- Hmm. Who is Aquilus? -- Master Sima Yi 16:32, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
- Aquilus is the Assassin ancestor of Desmond who lived during the Third Century. Kalerney 18:15, December 30, 2010 (UTC)
I will be frank: this article is awful. It looks like nobody has any idea on how to handle this page, most likely because so few people have read these comics. Does anybody have any suggestions on how to make this page look good? Perhaps we could make a separate article for each issue; Assassin's Creed: Desmond, Assassin's Creed: Aquilus, Assassin's Creed: Accipiter and Assassin's Creed: Hawk or something like that. Would clear up the issue with the infobox image, and the comic isn't really a "French comic" anymore now that it is released/going to be released in more languages, including English. What do you guys think/suggest? -- Master Sima Yi Talk 22:14, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
- Separating the articles would at least make it a little less of dense. The entire article is text, with hardly any images. Same goes for the infobox image, which is way too small and cramped. The trivia also needs sorting, since it handles the modern day elements as if they were canon, which they are not. Though, in the end, I guess the main thing to do is make separate articles, reword the synopsises (or whatever the plural is) and throw some images in. That would make things a lot better, I think. Nesty Contact me! 15:58, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Here's what I think:
- Minor Rewording
- Separate the pages into 3.
- Update any needed information.
- Add images.
- I agree with Teller's analysis of this especially since the comics are getting another one and that would further add to the length of the article. -- ► Kaloneous ◄ ♣HelpDesk♣ 11:13, September 22, 2012 (UTC)
With lack of any more feedback, I have decided to go ahead and make separate articles for each issue of the comic series. I have also renamed the page itself because it can no longer be classified as a French comic. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 21:39, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
Genetic memory contradiction?
I don't think Desmond accessing the memory of Aquilus's death is quite a contradiction, it could have been from his child's point of view.
See gamefaqs thread:
- Please tell me exactly how a fetus can see outside of the mother's womb. Slate Vesper (talk) 23:06, October 23, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, Desmond did (from Maria's point of view), in Assassin's Creed 2, before he woke up saying something like "Weird dream...." Technically, as soon as Altair and Maria's child was conceived (which ancestor's lineage leads to Desmond) , Altair's memory ends and Desmond shouldn't be able to see anything. But he did see the surroundings from Maria's point of view for 3~4 seconds.
- Besides, the games never actually definitely state/show that genetic memories only begin from the time of your birth, and it only makes sense the memory goes on in one continuing flow from one ancestor to another at conception.
- That is what I think at least, though who knows. I could be wrong, but I just thought this was a topic worth discussing.
- I restart this talk to avoid an edit war: I think fetuses' memories can relived, and I think Animus to complete them. In fact Subject 15's memories overlapped with her fetus' ones; in Assassin's Creed II Desmond relived the aforementioned memories from Maria's fetus; and if you remember Ezio's first memory, the newborn had his eyes closed, so it's clear Animus provided that uncompleted memory with images. So why not Desmond couldn't have relived Valeria's fetus's memory? On the other side, I remember all French comic's present is non-canon (instead the past is canon), so that talk is quit useless.Re Edward Kenway (talk) 22:28, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
This borders on speculation since the comic explicitly states Aquilus to be the 'retrosubject' and doesn't make any mention of the children's memories in any context. Desmond doesn't relive the memories of the fetus, he is explicitly shown to relive Aquilus' memories at the point of his death as he is in physical pain when Aquilus is killed. -- Master Sima Yi Talk 14:26, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
- Desmond relives Aquilus' memories at the point of his death, but if he had relived pure Aquilus' memories, he would have not been in physical pain when Aquilus is killed; in fact Rebecca is desmaied when Desmond is in physical pain, but Lucy explains this saying "I think Valeria was pregnant", making guess the memory of Aquilus' death is overlapped with fetus' memories, and this is the reason because of the genetic link did not immediately interrupt at the moment of Aquilus' death. So it's clear the next memory is fetus' one.--Re Edward Kenway (talk) 21:28, August 24, 2015 (UTC)
- There is a good point here, though, in that the comics do break from our understanding of how the Animus works. The premise has been since AC1 that the memories are encoded in the genetic material of the subject, and there is no genetic material being transmitted post-conception. Desmond might have been able to witness Aquilus's death via the mother or the fetus (arguably in neural link but that's speculation), but the comics don't explain how he feels the sensation. It's a break in science for him to do so in a series that has tried to maintain scientific methodology while introducing unproven premises. DarkFeather Raven's NestRaven's Hunt 19:04, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
- Probably a good idea. But how would it be set up? A bullet-point list of canon vs non-canon aspects? A paragraphed clarification on the values of the comics' canonicity? Also, to be fair, the whole article is in desperate need of a revamp. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 18:12, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
- I was thinking we could address the canonicity of the comics per trilogy. There is a huge difference between the non-canonictiy and contradictions between the first three and the Hawk trilogy. The Hawk comics barely contradict the established events from the games. Actually, all the trivia currently on the page is about the Ankh of Isis comics. This would also make the main page a little more clear. (Flash (talk) 11:00, July 14, 2016 (UTC))
Name change proposal
I propose the title of this article and mentions of it be changed to Assassin's Creed (bande dessinée). I feel it'd be easier to understand what it is at simple glance ("It's a French comic!") while also not having the unwieldy publisher name + comics. Honestly I'd be fine if it were just Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes). As it stands, I think the title is unwieldy and unnecessarily descriptive. Thoughts? — Zero-ELEC (talk) 18:12, July 13, 2016 (UTC)
- I fully support idea of renaming page title from "Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes comics)" to "Assassin's Creed (Les Deux Royaumes)".
- Also should we change name of them in main series like this . - Kulurak (talk) 12:25, July 14, 2016 (UTC)