Talk:Piece of Eden

The staff can make you invisible!!
in assassins creed 2 rodrigo uses the staff to turn invisible. It would be interesting to identify the locations on the map. - Redmess 17:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=2RrcUFAj8aM&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3D2RrcUFAj8aM

Some intresting comments here. The Truth video is the ending of Assassin's creed II. There is something about Adam and Eve or something? I didn't watch for I didn't want to see the ending for myself on youtube.--86.21.153.45 12:49, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Find all the glyphs(20 of 'em) left by Subject 16. It is Adam and Eve, or at least two people with the same name. That is confirmed by the actual video that you see in the game.--71.50.136.97 05:13, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

New Codex Map
The completed codex map viewed through eagle vision at the end of ACII is pretty interesting. A lot of the dots are the same as in AC1 but some are different and there is now 47. Also, there are 8 Assassin's seals. Personally, I think these seals represent the temples that Minerva spoke of at the end of ACII. These 8 seals appear to represent America(New York), China(Xiang), Norse civilization, Kingdom of Nri (Nri-Igbo), the Majapahit empire (Trowulan) and the Galapagos Islands(for whatever reason). The other two seals are located in parts of the ocean where no islands exist (south of Australia and West of South America(it is too far away to be Easter Island)). Also of note, one of the dots appears to be right in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, which is usually where Atlantis is depicted to be.

I think that the assassin's marks on the map are peices of eden that the assassins managed to obtain/seal up at the time of writing.--CloudHiro 11:18, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

slightly offended
"Altaïr is described as being "arrogant" and "a traitor" - like a certain angel named Lucifer who rebelled against the laws of Heaven...for Altaïr believes that people should have the free will to decide their own destinies." the very purpose of god is that men are given free will, were we not the devil wouldn't have had free will to choose to leave, get the picture? i know it isn't a huge deal to people who aren't Christians but to me putting Satan in a good light is a very bad thing,i suggest someone at least remove or alter the part about Lucifer, if you want to be ignorant of religion, then at least have the decency to not mention it so blatantly.Toolazytomakeaaccount 06:00, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

well, its not ment to be a religious game, in fact, in the continuity of the game its sujested that all the religions, wars, times of peice, and leaders were actualy caused by people manipuating the peices of eden. (for instance, its sujested jeasus used A Apple peice of eden to give the people hope in the faith of a higher power, and used the shroud peice of eden to resurect himself after death) its not ment to be a real world cannon, just game cannon. dont take it seriously. just think of it as a alternate universe to ours :) Though the game is right though, way to many massiahs of various religions have very similar stories, born from virgins with names that start with M, the 3 kings, etc. Christianity is the newest one to have this story. Really makes you think honestly. Not that I dont beleve in god mind you. I do. I just dont beleve in religion because far to many people use religion as a excuse to do terrible things and so on, like the holy wars in the dark ages, or terrorist suicide bombers very recently. what I beleve that it doesnt matter what religion you follow, as long as your a geneneraly good person. (ends rant mode <.<)--CloudHiro 11:31, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree that the game should be viewed as a parallel universe, although I find that it is leaning against Catholocism more than other religions because the templars are based within the catholic church, their leader becomes the pope, the catholic leader of Britain is a templar ally, Minerva says "beware the cross" not beware the templar or those that stand in your way but specifically the cross even though it is no longer a templar symbol like abstergo's banner, it just seems a little biased in that direction. Otherwise not a very offensive game since the concept of free will and freedom from bondage by injustice (Those Who Came Before and Humans) are central to most religions in one form or another. Also religion should not be bashed because it is used as an excuse for evil, patriotism, family, and personal welfare have been used for evil as well. Does that mean they should be given up? Also, 3 kings? What are you talking about? The Magi were mentioned specifically in christianity and nowhere else. Mary is also not a repetition why would the jewish founders of Christianity use pagan traditions? Their culture forbade the teaching of such religions to jews and the prophecy of the virgin birth was written down hundreds of years before by the prophet Isaiah. They chronicled Jesus' life as they saw it from their own experiences, whether or not the miracles are true is up to you, but why would a bunch of fishermen even try something that crazy if it was just a copy of what came before? Your argument has no basis in reason. Lastly, Fanaticism is not caused by religion. Religion is only one outlet for fanaticism to latch onto.--24.160.152.192 05:50, December 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to agree to CloudHiro. This is just a game, and many religions are based on the same fact. To be true, every god is the same god, but with different points of view. Let's not discuss something as personal as religion here, this is a game's page. if someone feels offended by something as minor and fictcious as a game, one must stop and think about his life so far. My opinion, though. -- D. Cello 16:45, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Confirmed Artfiacts: Sword?
Could be Excaliur? Or some other kind of mythical sword? Just to throw in some ideas.

By that I mean something humanity could´ve mistaken for Excalibur

The Piece of Eden 25 (26?) IS Excalibur, among many other things, because there is a picture in one of the glyphs showing King Arthur pull the powerful sword out of the rock. Perhaps King Arthur was a prophet, and that's why only he could move the Piece of Eden, like only Ezio could open the vault?

Against the religions around the world?
Some people in the world say that AC series is a game that denies their religions existence. Especially on the three Abrahamic religions, where many of its beliefs based on one true God that came to be believed, because of the miracles and powers caused by the pieces of Eden around the world. I know guys its against us but its Just a game...

Actually i think the game explicitly says that every religion is wrong and the pieces of eden or whatever made everything. Ya that is bullshit, but it makes for an interesting plot and shouldnt be taken seriously. I do find it interesting that there is a disclaimer at the beginning of the game stating it was made by people of various cultures and faiths though...hmmm

It's fiction. Stop being offended.

The Theories Section
Is just way too cluttered, and a bunch of the theories aren't even backed by any sort of evidence/fleshed out by any explanation. Some are just ridiculous. Since most of these have been created purely by arbitrary conjecture, could they be moved into the discussion and OUT of the article?


 * Here it is. -- D. Cello 15:18, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Theories About the Piece of Eden and the Other Artifacts

 * 1) In the Truth video, Adam and Eve both see human workers or slaves in some sort of factory. Maybe the Piece of Eden was controlling the minds of the slaves and Adam and Eve were immune to its power. Perhaps Altair and Desmond are descendants of the two.
 * 2) The artifacts protect earth somehow.
 * 3) We are told by Dr. Vidic that they were left by Those Who Have Come Before.
 * 4) The Artifacts also seem to have other abilities like time travel (it is mentioned in the e-mails on Lucy Stillman's computer). It is possible that they were made in the future and, for some reason, sent back in time. Perhaps when the Piece of Eden was damaged in Assassin's Creed, the map was not showing where to find the other artifacts but it was picking a location for it to travel to safety.
 * 5) There was a race of beings on Earth, whilst dinosaurs lived, that created the Artifacts. And it was no meteorite that hit the earth, but some huge explosion caused by the Artifacts that ended much of the life on the Earth at the time.
 * 6) Desmond and his ancestors all have some sort of link with the Artifacts, which would explain why they can resist its power.
 * 7) (Please edit later as the proof can be found on Youtube) Adam and Eve (who had blue, glowing lines) managed to steal "The Apple" by using free-running (Supporting theory 4) from the Garden of Eden (which looked more like a facility with seemingly enslaved workers working to build possibly more pieces). All of this can be found by finding all the glyphs left by Subject 16 and unlocking the video, "The Truth".
 * 8) It has been suggested that at some point multiple Pieces of Eden became centralized and governed over by a council of Templars and dispatched to parts of the world in which they perceived there power to be in jeopardy. This can be assumed form the decoded glyphs Ezio helps Desmond uncover in Assassins Creed II. In one such message a world map is shown with a number of high level dignitaries and historical figures, all implied targets of assassins, all of which were directly involved with restorations, or attempted restorations of trappings of power. IE: Mary I of England whom is on the list, Following her father (Henry VIII) creation of the first Protestant state, as well as his standing objection against Pope Paul III, remained a catholic and on her coronation went about persecuting all whom rejected the church's power. It can be assumed she was given a piece of eden by the Pope, or other machinations of the Templars to bring England back into the fold. As she is canonically referred to as assassinated by in game content, it can be assumed that instead of confiscating the Apple, the assassins respected the lineage and bestowed it upon Elizabeth I. (This is not fully true as some on this list also represent apparent Templar assassins whom were killed in vengeance for being successful in some measure (John W. Booth).)

Dude, much thanks. The article looks much better. - BlackCataclysm 10:24, November 28, 2009 (UTC)

Labeling Piece of Eden 1
In this article, Piece of Eden 1 is listed as being the Piece of Eden possessed by Altair, as well as by Adam and Eve. What evidence points to this? I myself am trying to clarify which piece of eden was used by Altair, but I can't find any evidence indicating that this was, in fact, the one he was using. Anyone know for sure?

Guest (IrvineTomoe) 01:03, December 17, 2009

I'm also confused. On the PoE page, it says that the Second Apple was the one destroyed in the satellite incident. But there are other claims that the First Piece of Eden, the one possessed by Altair and Ezio, was destroyed as it refers to the destroyed Apple as the "Masyaf Piece of Eden". I think there's a bit of confusion there.

Andorran Mobster 02:59, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

It was Piece of Eden 1, the apple that Altair got which was destroyed in the satellite incident, Vidic states this in Asassin's Creed when Desmond asks him if they are after the Piece of Eden he sees, he tells Desmond that they already found it. As we know it turns out they are looking for the map. It is also told that The Masyaf piece of Eden was destroyed in the satellite incident on the computer, which is the first piece of eden.

(Turny 03:25, January 16, 2010 (UTC))

The Apple and Altair
1. The Apple And The staff are the only pieces of eden that are shown in both assassins creed games 2. Altair created the codex pages as *once you complete the game* and explains about the apple and its powers 3. Altair keeps the apple in his possession until he dies its all explained in the codex 4. the pieces of eden in the games are used to create devices (for example tesla)


 * Where the staff appears on AC1? -- D. Cello 16:50, December 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * it doesnt Killer 14:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Map
Why wasn't there Antarctica on the holographic map of the Earth shown at the end of first game? Or have I simply overlooked it?--Erik1310 18:26, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it only showed Land masses, not ice (and theoretically fragile and temporary) terrain. -- D. Cello 03:16, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

A. Perhaps the Apple was created when Antarctica wasn't known about? B. Perhaps it is simply how the map looks. C. Perhaps only continents with Pieces of Eden (or Vaults?) are shown on the map.

antarctica is a continent, not a big block of ice...

as for why it isn't shown, my guess is that it wasn't viewed as relevant.

Category and Item?
Shouldn't this article be split between the PoE that is featured in the first game (ie. the apple) and the actual category as a whole? Because at the top of the page it says "The Piece of Eden is one of several ancient objects left by Those Who Came Before, possessing different effects, that is able to bend people to the will of the user." The sentence alone doesn't make sense. I guess what I'm trying to say is; is this article about the first Apple seen in AC1 or the category of artifacts seen in AC2? --Billylemmon 18:39, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

JFK
It says here that JFK was (!) assassinated by the Assassins. But from the Truth files it says that Abstergo assassinated him. Perhaps it should be edited with a new symbol for 'Confirmed Assassinated by Templars' or something?

Beirut 14:48, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Resistance
As seen in the battle of forli dlc, when ezio touches the peace of eden, Niccolo and Mario are both dominated by effects (they fall to the floor immediately) while ezio and leonardo are resilient. So why isnt Leonardo affected and Mario is? (J.h.jaraub 00:52, January 29, 2010 (UTC))

I personally think that Ezio's and Leonardo's resistance is not a matter of genetics or bloodlines but Willpower. That there is nothing special about the Auditore family, and Ezio simply does have the Willpower to resist while Mario does not.

"Unconfirmed"?
In the Trivia section there is this paragraph: "During the battle against Rodrigo in the Sistine Chapel, Ezio creates "clones" much like Al Mualim did against Altaïr. If Ezio is customized, the other Ezio will be dyed with different colors and equipped with armors whereas when he is not customized at all, Ezio's clones will be perfectly identical to the real Ezio (Unconfirmed)."

If the customization refers only to dye, as the linked article suggests, I can confirm this is wrong. I was wearing Altair's armor but I have not changed the colors in a tailor shop, but the other Ezios still had different colors.

-- Toa-Nuva (user page / discussion) 00:07, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Symbols
Should we delete the "(A)", "(T)" and "(!)" symbols? It was a pretty original idea, but it just seems so disorganized. And we don't know for all characters wether or not they were Templars/Assassins, so putting it at only a few might be misleading. And, if readers don't already know if they were Assassins or Templars, they might be encouraged to find out more about them. -- Master Sima Yi 16:17, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmation on a sentence or I'll change it
I noticed while reading that a generalization (a type of error in logic) occurred, however if anyone can back it up, I will leave it be, the line reads: "There is a a good chance that Altaïr also passed on this gift to Desmond Miles and his other descendants." (In reference to the ability to resist the mind-control power of the PoE.

I believe that this should be changed to "There is a chance..." as (at the moment) the nature of the "gift" is unknown. I'll leave this a few days and change it if no one backs it up.


 * The Animus 22:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

This is a wiki you don't have to ask about changing errors or rewriting sentences as long as its about the AC games and not a fanfiction about them than there no need to ask about making changes TitanGunz 00:21, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

I knew that I just wanted to give whoever put it there (or anyone) a chance to back it up because it may actually be true, you know what I mean?


 * The Animus 17:57, February 6, 2010 (UTC)

Confirmed/Possible Pieces meshing?
I think we should merge some of the Confirmed/Possible Pieces of Eden, notably the Golden Fleece and Spear of Destiny. In both the Piece 66 and Golden Fleece sections, it mentions Jason - this should make it clear enough that they are one and the same. As well, the Spear of Destiny fits the Staff Piece well enough to be merged.

Hewkii9 23:51, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Just because they refer to an individual owning both doesn't mean that they're "one and the same". The very characteristics and myths behind the Golden Fleece and the Spear of Destiny don't come close to matching at all. The same applies to the Spear of Destiny and the Staff. Just because the Staff can be used as a spear doesn't mean that they're the same. The Staff is used for mental manipulation and the Spear of Destiny has its own abilities. I just don't see the evidence to even consider what you're suggesting. -- Reqυiem 04:35, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

What happenend to Apple 1 between AC1 and AC2
It´s a bit confusing... Altair had the intention to hide his PoE in the Archive at Cyprus but instead kept it with him. But then, the same Piece had been recovered from Cyprus hundreds of years later by Templars and was brought to Venice (in AC2) and "stolen" by Ezio. So, wth happenend here? According to the Codex, Altair still had it when he was old. I was wondering... when or why was the Apple brought back to Cyprus? As stated at the PoE Page, it´s the same Artifact in both games.

Star and apple
star (shape) inside apples

star (ball of hydrogen) perhaps inside The Apple