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Shouldn't Mario Auditore be next to Ezio in the Assassin Ownership column?

Al Mualim

why is Al Mualim placed under the Assassin Associated Ownership?

Well, technically, despite his betrayal, Al Mualim was actually an Assassin Grandmaster. :P Also, please remember to sign your posts! :) --Piratehunter (TalkContribs) 23:56, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

First or Second?

All of the related pages say that the First Apple was the one used by Altair and Ezio, as well as the one stolen by Adam and Eve. As far as I'm aware, there's no evidence backing up either of the claims. In fact, the e-mails in AC1 (specifically, the one on the conf. room computer) call the one that was destroyed in the DIA Accident "no. 2". According to Lucy, this was the same one found by Altair. As for Adam and Eve, at this point, we have no way of knowing which one was the one they stole. 18:50, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


I can only assume from the ending of Bloodlines that Altiar took the Apple with him from Cyrus as he headed east with Maria. Also the Templar Archive in Cyprus was destroyed. How then do the Templars in AC2 get the Apple from Cyprus? It shouldn't be there. I can't recall where Armand Bouchart had the Archive moved but that seems like the place they would find it, though i don't know how Altiar lost it in the first place.

- Altair went back in his older age and put it there before his death for safekeeping. He says this in the Codex.

None of this makes sense, unless Lucy was wrong, or Altair ran into two apples. The Templars got an Apple from Cyprus in AC2, yet, the Apple that Altair most of his life, he locked inside Masyaf before he died. What Apple was in Cyprus, then? 15:43, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

From what i understood, the apple Rodrigo Borgia's men found in Cyprus was another apple (Ezio's Apple of Eden) that was already there. Altair wrote in his codex, in page 26, that he thought that Cyprus would be a good place to hid his apple (Second Apple) but something happened that led him to give up that ideia (maybe because of the fact that the Templars have retaken their Archive in Cyprus, as stated by Altair in his third memory in ACR), so he kept his Apple and hid it in his library/vault in Masyaf with himself. Years later Abstergo got Altair's Apple, and it was destroyed in the DIA Satellite Accident, which ocurred before the events of AC1. And sometime later Desmond's team found Ezio's Apple hidden beneath the Colosseum in ACB. So, i guess it is highly improbable that the Apple Ezio got in AC2 and Desmond got in ACB was the same Altair got in AC1, but maybe that Ubisoft wanted to make it seem like it was the same Apple, to draw some confusion and questioning between the us, until they finally revealed the truth in ACR, or it was retconned or some other reason.

BOS 06:11, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

inconsistency napoleon-houdini

Maybe i have a solution for it. It's offcours unlikely that the apple that Houdini and Napoleon used, would be placed back at his precise location where Ezio left it. But is it certain Ezio uses nr.1? As we have seen on the map of altair at the end of AC 1, and by the numbering of the pieces, thee are a lot of PoE's, so why not more than 5 apples? Assume that the apple used by Ezio is nr.6, and because it has been 500 years under the colloseum, it hasn't been used by anyone in history, so it doesn't show up in the truth puzzles in ACII.

Just a thought

EXistenZ! 09:15, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

No, there is no proof that it is the First Apple. Therefore, we must create a separate article for the Apple seen in-game. -- Master Sima Yi 00:16, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering the same thing as EXistenZ. Since there is no proof it's the same Apple, I'm thinking the trivia bit about the inconsistency should be removed or at least edited. Anyone disagree?
Hylian90 04:50, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
We will put any information about the in-game Apple in Sixth Apple. -- Master Sima Yi 09:58, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

I can move it in the next couple of hours, if no one disagrees. I was really wondering about this too, since it seemed like such a huge inconsistency for Ubisoft to make. -- A Black Rabbit 23:11, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
Hey,Im glad that some one cleared this up,as this apple has been used through out history and could not be the same one used by Ezio and Altair,which is the Sixth Apple.FrazzleDazzle 09:22, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

It's Piece of Eden, not apple

Why do you people call it Apple anyway?
There is no evidence it was apple indeed. All the texts IRL (and in-game i Guess) say about fruit, not apple.

... -- Master Sima Yi 15:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

If I remind it well, characters ingame (not presentday) sometimes refer to it as apple. Rodrigo Borgia did it when confronted by ezio in venice, and also Cesare calls it Apple. Out of my head, i cant name any others, but i'm sure there are. I assume it is to make a difference between the staff and the sword, since not all PoE's look alike.
EXistenZ! 17:11, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

If you recall from the "true" history of human kind and the Gods, it was the Pieces of Eden causing "miracles" or other events, although the events in and of themselves actually happened. They were made into different things, like the Staff (Papal and Tsarist staff), the Shroud (what caused Yeshua's ressurrection), the Sword, etc. This Piece of Eden is made into a sphere, and ended up being involved in a //wide// variety of Apple myths, indicated by one of the Glyphs puzzles, where you have to select all of the mythical paintings involving Apples. It's why it earns the moniker (nickname) "Apple of Eden". -- A Black Rabbit 23:07, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

No proof that Templars have any Apples

Apple pages should be no longer edited to say "Under Templar possession" or something similar. Even though glyphs tell us that 5 apples were used by the Templars, we known one was lost when Hitler was killed, and we don't know the status of the other 4.

The Templars clearly don't have access to other apples by 2012, because they are so desperate to acquire another one after the one that they had was destroyed in the DIA incident. 07:11, December 10, 2010

First, please sign your post by either using four tildes (~) or pressing the Signature button. It's easier to be able to keep track of conversation. :)
Second, I can agree with your top paragraph to a point. However, I think a "Unknown, last in <group> control." would not be incorrect, and would explain things from the very beginning of the article. Where we go from there is speculation... which is what your second paragraph is. Saying "they've lost it" is just as much a stretch that "they've got it". The e-mail from Alan Rikkin in the Conference room states that they're looking for multiple artifacts, and that the satellite is just one stage in their plans. If you'll remember, people like Altair, Ezio, and Desmond can't be controlled by their minds, but they can be physically inhibited (displayed by the end fight with Al Mualim). There is definitely a need for more than one, and an even greater need that the Assassins don't get a hold of any more to provide a resistance.
There's reasonable evidence that the Templars hold Apples 1, 3, and 5 (and formerly 2, before its destruction, as well as the artifact that was destroyed/went missing/stopped working in the Philadelphia Experiment). Subject 16 only notes their (the five Apples) presence and what large world event it was involved that it ended up changing hands, and the implications of how far the Templars have effected the world. I don't think thats necessarily indicative of saying "the Templars lost them all". They may have lost it, they may still have them. *shrug* But I think a mention that its probably under Templar control wouldn't be amiss. Thats just my two cents, though. -- A Black Rabbit 10:17, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
The game gives little further info on any PoE really... Look at the Sword. It was taken from Joan of Arc in the early 15th century, roughly just a few decades before Borgia became influential in Rome as the Templar leader, yet no mention of the sword is made...
As for the Apples, it's definitely an either way as to who has them now. I say only that they probably don't have any because if the Templars had any Apples, they'd be all clear to launch... but on the other hand, it's very unlikely that Abstergo can just "lose" 3 apples within a few decades. Hopefully the next game clears things up... at least 50 of these artifacts... it's overwhelming to imagine. -- Vaxis 2:21, December 11, 2010 (UTC)


why does it say that the assassins didn't had the apple?

Because they didn't (at least not this one). It's been theorized that the main AC Apple is the Sixth Apple, not the First. =GuardDog 18:26, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

those who came before

its mentioned in Eris's page that her apple was the first apple of eden, and seeing as the gods were real in the assassins creed universe, doesnt that mean Eris and Aphrodite are also owners, since it belonged to Eris, and Aphrodite got it from Paris of Troy??? Tdhartjenatyahoo


So, how did they explain the shrinkage of it in Unity, in the podcast? Is it a retcon that applies to every Apple or just this one? --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:04, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Jeffrey said they're made in different sizes. When he denied it was an Apple he didn't want to confirm it and spoil the fun, but he deleted it when he realized it was misdirection. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 20:05, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Good to know they're keeping people misinformed for months for the sake of "fun and speculation", and change established things for no reason. Oh well. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 20:09, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
I think he deleted his tweet pretty quickly actually, but the screencap kept going around on the internet obviously. The "different sizes" thing is still ridiculous though. Crook The Constantine District 20:12, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
I'm gonna risk giving Ubi ideas - you'll find out the the "materials that shouldn't exist" used to fabricate the Apples are some form of Bio-Mechanical compound that grows/shapeshifts over time. There's a cheap explanation why an Apple grows from egg size to full palm in the span of 18 years.
But then again, we had shapeshifting Staves of Eden already as well. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie 21:18, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Back when we were still under the impression there was only one Staff of Eden, yes. -- Master Sima Yi Clogs 21:33, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

David Brewster apple?  Spanish assassin (Talk) 10:52, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

You realize you've linked us a Spanish video, even though most of don't speak Spanish? :P But if you're saying what I think you're saying, then, no, "Apple of Eden 1" is probably not the Apple Brewster was experimenting on. After all, it was destroyed in the explosion, meaning any recorded uses after 1868 would have been impossible. Crook The Constantine District 10:56, December 18, 2015 (UTC)
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