Misspelled word on template
I've just noticed that on the template for the Apples of Eden, it says "Notable weilders". Shouldn't that be "Notable wielders" instead?
I would try to fix that, but I can't change that part. Slate Orchid 16:34, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
I think there might be a mistake, due to recent developments. This article states that Altair's apple was passed on to Elizabeth I and eventually Ghandi. if this was the original story of the second apple, it is likely that this is has been boycotted, as it is more likely that Desmond will recover the apple in the next game.
- "it is more likely" is speculation. We only handle facts, and unless stated otherwise in the games, it has to stay with facts. -- Master Sima Yi 23:41, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Artifact from Masyaf ended up in the hands of Abstergo, and was already lost in the DIA satelite accident before the events of AC1, as stated in that very game. It's not gonna be recovered, just like it wasn't the same Apple that Ezio had during his life. Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 00:01, February 24, 2012 (UTC)
USE OF ALTAIRS APPLE
I am confused on how Altair's apple could have fallen into the hands of Elizabeth and Ghandi. From what i understand Altair took the apple from Al Mualim in thw middle ages (roughly 1100 & 1200) and spent quite some time studying it before his return. It was revealed to us in the last installment of the series that Altair kept the apple with him beyond his death. If i comprehend correctly, he trapped hisself in his "library" and sealed it up extremely tight! Then Ezio used the artifacts to unseal the chamber (in roughly 1500+) and discovered the intellegence of keeping it hidden away all the years. So after Ezio, who would have been able to open the doors before Queen Elizabeth and Ghandi initiating a possession line that eventually include them??? Solo assassin 03:25, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
About the "who would have been able to open the doors before..." i would say that Ezio helped pretty much, since he was the one who opened it in the first place, but it is not stated that it was ever closed again, so if the library's doors and Masyaf castle's gates stayed open after Ezio left in the end of ACR, anyone could have entered there. About how it reached Queen Elizabeth and Ghandi, it is not hard to imagine how they got, as there can be plenty of possibilities, but the important, at least for the game, is that they got and used the Apple, not necessarly how.
BOS 06:49, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
More Abilites to the Apple?
Isn't it worth mentioning to say that with enough humans to believe in what the apple says, it becomes real? I mean, it was one of the solutions the First Civilization had before the First Disaster. 220.127.116.11 06:10, December 21, 2012 (UTC)David
- Connor and his tribe didn't have any Apples. What they had were Crystal Balls. -- ( • ) 01:52, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
Darby says that Abstergo refused to use Apples 1, 3 and 5 to replace the one Cross destroyed (2) because they weren't... "tasty" enough, he is implying that the 2 and Ezio's were more powerful than the rest. Link: https://twitter.com/DarbyMcDevitt/status/691500511095300096 DipsonDP (talk) 07:01, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
- Dipson, there's no way Darby was being serious in that tweet. Crook The Constantine District 08:53, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
- The Apples thing is indeed a big plot hole without an explanation, and that "joke" gave a proper one. That plot hole basically kills the need for Desmond as Subject 17, why to make a joke about it and assume that? DipsonDP (talk) 19:09, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
- Because Darby is known for trolling the fans occasionally. If this ever gets stated in one of the games, fine, but I refuse to see "Ezio’s apple was a red delicious. The others were a granny smith, a braeburn, a honey crisp, and a fuji, in that order." (what even?) as proof that Ezio's apple was somehow more powerful. Crook The Constantine District 19:44, January 25, 2016 (UTC)
Things Al Mualim says
Now that the Apples Al Mualim mentions have been added to the list, I'd like to modify what has been stated in the article.
Textually, it says: "Al Mualim once remarked that Apples had been used by Moses to turn his staff in a snake and to part and close the Red Sea, by Eris to start the Trojan War, and by Jesus to turn water into wine."
The association is kinda fine, but it doesn't really explain the real nature of these events. In Memory Block 7 (Memory 1) Al Mualim reveals that these events didn't happen physically, they were illusions: "The Red Sea was never parted, water never turned to wine. It was not the machinations of Eris that spawned the Trojan War, but this! Illusions, all of them!".
I think putting something like this will do: "Al Mualim once remarked that Apples had been used to create powerful illusions across history: For example, it was used by Moses to turn his staff in a snake and to part and close the Red Sea, and by Jesus to turn water into wine. Also, he mentions that an Apple of Eden was responsible for starting the Trojan War and not Eris." (Maybe Paris got an Apple of Eden somehow and used it to hypnotize Helen and took her to Troy or something like that).
That'd be interesting. If the part of the Red Sea was an illusion, that'd turn Moses into a mass murderer. In the universe of AC, of course. (?)
- I never took Al Mualim's quote to mean Apples specifically but Pieces of Eden in general, especially since later it was revealed that Jesus and Moses possessed Pieces other than Apples. As for the Trojan War my headcanon is that Paris traded an Apple for the Devotion Prong and used that to abscond with Helen. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 02:19, February 4, 2019 (UTC)
- Personally, I always thought Al Mualim was talking about Apples when he was mentioning all of those events. The way he talks, the way he moves, the way he looks at the Apple while speaking all of that stuff... I also thought that the Apple he had and the ones used by Jesus or Moses were one and the same, but Nah. This seems to confirm the Apple showed to him the truth about the parting of the red sea, some of Jesus miracles and blah blah blah. This also seems to confirm that the Apples share some kind of connection between them, some Isu Wi-Fi that shares information across space (and maybe time).
- Anyway, I'm going to proceed. Thank you c:
- EDIT: Come to think of it, one retcon the brand team could do with this would be saying that Al Mualim was wrong. He believed they were illusions but actually the parting of the red sea and Jesus turning water into wine did happen. In ACIII, among the solutions Juno told us, is one that could make thoughts reality. She says that the Apples were able to create stuff out of nothing if humans were put there and forced to believe. If you ordered them to believe that there was a tree, the tree appeared in front of them... Pretty fantastic if you ask me... :/ Cristophorus35 (talk) 20:08, February 6, 2019 (UTC)