Talk:Ezio's Apple of Eden

Who is Neutral?
I took out Napoleon and Houdini, seeing as the Glyphs puzzles indicate that is the First Apple? I also took out Abel and Cain and "Adam" and "Eve". For the former, do we know for sure its the same Apple that Cain killed Abel for? Does the corresponding Glyph puzzle indicate anything? For the latter, I'm inclined to put them in the Assassin category. If not, it should at least be debateable (if it //is// the same Apple, although I'm inclined to agree because the only Apple you actually see is //this// Apple), because the current (and probably correct) theory is that Adam and Eve are one of the progenitors of the Assassins. Thoughts? -- A Black Rabbit 23:42, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

What the hell!?

 * Where the hell has this come from? -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:11, December 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seeing as the Apple held by Altaïr and Ezio is clearly not the First Apple, nor any of the other ones, we had to make a different article for that one. So we made it into "Sixth Apple". Though let us now if you have a better suggestion. :) -- Master Sima Yi 13:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * The apple ezio and altair use, has been buried under the colloseum for 500 years: from where ezio left it untill desmond picked it up. Therefore, i can not have been used throughout history like the glyphs tend to tell. So the apple that desmond finds, can not be nr.1, 2,3,4 or 5. So there has to be at least one extra, what we call the sixth. Also remember the map at the end of ACI, that showed many more pieces of eden
 * EXistenZ! 14:34, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * The term "Sixth Apple" is effectively a fandom chosen name, however not necessarily an inaccurate one. As it's already been stated why, unless this is a huge error on Ubisoft's part, they have to be two separate Apples. I'm personally on the side of "this wasn't an oversight on Ubisoft's part". I suppose "Altair's" or "Ezio's" Apple would also work, but then again, a number of people have held the Apple over the years until Ezio's placement of it in the Renaissance. -- A Black Rabbit 22:58, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just sent the com dev a question about the apple. I've also asked about when Shaun and       Rebecca  suddenly disappear in the final scene. The Eagle1701 06:44, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Add to template?
"Sixth Apple (?)" should be added to the Pieces of Eden template so that people can gain a little more clarity on the issues between PoE 1 and the in-game PoE. Also, shouldn't Crystal Skull be added as well since Project Legacy has confirmed the easter egg from AC1's email? - Vaxis, 12:26 CST December 5 2010

I didn't at first, only because it was in the developing stages and there with issues with the pages existance (which are hopefully solved?). I can add it.. and probably begin moving over the pertenant First Apple history stuff that is more attributed to the Sixth. -- A Black Rabbit 09:03, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Other Owners?
Could not we Assume that this "sixth apple" is rather one of the five previously mentioned as it was found in the ark of the covenant? I mean just thinking logically... doesn't that mean its the same one Moses found? I'm sure he had a numbered one... Also Al Mualim mentions Jesus used it and so did many others. Or are we gonna stick with "Sixth"?

Knilo 12:01, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

yes it is the one that was found in the temple Of jerusalem, but read again why we think that this is a sixth one. The apple was burried under the colloseum for 500 years by ezio. Hence, none of the historical figures from 1500 onwarths who used any of the pieces of eden (1 to 5), like shown in the glyphs, could have used it. therefore there must be another apple, the one used ingame. Also, moses used the staff, not an apple.

EXistenZ! 11:49, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I do know that I figured that out my self and was previously wondering how Ubisoft would explain it. I was just wondering if some other owners had it before Altair as it can't just have appeared in the ark... maybe it would be reseonable to suggest that Moses was one of the previous owners (we know he had at one point an apple of eden)?

Knilo 12:01, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well the glyps don't mention everybody who had a piece of eden, so i assume that there are others who had a piece (and maybe we come to know of them in future games). But it can'tbe moses for as far as we know, cause he only held the staff

EXistenZ! 11:57, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think that you are correct in saying that... but that still leaves the question: Why the hell was it in the Ark of the covenant?

Knilo 12:00, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well was it really the Ark? Like altair said "there is no such thing", and we know that some religious phenomenon are derived from the pieces of Eden. It could be just a shrine, cause Jerusalem still is an important place for a lot of religious people: jews, christians and muslims.

EXistenZ! 13:35, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think User:Knilo meant why was it in the Ark, not that the Ark itself was the PoE. :) The answer would be because they forgot the history behind the orb, and that they thought it was the gift or presence of God. If you read about the actual Ark, you may glean some more information. The Ark is said to have contained the Commandments Moses was given by God, and placed within (and there were at times where the Presence got so much [probably the Apple being activated] that men had to leave the room) the Ark. There's also a number of other stories involving the Ark, including someone who accidentally touched it to stop his fall that got smited by God. Er.. back to my train of thought :). I just watched the end sequence, and he only says "the seas never parted, water never turned into wine". And then a bit before that, he calls the Apple "the Word of God". Which... would probably make Moses an Owner (at least from the //actual// history), but then again we don't know if Al Mualim was talking about all the PoE's in general (he probably looked into the Apple a number of times, and so must have seen it), or just the Sixth. Either way, I was under the impression that the Shroud was the only PoE Jesus had?


 * re: Sixth Apple naming. It's already been covered a number of times, but unless we can find another appropriate name for the article, it's probably going to stay as is. This Apple is never given a number, so it's a fandom name for the time being. :) -- A Black Rabbit 22:19, December 6, 2010 (UTC)