Talk:Jacob Frye

Jacob Frye's Shilling Necklace
Did they mention about his Shilling Necklace. Since it was mentioned as a give away to those pre-ordered or something I would thought it would be an important plot point. --Cococrash11 (talk) 16:51, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * Didn't catch anything regarding a necklace - it might be similar to Arno's pocketwatch. Striking, but ultimately possessing little relevance to the plot. 16:56, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * I believe it's a preorder bonus, at least I've seen that mentioned in a few articles. I agree with the above^ in that it's like Arno's pocketwatch, in that it doesn't really serve any purpose to the plot. Echoh98 (talk) 17:26, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * This is pre-alpha footage, so it may just be an oversight, or it becomes important later on. Slate Vesper (talk) 18:30, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Is Jack the Ripper was his alter-ego?
Jack/Jacob? It's a familiar name, could it be his Alter-ego?


 * Doubt it. Syndicate takes place during 1868, while the Ripper killings were committed around 1888. Also, please sign your posts. 06:32, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, "Jack the Killer" is something you just made up. If you mean "Jack the Ripper" then I suppose it is entirely possible, but it's not something likely to be covered in this game, if only for the dating issue (as pointed out by Crook). --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 21:31, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well there is a Jack the Ripper DLC for the game coming out next month, so he could be. It's possible for a nice guy like him to turn crazy during the 20 year gap between Syndicate and the DLC, however Jacob is married and with children during this time-this comes from the birthdate of Lydia Frye, his granddaughter-and experts believe Jack the Ripper was not married or had any known children. But we'll just have to see; suspicious as Jacob is not shown in the trailer but Evie is. GamerSophie (talk) 03:24, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

I think we can say with certainty that Jacob is not Jack the Ripper, since we know that Jacob was alive during World War I and trained Lydia alongside Evie.--Bovkaffe (talk) 19:16, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

Outfits
I've uploaded some images for alternate outfits that were available, but some (particularly the "Gunslinger" one) are not available yet. If someone has an image of that outfit, please upload that in the gallery.

Also, as for outfit names, I know Ezio's full name, but I haven't written it because that's how the game (at least the PS4 version) designates it, while Edward's outfit is designated by his full name.

Jetfire343 (talk) 14:25, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Dreadful Crimes
So I was playing Syndicate and I finished the Dreadful Crimes missions, when Jacob says 'The Gruesome Whitechapel Murders' by 'Artie' when he mentions something Artie should write about. However, all the murders in the missions happen in different boroughs, not one of them in Whitechapel and they weren't gruesome; but the murders of Jack the Ripper were. Why would Jacob mention something which would happen 20 years into the future? Hmm... GamerSophie (talk) 03:20, October 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * Did he say this in a particular mission or after finishing all of them? I've played most of the Dreadful Crimes so far, but always as Evie, so I haven't heard anything in that vein. It could simply (hopefully) be a reference. 22:17, October 26, 2015 (UTC)


 * He (SPOILER) said it at the end of the very last mission to Artie when he and Evie save him from Henry Raymond. You don't need to play either of them to hear it as it is a cutscene. GamerSophie (talk) 13:58, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * I played the mission today - to me, it appears to be just a cheeky reference from the writers to the Jack the Ripper killings. 14:33, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * It would be awesome if it was a hint to what would come though, if you get what I mean. GamerSophie (talk) 15:25, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * I would disagree on it being awesome, seeing as I don't want silly boy Jacob to become ruthless serial killer Jack the Ripper :P 15:31, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * True, but he isn't as he is alive and well after 1888, and if the twins killed Jack the Ripper-and it turned out to be Jacob-he wouldn't be 'evacuated to the countryside' during WWI. It would be an awesome plot twist though, seeing him have Multiple Personality Disorder. GamerSophie (talk) 16:34, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Master Assassin
Who said he was a master assassin. Even in the game he says in a conversation with Evie "That relentlessness will see me become a master" "George would alow nothing of the sort" It is clear he has not got the rank plus his overall skills do not compare with a master assassin more of a brawler with very little insight into the creed or its purpose.


 * Lead writer did... despite that very quote lol. 17:18, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think he meant Master as in Mentor of the British Brotherhood, not Master as in Master Assassin. GamerSophie (talk) 17:29, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


 * Doubt it. The terms are not synonymous, so he should've corrected me. 10:43, October 29, 2015 (UTC)


 * The Frye twins are not specifically stated as being Master Assassins especially the youngest to do so because in the in-game universe of 2012 in the database entry for AC3 Shaun says that Altair is the youngest Master Assassin so that means that any assassin prior of 2012 did not usurp Altair as the youngest Master Assassin. Also the 2015 in-game universe data base entires (especially for Syndicate) do not refer to them as being Master Assassins and does not discredit the information in 2012.ConmanWAR (talk) 00:43, November 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * It's time like this I think we should stringently stick to our Sourcing policy. It says that in a time of direct conflict, we follow the games. The Lead Writer may well have said (on Twitter, I should point out) that they were MAs before the game starts, but that clearly doesn't match up with what we're shown in-game. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:12, November 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * ^ If we are talking about the games then it is not mentioned that Jacob and Evie are not master assassins. In AC3's database entry of Altair (in game universe-2012) it says that Altair is the youngest known master assassin in the brotherhood's history, meaning that any assassin prior to 2012 did not usurp Altair as the youngest. Even the latest game's database entries have not corrected this as even Syndicate their is no mention of Jacob or Evie being master assasssins becuase it would not be lore friendly. The only way for Altair to not be the youngest is if a modern day assassin became the youngest to reach the rank of MA. Otherwise it goes against the lore and will most certainly upset the fans who have been here since the beginning. Furthermore, the game director for Syndicate, Scott Phillips, said that Evie was the "master of stealth" and not particularily a Master Assassin and there is little substantial evidence to claim Jacob is one either. Also, AC3 was released in 2012 while Syndicate and the characters were being developed in 2012 so the smaller aspects of AC3 such as the database entries would correlate with the new characters that were being developed at the time. This wiki page is supposed to offer the most relaible information and facts to the fans and claiming that these two characters are master assassins with litttle substantial evidence is not only offensive to the fanbase but also is unfriendly to the very lore of the series. ConmanWAR (talk) 01:35, November 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * They've been referred to as Master Assassins in a multitude of pre-release material - I will admit those are not always accurate though, given the whole 'Connor Kenway' thing. However, you citing the 2012 database in AC3 is not a valid argument, since Shaun evidently didn't know about the Frye twins until Syndicate, so it's very possible he would have to amend that quote regarding Altaïr being the youngest Master Assassin.


 * I am certain Evie has been referred to as a Master Assassin, exactly because of her skills and stealth capabilities. Jacob too has been called a Master Assassin at least once in a Ubiblog or something similar. Syndicate would not have been in development in 2012 lol. The focus then would have been on AC3, they'd started on Black Flag and the very very beginnings of Unity (aka when the storyline was still being created and probably was nothing close to what we ended up getting). If Victoria Atkin was only cast in late 2014, I can only guess Syndicate had started development in early 2013 (and that's optimistic), well after AC3's release. Besides, it's not like Ubisoft doesn't retcon things - remember Connor being "the first Native American to join the Assassins", and then we got Opía Apito, Ah Tabai and Kesegowaase.


 * I think Jasca has a point, but I'm still conflicted over this, so I'm hoping Yohalem will provide some further explanation on Twitter (or maybe in a podcast later). If we don't get any clarification, however, I believe the trivia should be removed; I don't see any reason to doubt that Jacob and Evie are/eventually become Master Assassins, but without Yohalem's tweet, there's no real information on when they attained that status. 09:01, November 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well from the events of the game they'll probably become Master Assassins now. It's not everyday two Assassins free London from Templars. GamerSophie (talk) 15:55, November 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * ^ I doubt it. Take Arno from Unity for example. He killed a master assassin, freed Paris from the Templars and killed not only the grandmaster but a Sage as well and he didn't become a master assassin until the age of 40. ConmanWAR (talk) 01:35, November 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Even the trailers and pre-release interviews called Jacob and Evie Master Assassins, and it wouldn't be the first time that contradictions occur in the series. Also, where does it say that Arno only became a Master Assassin at the age of 40?--Bovkaffe (talk) 06:05, November 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * It doesn't say anywhere that Arno became a Master Assassin at the age of 40. He became a Master Assassin, but not at that age. GamerSophie (talk) 08:30, November 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Arno became a Master Assassin between 1794 and 1808, meaning he could have gained the rank at any age between 26 and 40. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:54, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

The twins would not have gained the rank after freeing London as they defied the council. If anything they could have been expeled. Jacob especially he has no interest in the creed and acts more like a brutish thug then a master assassin.


 * They liberated the heart of the British Empire, basically THE center of power of the world at the time, from the Templars' grip - no Council, no matter how ignorant would have expelled them for that. Also, please sign your posts. 19:57, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

Reasons why Jacob is not playable in the Jack the Ripper DLC
The Season Pass tells us Abberline requests the assistance of Evie to stop the madman Jack the Ripper, not Jacob. Can we think of a plausable reason why he is not playable/one of the main characters in the DLC? (WITHOUT SUGGESTING HE IS JACK THE RIPPER HIMSELF). Can it be that he is out of London or he is just ill during that time? Or that Abberline, knowing how Jacob is, does not want him on this case but someone who can think things through like Evie? GamerSophie (talk) 19:46, November 7, 2015 (UTC)

Jacob already had a child by 1888, meaning it's plausible that there's no further access to his memories. -- 15:57, November 8, 2015 (UTC)

That doesn't actually make sense. You can still access his memories even if he had a child; it's his memories. When they're born his memories after having a child doesn't get placed into the child, just his DNA and later on his memories. GamerSophie (talk) 16:00, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * That's how genetic memory in Assassin's Creed works, GamerSophie. Once a child is conceived, the recording of genetic memories continues through that child. As a result, any memories of the parents following conception cannot be relived by descendants. We saw this in AC2, when Desmond had that Bleeding Effect experience where he relived Altaïr conceiving Sef with Maria. Altaïr then left, but Desmond "stayed" with Maria, as the recording of ancestral memories had jumped from Altaïr to Sef. 16:08, November 9, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ahhh thank you for explaining that to me, I bought the game but lost the CD because my brother thinks that they are frizbees. :p. Okay, So we can all conclusively say Evie did not have children before 1888? GamerSophie (talk) 16:25, November 9, 2015 (UTC)