User blog comment:Master Sima Yi/Assassinews 05-08-'14 – Assassin's Creed: Rogue announced/@comment-13471981-20140807132641/@comment-90.198.30.169-20140808113047

Am I able to reply to the on-topic posts, or is this sub thread just now closed off?

In ACIII: Once playing as Connor; We were seeing the Templars through his eyes and his memories, which would of course distort and be bias against the Templars (Likewise, Haytham's had a biasness towards the Templars). But: Correct me if I am wrong: Who in the colonies wanted to brainwash... anyone? No-one. Haytham wanted Charles Lee to become leader of the colonies to help create a peace, fully influenced and guided by Templar minds: not to dictate when someone can take a dump, or zombify them into calling him Lord Haytham of the Universe. They didn't even have an Apple for Christ sake for that to be a goal!

What those who are against the Templars do is just jibber jabba about brainwashing and everything: While, yes, of course, some can become corrupted and misuse their position, fundamentally, the Templars want to use what is already in place (government) to bring about peace through order. Not through telling you, you must eat bangers and mash on a Tuesday night, or you must use the toilet at 8am dead on. They want to create an order wherein they are guiding humanity to living peacefully within a lawful world to stop crime, discrimination and other such chaotic mess.

The Templar supporters could quite easily do the same, claim an extremity: absolute freedom can only bring Chaos, with no acceptance and no peace. But: of course, like the view by the assassins (and supporters) on the Templars' Creed, that is a distorted perspective. The Assassins, like the Templars, want to use already established forms (government) to allow freedom to flourish and allow human kind to develop at its own rate.

The problem however is simple; The Templars are not stopping human development from flourishing: they are not trying to stop the chaotic acts, and the assassin's are not being productive to well... anything but murder and causing chaos.

Yes, one can argue, and I agree, that using PoE's can, potentially, be completely removing any form of freedom: But, both sides are guilty of that: mostly from corruptible individuals, AKA: Cesare, Abbass (although Altair stopped this guy before could) and Al Mualim. But it is important to remember, Altair, Desmond and Ezio, too used that apples to take a persons freedom from them, just as Rikkin, Vidic and Robert de Sable planned.

But like I say, Assassin's do not want enough freedom to cause chaos. The Templars do not want so much Order to cause slavery. But enough freedom to allow progression and development and individual choice (Assassins). And enough order to ensure a united, acceptable, progressive world for Humanity to flourish (Templar).

Both are Ironies of themselves: needing order to ensure a respectable, balanced freedom. and needing freedom to ensure a progressive, developing peace in which human kind can live. Plus: both commit the very acts they want to remove from the world.

I just get the sense though: that the Assassins are more about stopping the Templars now, on historic principle, than actually helping humanity.

Either way, the Initiates (If what we know of them is accurate) need to make their move, collect and store or destroy all PoEs to bring an end to human kind's manipulation of the tools used to enslave them and truly remove progression and development. When what humanity is, foolishly, using them for is to create a progressive, controlled-freedom peace: they were not designed for that, and cannot result in it.

Both Order's are too focused on the extreme example (which is not what either want) of their rivals' goals. both want order, or freedom at a moderated amount. Yet both have lost sight of this shared goal, because of the extreme potential result, that neither order is actually aiming for.

(And a side note to the Historic accuracy posts: really? this work of fiction is not solely historical fact and a history textbook? Of course bloody not: its an entertainment product loosely using historic place/people and fact... you know like ALL forms of Historic FICTION!!!!).