Talk:Grand Master of the Templar Order

Do this and Grand Master of the Assassin's Order deserve their own articles? All important information already is on the main factions' pages. This seems kind of pointless to me. -- Master Sima Yi 13:10, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * A precedent has been set by the Novice, Master Assassin and other rank/title articles. So I would say yes, unless you're challenging the other articles as well. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 02:00, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not. Just leave it like this. -- Master Sima Yi 15:46, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Branches
There are several branches of the Templars, as shown in AC II (Rodrigo Borgia - Leader of the Italian Templars). So it is possible that there was another Grand Master for, say, the English Templars. What would be the best way to mention this in the article? -- Master Sima Yi 15:46, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're probably right that there are more branches, but I don't think I've seen any source of proof in the games of this. So if this is not mentioned in the game, then I would leave it out. - Altaïr 17:51, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, there's the fact that Jeanne d'Arc was burned by the Templars, probably English, and I doubt that the Templars would've gone to Italy right after that all of a sudden. And Rodrigo's database entry says "Leader of the Italian Templars". If there would've been just one branch, they wouldn't have needed to say "Italian Templars". -- Master Sima Yi 15:55, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem is that we can only speculate about the others. Likely it's the case that they were united under one Grand Master during the crusades, but split up under several branches afterwards. Maybe because they expanded. But that's all speculation, which we can't put it. Altaïr 18:06, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that. But there has to be something that confirms what I said in the game... -- Master Sima Yi 16:13, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can't we just write something like, 'The database reveals that Rodrigo Borgia led the Italian Templars. So far it's unknown who led the other branches.' Altaïr 18:17, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, as you said, let's just leave it out since there's no real confirmation of there being more than one branch. I'll look for some kind of confirmation once I have my copy back. -- Master Sima Yi 16:19, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hey I wonder... Why were most Grand Masters in the Middle East french?Le Vulpe 23:10, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well it was mostly the English and the French who led the crusades I think --Altaïr 00:13, October 11, 2010 (UTC)

hey..wasn't cesare borgia become grandmaster of templar like his father???why no one's put his name and pics in the article?


 * No, Cesare wasn't become grandmaster. Is it ever said he was? No. -- Master Sima Yi 09:06, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice mockery there.. :D -- T H I E F 09:27, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Cesare killed Rodrigo, then he was arrested, then he escaped and went on the run before being killed. So I think it's pretty unlikely he ever became Grand Master. Subject One 20:24, January 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * If he wasn't, I wouldn't have put it up there, now would I? I sourced it. It's said in the Brotherhood novel, where it says he went on to lead the Templars after Rodrigo's death. -- Master Sima Yi 20:30, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ahmet
Ahmet is a Grand Master. There is a Grand Master leading the Byzantine Templars, as evidenced in the memory "The Yerebatan Cistern". If you take a look at the Encyclopedia, specifically Manuel Palaiologos' section, it says "A younger and more charismatic man, Ahmet comfortably slipped into the role of leader," That, plus the fact that Ahmet was pulling the strings in the Ottoman Empire, putting Manuel Palaiologos in charge of the Masyaf expedition (source: memory "Escape"), makes Ahmet the leader of the Byzantine Templars; thus, the aforementioned "Grand Master". -- Master Sima Yi 20:07, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2+2 =/= 4. Ahmet is called a leader, yes, but never the leader, and certainly not "the Grand Master". Yes, there is one particular cutscene wherein a Grand Master is mentioned, but a personal name is never given. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:16, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wrong. I just finsihed the game a hour ago, and Ezio specifically states that he is in charge of the Templars. I can't remeber the exact phrase, but Ezio says something in the means of "Ahmet is the guy in charge behind all this shit". Sima is right. -- D. Cello 20:19, November 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know if any world in which 2+2 is not equal to 4, but that might just be me. And no, he is not called "a leader", he is called "the leader". And yes, Ezio says that Ahmet is the "person leading the Templars here" in a letter to Claudia, right after the Cappadocia sequence. -- Master Sima Yi 20:20, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * So. Doesn't mean he's the Grand Master. You forget, Cesare attacked Monteriggioni without his father, the Grand Master in Italy, giving him permission to do so. People are more than capable of acting above their station; and what I mean by "2+2 =/=4" is that just because we know something to be true, doesn't mean that's the case in this particular fictional universe. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:22, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Jasca, there's NO one above him -- after he died, the Templars fell in dissaray. The operation in Masyaf collapsed, and Ezio didn't faced ANY intervention getting to the library. That clearly indicates that he WAS the higher ranked leader there -- without him, everything went to dust. And he was royal family and ready to be a sultan -- you really think he would be below someone taking orders? He was the Grand Master, even if it wasn't said with those exact words. -- D. Cello 20:25, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * And you know that for a fact? Coz I'm pretty sure I played the exact same game and read the exact same encyclopedia as you, and not once is it mentioned that Ahmet is the highest ranking Templar in that particular area. So what if he's a Prince and heir apparent to the Sultanate. That has nothing to do with the hierarchy of the Templar Order. The fact that Ezio faced no "seen" intervention in getting to Masyaf after Ahmet's death is circumstantial; and I continue to maintain the key point in this issue, which neither of you have yet tried to dispute. Not once has the words "Grand Master" and "Ahmet" ever been mentioned together. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 20:33, November 29, 2011 (UTC)