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Nothing about living Connor's memories?

Should something be added on stating that at some point Desmond relived Connor's memories using the Animus 3.0? CrackFoxJunior 16:16, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

It's not needed until more information on AC3 is announced, particularly Desmond gameplay. Slate Vesper 16:18, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox image

Copypaste, since the other got archived mid-discussion.

Since some of the character pages like Ezio or Altaïr had their images reverted from their latest look in games to the ones that they're most commonly associated with, should Desmond's image be changed back to his previous appearance image, without a beard and in the Brotherhood clothes? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 18:32, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Personally I would prefer the older image because the ACR one looks like Desmond saw a ghost. Do you think this should be put to a vote or is this too trivial topic to warrant such a thing. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 18:40, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

I'd put it on a vote, lest someone would rage about it. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 18:57, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

More then likely the image will be changed for the AC3 one so it would only be a short term thing anyways. -- KaloneousHelpDesk 19:10, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

The only reason Altaïr and Ezio got the appearances they are depicted as in the Encyclopedia is because their stories are finished, they won't get any more new appearances. Desmond will surely look like this in AC3 which is why we are using this render. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs Marvel Studios 19:16, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
The current image is fine. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:17, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
Current image's fine, until Ubisoft has a new one for ACIII.. --70px-SigN1v.png (30px-SigT1v.png35px-SigG1v.png) 02:17, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
Fair's fair. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 19:17, June 12, 2012 (UTC)

Name etymology

The trivia section says "Desmond" is a "Celtic" name meaning "the world"/"man of the world". I don't think this is true, especially because 'Celtic' isn't a language. My understanding is that it's originates from the Irish language surname Ó Deasmumhan (Oh Dasmoon) or similar meaning "from South of Munster". I don't want to remove it immediately because maybe I am incorrect here but does anybody have a source for "the world" that gives proper detail? Preferably one that isn't a baby-names site where they make up the etymology?

I believe there is an Old Irish word 'domun' (modern Irish and Scottish Gaelic 'domhan') which looks similar but that probably would have sounded like "dow-un" or "doon". I know it's a fairly minor point (although you might point out that both Desmond and Connor (that extra n is so American) are both Irish language names). 00:34, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

it is a Gaelic name meaning Man of the World. Where such meaning comes from can be determined by those who study linguistics but it is a commonly referred to meaning. KaloneousHelpDesk 14:24, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it is the commonly referred to meaning. Wikipedia and wiktionary for Desmond supports its meaning as referring to South Munster as does Behindthename and quite a few other sites. It seems like "Desmond" to mean "of the world" is a bogus pop etymology which tries to read it as French "des monde" which clearly makes no sense for an Irish name. The only places that give a supported etymology agree that it means South Munster - moreover its links to Thomond and Ormond meaning North Munster and East Munster respectively. I think there's way more of case here for "from south Munster" than "Man of the World" (which seems pretty bogus given the modern Irish equivalents, I don't think Irish vocabulary has changed that much since Middle Irish) 17:09, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
lol, looking at your ip address I can see we are not to far apart geographically so I understand the logic of what you are saying. I'm sorry I don't have the link for this but it was a Ubisoft developer working on the series that first explained his name in that way. They looked at it from a world view rather than the way we (correctly or not) look at it from its origins in Gaelic. KaloneousHelpDesk 17:31, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Well if that was their intended meaning then I suppose that's fair enough even if I think it might have been a mistake. 01:40, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
Des (of) Mond (world). Seems similar to french if you ask me. CRRPGMykael (talk) 16:13, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
I edited the article to include the correct etymology as well as the incorrect, personal, etymology as given by the Ubisoft developer. This is a suitable compromise as it doesn't make the false claim that the name means something it doesn't, while also including the intended meaning by the misinformed developer. Think everyone can be happy with that one, eh? Redleigh86 (talk) 06:50, December 11, 2012 (UTC)
Actually I think that the name Desmond was just a combination of two of the editors' last names: Patrice Désilets and Jade Raymond. Dés+mond=Désmond=Desmond. I think they looked up the whole 'The world' thing to say that there was a better reason behind the name besides just slamming two names together... unsigned comment by (talk · contr)
We don't count speculation as fact. Slate Vesper (talk) 16:20, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Desmond forgets some details

In Desmond's journey, we learn that Desmond knew Abstergo is a Templar's society. But in Assassin's Creed, Desmond was amazed when Lucy said he was a templar's hostage.Francesco75 (talk) 14:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Same thing as with the fact he tells her he didn't use his real name before, but when Abstergo agent addresses him by it in Desmond's Journey, he immediately confirms it. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 14:22, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Well, Desmond believed that his parents were conspiracy theorist concerning Abstergo and the Templar. It was one of the reason why he decided to run from the compound and make his own life. Note, that his parents did not explicitly state that Abstergo was a templar front - they kept most of the truth from him - which was another frustrating reason why he decided to run from the nutjobs.
Desmond: So this was it. The global conspiracy, Abstergo. Fingers in every pie. Governments. Corporations. Universities. Mom and dad made it sound so scary. But it didn't FEEL scary. An enemy has to have a face. But all I could see was a bottle of painkillers. Dinale (talk) 14:28, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it is possible that Desmond did not believe in the link between the two because he thought his parents were nuts, or he simply already forgot all about it by that point. As for his name, it's most likely a retcon, but if you want to look for a canonically correct explanation it would be that Desmond didn't use his name to sign anything or on any other official document that could be traced back to him, but did simply go by his own name among friends and other people. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 15:15, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Why can't it let me edit this page? I just finished ACIII and I have all the pictures for the ending sequence with Desmond. I really want to edit this because the game came out already and nothing has been edited yet! Stepm844 (talk) 02:51, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

And I bet all your pictures are of horrible console quality. Plus no spoilers are allowed yet. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 02:54, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

Something's wrong with the infobox

Desmond did not die, but the infobox on the page says he did. --Gauzz Rifle

You'll see...just play to the ending. Whackimus Prime

Knock Out?

Are You Sure He Died Did He Just Got Knocked Out? Its ?Ubisolf Planning On Another Assassin's Cree Game Just Like How They Did Assassin's Creed II A New Assassin or The End Desmond Did Kill The Templars And Vidic Maybe Others Are Still Out There i Wanna to See More Connor Kenway unsigned comment by ZombieLionel (talk · contr)

Yes, he died. Juno and Minerva pointed that out as well. Alex and others confirmed numerous times that Assassin's Creed III would be the end of Desmond's story. There will be more games, with a different protagonist. And yes, Desmond killed Vidic, Daniel and a lot of Abstergo agents. They are a lot more Templars out there, and as you could hear William say, their deaths would barely have made an impact on the Templar Order. The Assassins and Templars will never be gone; even if you kill them all, their ideologies will live on, and new members will arise. As for Connor (not Kenway), we may see more of him, with a different protagonist. It's already speculated that there's another person inside the Animus at the end, with that unknown man talking. Even though at the end Connor is pretty much crippled and can't do much anymore. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 20:46, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
How is Connor crippled? Do you mean physically or figuratively? If it's the ladder, then I understand. The Revolution is done and over with, and now the Americans can deal with their problems on their home soil, e.g, the Natives, the slaves, laws and policies....TranquilTempestQu'est-ce que c'est? 21:16, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
Yes, physically. In the final missions Connor has a lot of trouble walking because of his wound. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:17, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
They never actually said it would kill him.They tiptoed around that word.All we know about the "pedestal" is that when Desmond touched it It released Juno.Besides It wouldnt be the first time someone has died and come back as a program or something. 03:12, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
Juno said it would be painless. If she came outright and told him, "Your death will be painless", then Desmond would have said "Forget this!"...And Sima, I saw what you were talking about....I guess it never really healed properly, but I don't see how it would affect his ability to walk...Well, anyway, Connor is done as an Assassin unless he finds the Shroud and heals his ailment. He was the Assassin's prize stallion; what do you do with a lame horse? You retire it, or you kill it. Now he's like Achilles. TranquilTempestQu'est-ce que c'est? 03:23, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
I suspect he'll get better (Monty Python, anyone? No? Tough crowd, you Yanks). Now, all jokes aside, I suspect he'll be resurrected via Juno or a machine down there. Just call it a feeling. If not, I wouldn't be terribly surprised. It's not uncommon for game-makers to build up your hopes, with a "oh, yeah, come on home after all of this" kinda chat with the pops (voiced by John De Lancie, who shares my hometown and usually plays an awesome, if somehow bizarre villain). That said, it didn't feel dead to me? If that makes any sense? Also, I suspect one of the DLC packs will related to it, in the same way we had the DLC pack for Revelations that surrounded going through... Subject 16, if I recall? Can't recall perfectly, too long ago.
Karl "13621" Mjolnir 07:47, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
Personally, I think a more likely outcome is he'll get Clay'd - and come back as a virtual construct inside the Animus for the next guy to meet. The glowing arm tattoo at the end of Revelations wasn't mentioned for this reason I believe. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 10:21, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
Even though it happened, I can't believe Ubisoft went that route. The whole "perpetual cycle broken by a savior's sacrifice" is just cliche considering a game that was released earlier this year.
Not to mention it throws canonicity to the wind, and it makes training Desmond look like a complete waste. Slate Vesper (talk) 10:40, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
It actually makes a little bit of sense. 1. They said this was the end of his story. I'd hoped they meant everything was wrapped up in this game, but considering they said they'd make more, I shouldn't have. 2. needs some explaination. The Mayan calender "ending" is actually something like the turn of a millenia is for us. While I have found any evidence for this in a quick look, someone, somewhere, has said the Mayans believed that the date 12/21 2012 would be the end of a cycle, and the beginning of a new one, with a rebirth kind of thing as well. Which Ubisoft used in the ending. However, I agree that I had hoped to see more of Desmond after this game, and that it wastes his training. 03:09, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Connor is crippled? Hmm I suspect when he heals from his injury he might end up like Achilles with a cain. He will probably retire and sire the next ancestor. Forsaken is supposed to end his story with who he has children with and when he dies. I think Desmond will show up possibly in holographic form like the First Civ people, Ubisoft likes to mindfuck and he´ll help the next protagonist save the world . Kryptonian25 (talk) 13:49, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond will probably, as Kain and Krypto says, become the next 16. But whatever happened to lay? And who will Connor train now? Hoodie

So let me get it straight: Desmond was barbecued, Connor is crippled, William and co. escaped from the Grand Temple, the revolution ended, the world was saved, and Juno is the new ruler of the world?!
Thanks a lot, Ubisoft, you noobs! Crappy ending... -_- -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 14:46, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
"But you will be destroyed!" "It will happen in an instant. There will be no pain." How exactly do that not refer to death? This is his last game, his story is closed. They won't drag him on, they have said this numerous times. How exactly would he become an AI construct in the Animus after he is dead? Clay copied his consciousness, turned it into an AI and placed it in the Animus somehow before his death, it didn't magically happen afterwards. And Juno doesn't rule anything yet. We haven't see her get out of the temple even. If something is not seen in the games, it may just as well not have happened. I suppose the new overarching modern day plot will now be Juno trying to take over humanity, replacing the solar flare plot. I don't know why people just think that she walks out of that temple and bam, she automatically rules the world like there's no effort involved. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 15:13, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
I still wonder one thing, though. Didn't Ubi say that they'd develop and explain more of Clay in AC3? Pretty much almost no mention at all of him. The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle (Hey!) 15:19, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn´t rule everything Simi, he touched the orb he could have very well transferred his consciousness into there and become part of the Grand Temple. Kryptonian25 (talk) 16:20, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

That's not transferring his consciousness into the Animus. And uh, nope, they didn't say they were gonna expand more on Clay. I know that they wanted his story to have ended in Revelations. Clay is dead, his AI consciousness copy is destroyed. He's gone. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:21, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

Sima, maybe he didn't transfer his consciousness by magic to the Animus, but some one DID find a way to upload Desmond's memories (atleast Connor's memories) to the Cloud. If they have Dez memories, then they have his consciousness, "What is a man but the sum of his memories?" Assassinchicken (talk) 14:41, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Assassin's creed 3

Should we not add the Assassin's creed 3 information to the arcticle?Templar king (talk) 21:14, November 3, 2012 (UTC)

All in due time. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 16:32, November 4, 2012 (UTC)


At The End He Said Rebirth Chances of coming Back Reborn in The Future? and Plans For Another Assassin's Creed III Like Brotherhood?

We do know at least one POE that does resurrrection: the Ankh, though it says it's temporary. Could there be one that isn't? Just speculating here. Nixeu (talk) 17:05, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

"We can rebuild him, we have the technology." --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 02:14, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

Kain, you're hilarious. XD TranquilTempestQu'est-ce que c'est? 02:19, November 5, 2012 (UTC)

I have my moments. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 02:22, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
That joke is seriously old, but I'll pitch in with "I'll be back" surely you know the reference... Supreme Master AssassinO Mentoras 22:29, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
One big question... how can Conor's memories be relived if Desmond is dead? The Ending pointed Juno as the enemy. AC IV will probably be about Juno enslaving the world. I hope Desmond isn't gone forever. But how can Conor's memories be relived after Desmond's death? EagleAssassin13 (talk) 22:40, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
The Animus was hacked, and someone was playing the memories of Connor. You can hear a man talking about how the animus is well hacked and they need to use "pivots" to find anothers... Personaly, I think Erudito did this, but we don't know yet. diogosanto (not registered in this website)
 Hacking someones' DNA???Half-rose (talk) 14:47, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Confirmation of Death?

Just wondering why the wiki says he's dead. Do we actually know if he is dead or not? All we saw was him collapse onto the floor. He could just have easily been unconscious, and not even Juno states that he is dead. At the end of Brotherhood, Lucy was only seen collapsing, and until Revelations was released, and her death was confirmed, the wiki did not assume she was dead. Am I missing something? Because if not I think we should wait until Ubisoft confirms his status before assuming anything. CrackFoxJunior (talk) 23:05, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

There is a quote, just before, that says he is dead, literally. Even if he got Clay'd he is dead. The quote I believe from Juno says "Your death will be painless". Then a bit later, he touches the orb, goes through all that, and falls to the floor. Gone, dead, lifelss, whatever word you like. Confirmation is here. EmeraldCorruption (talk) 23:42, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
Minerva's words are: "If you free her, you will be destroyed." Which seems more like a warning to humanity rather than just Desmond. CrackFoxJunior (talk) 18:51, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
Then, Juno says it will be quick and painless, and yeah, they never say he will die. Believe what you will, but there is enough evidence to say that he is dead, so it should stay. EmeraldCorruption (talk) 23:22, November 8, 2012 (UTC
I don't really see how him falling to the floor is enough evidence, but fair enough, I shan't argue further. unsigned comment by CrackFoxJunior (talk · contr)
There is nothing that even implies that he is not dead. Whereas the same cannot be said vice versa. "But you will be destroyed!" "It will happen in an instant. There will be no pain." Unless evidence is provided that points out the contrary - seeing as this is basically what is put in our hands - we aren't going to change it. And even if the theorists (I am really starting to dislike 'game theorists ever since the Mass Effect 3 fiasco) that Desmond's consciousness magically transferred into the eye (for god knows what purpose), his body is still dead, silly as it sounds. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 19:04, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I wasn't even suggesting any sort of theory, I hate the indoctination theory for Mass Effect 3, too. And I definitely hate the idea of Desmond's consciousness being tranfered to the eye. I wasn't asking that the information was changed to "Desmond is still alive" or "Desmond is not dead", just that his exact fate was unknown. I don't have proof that he's still alive because I'm not trying to prove that he's still alive. The ending was just a little too vague and too brief (not even a goodbye from Shaun or Rebecca), which confuses me, I suppose. Same thing happened to a lot of ME3 fan's, which explains all theories. Regardless of that mini-rant I just gave, as I said, I won't argue the case further, I just wanted to clarify I wasn't suggesting he was alive anymore than that he wasn't. CrackFoxJunior (talk) 23:14, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
Just a question, if he continues reliving Connor's memories after the "death", then how do we know he is dead? -- IlMualim Wanna Chat? 18:01, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
That is a question you can ask the Revelations ending as well, and it is likely not Desmond in the Animus anymore because you can hear another, unknown person talking. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 18:04, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
From the looks of it I missed something. What talking? What person? I didn't hear anything. -- IlMualim Wanna Chat? 18:06, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
It was just after the last epilogue mission. I'm a little confused too, since the achievement/trophy that appears is "Fin", and yet it's still showing the events of Connor's life. Then again, it could be "fin" for "end of American Revolution"... :/ Slate Vesper (talk) 18:10, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I just did that last bit. What's with this pivot stuff? Does it reveal more after that? -- IlMualim Wanna Chat? 18:28, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that the continued free roam in Revelations is non-canon- Desmond must have relived everything before he woke from his coma. Considering that after the credits roll, no more primary memories are available, post game free roam is just for gameplay purposes. As for AC3, someone must be reliving Connor's memories, as the epilogue has it's own unique cutscenes that appear as primary memories. Who exactly will probably be revealed in DLC. Don't think it's Desmond, though. CrackFoxJunior (talk) 01:15, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

As everything we know so far gives us the impression that he's dead shouldn't we just say that he's dead until we see evidence that he's not? Gboy4 (talk) 19:46, November 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think that "if you free her - you'll be destroyed" and "It will happen in an instant. There will be no pain" seems very concrete to me seeing as the earth and none of it's people were instantly destroyed after Desmond did it--Gboy4 (talk) 22:42, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

He's dead? Maybe. He's alive? Maybe. We don't have a confirmation either way at this time. Sure, it is suggested he'd drop dead, but death isn't the setback it used to be in the ACverse. So no actual statement about him being dead can be made in the article at this time. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 22:48, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really think we should present this based on theories that currently have little to no evidence, because by that logic shouldn't we do the same with Warren Vidic? It is possible to survive getting shot in the head, maybe he's actually in a coma.--Gboy4 (talk) 22:58, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

  • sigh* This is ACB ending all over again. A whole year fighting over if Lucy's dead or not. So yeah, maybe Desmond's dead, maybe his body's dead but his mind isn't, maybe he just fainted and entered another coma, maybe he didn't even fell into a coma and he's just unconscious, there's no way to tell until the next AC is released, IF they decide to mention Desmond at all. There is really no hint that indicates that his body is alive, but then again, this is AC we're talking about. So, is Bruce Wayne dead or was it just another of Alfred's dreams? Assassinchicken (talk) 05:45, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

I'm really starting to regret starting this topic here. Let's face it- The AC endings have never made sense, even Revelations left us with more questions than answers. Besides, Ubisoft will either confirm his death or refuse to answer the question. As for Vidic, Shaun confirms his death not in an email to Desmond (can't remember what it said exactly). CrackFoxJunior (talk) 16:29, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed dead in AC Encyclopedia, second edition. SPARTAN-501 (talk) 01:54, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

That's all I wanted. Thanks. CrackFoxJunior (talk) 21:04, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Can you show us a picture of the respective page? -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:09, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
Can't really do a scan of the page, but it's on page 181: "In the process, Desmond perished and left the human race on precarious ground, at the mercy of First Civilization Juno." Mentioned again on page 183: "Desmond sacrificed his life but ultimately stopped the end of the world." SPARTAN-501 (talk) 02:21, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
"At the mercy of First Civilization Juno"? I don't believe anyone would write it like that in the offical AC Encyclopedia. It sounds like something an anon would post here, more like. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 02:24, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
Those are the exact words. Page 181, AC Encyclopedia 2nd edition. SPARTAN-501 (talk) 10:28, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
You know, I am tired of all this infernal argument concerning Desmond's death. He is gone, bam, Encyclopedia says so for our confirmation, we watched it happen, there are a lot of hints to it in the final scene, and that is is that. It should be posted here on his page that it is 2012 for his death year, because it obviously isn't 2013, since the Solar Flare would have occurred by then. Last time I saw the time around the ending, I believe Shaun says that they only had 48 hours left. That would put his official death on either December 20 or December 21. Since I am unsure on that, what is the reasoning behind taking off everyone's additions of the 2012? I would really like the reasoning to be explained, in consideration of the evidence that he is dead, and when. Why can't we just put his death year down? Seriously. EmeraldCorruption (talk) 23:10, November 19, 2012 (UTC)

I believe I heard him grunt or something about a second after the screen dark at and before the credits started rolling. — M.C.Tales (talk) 21:35, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Emerald, chill the fuck out. If something is not explicitly stated, it is not factual; he may have died, he may have lost consciousness, the game doesn't say. "Hints" do not make something a fact in any sense. If the Encyclopedia says that he is dead, I want to see a photo (I don't need a page screen) of that and we'll add it. We have had people saying something is said in a source that turned out to not be true, so pardon me for being skeptical. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:40, November 20, 2012 (UTC) Here's a photo now deal with it, sorry for the bluntness but my attempts to post this got interrupted twice lol. Gboy4 (talk) 21:42, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Deal with it? Really? -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:45, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
I apologise that was rude, but theres the proof. Gboy4 (talk) 21:48, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Well, there is no proof, really, the encyclopedia says about his perish, sacrifice, whatever, but they don't say his official date of death like the other characters (Lucy, Ezio, Altaïr, Daniel and Vidic). Just look in the page 173 (Desmond Miles Born in 1987) and the page 197 ( Altaïr Ibn- La' Ahad 1165-1257). Miden (talk) 00:30, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Oh great! Ubisoft killed the protagonist! Thank you Ubisoft for destroying your fan´s hope! ...I wonder if I'll have enough courage to play the game now.Half-rose (talk) 12:43, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

I heard that in a recent survey Ubisoft aksed some questions about the sequel to AC III. They said "Sequel" not AC IV. 1) Possibly another Connor game. 2) They also asked about a how fans would feel about a return of Desmond. So if most of the fans want Desmond to return, Ubisoft might come up with one of their "Big Ideas" and make Desmond return in the sequel to AC III. So I guess the fans decide if Desmond is dead or not.EagleAssassin13 (talk) 23:57, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Really??? I really wonder how would be their "Big Ideal" for Desmond to return, like: Animus keeps Desmond's back ups and Rebbeca along with Shaun manages to drag his dead body into Animus and turns him alive... That seems strange, but it's the only way I see where he can return. But even if he does; What will be their goal? Stop Juno?Half-rose (talk) 14:40, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

Desmond's Lineage

I was under the impression that Desmond's genes were second to none and that if something similar happend again to the Earth, to me, it seems Desmond's genes held the answer and passing them down a line of children would be critial in saving the world again, if it needed saving in that same manor again. So thingy is, with no child of Desmond's, who will they go to in AC4? Because for a time during Reveltion's I misunderstood and thought someone was living Desmond's memories to see how the world was saved that time. But I was wrong and am just wondering if any child of Desmond's exists. (Harlan1500 (talk) 09:09, November 14, 2012 (UTC))

As William said in Revelations, "But what he has is rare. His genes contain high concentrations of First Civilization DNA. Only about one in ten million are so lucky." That leaves about 70 people alive with similar doses of First Civilization genes as Desmond. Not to mention that this "Eve" is probably as important as Desmond is. And no, there was never any indication that Desmond's memories were being relived and no, he has no known children else that would be on his page. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 09:23, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
I always thought Desmond had to find 'Eve' and that they'd have a child that would save the world, but my speculation was dead wrong. I was justing thinking maybe he'd had a one-night-stand but that "Only about ten million are so lucky" thing is a stretch. Thanks! (Harlan1500 (talk) 09:35, November 14, 2012 (UTC))
The series hasn't ended yet, we do not yet know what the future may bring. I'm sure we will finally see this "Eve" soon enough, and I don't think this is the last we've heard from Desmond. And if AC1 already started in September, the world would go down in December, and a usual pregnancy takes nine months, I don't think them having a child would have accounted for much. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 09:48, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
To be perfectly honest, I don't believe Desmond's story has ended yet. If my theory about Desmond's consciousness surviving his physical death (thanks in part to a merging of his and 16's at the end of Revelations) holds true, it would serve to explain the existence of the The Tyranny of King Washington DLC that is being released. Yes, I'm aware they have publicly said the DLC will be non-canon, but who knows. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:43, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

I do agree its not the last we´ve seen of Desmond I think Nolan might be willing to voice him even as a secondary character. Kryptonian25 (talk) 19:54, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I am a bit bummed. Didn't Clay, during Brotherhood, tell Desmond to find Eve? That she was the key to it all or something? All hope was lost and such. Going off the preserved consciousness bit, it could be postulated (And I do honestly hate annoying people with theories, but I'm still in a bit of shock that after five games, he's just picked off to prevent a bit of solar damage hitting the Earth's reset button), that he may somehow return, and that this is actually his way of going to Eden to find Eve. If it is the Eve of history, she clearly would long be dead, and perhaps "salvaged" in some manner in which Clay knows she can be found, and Eden itself perhaps another vault on Earth where she is stored. Him touching a restoration object of Juno could imply that he was pulled into it, for her to be released, and thus he may have joined the "computer mainframe" of the First Civilization's tech in a likewise manner of the Animus. Afterall, it was stated that all technological advancements were based upon First Civilization technology, and therefore the Animus is the product of some tech of theirs. Clay's conscious preservation is also not entirely original, mirroring that of Jupiter, Minerva and Juno, though his being a lesser extent of that. Wild idea, yes. I don't think this'll be what happens, but I think people ought to keep an open mind to the possibilities within a fictional setting.

Soo... having now annoyed plenty who don't want to hear desperate fan ideas, I feel that it is plausible. Not saying to make an official statement of it or anything, but I think it worth getting out there. I'm sure many are in shock over his death and feel that AC is a bit too broad for anything to be as cut and dry as that, so here's a happy thought to hold you over until more is said. And to those thinking, "The Encyclopedia said he was dead. That's that." remember, that this is science fantasy. Even if he is dead, resurrection isn't an impossibility in the genre. Not to mention things can always be retconned, and that the printed word might have been printed too soon. MykaelCreo (talk) 10:17, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


Who keeps writing that the auroras protected the Earth? The auroras are products of minor solar flares, they're not some type of blast shield against the solar flares. Even if you don't have this knowledge (or common sense), the same auroras appeared in ACR when the Earth was roasted, and it wasn't protected. I write this because I saw it on this page and Juno's, who knows where else. Once again, no one knows exactly how the world was saved, but it WASN'T A COLORFUL BLAST SHIELD AROUND THE EARTH, it's just products of the minor solar flares, it happens all the time in the poles. Assassinchicken (talk) 00:31, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

You're joking, right? Did you actually watch the final video? --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 01:00, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
-_- This is exatly what I mean when I mention "common sense". The aurora didn't appear because of the Desmond-touching-the-pedestal-then-seems-like-dying-but-you-never-know-with-Ubisoft, it appeared because that's what solar flares do. That's what happens in the poles. Solar dust is seen crashing in Earth's atmosphere, creating the auroras. The aurora isn't protecting anyone from anything, it's just a spectacle created by the minor solar flares. You can see the aurora in ACR's ending, yet everyone burned, so it's not protecting anyone. Besides, it's not like Earth didn't suffer anything. "Eyewitnesses describe electrical storms and erratic displays of unusual weather... residents being asked to remain inside and wait for... geological surveys are now reporting seismic activity throughout the ring of fire... northeastern Canada is said to be experiencing the largest... satellites and transformers are failing as THE SOLAR FLARE ICREASES IT'S INTENSITY" , volcanic activities, earthquakes, but nothing too big, wich means Desmond-touching-the-pedestal-then-seems-like-dying-but-you-never-know-with-Ubisoft somehow reduced the solar flare effects, it did not create a colorful blast shield around the earth. Assassinchicken (talk) 01:54, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Did you watch the credits, or read what the reporter was saying or anything? Sure you mentioned that bit, but that was before the greenish glow. I understood what it was you were saying, sure, all scientifically speaking, but the reporter mentions the glow as some sort of magnetic field thing around the Earth, or something in that category. He also follows with saying things like 'seismic activity is still occurring but nowhere near the levels from before' (not exact words). Just releasing Juno would have done absolutely nothing to save the world. EmeraldCorruption (talk) 04:29, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Those quotes are from after that "greenish glow". The reporter said nothing about a magnetic field, he just said that there was a global aurora, the same happened when TWCB died and the same would've happened if Desmond decided not to touch the pedestal (except everyone would've died, but the aurora would still be there). I don't get hoy people believe it was some sort of colorful shield, when neither the reporter nor Juno nor anyone stated that was true. Nothing stated actually suggest that. And I'm not saying that releasing Juno saved the world, but the Grand Temple somehow did, releasing Juno at the same time. So like I said, If a solar flare hits us right now, we would see that global aurora, Desmond or no Desmond, Juno or no Juno, technology from acient civilizations or not. A global aurora saving the world is nothing but speculation based on absolutely nothing. Assassinchicken (talk) 05:15, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Ok then, science everything up, but find me an explanation otherwise first that explains why the Earth was saved. There isn't enough evidence even in what you say to counter the fact that Earth is still around after the flare. Also, if you look at the video from Revelations, the Aurora is literally an Aurrora, swirling about like a green Northern Lights in the sky. Here, it is a giant orb around Earth with no breaks. With what you say it must either be super thick or simply incorrect in this case. What else kept Earth alive? What stopped the seismic activity? What is Salvation then, the sixth option for saving the world? What was the purpose of touching the pedestal if nothing happened and Juno was let out? Seriously, I get your points, but it is honestly the only evident solution right now, and everyone that beat the game saw it. EmeraldCorruption (talk) 23:42, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
Dude, you're not getting it. He's not saying that Desmond didn't save the world, just that the auroras had nothing to do with it. They were simply the affect of the mitigated solar flares. As to how exactly the flares were mitigated, we were given clues throughout the unlocking of the door: Juno said that the process to make the towers to protect the earth had been automated, and that she had taken interest in that idea. She also mentions how she stayed alive when she talks about digital trancendance but mentions that to come back out of the computer required "something more. Something wrong." A sacrifice? So what we can assume happened when Desmond touched the pedestal is that his life force freed Juno, and then Juno activated the towers on her own, something she obviously couldn't do while trancended. Also, I'm shocked at anyone who expected a happy ending for Desmond's story, and doesn't realize how this ending opens up a totally different modern world. Will Abstergo serve Juno, or fight her? Does that mean Abstergo and the Assassins will be fighting her together, then? What of Eurudito? Will they play a larger role? 00:23, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
I never said he was saying Desmond didn't save the world, mate, I said that according to his statement, the pedestal didn't do much. By the way, the towers were scrapped by TWCB, if you payed attention, they didn't have time. The something more, something wrong thing wouldn't have done anything here to save anything. The towers were incompleted, they didn't even finish the first one, Juno just got out, nothing more. What saved Earth then, if not the so called shield/aurora? EmeraldCorruption (talk) 00:59, November 16, 2012 (UTC)
1) The aurora in Revelations is there as product of the solar flare but in AC3 is there to save the Earth? fail.
2) There is no evidence at all that even suggests that the aurora saved the world.
3) In both Revelations and AC3, they are literally auroras. If ACR's aurora wasn't the same "global magical shield", then we wouldn't be able to see an aurora in New York.
4) The pedestal DID do much, I never stated otherwise, it saved the world in an unknown way. I believe it had to do something with the calculations of existance Minerva talked about, but no so sure, so scratch that.
5) The pedestal somehow reduced the flare, it did not stop it, hence the minor volcanic activities and earthquakes. Don't you think that if a colorful shield came out of nowhere the Earth would be intact?
6) The aurora is also shown in Minerva's explanaition on how the world would've ended, which means that the aurora is nothing more than a spectacle created by the solar flare.
7) The reporter says that it seems like a "global aurora borealis". That doesn't mean it;s not an aurora, it just means that is not an Aurora Borealis, because it's obvious. If it's global, it can't be borealis.
8) I'm giving you all these facts and you're based on nothing more than speculation. Assassinchicken (talk) 01:47, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

Aurora borealis does not protect the Earth from solar activity. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:07, November 16, 2012 (UTC)

It's rather simple, really. What Assassinchicken is trying to say, is that something guarded the Earth, while the oh so purty lights were simply a cosmic blast coating around whatever managed to shield the planet to whatever extent. Imagine an explosion, with the blasts of fire swooping around a shield. That's what it was. The Aurora was the fire of the blast striking against whatever largely protected the world. They were not an indication of the shield itself. As stated, the lights occurred before as a harbinger of the solar force that decimated the Earth and killed off the precursors, and again during the hypothetical conversation of Desmond refusing to touch the panel-majig. When they occurred following his activation of the dome thing, something mostly rebutted the blast, but the lights still occurred around whatever the shield really was, the shield still being dampened enough to cause some natural disasters. MykaelCreo (talk) 09:44, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

I think that the Aurora is created not by the flare hitting the unknown shield that Juno's pedastal created to protect the earth, but by hitting the earth's magnetic field, as per how the real-life aurora borealis occurs.
Gr1m r4p3r (talk) 19:44, November 30, 2012 (UTC)
 :: During some particularly intense sun moments in history you were able to see the Aurora from incredibly far southern locations. I can't quiet remember how far the biggest one was viewable from. But ubisofts inclusion of it being viewable was most definitely not an inclination that it was the safety measure used to save the planet. They were just being accurate and portraying that if something like that were to happen there would be a massive Aurora taking place. LancelotLoire (talk) 22:10, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

No, he isn't ... he can't be...

Jumpin mechanic

Hey, I noticed that under the trivia for brotherhood, you guys say desmond and lucy reference uncharted to with they're jumping mechanic, and realized that it wasen't a nod to uncharted, but resident evil 5 where Chris Redfield (vioced by Ezio's vioce actor) and his partner sheeva do a VERY similiar jumping mechanic. And While they do reference Uncharted, it's more of a nod to resident evil as they do a jump EXACTLY like that.

AC3 Hoodie trivia

Hey guys. Just wondering if you lot wanted to add to the trivia section of AC3 that when his hood is down the interior is red, but when it's raised it's white. Just a little useless something I noticed. 01:11, January 11, 2013 (UTC) 


Do you guys think that under the section ``Anchestry´´ in the page it should be changed so that it says that Adam was Desmond most distant known ancestor?S1monab0m (talk) 09:36, February 21, 2013 (UTC)S1minab0m.

"The Badlands"

Why is "the badlands" in quotes? It's what it's called. 07:38, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Are we sure that that's the place Desmond wandered through, and not just some generic wilderness? Sadelyrate (talk) 07:58, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong Picture

Acording to this page

the picture of Desmond miles is wrong


We have recieved an update from the Assassin's creed Brotherhood dev team. They privided us with a more accurate version of the eagle from Desmond Miles t-shir. This new version is the exact one used in the game. As we are committed to te authencicity of our gear, we feel we have to use this new version for the t-shirts. 18:50, March 10, 2013 (UTC) T. Peters

Stop undoing the changes

Let me change the freaking death areas. We don't know for a fact that he is dead and you are feeding people misinformation.Jit80209 (talk) 22:56, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Stop having a tantrum, how about that? And we do know for a fact that he's dead - Encylopedia entry says so. Indoctrination Theories, AC3-style are not allowed. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 22:58, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
What do you mean encyclopedia entry says so? And I think that there is a possibility he is still alive. No one actually says in the game "Oh look Desmond died from touching the apple". And Ubisoft never said "Oh yeah Desmond died". Maybe in Black Flag they will even address the possibilty that he is alive. Just let it say that his status is unknown.Jit80209 (talk) 23:01, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
No. There is a source for his death; and there isn't one for his "possible survival". --Crimson Knight Intercom 23:05, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
This Encyclopedia. And in case you haven't noticed, we use sources that aren't just restricted to games. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 23:03, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Additionally, it says in Minerva that Desmond dies. Minerva being a First Civilization character who can tell the future, I think ill go with her :) --Fragment -Animus- 23:50, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Just an FYI Forgotten Fragment: other ACWiki articles are not reliable sources or reference material. Just because one articles says 'such and such died on xxxx' does not mean you can include it in another article without an original reference. In this case, the information on Minerva's article is referenced (from the Encyclopaedia no less), so it is included on this article as well. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:46, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

ACI Broken Blade

Do need to say something.--ACsenior (talk) 13:16, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

The problem with using Initiates as a source is that it's not easily verifiable as of this moment in time, since it's effectively a closed Beta. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:13, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
This was leaked before the closed Beta, so we have no obligation to not use it. --Crimson Knight Intercom 16:15, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

We can use the info we from Initiatea we already have as a source, but not breaking the contact(or what it is) by leaking new info from the closed Beta.--ACsenior (talk) 14:20, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

That's not what Jasca said. He said it was hard to verify the source, because we cannot access it anymore now that it is in the closed Beta stage. Nesty Contact me! 16:56, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

I know, just clarifying that we can use this image freely. --Crimson Knight Intercom 16:58, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Blatant Speculation

I'm not arguing over canon or non-canon, but I thought I'd share some ideas I've had for a while. Pitch in your own thoughts on the subject if you wish. This is a theoretical discussion, a series of what-ifs, that has no bearing on fact. Just personal fancy.

Desmond Miles has struggled with the nature of identity since before his introduction. As a child he came to despise the paranoia of his parents, the inconstency of daily life as they moved from compound to compound, the brutal regiment of training and physical conditioning. He came to long for freedom, for the ability to strike out on his own- to claim himself from the grips of his "destiny" as an assassin. So he ran away, and for a time, he lived without direction, flitting from place to place on his whims, until he landed a job as a bartender. His love of motorcycles, his nights clubbing and his dalliances in bars served as little more than distractions from the issue he was still ruled by- his fear and resentment of his destiny. Eventually, he slipped, and abstergo found him.

Surprisingly, he did not feel anger, or hatred for them. Rather, a sense of resolution, a kind of "unwinding". A weight had been lifted from his shoulders. For years he'd been living in secrecy, and in spite of himself he had suspicions of the spectre of abstergo. And now they'd caught him.

Surprisingly, they intended to use him. Desmond played along. Partly out of a sense of futility, and partly as a way of sticking it to his father. His father's obsession with the order had served only to make Desmond associate the assassins with manic obsessive ideologues...

In the course of his journeys into the animus, he learns valuable lessons from his ancestors. From Altair, he learned of irresponsibility, the rashness and arrogance of youth, which tempered in the fires of war and the blood of sacrifice, becomes wisdom and discipline. From Ezio, he learned of cunning and guile, charisma and wit, a love of art and science, and learning. He learned that being an assassin does not mean you cease to be a person, and that you can lead a rich and fulfulling life on top of your responsibilities to a cause. From Connor, he learned to reconcile his relationship with his own father. He learned about truth and betrayal. He learned that freedom comes with a price. He learned that life never has easy answers, and that a person can struggle his entire life, overcome every trial, but still lose everything...  that absolute victory is unachievable, and that sometimes, a compromise must be struck.

It's a natural progression to his choice- to give up his life to save humanity, so that they have a chance. I believe it was this choice that juno sought. Moreover, I believe her subtle manipulations of his bloodline served to make a human with a high concentration of first ancestory blood, who would also be more receptive to her will (as the conflicting ideals of the templar and assassin heritage within desmond temper eachother). Cesare is one of his ancestors- recall the scene of Cesare's death. There was distortion as it occurred- feedback as the scene played back from two different genetic origins. For a few moments, Desmond witnessed Cesare's death from Cesare's perspective.

Any human with a high concentration of first ancestor blood could have sufficed to activate the device, if it were truly so simple as being locked genetically. But Desmond is uniquely suited for another purpose- to act as the vessel for the will of a first ancestor. He has likely logged more hours in the animus than any other human being to date. His brain has adapted to swapping personas-juggling differing memories, perspectives, and personalities. You might even say, his use of the animus is a form of spiritual possession.

So then, what was her true intention? I believe that the oncoming solar apocalypse is a partial or complete fabrication. With millenia to plan this, it's too much of a stretch to assume she'd only give herself such a narrow timetable to enact her salvation. It's also too much of a coincidence that Abstergo just happens to be launching a satelite program related to the apples at roughly the same time. This is what we'd call, a manufactured crisis. I believe her true intention is to employ these satellites, and the artifacts within them, as a means of taking over mankind. Humans that lack a significant amount of ancestor DNA would be powerless in the face of this. A  (forcibly) allied mankind would provide her with the power to bring about the solution she had failed to enact before.

The modern world is screwed, frankly. With only a small number of humans on the earth that can retain their free will fully (most of whom are likely assassin or templar agents), the world's goverments won't be able to resist. Any mass resistance will be quelled by a "gentle hand" as their emotions are supressed and manipulated.

So, that leaves us with a situation wherein any free-willed human is perceived to be a threat by the New (Old) order; Juno would have her servants dispatch them with extreme prejudice. It would be a case of you vs. the world, where any civilian or person could be a sleeper, ready to betray, attack, and kill you should they learn your true identity.

Sadly, both abstergo and the assassins are much too good at tracking their own people. Given the majority of the assassins and abstergo personel are likely going to be subject to this malicious influence, the organizations will fall apart into embattled groups, who will be pinned down from all directions and summarily executed. Those that escape and survive will be forced to live in the shadows of the new world, hiding their faces and true nature.

This is where Desmond comes in. But wait? He's dead. But lets step back from the facts a moment, and take in all of his experiences up to his death. His choice to enact Juno's plan was not an admission of failure- it represented a tipping point in Desmond's avoidance issues. It showed his willingness to give up everything for the common good of mankind. The scene of his death was not just a physical death, it was an abandonment of the insecurities and doubts that had filled his life until that moment.

This Desmond won't be the Desmond you knew. This is a Desmond who has come to embrace the life lessons of his ancestors. He's experienced lifetimes of assassin training in the animus, subjectively. He has the experience, and the instincts, and now the will to do what he was always destined to do. To save humanity.

The hows or whys of his return are largely irrelevant to me. It could have been an ankh, or some cloth, or a rinky dink happy meal toy- whatever. He's here, and he's ready to kick butt. WIth no end of potential targets- kidnapping and interrogating Order scientists, to infiltrating hostile bases to steal artifacts or technology, intelligence gathering, reforging information and supply lines between the remnants of the templars and assassins, etc etc., you have a very rich and broad panorama upon which to build a compelling story.

Also, street combat aboard a motorcycle. Explosive car chases and high speed stunt action. Near-future scific technology, infiltration gear, and cool new gadgets (cable launcher on bracer, hacking minigames, surveillance tracking). There is more than enough material here for another three assassin's creed games, should they pursue it.

Desmond's death, if it is merely that, would be a tragic ending; it would be ending the story before it ever truly begins.

Just to correct you, Desmond and his parents never left the Farm when Desmond was a kid. But after he ran away, his parents left it after they were attacked by the Templars during the Great Purge. -- AgentG231 The Action Center 11:57, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the correction. 48 hours of monster-induced awareness takes a toll...

Short but tricky alternate timeline of the main story.How to describe it in the main article?I don't think it is only speculation.

In fact,there are another story line of acquiring the location.Because it is possible that Desmond access the restored DNA memory of Ezio and Da Vinci discovering the smaller Vault and witnessing the letters and numbers BEFORE he left the Sanctuary.In this possible timeline,Desmond would receive an e-mail from William through Hephaestus Email Network, telling him to be silent of the important location seen in the Vault to his teamates.

The two lines are alternate to each other.However,the second one seems better matching the main story.William asked Desmond not to tell the message,possibly because Lucy was still in charge of the team,and already suspected,at least. Another proof,In Revelations,when Desmond woke up from the Animus,the team,including William,were already in the U.S., driving to the Grand Temple. Obviously,William had got the message when Desmond was still conscious.Sleeplust (talk) 15:10, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't necessarily mean the plain-text e-mail is the canonical route. Harlan T. Cunningham could be heard talking with William during the ACB credits, and Da Vinci Disappearance, acknowledging Desmond's mind was remembering something from 1506, and that they wanted it recorded. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 15:15, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
I mean William possibily had got the message of the location before his son collapsed.The dialogue of H.T.Cunningham and William talking about setting Desmond back to Animus would appear or happen if or not they got the message before Desmond fell in coma.The other information that William want to know something around 1506 was included in that email before players finish the main line.The above means the second line contains more information and might be better matching the story.Sleeplust (talk) 15:46, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Desmond's Ancestry

So this is what someone found, and it might provide some clues as to Desmond's direct ancestors.

Apparently, from his father's side is the Auditores and the Kenways, and from his mother's side is Altair, plus a few more potential ancestors from various countries in various time eras.

I was just wondering what you guys might think of it and if it gave something new. -- 05:37, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

This has already been incorporated into the articles, where appropriate. That said, thanks for bringing it to our attention, just gotta be a couple of days quicker next time :) --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 09:19, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
Didn't Darby say that that e-mail with the potential ancestors and timelines are fake? Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 05:44, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
Nit as far as I am aware. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:54, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

He said they are no a hint for future AC games, also that the fans created that list in term of era's for future games. The ancestor parts is true, they Even said that during when marketing of the game that they would reveal the ancestors of both his mother and father.

Edit: Sorry bad wording, by some i meant we don't know all their ancestors. Only the ones we currently know of. --ACsenior (talk) 16:17, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

The e-mail that talks about Desmond's ancestry is false.

"The email thread that's in the game, I wrote that very swiftly in an afternoon but I didn't realise that Kotaku would write like two huge articles about it," McDevitt told Edge.  "What a lot of people don't realise is that the time periods I picked were not necessarily the ones we were considering, it was just me parodying the ones that the fans had asked for back to them. So the fans generated that list, we didn't generate that list."

Darby explains that they are just a parody of what the fans have been asking for, for years. Here is the source: Source

So if anything, the current edit of Desmond's ancestry is hollow Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 03:46, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

But somewhere here in this wiki, someone has made a family tree of Desmond, yet not official... -- JackJaeger (talk) 05:42, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
It may be a parody, but that does not debunk Desmond's ancestry. The time periods picked were to poke fun at people's most asked about time periods, but they have been written into the game as Desmond having ancestors during those times. For that reason, those ancestors are to be considered real, even if we do not visit their lifetimes. Slate Vesper (talk) 00:38, March 8, 2014 (UTC)
As Slate says; the email's inclusion in the game may have been meant as a 'joke', but that doesn't mean it is any less canon than anything else that is included... --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:59, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Considerable points, i would have agreed, however, you said "joke" , key word is "joke". Everyone knows that jokes aren't ment to be taken seriously. Plus, he even stated that the time periods listed are ones that they would not consider. As he states "What a lot of people don't realize is that the time periods I picked were not necessarily the ones we were considering...."- Darby McDevitt.
Again if we were going by Slate's reasoning, then Connor would be a comfirmned Master Assassin, since it was written in the description with his outfit in the Animus, which was in-game,  however everyone disagreed , because it is information that is not comfrimed, as Jasca stated. Darby however comfirms the listed ancestry as a joke, a parody, which is satire, and satires aren't ment to be taken truthfully. One of the antonyms of the word, parody, is truth.  
I would take the Japanese ancestor true canon than the others however, since it was cemented in-game by a NPC, a woman giving a tour of the Abstergo Entertainment facility, you know, the one in the entrance in that grand hall. (Remember when you left the first Animus in the begining of the game, when following Mel, a woman at your right would speak of the Japanese ancestor to some tourists or newbie workers)
With the information stated, the ancestry listed in Desmond's entry would be misinformation that would hurt readers who are not familiar with the lore.
Once again, I am not trying to erupt a flame war, or start any arguements, I'm only bringing facts to this debate like a gent, and I would like to resolve this issue in a peaceful matter. It would be benifical however if someone can prove my points wrong, as my main intreast is to bring high quality reading for everyone. --- Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 22:49, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
Connor is not listed as a Master Assassin because he never appears as one, and an off-hand comment in a Database entry (which incorrectly refers to him as Connor Kenway) does not constitute an appearance. It is for this same reason that Augustin Dieufort is not categorised as a Captain; he may well have been trained to be one, but he has not appeared in any material as one.
Whether the list was included as a parody or not is simply besides the point; it is included and is thus canon unless any material is present which contradicts it. (Which to my knowledge, there is not.) --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:25, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

I don't see what the foaming is all about. That location list is an OOU joke - fact. However, as far as IU perspective is concerned, those locations were extracted from Desmond's DNA, ergo, he had ancestors in living in those times, and are valid pointers to his ancestry. You can't argue with genetic memories, like you can with point-of-view database entries and other descriptions. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 16:34, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Prime, do not worry, there is no foaming. Well at least not from me! Can't argue with genetic memories, you are right you can't, but with the writer who wrote these memories, who said they are fake, a parody.....that trumps it all. Jasca, its true that Augustin is not a comfirmed Captain, for there is too little information. Connor listed as a Master Assassin is debatable at best, but we'll leave that aside in the Master Assassin Talk section.  

Any material that contradicts it? Simple, lets look at definitions. Canon is official, authentictruth, cannot debate any of these, especially truth. Look at Parody: mimicking, slapstick, mockary, all debatable. However, look up the antonym for Parody, and you'll see Truth listed there. Canon is truth, Parody is not. Can't tell me the sky is purple when it's obviously blue. More material? Here is a shorter article interviewing Darby, dedicated to the list explaination as being called "red herrings", if any of you found the other one too lengthy on other subjects or for those who haven't bothered to read it at all:

Since Prime mentioned folks foaming here, like I said, good debate here, no wrong or ill to one another.---Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 04:17, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

Except they can't be fake from IU perspective, since the locations that were factually explored previously are included among them, being Italy, Constantinople and Crusades. Darby might have just made the whole thing up to be a fake from his perspective, but obviously didn't think things through in the end. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 11:57, March 11, 2014 (UTC)

As Kain has just said; the fact that Darby has admitted the list was included for not entirely serious reasons does not in any way change the fact that it is included, and must be viewed as canon unless some other in universe material contradicts it. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:25, March 11, 2014 (UTC)
To be fair, the Ezio and Altair memories are obviously cannon, so they don't matter in this conversation. When you said Darby might made the whole thing up from his "perspective", well, he is the writer of the AC Universe. Technecially he and the creative writing team control on where the game's direction and storyline will go, the "gods" of the AC Universe, if I may. The writers of every IP, whenever cartoon, movie, or game, has the say on what is canon or not, and in this case he said its fake. He did say it was meant to distract and mislead, mentioning again the red herring term that he uses in the interviews about the list. I'll post the sources when I can, as these interviews are months old and buried underneath all the ACV rumors and speculation news.
I see however all of your points however and they are true as well. If Darby holds another QA, I would like to ask if the list is legit "canon", or indeed it was truly false and void with no true weigth whatsoever. As well as comfirmation on Connor's Master Assassin rank is legit or not. If he does, we in fact should all go and ask questions on the lore, in order to help polish up the entries in the wiki. ---Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 03:20, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
None of the Ubi people answer hard questions in these Q&As. They always cherrypick them for the easy ones. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 10:15, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if they ever did that, since some of the questions I they answer in the Q&As that I read are much more in depth now. Especially some of the ones in the recent Darby Q&A in AC:Initates. Plus, even if they can't fully answer this question, I doubt its hard for them to comfirm at least the legitimacy of Connor's Master Assassin rank.---Mr.DarkBlade (talk) 23:53, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

5th century Ancestor

Can someone please add this in Desmond's ancestory section? I would do it myself, but I don't really know how to. An entry in AC Unity's database says Desmond had an ancestor in 5th century CE in Europe during the hight of the Hun Empire, and that he "Echos a bloodline sage" or something, what ever that means. I assume it means he was a sage, or he met a sage, or something. You can read it yourself by going to the database, then encyclopedia, then misc. then assassin intel, then read #7, but you will have to unlock it by playing rift missions if you haven't already. I just thought it was interesting because this would be Desmond's earliest known ancestor after Adam and Eve. BrimStoned (talk) 02:17, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, Desmond's earliest known ancestor was the Romano-Gallic Assassin Aquilus, who lived around 250CE. As for the information you have requested be put in, I'm sure somebody will get around to it eventually. You're also more than welcome to include the information yourself, so long as you remember to source it correctly. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:53, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah I knew that, I just had a complete idiot moment. When I saw CE, for some reason I was thinking BC. It hit me earlier today, but I wasn't able to get to my lap top to fix it until just now. And the reason I brought it up is because I don't know how to source it correctly. And I have seen some articles be way out of date before on this wiki, and with this being such a small, easily unnoticable note, I just wanted to make sure someone knew about it to update it.BrimStoned (talk) 19:54, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
That is a valid point. For future reference, instructions on how to source an article properly can be found here. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 01:00, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

AC3 Render

Can anyone upload a render like the infobox pic but from AC3??--RexGodwin (talk) 09:28, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Desmond's death was totally uncalled for

Silver4Raven (talk) 18:43, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Did they ever explain why Desmond,Altair and Ezio have the same scar?

I don't think it's just "passed on genetically", we don't know exactly why Altair has it but Ezio gets it from his initial fight in AC2 by getting his face hit with a rock.

Also William doesn't bare the mark yet Desmond and his son does, how?Qwert1225 (talk) 11:16, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

Each one just so happens to have a similar scar in a similar location on their body, that's all. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 17:20, February 9, 2018 (UTC)
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