I was browsing through the Animus Database in ACB the other day, and was very surprise to find that it didn't include a single word about The Banker, one of the only actual 'Targets' ezio gets to assassinate in Brotherhood (not counting Templar Agents). I'm talking about that fat guy he assassinates in a memory well into the game.
I searched this wiki for anything about him, realized he isn't even mentioned in it. When typing "The Banker" in the search bar, I was redirected to an entry about some multiplayer character.
Compiling an entry about the character is, in my humble opinion, important for the completion of this wiki. DiamondBlade1 19:57, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
Vali cel Tradat
In Assassin's Creed: Revelations, Vali is assassinated by one of Ezio's apprentices, not Ezio himself. In fact, it is impossible for Ezio to assassinate Vali in any manner. Should Vali be moved to the list of Templar Agents in Constantinople? I don't want to simply edit it, because some of the Templar Agents (Cyril, Mirela, Odai and Lysistrata) are 'canonly' killed by Ezio himself, so they are 'his' victims, but are not a part of the main story. Ideas? 126.96.36.199 17:37, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
You will just need to move him to targets killed by other assassin's then. 188.8.131.52 17:42, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
According to the page "Assassination targets were individuals that the Assassin Order deemed necessary of elimination.". Should Maria Thorpe be included on this list as she wasn't an actual target but a decoy. LancelotLoire (talk) 23:30, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
I see that Jasca marked this page for deletion, with a reason of "duplicate of Assassins#Known victims." I agree that is is somewhat a duplicate, but I don't think it should be deleted. I think that the "Known victims" section of the Assassins page should be merged with this page, as victims of the Assassins doesn't really give much info on the Assassin Order itself - which is the purpose of the Assassins page in the first place; that information, in my opinion, is irrelevant to the purpose of the Assassins page. nucl3arsnake (talk) 13:28, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
- The article, in its current form, actually provides less information than the same section on the Assassins article (i.e. there are no dates of death, or victims from non-playable individuals). Frankly, I don't ever see there being enough information to warrant a completely separate article, as the impetus to keep the information all on one article will still be there. --Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:47, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
- That's good to here. And Jasca, saying that isn't enough information to warrant a page is pretty much like saying that there isn't enough information on... well almost every stub article on the wiki to warrant a page. I also don't quite see how "the impetus to keep the information all on one article will still be there" just because it lacks a large amount of information, even when said information is completely irrelevant to the topic of the page. nucl3arsnake (talk) 21:47, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Assassination targets offers us the opportunity to detail people killed by the Templars as well, so it would be more beneficial to merge the list from Assassins with this page and then detail the Templars' victims as well. For this reason, I am effectively swapping the delete template for a merge one, because it shows a better precedence to discuss a merge than to have conflicting opinions on the talk page of a semi-crucial page like this to decide a set-in-stone outcome. Slate Vesper (talk) 23:07, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
Should this article be solely for Templars and Assassins of whom have been assassinated? Because in some instances mission require an assassination of, say, a business rival, who is neither Assassin or Templar, and I think they still apply for an Assassination target. Thoughts? --Fragment -Animus- 00:17, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with Slate. If an Assassin purposefully set out to assassinate someone, he is a target. However, Kanen'to:kon, for example, was a "casualty of war" who was not an actual assassination target, so people like that do not belong on the list. Nesty Contact me! 16:44, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
Draft of combined pages
I got a bit of a wild hair this evening and felt a desperate need to edit, and I thought I might try my hand at combining the Assassination targets page and Known victims subheading, as suggested on the talk page. Here is a reformatted version of the page that contains all information from both pages, as well as some additional information.
- Wow, nice work, Molotov. I don't know about the others, but this seems like a definite improvement to me :) The one thing that bothers me would be the overlapping tabs in Ezio's section, but I'm not sure how you'd go about fixing it. Maybe split them into two? The first group of tabs could go from 1476 to 1498 (I noticed, the 1498 doesn't pop up, there's a coding issue there) and the second group from 1500 till 1512.
- Other minor things: Lysistrata is mentioned twice in the 1511 tab and a lot of individuals are linked more than once (e.g Malfatto). Also, might want to change the noblemen/men on Ezio and Edward's sections respectively, as they also killed women. Maybe "individuals" would be better? Crook The Constantine District 08:25, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
- I would preferably put an "Elimination by Assassins" header with all the ancestors and "other Assassins" section underneath as subheaders, and then change "Templar assassinations" to "Elimination by Templars", while keeping the survivor section. This way, you have a tidier table of contents at the top. Slate Vesper (talk) 21:09, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
Specific target or collateral casualty?
I wanted to ask this to make sure we're on the right track with who goes on this list. Should Assassination Targets cover only those whose assassinations were premeditated, or that plus people who were killed by Assassins/Templars in the line of duty? John Harrison is an good example of the latter, since Haytham did intentionally kill him, but did not arrive at Harrison's location for that purpose. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 04:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't see why not. At the very least, I think we should include the dude Ezio takes out in the main storyline, like, the very first one. Crook The Constantine District 11:00, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't we have the people killed by Assassins in one section, rather than making special sections for Protagonists? Adding Hattori Hanzo makes this even more confusing. Do they get their own list for being significant or having a long list of kills?--Bovkaffe (talk) 13:59, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
- I think that's how Molotov did it; she's the one that revamped this article (though I think even before that, it split the targets by protagonist). I remember Sima wanting to take a different, less protagonist-centered approach, so maybe it's time we adapted it then? Crook The Constantine District 14:02, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Arno and Shay have there own sections for Assassination Targets like Altair, Ezio, Edward, Haytham, and Connor; since they are main characters in there games i believe the Other Assassination Targets should be for ones we know and hear about but not for the main characters. I would try and do it myself but im not good with programming. let me know what the rest of you think about that; Thank you.
- Hold your horses, we'll get to them in time. --Kainzorus Prime ⚜ Walkie-talkie 01:28, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
Making sections for them because they're protagonists would be a bit OOU. You also have to consider that Shay switched sides, so he'd need two individual sections.--Bovkaffe (talk) 07:30, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
Is Blackbeard killed by Templars?!
Thatch accepted a pardon from Charles Eden, governor of North Carolina, but quickly resumed piracy to gather more funds for his retirement. Alexander Spotswood, the governor of Virginia became aware of his continued piracies, and paid Lieutenant Robert Maynard to get rid of him.
After the blockade of Nassau by British forces, Kenway and Vane tracked Thatch down toOcracoke to convince him to return, to no avail. While Vane swore him off, Kenway was more understanding, saying he did not begrudge Thatch his choice. In thanks, Thatch informed him that the Sage Bartholomew Roberts was rumored to be sailing on a slaver ship called thePrincess.
Later that evening, two Royal Navy vessels under Maynard launched an ambush, destroying the small settlement as well as the ships anchored in the harbor, including the Queen Anne's Revenge, which forced Thatch and Kenway to make their escape aboard the Jackdaw, the only ship to survive the attack. The two soon realized, however, that they would need to capture the attacking Man O' War in order to leave safely, and subsequently boarded it.
Despite their best efforts, the pirates were soon overwhelmed; surrounded and outnumbered, Kenway saw that Thatch was in danger and threw him a pistol, but Thatch was slain and decapitated after a prolonged and bloody engagement, though Kenway and Vane were able to escape.[1
Isabelle Ardant not in Intercepted? Spoilers
I finished Syndicate a couple days ago, and I know Ardant was killed by Shaun Hasting's at the end of the game. But I think that she should also be added to the intercepted section because Otso Berg and Violet de Costa intercepted Shaun and Rebbeca's first attempt to kill her earlier in the game, even if they escaped. Does a successful assassination latter disqualify that from being considered intercepted? I wanted to ask before I did anything. If it's the consensus that it does that's fine by me, I just wanted to be sure thank you.
- Are we not gonna bother cos she wasn't technically an assassin?? Boofhead185 (talk) 04:40, November 6, 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe make a new section for proto assassins? Anyways we still need to decide on how we add them since we dont have dates for most and we need to figure out what exactly is canon and what isnt. The novel includes some things such as canon choices but also has a lot of irreconcilable differences many for the sake of brevity and erring on the side the historical over the fantastical according to the author. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 06:01, November 6, 2018 (UTC)
FrontierChris just added in the targets recently, but I'm curious as to from where and when was Kassandra addressed as a Proto-Assassin tho? Because if its not addressed as such, then I don't see the point of listing her on this list. XOdeyssusx (talk) 06:55, March 1, 2019 (UTC)
- Maybe an unaffiliated or free agent heading then? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 10:41, March 1, 2019 (UTC)
- Fwiw, for example the Champions of Boeotia are specified by the quest descriptions as assassinations. As in "Assassinate Nesaia".
- Odyssey really is putting us through mental gymnastics. In so many regards. Layla wasn't lying when she at the very start of it said it could change everything. :D Sadelyrate (siniath) 14:26, March 1, 2019 (UTC)
Okay I think there is really a need to differentiate what is an assassination target and what is not, because in Odyssey' case, alot of targets added in arent even assassination targets in the first place, neither are they killed by assassinations. I would be incline to have those that arent to be removed to prevent causing confusion. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:22, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
XOdeyssusx, I feel I must remind you that not all of Ezio Auditore’s targets were killed by assassination. Some of them he killed while fighting them. The same goes for Conner, Bayek, the Frye Twins, etc. and yet they are all listed. --Frontierchris (talk) 02:34, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- I am aware of that, which is why I trying to propose sort of a suggestion here. I wasn't even the one who listed the targets for the previous Assassins in the first place. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:39, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- I have the game and DLC myself which I played, thus I know the whole circumstance surrounding his death and determine it to be not an assassination. And, did you even read what I posted above? I suggested to differentiate what is an assassination target, what is not and remove those that arent. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:50, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- Then the article shouldnt be named Assassination target in the first place already. The originally purpose was to list down targets killed by either the Assassins or Templars, meaning each of the organizations already have an agenda to eliminate or assassinate individuals. Odyssey in this sense brings further problems since alot of targets listed dont even have an agenda listed against them, meaning Kassandra dont even have an appropriate agenda to kill some of them. XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:12, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- I don't get what you mean. If you mean my removal of Amorges' assassination by Darius and Kassandra, its because he succumbed to his wounds received during the fight, but neither Darius and Kassandra were the ones who killed him. If you wish to debate about that, I suggest you message me directly instead.XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:21, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- Darius and Kassandra gave him those wounds, but it doesnt mean he was necessarily killed by them in that sense.
- Their original intention was to find out where Elpidios' status and whereabouts. It's only because Amorges refused to reveal where he was which lead Darius and Kassandra to fight him. They had the intentions to spare him. XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:44, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
True, but like you said he refused to cooperate and they were forced to attack him. They didn’t wound him by accident so I still think it counts as a kill. --Frontierchris (talk) 03:50, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- We'd also need remove Brad for Charlotte at least then. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 03:57, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- But that wasn't an assassination is was negligent homicide or manslaughter at most. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:29, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
Tisandros and Polemion
XOdeyssusx, Tisandros and Polemion are not randomized characters, they are two of the three Athenian generals Kassandra is assigned to kill by Thaletas. Frontierchris (talk) 11:40, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
- Right, so you have to perform quests given by him. I believed I may have missed his quests because of my decision to side with Kyra. Well, then please add in the proper memory references if you know which ones are, because those references given are from pre-release sources which may or may not be reliable.
- Because killing him wasn't Kassandra's original intention. Look, currently there is a discussion on revamping this article given how much mess that has been made in particular to the definition of Assassination and what makes one an assassination target. If you are going to keep adding in individuals, I would suggest that you stop for the time being. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:21, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
New assassinations from Bloodstone
- John von Neumann, by Boris Pash – 1957
- Ngo Dinh Diem, by Boris Pash – 1963
- John F. Kennedy, by the Bloodstone Unit – 1963
- Alice Adler, by Tomo Sakagawa – 2017
- Thomas Adler, by Tomo Sakagawa – 2017
For how long is the Assassination target article going to be locked? It has been revealed that it was Alexios or Deimos who killed Phidias, and as mentioned before by Maxattac, more targets have been identified. Frontierchris (talk) 18:16, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
- It will be once it has been revised on how we deal this issue in regards to "Assassination". XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:53, April 9, 2019 (UTC)
Move to "assassination"
I could have sworn I brought up this suggestion already, perhaps in Odey's talk page, but I actually had the idea that maybe this article should just be moved to "Assassination" and be rewritten accordingly in light of all our debates about which assassination targets from the series merits mention. I think it's better to just focus on the act and techniques of assassinations themselves. I also think that because of the centrality of assassinations to this series, it makes sense that we have an article on it. I'm in a hurry right now, so I don't have time to elaborate further, but I just wanted to leave this quick note. Sol Pacificus(Cyfiero) 20:20, March 12, 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed. Especially since it's really questionable how many of Bayek or Kassandra's targets have actually been assassinated. Sadelyrate (siniath) 20:57, March 12, 2020 (UTC)