somewhere around 50-53 at the endof the game in Seuqence 9.
Kenway 14:09, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
You couldn't be any farther from the truth. He was 47 by the time Brotherhood ended. The Leaping Eagle (talk) 14:14, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
How old was Ezio at the beginning of Brotherhood? MB543 (talk) 20:38, November 25, 2013 (UTC)MB543
Isn't that easy enough to figure out, given that he was born in June 1459, and Brotherhood begins at the end of 1499, beginning of 1500... making Ezio 40. Sadelyrate (siniath) 00:07, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

NOTICE: Article under revamp by Apprentice DarkFeather

Hey all. I've been tasked with revamping the article as part of my apprenticeship. If you have any ideas, post here. Thanks. -- DarkFeather There will be blood -- just make sure it's the right person's. 03:52, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Are you the one who's changed the article? Can you please take off some of the pictures please, it's getting ridiculously irritating reading the article and getting distracted by all the bloody images from the games. It seems a little redundant to have so many. Why not just put all the extra pictures in the gallery instead? Marael 01:48, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Bleeding Effect?

Isn't it possible that Ezio could've been suffering from a bleeding effect of some kind, that allowed him to see Altair at certain parts of his life? So that's why he could see Altair at the end of the cinematic trailer when he's about to be hanged? Nakedsnake53 21:13, July 17, 2011 (UTC)

No. He was seeing Altaïr due to his proximity to, and the affects of, the seals. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:38, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
But the seals were far away, like 1,341.6 km away in Constantinople. And Ezio also used the Eagle Vision so much that it evolved into Eagle Sense. Using the Eagle Vision too much would result in the Bleeding Effect, would it not? --Mustavi Sadi Aryan, 21:13, March 7, 2016 (UTC)

No Relation.

http://kotaku.com/5823431/what-i-thought-i-knew-about-assassins-creed-revelations-was-partially-wrong

Okay...so I guess that Altair and Ezio are not related by any means, apparently at one point down the road in Ezio's bloodline it joined with Altair's bloodline, and then down that road it spat out Desmond...

I could have sworn that Mario described Altair as Ezio's ancestor when he revealed Altair's armor in AC:2, not to mention the notes found in the Auditore family crypt saying that they were really immigrants kind of implied the relation, apparently there is none... guess I was wrong.Harleyzone 01:51, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I think this is not a valid source... until Ubisoft claims thats true!! Maki-san 01:08, July 23, 2011 (UTC)Maki-san

It has been comfirmed, by ubisoft at the Comic-Con. There was an Q&A event.

http://comic-con.gamespot.com/video/6325033/comic-con-2011-panel-assassins-creed-the-creation-of-a-universe?tag=updates%3Beditor%3Ball%3Btitle%3B5 MasterHank 00:35, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Who says Ezio died in 1524? Makao 19:35, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

During the making of video for the Encyclopedia it showed the year he died. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 19:36, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

So, Ezio isn't Altaïr's descendant. It's seems funny to me, considering this discussion. Erik1310 17:41, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Not only was it confirmed in the Q&A event, but in AC II Lucy clearly states that the templars were using Desmond's ancestors (Altair & Ezio) for their own ends.

New lead quote

Hey,I was just looking at ezio's quote at he top of the page, and i thought it could be better, I was thinking about what he said towards the end of the extended E3 cinematic trailer in his letter to claudia, "my story is the one of many thousands, the world will not suffer if it ends too soon",tell me what you thinkRomanEagle 21:58, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

That's a crap quote. Why would our lead quote, one that is suppose to encapsulate the life our the article's subject in a single sentence, simply mention what might happen if he died? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 00:27, September 29, 2011 (UTC)


I know this is in the wrong section BUT. Can someone please edit the article where its talking about how in Revelations that ezio escapes from the Bald guy than straight away chases him in a chariot and kills him as this information is incorrect and is obvious for a few reasons.
- Ezio in the gameplay video has the hookblade which he accquires in Constantinople, aka after escaping from the bald guy
- Ezio is able to craft bombs which he learns in Constantinople not by himself
- MOST IMPORTANTLY there is no refernence in what has been written and a voice over gameplay video describes how Ezio is after the FINAL seal which is in the hands of the Bald guy NOT the first seal!
Thanks 121.218.77.96 23:59, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

You are in the wrong section! More importantly the article you are refering to is the Search for the Seals article and it is written in such a away as to be ambiguous until further information is revealed. Also some of you points are unconfirmed too and are solely based on interviews and AC community references and neither you nor the article can have any truly confirmed information until the events are shown in game. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 01:14, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

deeper connection?

I know that its been stated that Ezio and Altair aren't related to each other as was once believed. But I can't help but notice certain similarities between the two. I know the out of game explination about why they look a like is because they were modeled after the same person. But I'm wondering if the in game explination will show some sort of connection between the two other than the fact they both became leaders of the Assassin Order and both are ancestors to Desmond. Plus they have the exact same facial scar.


Well, they are related through Desmond, so it's not strange.PingoEagle 16:22, October 26, 2011 (UTC)




They are related through the Auditore family line. They're not related Genetically, but the oldest member of the Auditore family was trained in the ways of the assassins by Marco Polo, who was trained by one of Altair's Descendants.173.80.146.251 04:54, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Scars are in no way genetic. It's just a massive coincidence that Altair, Ezio and Desmond all obtained identical scars on their mouths at one point in their lives. - 121.217.40.74 12:53, March 10, 2012 (UTC):


Of course they are related Genetically. That's the whole point of the animus thing. Desmond can see the lives of his ancestors.  90.46.247.245 13:15, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Tabbed infobox picture

Would anyone have objections if I set up tabs for the infobox picture, for his differing attire across all 3 games. I would try and keep Revelations as the default, and perhaps order them in reverse chronological order. 86.16.215.94 18:12, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Assassin's creed quotes

What does the quote Nothing is true, everything is permitted. mean to you guys? :) Theshaq 13:44, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

To me, Nothing is true, means not to believe everything at base value. Everything is permitted, to me, means to seek to understand everything by your own means, not in the way you're TOLD to think.
Nothing is true, everything is permitted. 173.80.146.251 04:49, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
Ezio actually explains it to Sofia in Revelations. He states that, "it is an observation of the nature of reality. To say, 'nothing is true', is to realize that the foundations of society are fragile, and that we must be the shepherds of our own civilization. To say, 'everything is permitted', is to understand that we are the architects of our actions, and that we must live with their consequences, whether glorious or tragic." So you can either take his answer or go with another explanation. Auditore7 17:11, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

He died quite youngly?

As for a man with extraordinary physical skills, he was super-fit and I wonder why he lived to only 65 years. I know that life standards in medieval were worse than now, but even Altair lived for 92 years, which is an excellent age as of his time. What do you think? Xeoxer 22:38, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Altair lived to the age of ninety-two because he had too, in order for the events of The Secret Crusade to make sense. Ezio on the other hand, lives to an age much more in-line with reality. -Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 04:29, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
Altair lived for so long because ha had the apple, which probably gave him a longer life span that was normal, Ezio was really weak by the time he was 65, and he was weakened even more by the fight in his villa. And the lifespan around then was about there. RomanEagle 22:47, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
A guy saw a templar cross on the young man's wrist (the one who talked to Ezio in his final moments).
http://download.gameblog.fr/images/blogs/30153/113396_med.jpg
I don't have the movie, but could someone watche it again and tell us if he sees this ? 
90.46.247.245 12:10, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
It's difficult to say. The hand is blured by the movement, but there is something like that. - Klisurovi4 (talk) 20:22, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Legacy Translation Problem

Hey, in the section called Legacy, It says 'mio caro' onstead of 'mio cara'

While this IS what the subtitles say, it's NOT what the script said, let alone the fact that Sofia is NOT a man. >_< Also, there is a grammatical issue as well in the second to last sentence. I reccommend changing the section to:


"When I was a young man, I had liberty, but I did not see it. I had time, but I did not know it. And I had love, but I did not feel it. Many decades would pass before I understood the meaning of all three. And now, the twilight of my life, misunderstanding has past into contentment.
Love, liberty, and time: once was so disposable, are the fuels that drive me forward. And love, most especially, mio cara. For you, our children, our brothers and sisters, and for the vast and wonderful world that gave us life, and keeps us guessing. Endless affection, mio Sofia.

Forever yours,
Ezio Auditore."

DannyDeLaSoul 03:06, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Heart attack?

been a bit of an online debate about this with no clear winner as yet so putting htis here to find some solid facts . this all relates to the young arrogant man with a joker like scar grabbing Ezio's hand before his death. other than watching embers is there any confirmation as to how Ezio died as the movie can lead one to believe he was either poisened by the young man or died of a heart attack. the young man is very much fitting with other templar attacks and matches the look and style of a in game stalker perfectly. as well as his Roma refrence a good subtle insult as to one of the great templar loses.203.219.85.18 09:38, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

  1. Or maybe he was a methaphorical personification of death that only Ezio could see. 94.253.132.196 06:31, December 8, 2011 (UTC)

I choose to believe (with no evidence I might add) that the young, cocky, scarred fellow was an Assassin sent to follow and protect Ezio in Florence (as opposed to his remote villa). And that last smile and advice 'Have courage' was a mark of respect from a young Assassin to an old master. Mercenari 01:12, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

Birthday, Julian or Gregorian?

I was recently wondering whether Ezio's dates of birth and death were using the Julian or Gregorian calendar. If his birthday, 24 June, is Julian, then he was actually born on 3 July (Gregorian). What opinions do you have? 174.117.168.64 00:14, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Profile Picture

Why is Ezios brotherhood picture up instead of the newest one? RomanEagle 22:48, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Well, our administrator Sima here explains it best by saying, and I quote: "There are three versions of Ezio, and the latest is not necessarily the best. The Encyclopedia handles his Brotherhood appearance, and Brotherhood was the middle game... middle being the most subjective." Nostalgia AC Let's talk. 22:50, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

In the later section of Ezios life story, theres this article:

Sources??

The page staes that late in Ezios life, I think during the time of AC:Embers, all of this happened, but none of it was in Embers, so where are the sources for this event and how do we know it happened. I will say, I have played Revelations, watched Embers, and read the Revelations book. I remember late in the book it mentioned Leonardo dying and Ezio and Machiavelli going to visit him on his deathbed and the king saying he was there, beside Leonardo. And as they were leaving Ezio makes a comment about how "Kings will do anything for publicity" So try reading the book.Ezio Auditore 03:03, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

By 1519, Ezio had suffered a chest infection and as a result devolped a serious cough, he also, had begun to write his memoir.

A visit from Machiavelli revealed grim news to Ezio, his friend Leonardo was dying. The pair traveled to Amboise, France to the manor Clos Luce, where Leonardo was staying.

Ezio learned that his friend wished to travel outside of the manor to places like England or even back to Venice where he hoped to sell his submarine idea, seeing as he was disappointed with his patron's last creation, that being of a giant mechanical lion.

The pair stayed in France for another week, and was with Leonardo until his death. Upon their departure, rumors began to spread that King Francis was with Leonardo until he died, Ezio was disgusted by this rumor and believed that anyone, even a king would do anything for publicity.

Revelations novel --Nesty Contact me! 20:28, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

New Pic

Could we have a new pic like maybe this one.Ghost Master Assassin 09:45, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

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This one

I prefer the current one, plus I saw somewhere that the current pic is the most known/most recognizable. Master Decoder 09:48, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ancestry

I have a question and there's a big debate about it between two friends and I.

We all have different opinions as an answer but neither of us are sure, so here's the question:

Is there any relation between Altair and Ezio? Is Altair an ancestor of Ezio's by blood, or did Ezio mean assassin-wise?

I know on the back of the Revelations signature edition (if not all edition) case, he refers to Altair as "my ancestor" but that could be any kind of "ancestor"...

If you possibly can, please try to give me answer or some kind of lead to an answer.

~~SoUmad?BN 15:13, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

The back of the Revelations box is wrong. Altaïr and Ezio share no relationship by blood. -- Master Sima Yi 15:15, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Well, if they don't share any relationship at all it wouldn't make sense that desmond is watching their genetic memories in the animus, i tought an ubisoft guy had cleared out that they are related, but they are from different "branches" (mom, dad, blah) of Altair's family, even after this, i still believe that ezio is a direct descendant, why? because ubisoft is just messy with most things in their stories (i.e Hidden blade mechanism) and it's more epic that way. 201.167.63.240 12:36, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
It's possible that this is a move by Ubisoft to make Desmond more skilled, having the blood of Ezio and Altair flowing through his veins from different sides of his family tree, rather than Altair's blood being diluted. 95.150.134.63 15:15, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Ezio and Altair aren't related at all. Desmond is the point at which these bloodlines merge together. Just figured I'd clear that up. Slate Vesper 15:18, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Apple of Eden

Hey ...I was just curious and this might just be my lack of observation....But anyway i cannot appear to solve it....In "Assasin's creed : II " and "Assasin's Creed : Brotherhood" Ezio appears to have found the "Apple of Eden"...But later in "Revelations" it is shown that the ancestor Altair sealed the Apple along with himself in Masyaf until Ezio came and opened it for himself using the Masyaf Keys...If Altair already possesed the Apple then how did Ezio find them in the first place....Or was it Ezio that brought the Apple to the Chamber of Altair in the last sequence of "Revelations"....But Ezio refused to touch the apple (because of the previous experience he had with the apple ) implying that he didn't bring the Apple..So what is the reason ...Are there more than one Apple of Eden...Please reply the curiosity is killing me.....117.199.1.20 18:06, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

*facepalm* Yes, there is more than one Apple of Eden... could you not have found that out yourself by looking on the wiki? We have no problem answering questions, as long as the answer isn't already obviously on the wiki. The known Apples of Eden are the First Apple, Second Apple, Third Apple, Fourth Apple, Fifth Apple and Ezio's Apple. Altaïr had the Second Apple while Ezio had an unnamed Apple... -- Master Sima Yi 18:11, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Request for Spelling

To anyone who can edit a protected page: please correct a typo in the section 'Romantic life', last paragraph, where it says 'Maysaf' instead of 'Masyaf'. Cheers, --93.175.6.235 23:33, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Cristina Memories

Shouldn't all of the Cristina memories be in his biography, rather than just the third and fifth?95.150.134.63 15:09, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Date of Birth

Where is Ezio's date of birth stated?95.150.134.63 15:17, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Well it's easy. If Ezio was 17 in 1476 then 1476-17= 1469. About the day and month, i think they are written in the Offiacial Encyclopedia. Electra Mak. 19:22, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

The source given (right next to the information in question) is Assassin's Creed II, so I suspect it is from the database entry. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:00, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
Ezio was born in 1459, if he was born in 1469, in 1476 he would have been 7 years old, plus when you subtract
1476-17 it equals to 1459 not 1469, also it says when he was born right here in on the wiki tipe in his name in the search bar and you will see.Assassin75ibn 20:23, April 19, 2012 (UTC)Assassin75ibn
I meant the June 24th thing. The Leaping Eagle 20:59, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
June 24th is Midsummer's Day. Once again, it's mentioned in the database (for Brotherhoos, I believe). --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 07:44, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
I'm quite sure it was the Renaissance novel, and his complete birthdate was also shown in the promo trailer for Revelations. -- Master Sima Yi 08:31, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
No, I finished reading Renaissance and his date of birth isn't mentioned. The Leaping Eagle 18:53, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
No, it didn't, but I was quite sure it mentioned that Ezio is born on Midsummer's Day. -- Master Sima Yi 19:35, April 27, 2012 (UTC)
"Ezio could not believe it was Midsummer's Day, in the Year of Christ 1487. His twenty-eighth birthday." (src: Assassin's Creed: Renaissance - Chapter 21) --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 03:12, April 28, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it doesn't say his date of birth directly but as Midsummer's Day, not perfect, but it's good enough for me. The Leaping Eagle 10:46, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

No relation to Clay

I just felt like clearing this up. Me and Steen spoke with Jeffrey Yohalem about this after the podcast, so it's not actually included in the podcast and thus I have no proof that we actually did ask this but obviously I wouldn't lie about this. Jeffrey said that Clay has no relation to Ezio at all. As you can see in The Lost Archive, they found out about the name Ezio Auditore from Clay's memories but he did not actually relive them. That is why it says "match" when Desmond enters the Animus in the beginning of Assassin's Creed II, Desmond's DNA gives a match between what is found in Clay's memories. As for the glyphs and clusters, those are placed in Italy from the Animus interface, they aren't overwritten to Ezio's own memories; that's not possible. It's never directly stated that Clay is Ezio's descendant, not even in the Encyclopedia. -- Master Sima Yi 10:19, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Clay's database? The Leaping Eagle 10:47, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't say so explicitly either. -- Master Sima Yi 10:55, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
"...Because somewhere back along our extensive family chain, we both have Ezio to thank for the gift of life. Both of us are related to him. And both of us had nice little jaunts through his memories, although I had access to far fewer memories than you did." (src: Assassin's Creed: Revelations - Clay database file). They're related. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:48, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I just looked it up too on this very same moment. I'll see if I can ask Darby and/or Jeffrey about this. -- Master Sima Yi 12:51, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
You're right about the glyphs though, partially. The rifts in Brotherhood were said to "correspond" with locations in Renaissance Rome; whilst the glyphs in ACII were said to actually be in the memories, I believe. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:57, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
I'd also like to put in that The Lost Archive doesn't treat Clay as a descendant of Ezio at all. I'm thinking it may have been a communicative issue. Though I just sent a message Darby's way, hopefully he can give a bit of clarification! -- Master Sima Yi 13:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
I don't dispute that, though I would point out that the focus of TLA is on Clay himself, and the story of his life and death. Very little face-time is given to any of his ancestors, beyond the bleeding effect room. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:11, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
I was more talking about that Clay relives the memories of an Italian ancestor from whom the name "Ezio Auditore" is heard, and that Vidic then orders someone to find out what they can about him. If Clay was a descendant of Ezio I think that was a bit redundant, but I will wait to hear a response and keep you posted here. -- Master Sima Yi 13:14, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Doesn't Lucy state in Assassin's Creed II that Vidic flagged Clay's sessions with Ezio?The Leaping Eagle 15:01, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
She says that Vidic became obsessed with the Vault (when talking about 16's sessions in the Animus), but never explicitly mentions Ezio. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:15, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Just heard back from Darby and he says Jeffrey is just wrong, and a bit stubborn. So yes, Clay is related to Ezio! Sorry for all the fuss. -- Master Sima Yi 15:50, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
Glad this is over now. I would never believe they weren't related anyway.The Leaping Eagle 15:54, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Aha, stubborness is something we can all relate too. I was getting worried they had gone the LucasArt way and started changes the continuity just for the hell of it. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:03, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

FINALLY!!!! the proof i was looking for!!!!!! Thanks Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record and Master Sima Yi for the clear up. i never doubted that clay was a decendent of ezio. it just added up and made sense. this was a very progressive and good debate. and Master Sima Yi i have so many question for you to ask Darby and Jeffrey. (Arabian411269 20:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC))

Well, I'm not planning on overloading them with questions. XD -- Master Sima Yi 20:19, April 30, 2012 (UTC)
aw man! well i'll post three in the next days. let the wiki choose which one to ask. (Arabian411269 20:33, April 30, 2012 (UTC))
If you want to ask them questions, I'm afraid you'll have to do that by yourself. I don't want to bother them with questions in their free time. It's more like I have... personal contact with Darby I think, not necessarily as a representative of the wiki. -- Master Sima Yi 20:38, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox image

I just wanted to ask, is there a reason why Ezio's picture is of him in his Roman robes from Brotherhood? Is it because it's recognizable or just by popular opinion?

I'd like to see him in Giovanni's robes, because that's how he started out, but I don't know, I was just curious. AssassinOfAus 12:14, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Staff said a while ago we're using the most recognizable appearance for each major character. This is also why Al doesn't have his old, Mentor self as an infobox image, but his well-known AC1 robes.--Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 12:28, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
That, and there are three real game appearances to choose from, so using the middle one would be the most neutral. His Brotherhood appearance is also his main picture used in the Encyclopedia. -- Master Sima Yi 12:43, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Forehead Scar

In Revelations I noticed that Ezio has a second scar on the side of his forehead. How did he get it? Should it be added to the trivia? I hope I will get at least one of these questions answered. The Leaping Eagle 21:23, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

This second scar was mentioned in the Assassins Creed:Rennesainse Novel.

{{SUBST:User:Jim Logan/Sig}} 23:19, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Well, it isn't present in AC2 or ACB. The Leaping Eagle 15:34, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

Well it was most likely hidden under his hair and eventual hood.

{{SUBST:User:Jim Logan/Sig}} 22:52, June 29, 2012 (UTC)

Noting that Ezio had a scar on his forehead is as trivial as putting "Ezio had a ponytail."

The only real reason why the lip scar was considered trivia-worthy before was because it seemed like a running feature, though that was disproven with Connor. Slate Vesper 00:06, June 30, 2012 (UTC)

I understand, but I disagree with the comparison to "Ezio had a ponytail". How did he get the scar? The Leaping Eagle 18:10, July 2, 2012 (UTC)

One of the rocks that was thrown had him hit him in the head(Also how he got his lip scar), it is barley visable in the game though.

{{SUBST:User:Jim Logan/Sig}} 21:31, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Picture

Can I change Ezio's picture to the version of Ezio from ACII please or not? Awesomekid120 (talk) 21:42, December 7, 2012 (UTC)Awesomekid120

No. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 13:49, December 16, 2012 (UTC)

Right Handed

Is it really necessary to note that he's right handed? He uses his weapons with his right hand, and I think if he was left handed he would wear his Hidden Blade on his right wrist, instead of his left. The Leaping Eagle 15:13, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, this post is old. Just goes to show that no one really cares about you once you're gone =p But yeah, it's mentioned he is right-handed in Assassin's Creed: Renaissance. ~ GI Auditore Comms Channel 16:45, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

I know, I've read it twice. I don't find it noteworthy, however. Crimson Knight Intercom 16:46, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Murdered?

I know this has been discussed before, but could it be added to the article under the name of "Murder conspiracy" that the young man could of killed him? If you search Ezio's death on YouTube you can see things that points to this:

1: The man grabs Ezio's hand roughly as to keep him still.

2: The man touches Ezio's shoulder and there's a weird sound like a blade hitting him, possibly poison?

3: Once he lets go of Ezio's shoulder, Ezio touches his shoulder and gives an expression of pain.

4: This is the most evident one; once the man walks away from Ezio, you can see the Templar Cross on his wrist for a split-second. Here's a link to it in one frame: watch the entire video, it's hard to see at first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzCpLZFbj6I

66.131.163.32 20:16, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

No, because conspiracy means speculation, and that is not allowed on main-space articles. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 20:18, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

So there's nowhere this could be added? 66.131.163.32 20:21, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Lothario?

Does anyone remember when Piri Reis thought Ezio's real name was Lothario? Well, I did a small amount of research (funny how quickly your goals change on the internet), and I found something interesting. Apparently, a lothario is "A man whose chief interest is seducing, usually women", which seems to match Ezio's personality; is this worthy of being in the trivia, or something? Did Ubi actually intend this when they wrote that? --Crimson Knight Intercom 23:55, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am fairly sure that was Darby's intention when he wrote the script. He put in quite a few interesting bits in it. I'd say it's worthy of being trivia. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 23:57, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
Bit of an anachronism, then, given it was first used in that sense in the 18th century... but then, how many Italians spoke English in Constantinople in the 16th century? ;) Sadelyrate (talk) 08:34, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
Since the Animus translated most of the language, not many. --Crimson Knight Intercom 15:17, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Main image

this picture should be changed to the previous picture or to his robe from revelations, it just looks better. unsigned comment by Mike2400 (talk · contr)

No, we're being neutral by using the robes he wore in the second of his three games, which is also his Encyclopedia image. Personally, those are Ezio's most iconic robes, not his father's, or that pilgrimage cardigan. --Alientraveller (talk) 11:01, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
Besides, previous image was of much lower resolution, and the only notable difference was the positioning of crossed arms. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:12, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Image change proposal

Hello; I've found a render of Ezio from AC Reveletions. I'm proposing a change of the image and say we put it into a vote like we did for Alty's image.unsigned comment by Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk · contr)

Please sign your posts. That said, I'm personally in favour of changing the image, but others here feel that the Brotherhood image is best, so it's them you'll have to convince. (I should point out that we're not obliged to use the 'latest' available image of a person, rather the best.) --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:34, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, no. That render is significantly lower-res than the current one, has the Levantine insignia on the front and white bits on the arms and legs. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 09:04, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
So long as it can comfortably fit into the default 250px, image-resolution doesn't matter. Also, the fact that the armour has the levantine symbol on it is relevant, how? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:27, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
He is referring to the fact that it does not appear in the final game, but neither do Ezio's identical bracers. I am not in favor of a render of Ezio in ACR, both because that's an outfit he wore for just two years and Ezio is labelled by Ubisoft as being in his 'prime' in ACB. I would also be fine with an image of AC2 since that's an outfit he wore for a long time, but ACR just feels wrong to me. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 11:38, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Personally, I prefer the ACR render (mainly due to his pose, however), but I can understand you reasoning. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:58, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
I don't really want an ACR render, not this one again, anyway. I'm not really fond of the one we have now either, to be honest. I would prefer the previous ACB one we had, or the "anniversary render". I would be happy with an AC2 one as well, since that was his introduction and spanned the longest time. On a final note: Skywalker, it would probably would have been best if you had just set up a vote and gave various images we could switch to. Also, you should link to the right page. --Crimson Knight Intercom 12:32, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
I have just noticed, Skywalker, that you have hotlinked that particular image. Although this is not against website policy, per se, it's not exactly good practice. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:35, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Hey JD, Sorry, but I just voted positively to your forum. Anyway, I'll just give it a shot and put up a vote for the image change. One final note: I didn't receive any emails about the discussion here. Sorry for the slow reply. I just heard my name in JD's forum and came here. Alty Death Star 11:59, July 26, 2013 (UTC)

Le Vote

So, as per Red Altaïr's suggestion, I'm putting up a vote for changing the main image of Ezio. This poll will be up for a week. Following are the renders I propose:

===Le Vote===

Current render

  1. For the record, this one has the highest resolution. --Alientraveller (talk) 15:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  2. It shows him in his prime, making it an excellent header. Plus, it's brighter and more "there" than the Anniversary render. Dragonzzilla (talk) 15:44, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  3. The anniversary one is cool-looking, but I prefer this one for it's high-resolution. Maybe, just maybe, we could start thinking about the tabbed infoboxes the anon mentioned up above almost two years ago. Stormbeast The Helpful Place 17:26, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  4. Don't see anything wrong with this one. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 17:40, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  5. I worked my ass off to render that image in this absurd-res size, and won't accept an inferior substitute. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 23:29, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  6. This one is simple, has a high resolution, and isn't as covered by shadow. Slate Vesper (talk) 03:17, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  7. ... Nesty Contact me! 06:54, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  8. Highest quality earns my vote. ~ GI Auditore Comms Channel 11:27, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Anniversary render

  1. This one. And please stop calling me Red Altaïr. It's Crimson Eagle. --Crimson Knight Intercom 15:23, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Yay for this one? I prefer it slightly over the left one (and Revelations is past his prime, so...) Crookandcharlatan (talk) 15:26, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 15:41, August 1, 2013 (UTC)

Revelations render

  1. I'm not hopeful, but I actually prefer this one. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 15:55, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  2. Truth be told, I prefer this. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 13:53, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

  1. I've found this on the interwebs. If we had this image in a resolution similar to the anniversary one, that is around 3000x2000 pixels, we could render the characters properly this time, and use these for infoboxes. Otherwise, we have no good replacements right now. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 23:29, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
  2. I think that sounds like a good idea. A bit of work, though. --Crimson Knight Intercom 11:21, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
  3. Unfortunately, reverse-searching showed that that image is the highest res available at the moment (1920x1200px), so the renders will be lower quality than we'd prefer. ~ GI Auditore Comms Channel 11:27, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

New Vote

Given that Gabe has given us updated renders, I call for a second vote. The choices remain as before, just make sure to check the images again.

Current render

  1. --Alientraveller (talk) 09:53, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Anniversary render

  1. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 13:50, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
  2. --Crimson Knight Intercom 13:54, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
  3. --~ GI Auditore Comms Channel 13:58, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
  4. --Slate Vesper (talk) 04:28, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
  5. --Stormbeast The Helpful Place 04:31, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
  6. -- AgentG231 The Action Center 06:37, October 16, 2013 (UTC)
  7. Can we go with the Initiates render? Well guess both o' them are almost same XP I vote for an Aye! Xangr8 (talk) 21:38, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
  8. --Fragment -Animus- 22:08, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Revelations render

  1. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:21, October 16, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

  • Should have a vote about the new Edward Kenway render to, it looks better than the one we currently have.--ACsenior (talk) 08:42, October 20, 2013 (UTC)
  • Weekly voting period's overr, the updated Anniversary/Initiates render is going up. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:31, October 23, 2013 (UTC)

Factual correction

I just want to correct whoever wrote the Ezio page that the hanging happened when he was 19.

What's your source on that? :s Ezio's born in 1459 and his father and brothers are executed in 1476. Basic math says he'd be 17, not 19. Also, please remember to sign your posts. If you wish to edit locked pages, you need to make a wiki account. Crook The Constantine District 12:02, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

New Picture

Do all of yous think that it is about time for a new picture for this pages?

Not particularly, the one we're using was voted on by the community. Did you have a picture in mind then? Also, please sign your posts. Crook The Constantine District 19:43, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind a high-res AC2 render. It's how he looked for the longest period of time, and how we were introduced to him. However, I won't press this, since I don't really want to cause a disturbance. --Crimson Knight Intercom 19:52, December 9, 2014 (UTC)
No. But show me this image you're proposing, anyway. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 19:53, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

How many games Ezio is in

Actually,I think Ezio should only be in Brotherhood and 2.I think Altaïr would manage on his own in Revalations.176.249.221.115 12:07, August 11, 2015 (UTC) what do you guys think?

I think that considering the fact that Revelations is a story about Ezio, not having him in it would be a bit odd... I also think it's pointless to discuss it here, since this is not the OFs. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:11, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

 Training of Shao

There is a picture of the shao's training of AC:China? Spanish assassin (Talk) 12:52, October 10, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, two questions; Do you have any images of CC: Chinese: Ezio training with Shao Jun?It should also be included in the biography when he worked with "Lo Saparviero"Spanish assassin (Talk) 09:50, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Update tag not necessary

Is the Update tag concerning Assassin's Creed: Identity necessary? He doesn't appear at all in the game as far as I know. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 18:51, January 24, 2017 (UTC)

Reflections as ambiguous canon?

Should the events of reflections be ambig canon as that simulation is only 78% accurate do to not being derived from actual genetic memory but extrapolated instead? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 15:26, December 11, 2019 (UTC)

As I haven't read the comics, only the plot summary here, is there some other reason to treat it as ambiguous (I assume simulation 78% accurate is stated in the comics themselves)? What's in the summary might as well be canon in regards to Gherardini, and we've known since the Revelations-novel that Ezio was there, with Leonardo, when the latter died. Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:44, December 11, 2019 (UTC)
I don't remember the exact specifics but Abstergo doesn't have actual access to memories covering that time frame since Ezio's children were already born. Something about "historical data in addition to genetic data [to] cross-reference algorithms and extrapolate events beyond the limits of transference." Maybe we should look into making a new template for events with accuracy levels under a certain threshold. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 18:14, December 11, 2019 (UTC)

Ezio meeting O'Callahan (event from Far from the Tree) in the chronology?

I have a question about the chronology of events during the search of the Apple between 1488 and 1494. What we are sure is that Ezio lost the Apple in 1488, tried to search who has the Apple, and returned in Florence in 1494 in the novel Renaissance. But we know in discovery and Rebellion that he was in Spain between 1491 and 1492 to help the Spanish Brotherhood and asked help from them during the event of War in Shadows which happened in Florence in 1493. I find this pretty strange that Ezio waited 6 years to reach Florence for recovering the Apple. For me, two pieces of information can help to set a more believable chronology of the events. In the database, the Brother Darby O'Callahan, the monk who helped Ezio in the memory Far from the tree, moved in Romagna countryside in 1494. Historically, Savonarola returned to Florence in 1490 after preaching for many years in the Emilia-Romagna. So, chronologically, Ezio lost the Apple in 1488, woke up in Forli, received the advice from Caterina to search the monk with the missing finger through Romagna. Between 1488 and 1491, Ezio traveled through the region while also helping the Brotherhood~but didn't find any clue about the monk. Between 1491 and 1492, he went to Spain and returned c.1493 in Florence to stop the Templars plot. The memory Far from the tree then began in 1494, with O'Callahan settling in Romagna countryside and giving information to Ezio which permitted him to return in Florence in 1494, and so connecting with the events of Renaissance. I think it is the most logical set of events we could get respecting the canonical and historical information. If you have other ideas or corrections about my chronology, say it.Francesco75 (talk) 14:37, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Ezio seems to be in Spain by early 1489 and back in Florence spring 1493 according to Rebellion. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 18:23, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
So Discovery is no more canon, as the game also stated that Torquemada wasn't a Templar? So the chronology will be: 1488-1489 Ezio searched the Apple, recruited Girolamo da Lucca, became friend with Lucas Bellini. 1489-1493: Journey through Spain with the team of Assassins. 1493: Went back to Florence. 1494: Met O'Callahan and the event of Renaissance.Francesco75 (talk) 21:40, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
Our approach is still to treat Discovery as canon due to the conflicting statements given to us by Ubisoft about it rendering them not too reliable.
Lacrosse, you've given us the date 1487 before for the start of Rebellion, and I saw that you are following up with another user about that, and now you're saying 1489. I think just throwing out dates like that (when it seems like we aren't even sure about the definite date ranges in Rebellion) can be confusing for other users, and we should be more careful.
Francesco, the fact that Ezio spent so many years not searching for the Apple was always strange, even back when it was only Assassin's Creed II we had to deal with. Your suggestion that Far From the Tree could be set just before he went to Florence to hunt Savonarola is a good one, but then we must also ask why he didn't search that abbey right after he was directed to it by Caterina. Also, our memory pages currently given the first memory of Bonfire of the Vanities as taking place in 1497, but you said that Renaissance says he returned to Florence in 1494? Does that just mean that he was living in Florence from 1494 until the events of the Bonfire of the Vanities in 1497? Or does that suggest instead that the Bonfire of the Vanities memories take place across 1494 to 1497? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 22:13, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
In Renaissance, Ezio went a first time in Florence in 1494 and found Girolamo cousin who said that Girolamo was in Venice. Later Ezio saved Piero de Medici in Venice and returned in Florence at the beginning of the Bonfire in 1497. Why Ezio didn't go to the abbey the first? Maybe he went but didn't find anything. The Animus made a time lapse.Francesco75 (talk) 22:25, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
Oh, that is important information indeed. I wish I had the novel then to better sort this out, but I will incorporate that into the article, thanks. Also Lacrosse, I just read the conversation on Discord where the user El Fantasma de Cosmos points out that the third story mission has a document dated to 1489. I hadn't checked Discord yet before I responded to this discussion. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 22:40, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
Our article on Marcello Savonarola, Girolamo's cousin, says that he was met by Ezio in 1492. Which is the correct date of their encounter, 1492 or 1494? Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 23:13, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
Is discovery supposed to be from an Animus session? If it is there's the possibility that the session didn’t have high quality data and that some of it wasn’t extrapolated from secondary sources causing the Animus to display incorrect data. Alternatively the same could be said for Rebellion which we already know is heavily modified by Abstergo to be an entertainment product. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 23:22, April 13, 2020 (UTC)
On a more topical note, looking at the novel Ezio meet Marcello in Ch 24. In the beginning of Ch 25 he is in venice and learns Rodrigo just became the Pope place that in 1492. At the end of the chapter he rescues Piero placing that at 1494. There is a bit of a time skip in the chapter but it didnt really seem like two years. This also seems to contradict A War in the Shadows from Rebellion (although it could be argued that Ezio didn’t go himself). Lacrossedeamon (talk) 23:49, April 13, 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Discovery's HUD indicates that it's in an Animus session, but this is the same with Altaïr's Chronicles and Bloodlines. While I understand that some players in those early years tried to find some way to reconcile this with mainstream lore, I have never bothered and just pretended that the detail that the three games are simulations within an Animus to be non-canon and that we are playing Altaïr and Ezio directly. It is a natural and understandable consequence of Ubisoft wanting to retain the aesthetic for their early spin-off games. With that being said, my dismissal of this detail isn't necessarily correct, but there's no explanation for it. Unlike Liberation and Rebellion, these early spin-off games are not Abstergo products but someone reliving the protagonists' actual memories via the Animus.

On a side-note, I think that the idea that the Animus may have been displaying incorrect data due to low quality DNA is too far into the realm of speculation. As I understand, it is a possibility presented by Odyssey's example, but I think we should be conservative about providing that as an explanation because it sets a dangerous precedent that pretty much every memory we have ever seen through the Animus is unreliable to the extent that completely false memories and events could be fabricated, fresh, by the device. Rebellion is definitely more likely to have tampered data since we actually know that it was modified by Abstergo as an entertainment product, as much as I hate this sort of explanation too, that might be the best we have for how Ezio recognizes Torquemada as a Templar in Rebellion but not in Discovery.

I have no idea what to do yet with the information that Ezio meeting Marcello Savonarola is actually in 1492. Maybe if I read the exact text, I would be able to think of something, but I can't get the book right now with the quarantine. You're right that we can just say that he only ordered the Assassins in "A War in the Shadows". I had already made sure to imply that that was the case in my writing for the section concerning that event, but if it is definite, then the article probably shouldn't be going into the detail I went into about it because he wasn't directly involved. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 00:21, April 14, 2020 (UTC)

Although I should point out that the novelizations of the games have always been treated as the lowest-tier of canon and in some details definitely non-canon—at least according to the old staff. Our policy hitherto had always been that information that it provides is canon as long as it doesn't seriously conflict with anything. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 00:25, April 14, 2020 (UTC)

I agree that it definitely is a stretch and has certain ramifications but I think it is an interesting alternative to think about compared to differing levels of canonicity, especially since Ubisoft itself has never published a tier list and is pretty bad at addressing questions about conflicts. However it would require some retroactive input from Ubisoft to fully implement. As it is I think Animus quality and accuracy plus extrapolated data only explicitly pertains to Odyssey, Reflections, and Last Descendants. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 01:33, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
I have Renaissance in French and they said that Ezio was in Venice in 1492 but met Piero who was historically exil in 1494 as you said. Many events didn't respect the chronology has the event in the vault which occurred in 1503 in the novel. I think we need to ask directly to Aymar Azaïzia to be sure about what is canon or not about the journey in Spain and if the novel is canon.Francesco75 (talk) 08:32, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
Do you also know if Florentine Fiasco, the first memory of Bonfire of the Vanities actually occurs in 1494 instead of 1497 according to the novel? The game clearly dates it to 1497, and the uprising against Savonarola leading to his death seems to happen in short order. However, if we go by the fact that he was redirected to Florence by Piero in 1494, then there's yet another awkward 3 year time skip before he finally returns to Florence to confront Savonarola... In the game, Machiavelli also notes that Savonarola only seized power a few weeks before Ezio's arrival even though it dates his arrival to 1497... Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 12:22, April 14, 2020 (UTC)
It is only stated that Savonarola took control in 1494. But they spoke about the bonfire of vanities which occurred for the most famous the 7th February 1497, but it's a regular event since 1495 to replace the Carnival. They also specified that they are rumors that Alexander VI wanted to excommunicate Savonarola which happened in mid-1497. In my headcanon, Ezio was occupied with the first Italian War (1494-1498) and the French invasion in Naples and only returned in Florence in 1497 but it's only in my mind.Francesco75 (talk) 13:18, April 14, 2020 (UTC)

BtS

As this page is locked, can the following be added to "Behind the scenes" as per my other recent changes on pages,

Ezio Auditore da Firenze is a character who first appeared in the live-action short film Assassin's Creed: Lineage, where he was played by Devon Bostick. Lineage acted as a prequel to Assassin's Creed II, the next title in the video game chronology, wherein Ezio's voice was provided by Roger Craig Smith. In the Nintendo DS spin-off title Assassin's Creed II: Discovery, Ezio's voice is provided by Kid Beyond. In the following entries, Ezio's voice was again provided by Roger Craig Smith. Smith however, was not asked by Ubisoft to reprise the role for Assassin's Creed Chronicles: China, with Ezio's voice actor being replaced by Giovanni Noto. Smith later returned in a fan-made video dubbing over his Chronicles: China replacement.

And removed Voice actor and Actor from infobox. the Trivia section also needs to be redone into a BtS. Cheers, V i l k a T h e W o l f (talk) 11:39, June 30, 2020 (UTC)