User talk:XOdeyssusx

Feel free to contact me on my talkpage if you need anything. Master Sima Yi (talk) 14:56, August 28, 2017 (UTC)

Sourcing
In addition, there is no need to remove text from text bubbles when making images from comic pages; a big white empty bubble isn't necessarily preferable. -- 08:18, September 7, 2017 (UTC)
 * My apologises for that. I will make the changes as soon as possible. XOdeyssusx (talk) 08:51, September 7, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing this! Two more things: do try to refrain from using entire pages as images, and there's nothing wrong with cutting out some blank space from a panel if it makes for a clearer image. -- 07:57, September 8, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll take note of that. Thanks for the help! XOdeyssusx (talk) 08:31, September 8, 2017 (UTC)

XOdeyssusx, you don't know how much I appreciate you uploading the images to the weapon articles I'm creating, saving me so much trouble. However, even though you are providing the most important part of each image sourcing: the licensing, you can't neglect the others either. This includes the Attention!, a note explaining how you have edited the image; the source, that is which game even if it is obvious; the author, which is usually Ubisoft; and the description, which is just what it is. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 06:23, October 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll keep that in mind. XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:16, October 5, 2017 (UTC)

Looking through the latest images uploaded here, I'm a bit confused on your sourcing. The infobox is correct and sourcing ArtStations is all good, but why do you link to the jpg image itself instead of the post? For example, for this Hippodrome concept work, instead of linking here, you link here. Sourcing the jpg alone makes it harder to see the artist's profile and any other AC works they have, as the viewer will have to search "[artist] + ArtStation" instead of clicking the hyperlinked name on the right sidebar. -- Darman  ( talk ) 17:16, April 7, 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey there Darman, apologies for the late reply. Previously, I was kind of following Bovaffe's method of sourcing those images and have not being paying much attention to those links. Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I will go ahead and much the changes to the links. Thank you. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:03, April 8, 2018 (UTC)
 * XOdeyssusx, you're not late. Being in completely different timezones, this delay is inevitable. I'm sorry for sounding blunt. I only meant to provide a tip, though my "wording" could have been better. You've great dedication to uploading images; keep up the work! -- Darman  ( talk ) 03:45, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Origins link
I don't know whether this is due to editing in visual mode or whether you're unaware, but I've noticed multiple times where you've tried to link Assassin's Creed: Origins to a page, it appears that you've added Origins twice into the link seperated with a vertical divider, only for the second one to be italicized inside the link, for example:

Assassin's Creed: Origins

It would be much easier to add the following in source mode:

Assassin's Creed: Origins

If this is a case of using visual mode, it would be more beneficial to consider using the source mode as it helps to avoid implementing unnecessary code or needless spacing to links. Slate Vesper (talk) 01:12, November 12, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hmm, damn I wasn't aware of those errors. I've been using classic editor and source for most of the articles though, so I have no idea why. But I will keep note of those, thanks. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:17, November 12, 2017 (UTC)

Need help?
Heya, it's nice to see new editors around here. I used to be like you some few years ago and kinda helped out in filling up Assassin's Creed: Syndicate when it came out. I know it gets kind of exhausting some times, so I gotta ask. Do you need help in filling out the main pages? I'm still working on the AC:Heresy information but if I got the extra time, maybe I can assist in some way, like revamping or reviewing formats? Keep up the good work, btw! Misphantom (talk) 06:49, December 2, 2017 (UTC)


 * Hey there Misphantom. I'm doing my best to contribute whenever I can, given the lack of contributers right now. So, it will be really great if you can help out whatever you could. That will be really much appreciated! Thanks :D XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:04, December 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure, mate! I was wondering though, whether you play on the PC? Screenshots are really needed to complete character profiles and maybe if you could spare some time? But it's ok if you're too busy... Misphantom (talk) 07:34, December 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, I play the game on PC. Right now, screenshots is currently not one of my priority lists, given how many of the character profiles are also in need of expansion. I'm also currently busy with real life commitments so my focus would probably be on the others instead. But my holidays is coming up soon, so I will probably have more time do those I suppose. XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:43, December 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks mate. But if I do find another source (usually MadeinMasyaf is our screenshot source), I'll let you know. Kudos! Misphantom (talk) 07:58, December 2, 2017 (UTC)

Sekhmet and Letopolis
I think your timeframe is off. I believe how it went was years ago the city was dedicated to Sekhmet but there was a drought so they priest sacrificed themselves along with the city in return for better Nile flooding and it was buried beneath the sand. Years later, possibly decades or centuries, Taharqa decided to reclaim the city by digging it out and rededicating it to Horus. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 11:36, April 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not really sure what you meant by timeframe, since no proper time period was given as to when the priests did the invocation). But based the memory dialogue, its seem more likely that the priests considered Taharqa's act as an of sacrilege, thus they made the invocation only recently, not just to sacrifice the city to Sekhmet in exchange for the nile, but also as a message to Taharqa, but replacing Sekhmet with Horus. As such, I dont think the invocation takes place hundred years prior. XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:01, April 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * The town crier Ramessu says things are being reclaimed from 'the old world' while Bayek says the incident with the wab priest happened 'so long ago'. Furthermore he says that to the wab priest it 'would be sacrilege'. The use of the subjunctive mood indicates to me that the priests were dead before Taharqa's time. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 12:27, April 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmm, now that you have said it, I think your explanation makes a very good point. And it makes no sense the city would be largely covered by the desert if the invocation happened a few years prior to 48 BCE. Since there's no time period given, its kinda hard to make out which timeframe it happened. Anyway, if you wish to make the changes to the respective articles, go on ahead. Thanks for bringing this up. XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:51, April 7, 2018 (UTC)


 * I edited the Sekhmet page but it might need some cleaning up; I’m not the best writer. Another big reference in the game are the scrolls found in the Old Library under the Temple of Horus which is also where I got the info about Maahes. Also of note, Bayek seems to reference the priests' invocation during Taharqa's death scene saying that the desert winds will blow the sands back in reclaiming Letopolis in response to Taharqa claiming he will be remember as a builder of cities. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 04:22, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Gentes Page
Hey I made a gentes category to fall under families and moving all the Roman gentes into that instead of the families category. Are you fine with that? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 16:14, June 24, 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure go on ahead. XOdeyssusx (talk) 16:18, June 24, 2018 (UTC)

Superfluous information
I think that the page of Caesarion does not need to mark Species: Human at Biographical information. It is superfluous. A.gao.96  11:37, July 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * Whilst we respect your view that the information is superfluous, it is there for a reason. With the character base expanding with each new release, we have a variety of new human and isu characters making appearances. There needs to be a quick and easy way to advise readers as to the species of a given chracter, and the infobox is the place to do that. That is why, going forward, we are including a character's species in the infobox. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 08:55, July 12, 2018 (UTC)

How we do for Sage or individuals with a high rate of Isu DNA as Desmond, Arno or Jeanne d'Arc? Isu-human hybrids as Adam and Eve? If an individuals used a fragment of eden or have eagle vision could count to have Isu DNA?Francesco75 (talk) 09:03, July 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * Sages are 100% human, but I have taken to listing each as "Human (Sage)". As for Adam and Eve – the only known hybrids to date – their articles do not yet contain infoboxes, but if they did we would list them as "Hybrid". --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:07, July 12, 2018 (UTC)

Hello
How is the famous xOdeyssusx? Daryurian ( The Mighty Turian ) 09:03, September 10, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm doing fine so far, though quite busy with internship. How about you? XD

P.S I'm not as famous as Cyfiero :P XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:19, September 10, 2018 (UTC)


 * Lol you are far too humble and I am good lol. Daryurian ( The Mighty Turian ) 14:13, September 10, 2018 (UTC)

Fat Homer's ethnicity
I didn't add ethnicity-category, 'cause even though it's an 'Egyptian' area, 'Homer' is a Greek name. What's your reason for thinking him to be Ethnic Egyptian? (Sorry if too blunt. Just curious.) Sadelyrate (siniath) 12:15, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
 * Though I agree that Homer is a Greek name, the name 'Fat Homer' itself seems more like a nickname rather than his actual name. As such, I believe he should be categorised under the "Unidentified Individuals" category. Regarding his ethnicity, I just assumed he's an Ethnic Egyptian, since as far as I recall, his model is that of an Egyptian, but it's wrong of me to assume that. Until that is confirmed, the Ethnic Egyptian category can be removed and added back in if anyone is able to get an image of that. Apologise for that. XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:24, September 23, 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed on the nickname. Just dug up some playthrough videos featuring the side quest (The Hungry River - about to revise that page), and seems like Fat Homer can be barely told apart from the bandits he leads... but those bandits look like Greek soldiers, rather than their Egyptian counterparts. No need to apologize, imo. We're all here together. :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 12:39, September 23, 2018 (UTC)

Talos the Stone Fist
Hey I saw you added nationality and ethnic categories for him. I had previously deleted them since the description changes game to game. Mine says he’s from Persia while on various YT videos I’ve also seen it say Mykonos and Argos. I think I was hasty in deleting the nationality cat since he is in Greece but I’m going to ethnicity cat again as unless it says in the novel there is no canon ethnicity for him. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 01:10, October 3, 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah I must have missed out the part regarding the ethnicity part. I really mixed about this though since my game state his from, which is a Greek colony. If I am correct, there are a number of Greek colonies which had been assimilated into the Achaemenid Empire, which may be why they give his origin as being from Persia. I highly doubt the novel are going to include details in regards to the mercenaries, in addition to their ethnicity and nationality. Either way, I hate that Ubisoft made their place of origins randomized which gives us wikia such a tough time of editing. My apologies that you had to remove the category again. :/ XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:20, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Description of Farm in Flames
Hey Odeyssus, I saw you added the description to Farm in Flames, are you sure that is correct? As that's the description of Old Friends, Old Problems. Does Farm in Flames have the exact same description? I can say from experience that that description was used for Old Friends, Old Problems in my game, but haven't gotten the quest Farm in Flames myself as i had done the objective (destroying the farm) beforehand and the quest was auto-completed. Kennyannydenny (talk) 13:38, November 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Hey Kenny, thanks for letting me know the issue here. Yes, it looks like I made a mistake regarding the description, which is indeed for the Old Friends, Old Problems quest. I'mma get around changing the description for the Farm in Flames quest. Apologises for the confusion XD XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:43, November 1, 2018 (UTC)
 * Haha no probs, we're all human. Thanks for fixing it! Kennyannydenny (talk) 13:45, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

Tombs in navboxes
Hi, I disagree with moving tombs from the ACODMemories navbox to the ACOD navbox. reason being is the ACOD navbox is a mess really, and if we added all the tombs it would just be too big and be messier than it is. thats why i think they should stay where they are in the ACODMemories navbox. Boofhead185 (talk) 04:45, November 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree that ACODMemories is also messy as well and needs a lot of rearranging. But they are called memories for a reason, while the tombs are not. Tombs do not have a dialog unlike those in Origins(even though the dialogues are just "Ancient Writings from the Old Kingdom) and they are simply locations. Putting them in the memories box makes no sense to me. XOdeyssusx (talk) 04:52, November 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd like to add that technically the Papyrus Puzzles and Ainigmata Ostraka are also not memories (nor classified as such in game unlike the Nostradamus Enigmas) but just document collections.Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:18, November 21, 2018 (UTC)

re: The Escapists Spy
Hi XOdeyssusx, I think Garcia's page may need to be either deleted or reformatted to a general page (somehow). I just finished playing The Escapists and my spy was Acosta. Now not only do we have different names between just us two, but when I replayed it, the name changed again. This seems to occur with every Corrupt Merchant, Executioner, etc., unless they're targets like Eugenius, Ramírez, etc. As it's impossible to dig into the code and find the list of names Ubi used, what about an Inquisition Spy page? -- Darman  ( talk ) 07:20, November 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Jeez this is like the mercenary issue in Assassin's Creed: Odyssey all over again >.> Yeah that would be a better idea. We could indicate the random names and etc in the Trivia section. Please go ahead and rename it. XOdeyssusx (talk) 07:29, November 27, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah all target names of non main missions or rift events are randomly generated. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 07:47, November 27, 2018 (UTC)

Description
I'll quote Sol Pacificus concerning this:

"If you just write "description", it suggests that it's a description given in a video game (which is what it is). What is the source of the description in-universe?

For further clarification, "description" by itself isn't a proper attribution and only a little better than attributing a quote to "quote". Of course, it's a description, but described by whom or what? Absent this information, readers will assume that it refers to a description provided in a video game, i.e. a game's description, because that is the only thing it can mean without context, and hence it would be OOU." Sadelyrate (siniath) 09:25, December 6, 2018 (UTC)


 * Well, I was not made aware of this when this was how I laid out several articles previously, but then. I wasn't sure how to write it down appropriately. Then perhaps'In-game description about 'item'? Or unless you have a better suggestion about writing in IU.
 * And also, I would really appreciate if you could stop removing the information entirely based on your perspective of not knowing where the information comes from. I gave my source, even though I understand the problem lies with what you stated above. Thank you.XOdeyssusx (talk) 11:39, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * And also, I would really appreciate if you could stop removing the information entirely based on your perspective of not knowing where the information comes from. I gave my source, even though I understand the problem lies with what you stated above. Thank you.XOdeyssusx (talk) 11:39, December 6, 2018 (UTC)

Stealthy Operations
Your Rift has DNA for Rosa? Because mine has Shao Jun, but prob because I unlocked her and Rosa early via DNA cubes. I thought these Events were standardized? - Darman  ( talk ) 14:40, December 7, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure about this. It seems like the DNA are standized for those characters that you owned, I believe. I didn't have Shao Jun, so that's why she didn't appear for me. But I have the others such as Luis and Maximo as the other rewards in the progression. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:46, December 7, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have Maximo and Luis, too (relatively easy to acquire), but I didn't know Top Prize was based on your recruited heroes. So who do we put as the character to unlock? Or should we ask around a bit, see if there are any other DNA irregularities? - Darman  ( talk ) 14:59, December 7, 2018 (UTC)
 * I think we could check with Lacrossedeamon, who has the game as well. Otherwise, we have to check with the game content creators for this. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:03, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

OotA and Cult of Kosmos
Didn’t you see my Cult of Kosmos allies discussion? I said that in that in the second episode of Legacy of the First Blade Kassandra/Alexios found a letter from the Order to the Cult while searching for clues on the Tempest. I saw it on a walkthrough video on YouTube.
 * I have not yet completed the 2nd episode, so I may not be sure of the complete info. Can I ask you to share what are the details in the letter? XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:12, January 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * The final sentence in the letter said “We’ve done your cult favors and we’ve come to claim ours. Signed the Tempest.”
 * I did tried to look for some footage, so you were correct. My apologies. However, I added just the Order itself only without listing down the members since no confirmation of all members working with the Cult. Indicating just the Order itself should be enough. XOdeyssusx (talk)
 * Do you think maybe the Cult wanted Xerxes to take over Greece so they could unite or merge with the Order?
 * I'm not too sure about it. Both have their set of beliefs which varies, it may be different or the same. That's why both of them are sorta predecessors to the Knights Templar, since they share the same sort of beliefs. So I'm pretty sure they may merge at one point, just not during that time. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:42, January 17, 2019 (UTC)

Mercenary articles
You said that the pages for Klymene the Beautiful Justice and Nora the Snow Leopard could remain, why are they still marked as candidates for deletion? Frontierchris (talk) 19:03, January 18, 2019
 * You are free to remove the article's deletion tag yourself, you don't have to come to me. As long as you could provide proper sourcing and back up your articles properly, it should be fine. XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:25, January 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually I don't know how to do that.  You see I mostly start articles for others to add to.  I started by adding articles to Red Dead Wiki and that one doesn't seem to function the same way this wiki does.  Do you think you could clue me in on how to back it up and start a referance bar? Frontierchris (talk) 20:50, January 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, you could start by reading the policies we have in place here in the wiki. That should give you some basic tips on how you should write the articles. Also, you could take a look on some of the articles we have created for various individuals and get some ideas from there. Also, on a seperate note, please include your signature at the end of your message instead of the front. Thank you.XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:48, January 20, 2019 (UTC)

Cult of Kosmos lists
I added those ships because they are a part of the Cult and I thought it would be interesting to include them. Why is there something wrong?Frontierchris (talk) 01:49, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * Those ships are not part of the cult, their captains are part of the Cult. There's there difference in that. Also, we currently only include individuals who are members and their allies/puppets only. That's why I remove the weapons and ships you added. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:28, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * Would you mind if I started a seperate category on the article and added them to that?Frontierchris (talk) 01:49, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, we have never included them in the articles on the various organisations (see articles like the Templars, Assassins and their respective branches / rites). We do have something like a category page for the ships (e.g. and  ), so you could start off by creating the respective articles on the ships used by the Cult of Kosmos members and go from there. Also, please do remember to add your signature at the end of your every message with ~ . XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:39, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * Well if you've never included them before then why not start now, I mean it's not a bad idea to include the firepower or vehicles these organizations have.  Frontierchris (talk) 01:47, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm of the opinion that we should stick to current layout of the articles. I don't think there is a need to add in firepower/vehicles since they are of, if any, little relevance to the article itself unlike the members. Having the categorisation for those transportation is already good enough. Also, the weapons the Sages of the Cult used have never been shown to be use by them. Sure they possess those, but that they dont utilize it nor does the Cult made them. But this is just my point of view, other editors on this wikia may disagree otherwise. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:00, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, it's just that I'm tired of my contributions being deleted, and it's been happening plenty of times now, not just on here but on Red Dead Wiki as well.Frontierchris (talk) 02:06, January 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * I understand your situation. Most wikis, including this, have their own set of policies on how articles should be laid out, so if users make edits that they are not aligned with what the wiki have in place, then it would be mostly changed or remove. You can start off small somewhere and if you have an opinion or suggestions for improvements, you can talk about it on the respective talk pages. We also have a Discord server that you can join and discuss this kind of information. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:17, January 23, 2019 (UTC)

Quotes
"It's actually the attribution that's OOU. If you just write "description", it suggests that it's a description given in a video game (which is what it is). What is the source of the description in-universe?

-For further clarification, "description" by itself isn't a proper attribution and only a little better than attributing a quote to "quote". Of course, it's a description, but described by whom or what? Absent this information, readers will assume that it refers to a description provided in a video game, i.e. a game's description, because that is the only thing it can mean without context, and hence it would be OOU. For comparison, if we provided a quote from database entries in Brotherhood, we can attribute it them to Shaun Hastings (the IU source) or at the very least to "Animus database entry" since that IU, the database exists. But if we just called it "description", it is unclear what the source actually is and implies that it's a description in a video game.

The issue is that we don't know who wrote these descriptions for Odyssey in-universe, since it's certainly not Shaun, and we also don't know if IU, these descriptions actually appear for Layla or if the descriptions are just meant to be taken as exclusively OOU gameplay features for players." If you want to further discuss this, I suggest taking it up with Sol, who told me that on last November 22nd. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:21, February 7, 2019 (UTC)


 * Apologies for the delayed reply, had to settle some stuff. Although I can see where you are coming from, I thought approaching Sol himself would provide me a clearer explanation. There's no issue about who wrote those descriptions or not, meaning therer's nothing to do with Layla or Shaun. The issue here is rather the quoting part.
 * Either way, our idea is that we can remove those quotes, but rather than removing the quotes entirely itself, we can integrate it to the body of the article somehow since afterall, some of those information could be useful for this. If you're okay with this, then I would proceed to remove those that currently have those quotes and integrate it somehow. Unless you have another suggestion of course. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:11, February 8, 2019 (UTC)
 * If we'd know who we could attribute the quotes to, they'd be free to stay. Afaik, the only item description quote in Odyssey that we can attribute properly is the Artifact Fragment-bit, given Layla signed it with "-LH".
 * Incorporating the info in a description into the article itself is fine. Another might be to put the descriptions into the table with the statistics and level and all. Sadelyrate (siniath) 14:50, February 8, 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I don't think that issue would be addressed anytime soon since Ubisoft don't really pay attention to it.
 * I don't really think putting in the table is a good idea, it looks kinda weird and afaik, no such arrangement has been made for the previous weapon/equipment articles with the table statistics. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:58, February 8, 2019 (UTC)

Helping out
I don't add all the stuff you mentioned on purpose. I'm only openning new articles for others to add on because I don't have the game, and you guys are better at it then I am. Frontierchris (talk) 02:42, February 8, 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes I can see where you are coming from and I'm grateful that you try to help out in those various articles. But do understand we have some set of guidelines we have to follow in regards in the articles. Yes you open up the articles, but you cannot just put in the smallest amount of information because visitors and viewers may think that the article is just 'that' when there is more to be put into them. You are allowed to draw the information from YouTube etc. That is fine, but the primary source of info is still the games and first hand media itself because that's usually where the most accurate information comes from. Editing is not a skill that we all pick up straight away, we all have to start from somewhere so you can try and improve in whatever areas you can. XOdeyssusx (talk) 08:20, February 8, 2019 (UTC)

I think the Dagger may have been in league with the Cult of Kosmos after all. I recently found out that the cultist Skylax was stationed in Euboea at the time, and I think those corrupt Spartan soldiers, who sided with the Dagger, may have been under his command since he was a general. Frontierchris (talk) 16:06, February 11, 2019 (UTC)

Linking Articles
How do you link a source to something outside Assassin's Creed Wiki? Like Twitter for example.Frontierchris (talk) 15:56, February 19, 2019 (UTC)

XOdeyssusx? Frontierchris (talk) 16:49, February 19, 2019 (UTC)

XOdeyssusx, can you please tell me how to link a source to something outside Assassin's Creed Wiki? Frontierchris (talk) 14:39, February 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * One time is enough as it is, dont need to repeat your sentence. You use the [] tags. Basically you first indicate the url of the article you want to list down followed by the title you want to display it as e.g. Assassin's Creed III Remastered: Comparison Trailer | Ubisoft [NA]
 * Words of caution though, we highly do recommend that you use gameplay videos as your primary source of information, even if it happens to be videos involving AC itself. Since the gameplay videos are ultimately the player's old playthrough and whatsoever, we would prefer if you source articles from the game itself. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:53, February 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I mean we do highly do NOT* recommend that you use gameplay videos as your primary source of information. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:46, February 20, 2019 (UTC)

Actually I’m only trying to source my pictures like you said. --Frontierchris (talk) 15:55, February 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes even for images, preferably would be recommended if you take and source it from the game itself rather than gameplay or walkthrough videos by other players. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:59, February 20, 2019 (UTC)

There’s this one image I’m trying site from Twitter. --Frontierchris (talk) 16:07, February 20, 2019 (UTC)

What's the idea of deleting my references on the Okaleia the Lotus Eater article, one of them was for where I got the images for it. Frontierchris (talk) 01:53, February 21, 2019 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I rewritten the references part becoz it's not how your suppose to lay that out. Your suppose to source the body of the content from where you get it from. In this case, the ingame description comes from ingame, therefore your suppose to source that using the ref tags.


 * Secondly, since you said your image is taken from twitter, then you source that image that you uploaded from the Images section, not in this article.


 * Thirdly, I removed the Bounty memory reference you put in due to the fact this bounty article can also be applied to the rest of the mercenary articles, thus providing such huge amount of issues. Personally, I like to see this whole mercenary system issue settled before moving on to creating newer ones, although there is also some discussion on removing the whole mercenary articles altogether, only keeping ones that is relevant to the Main and Side stories. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:00, February 21, 2019 (UTC)

I didn't create all those articles just to have them all thrown in the trash, why do you guys have to be so cruel? Frontierchris (talk) 02:15, February 21, 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm personally okay with it, just that it needs the proper sources and references in place with all the information added correctly. However, with all the mess that is created as a result of this, I don't see it being settled any time soon. I also know it's not easy to create all this articles and to see it being deleted is not good as well.

But ultimately the decision lies onto the higher ups. If they provide reasoning as to why it needs to be done, then I'll have to agree. XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:07, February 21, 2019 (UTC)

Titos
I can understand why you deleted all those other things I added to the Cult of Kosmos but why did you delete Titos? Frontierchris (talk) 03:46, February 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * Titos was simply given an offer to join the Cult, but that doesnt automatically make him an ally/puppet. The information given is pretty ambiguous and there is no follow up on whether he accept the offer or not before he was killed by Kassandra in the arena. XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:48, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

Oh, well if that's the case, you could've just asked me to put (possible) or (maybe) next to the name. Frontierchris (talk) 03:54, February 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * If I'm correct, we indicate names in the lists because they are 100% confirmed to be affiliated with the organisation or what so ever. But in these case, Titos isnt. If you want to do so, you can try indicate it in Titos article Trivia section to explain as such. XOdeyssusx (talk) 03:58, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

I know their not cryptonyms but can I at least add them as part of the links like Nyx the Shadow? Frontierchris (talk) 04:02, February 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it will be fine if you add those titles into the introduction of their respective articles, e.g. for Epiktetos, we introduce him as Epiktetos the Forthcoming. But that's for the introduction only. Continuing to their body, we simply indicate their names without the traits/titles. XOdeyssusx (talk) 04:08, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

Assassination Targets
I was trying to start an assassination list for Kassandra but I couldn't open a tabber template for it like the others. Should I just make a list without the template? Frontierchris (talk) 15:46, February 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * There's because you need to edit the article in source mode and preview it using the desktop preview mode. You can create it using the and tags. In regards to the list, I personally would not create it since I don't consider Kassandra a Proto-Assassin at all. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:53, February 23, 2019 (UTC)

Theories
XOdeyssusx, I just thought of something! Remember in that flashback of the Battle of Thermopylae we see a Persian officer finishing Leonidas and getting killed in the process? At first I thought it might have been Xerxes himself, but he wasn't killed at Thermopylae. However, I read somewhere that two of Xerxes' half-brothers, Abrocomes and Hyperanthes were killed during that battle. Do you think that officer may have been one of them? Frontierchris (talk) 18:56, February 23, 2019 (UTC)
 * It may or may not be, but it is not wise for us to speculate based on that. Until it is 100% that is it as such, we cannot create an article for that. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:52, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

I swear I had nothing to do with those recently added mercenaries. Frontierchris (talk) 01:41, February 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * No worries, we can all see the name of the users who are making the edits. But this is why the Mercenary problem is such a huge one and why some editors would want to remove the whole mercenary articles created because of Odyssey. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:52, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

Jasca said the source was enough. Frontierchris (talk) 02:06, February 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * That's because the only best references we can find are only limited to weekly bounties and etc. Nothing much else we can do. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:09, February 24, 2019 (UTC)

Quoting
So, I take it that quoting historical info, even if it is interesting, is not allowed just the canon, right? If so, didn't know, but I'll keep it in mind before... Still very new to editing lol, SolarWitch (talk) 02:17, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

sorry for the mistake. (Also didn't know quoting directly, even if providing/crediting to the source was so bad. But, this is good, I thank you for the learning here. Any tips you can give me on quoting, and editing? I don't want to make a repeat mistake.)SolarWitch (talk) 02:17, February 26, 2019 (UTC)


 * Didn't know your a new user here, so I apologise for my summary edits earlier if it's a little blunt. First of all, welcome to the Wiki, hope you can stick around and help out whatever you can. :) :)

Actually tbh, we are still in the midst of revamping our Manual of Style, so there's not really a fixed position of what kind of information is allowed. But in my perspective, the historical information has to be relevant to the subject at hand and not go overboard with it. In this case, since Caesarion's birth wasn't the main focus at hand, I felt that there was a need to address it in detail and limit it to very few as such.

In regards to quoting, yes it would be wise not to copy the whole stretch of information with giving proper citations because it could be considered as plagiarism. We have a few policies that addresses sourcing from in-universe references, not really that of the outside, so I believe as long as you use the APA format of citation from where you get the information from, it should be fine. XOdeyssusx (talk) 06:05, February 26, 2019 (UTC)

Images
If you want the images to be sourced then tell me to source them before removing them or marking them for deletion. Frontierchris (talk) 12:41, March 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * I have literally telling you multiple times to source your images correctly. You don't source them from the article, you source them from the images section itself. If you have no clue, there are other images in the gallery that you could used for reference and several images policy you can read. But it doesn't seem like you are reading at all.


 * Not to mention for the edit summaries, I've literally told you to add in the proper tags such as, , etc and including sourcing your body content whatsoever, be it on your talk page or the edit summaries. It seems like you either don't bother to read at all or just reading what you wish to read selectively. XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:56, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

It’s not that I don’t read them I forget about them. --Frontierchris (talk) 13:00, March 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * You have an email right? If there is any messages posted on your talkpage or replies to your messages on our posts, it will literally show up there. On the wikia, theres a small tab at the bottom right informing you of any messages. And edit summaries are always there on the Wiki Activity tab, there should be no reason how or why you would miss them. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:08, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

I had permission from the founder of the other Fandom to use images. Frontierchris (talk) 13:29, March 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure but that doesn't mean our FANDOM's policies are the same as them. Most of the images uploaded there arent even sourced at all, whereas for us, we source our images properly. As such, you still need to source the image correctly from where you get it. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:34, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

What's wrong now, I added Explore>Images as you said. Frontierchris (talk) 14:13, March 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * Christ, I don't mean it that way. Look at the top of the tab above every article page. One that says MAIN GAMES, OTHER GAMES etc. Hover over the EXPLORE tab and click on IMAGES. Source your image there, not in the article. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:21, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

I sourced the images themselves like you said, please tell I did it right this time because I'm tired and I'm losing my mind. Frontierchris (talk) 15:16, March 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * Why you keep using the References part still blows my mind. I really urge you to just read through this part and this. Also I suggest you take a look at other images in the Image gallery to get examples on how the users source their images. Not that I want to go against your edits or actions, but there are things that needs to be followed. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:24, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Can you please fix my mistakes for now and source the images the right way because like I said I’m tired, that is my mind is tired, from all the effort I made, their sources are on Total War: Alternate Reality Wiki under the category Mercenaries. I promise I’ll take a look at other people’s images in the image gallery later for the next time I add an image. --Frontierchris (talk) 15:34, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Oh and if the images aren't sourced on that wiki, you might want to ask the founder where he got them from, he goes by the name Master Strategist. Frontierchris (talk) 17:54, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Never mind I asked him myself and he said that he got them from the game itself by using Steam. Frontierchris (talk) 18:45, March 3, 2019 (UTC)

Forget what I said earlier about sourcing them for me, I fixed it myself. Frontierchris (talk) 19:35, March 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. But do take note that it is BEST if you take those screenshots yourself from the game rather than using other people's work or gameplay videos.

Also, please stop with all these additional spacing. It's annoying. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:00, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about that, anyway as I said before Master Strategist gave me permission to use the images, just go to Total War: Alternate Reality Wiki and ask him yourself. --Frontierchris (talk) 02:18, March 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Nowhere did I say anything against that. All I'm saying is that it's best you get the images yourself first hand. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:20, March 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * I would if I could but I don’t have the game or the system for it. --Frontierchris (talk) 02:23, March 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps you could focus on other areas for editing that does not require you to have the game yourself. There's so many areas that you can help part that does not require the uploading on images etc. Let those who has the game/media handle the images part. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:25, March 4, 2019 (UTC)

Assassination targets
Odeyssus how is the Priest of Kausos not an assassination target? Kassandra kills him! Frontierchris (talk) 01:41, March 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * So your definition of someone being an assassination target is whenever she kills someone? That's already missing the point of the article. Also, the priest can be spared depending on the actions of the players, meaning he doesnt have to die. And even if he does, Kassandra was forced to kill him in self defense, thus not an assassination. XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:44, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

Good point! --Frontierchris (talk) 01:46, March 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * To be fair I think a lot of the victims on that page are victims of circumstance rather than premeditated assassinations. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:05, March 11, 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah exactly. If we are going to just list the individuals killed by premeditated assassinations, then those that aren't (ALOT of them) needs to removed. XOdeyssusx (talk) 05:12, March 11, 2019 (UTC)
 * That’s something that needs to be brought up on the discord and put to vote. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 12:49, March 11, 2019 (UTC)

Now you
Have 15k edits Daryurian ( The Mighty Turian ) 06:57, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, so next milestone 20k edits? XD XOdeyssusx (talk) 09:41, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Mercenary Articles
The next mercenary articles I'm going to add are not of weekly mercenaries. Their just mercenaries whose names and biographies are the same in every game. But know that their avatars always change randomly so no images will be added. Frontierchris (talk) 19:32, March 15, 2019 (UTC)
 * Tbh, I rather you don't create those articles at all since you already stated their avatars is going to be changed randomly, meaning its already sort of randomized. We already indicate our stand of not allowing any randomized mercenaries, be it their appearance, their biography or their names. Don't just create them for the sake of creating it.


 * And not to mention when you create those articles, you always miss out the Era icons, article tags and mess up the references despite us giving you examples and telling you what to do. I rather you figure those things out and test out with source mode rather than going on to create new articles right away. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:15, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

The avatars of the mercenaries from the Legacy of the First Blade DLC are also randomized which is why I included these ones. And by the way I have been including the tags. --Frontierchris (talk) 02:21, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * But those mercenaries have a relevance to the side quests of DLC, thus they are warranted an articles. Whether or not images are provided is another story. These recent mercenary articles you create have no relevance whatsoever. Okay, I just saw the tags that you added in, but please stop adding additional spaces in between. I suspect you are using the Visual Mode to edit which isnt the appropriate tool to use. Use source mode to edit which is much better. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:25, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

Then it's the same case for Nikolaos the Fearless Cook, Klaasr the Exasperated, and Yulios the Balanced. Frontierchris (talk) 02:34, March 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * Sure, then I will add the Delete tags to it as well. XOdeyssusx (talk) 02:37, March 16, 2019 (UTC)

AC Rebellion Pics
Looking at your recent uploads, I see you've added the Tier-1 Xiphos, both Poignards, and Bonacolto Contarini's pics to their respective pages. If I may ask, how did you get them? The only way I know how to do this is to screenshot, erase everything but the object of interest in MS Paint (I'm not well-versed in Photoshop), then crop. However, that's incredibly time-consuming and tedious, and even were I to finish editing, it'd not be as consistently sized as the daggers. How do you crop it so nicely? -- Darman  ( talk ) 21:15, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
 * Well basically, Photoshop has the various tools that allows you select the particular and remove the spacing around, such is in the case of the Quick Selection Tool and Magic Wand tool which can be used to erase the background that is contrasted against of the object. In the case of backgrounds that are not obvious, I would resort to using the Pen Tool to draw a shape around the object and crop it out nicely. The Eraser tool is also pretty useful when you want to remove extra stuff that you dont want to be seen in the renders.


 * In regards to cropping, I simple first Trim the image size so that it fits the object nicely before increasing the size a little so that its not touching the edges. Yeah it's no doubt time-consuming and tedious, but for the sake of quality renders, it has to be done XD XOdeyssusx (talk) 01:16, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * I've requested a fankit be created and published by the CM which they are looking into doing so we might be getting better assets in the near future. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:09, March 18, 2019 (UTC)

Hyrkanos the Cunning
What was the idea of changing the title of Hyrkanos' article? Frontierchris (talk) 13:28, March 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * The mercenary has always been addressed as simply 'Hyrkanos' ingame without the 'Cunning' epithet. It's not exactly part of his official name. XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:39, March 24, 2019 (UTC)

Say you think maybe you could do the tables for the Peloponnesian War on the Long weapon and Short blade articles? I tried it on one of them once but it didn't turn out right. Frontierchris (talk) 13:45, March 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * I might be able to do it, but it's going to take a bit of time and not to mention I need a list of the present weapons for each category in Odyssey. In addition, I have other projects besides the weapons to work on. XOdeyssusx (talk) 05:16, March 25, 2019 (UTC)

Odeyssus, do you think maybe you can start a table for the Peloponnesian War in the Short Blade article. Frontierchris (talk) 00:19, March 28, 2019 (UTC)

Order of the Ancients
Odeyssus, since you've providing the images for the Order of the Ancients, do you think you could do the same for Bubares, Echion, and Philias? Frontierchris (talk) 00:27, April 1, 2019 (UTC)

Oh, and could you maybe do an article for Harpagos as well? Frontierchris (talk) 04:05, April 1, 2019 (UTC)
 * I will do it once I get to it. For now, I'm just doing articles of whatever comes to mind. XOdeyssusx (talk) 04:20, April 1, 2019 (UTC)

No full-synch?
I think something's wrong with the Memory Navbox. I'm typing in the required fields, but "fullsynch" isn't showing, and we all know how critical that is. Is this on your end, too? -- Darman  ( talk ) 12:30, April 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * From what I see, it's look like Jasca make some edits to Template:Memory Infobox, removing the sync section. You could probably inquire with him about it. XOdeyssusx (talk) 12:33, April 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Just sent him a message. -- Darman  ( talk ) 14:53, April 4, 2019 (UTC)

Remastered achievements
I've another quick question: should/can we upload the AC3, Liberation and Rogue Remastered trophies? True, they've the same descriptors, but I think the icon art is just different enough to be a new image. Ex: compare Platinum Trophy icon in Rogue vs in Remastered. -- Darman  ( talk ) 13:50, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not really sure even though I'm okay with the idea of doing it. Did the Ezio Collection have different trophies as well? Since they are remastered versions of the original game. XOdeyssusx (talk) 14:00, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * Really? I thought they were the standard Ezio Saga in one pack. Did a quick search, and so far as I can judge, not quite. The icons for Brotherhood and Revelations look the same except using gold instead of red or silvery-grey, but the ones for AC2 are more in line with typical achievement icon styles instead of mini artworks. Can't seem to find them for PS3, though. -- Darman  ( talk ) 14:45, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * Hh wow, I never really paid attention to such changes at all XD Perhaps you could just add it the new icons next to the original ones and add a site note to explain the changes. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:23, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of doing what Rogue and AC3 have with the Main/Remastered tabs for the covers. But idk if it'll look nice, so need to play around. And looking further, I see we also need some larger/better icons elsewhere, so I'll get them ASAP. -- Darman  ( talk ) 13:05, April 6, 2019 (UTC)
 * That will be great. Thank you for your efforts for that! XOdeyssusx (talk) 13:26, April 6, 2019 (UTC)

Hello again. I was playing with the code in the achievement tables and I think I found something that might work. Only issue is that it would compress the description box. Would this be OK? {border="1" cellpadding="2" style="text-align:center; border-collapse: collapse;" ! width="150" |Icon ! width="300" |Name ! width="200" |How to obtain ! width="64" |Points ! width="64" |Trophy |- | Main=   |-|Remaster=   !Title |Description |N/A |   |- |etc} Just thought I'd ask in case you've a better format. -- Darman  ( talk ) 16:15, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Referring to Kassandra as a Spartan
You know what I've just realized after reviewing this dialogue? I wonder if it's actually not ideal for us to always refer to Kassandra as a Spartan mercenary. She corrects Drucilla that she is Kephallonian not Spartan, and although it's not incorrect to call Kassandra Spartan when that demonym refers to her origin, it may invite confusion that her allegiances is still to Sparta during the Peloponnesian War. In other words, the meaning of calling Kassandra Spartan is ambiguous, and it might be a bit odd whenever talking about her aiding the Athenians if there are any articles describing her as doing such. From what I've read on reddit, she mostly helps the Spartans in the war, but her loyalties are still fluid. What do you think? I will ask the others for their opinion as well. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 14:57, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, if you progress further down in the story, there are a lot more times when Kassandra do alot of things which further reaffirms her allegiance and Spartan lineage. However, given how players have, you know, choices (meaning Kassandra has to perform numerous tasks for Athens), I believe it would be best to leave it ambigious as you said. That's why in a lot, if not most, of the articles, we simply just state her as misthios without the Spartan at the front. XOdeyssusx (talk) 15:07, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Revisions
Did you undo the revision I did on Klytemnestra's Battleaxe? Frontierchris (talk) 04:06, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Revisions
Did you undo the revision I did on Klytemnestra's Battle Axe? Frontierchris (talk) 04:07, April 27, 2019 (UTC)

Revisions
Did you undo the revision I did on Klytaimnestra's Battle Axe? Frontierchris (talk) 04:08, April 27, 2019 (UTC)