Category talk:Assassin branches

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Not deprecated but redundant

It looks like this category was replaced with the assassins guild category. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 20:02, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

As I had explained to Jasca before, not all Assassin branches are or were guilds. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 20:36, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

Can you explain and cite the differences to me as well? We have a page for guilds and other for bureaus and cells but none for branches. That might need to be rectified. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 22:19, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

"Branch" is just a descriptive, general term that covers guilds, cells, and Assassin branches that predate the guild system established by Altaïr ibn-La'Ahad. Now, due to retcons, I'm not entirely sure if there were still other other Assassin branches (like one in Egypt and one in Persia) prior to Altaïr's reforms. However, the guild system ceased to exist sometime after World War II or most definitely with the Great Purge. In the 21st century, all regional Assassin branches seem to operate with the cell system of organization, and some of our current articles on Assassin branches involve those we know to have been cells but have yet to canonically appear as guilds. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 22:26, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

Gotcha. Is there a good canon source to brush up on the distinction? Also I wish Ubisoft was better with its reference material and used them to truly help in wouldbuilding. Anyways it sounds like a lot of the Brotherhood pages need revamping then. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 22:33, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, the main source for this is The Essential Guide which also elucidated the concept and organization of guilds clearly for the first time. I know it's not the most authoritative source unfortunately. I also don't have access to the newest edition, so I don't know if it the information on Assassin branches has been updated. Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 22:40, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

Just to give an example: the Japanese Brotherhood of Assassins is a branch of the Assassins that was organized as a Guild during the Sengoku period but in the 21st century is a cell. Its article encompasses both its time as a guild and as a cell, not one or the other. An additional problem though is that it's not clear if under the cell system, a branch like the Japanese Brotherhood can contain multiple cells or if each cell is officially one branch. (There was an edit conflict with this comment) Sol Pacificus^(Cyfiero) 22:40, October 16, 2019 (UTC)

We should just create our own organizational structure and send it to Ubisoft. Like the Hidden Ones is a branch; within it it has at least an Egypt guild and Roman guild; under the Egyptian guild there are bureaus in Memphis, Sinai, and possibly Alexandria and else where. At some point the guild in Rome turned into its own branch, the Liberalis Circulum, which had its own Roman, Gaulish, and Iberian guilds. The Assassins would then be another branch with a guild in Alamut, another in Masyaf, and later Constantinople and Venice. A region could have guilds from different branches but those would usually join and become their branches. All this is headcanon of course but half tempted to put it on the wiki to trick Ubisoft into canonizing it. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 15:53, October 19, 2019 (UTC)