Talk:Ezio Auditore da Firenze

Great news and thanks for the update. I just have one issue with Machiavelli - he would have only been 7 years old in 1476. I can overlook that though to work with da Vinci. --Maskim xul 15:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The GameInformer article says the game takes place in 1476 and that you team up with Machiavelli. I had no clue that he would only be that young around that time. --Droginator1


 * That is a strange flaw. I know he wont be that young due to his picture in the article, maybe one memory is in 1476, then the one with him is later? AC-42 17:11, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The game isnt all in 1476. The beginning is, and then you jump through Ezio's life until 1503. I'd assume you meet Machiavelli once he's a little older ;D Tobbsdasock 16:50 21st November (GMT)

Upon looking in to the history of Florence round and about 1476, when Assassin's Creed II is purported to take place, there seems to be a wealth of juicy subject matter that could potentially be built into this game: that is, judging from the way history was handled in AC I. That is to point out, as Desmond observes in a conversation with Vidic, that there are some 'differences' in what we have learned to be true and what Altair experiences - first person. That's also something that Al Mualim points out to Altair - that most people don't bother to notice the difference between what we are told to be true and what we observe to be true. Presumably, the same may be said of whatever Ezio experiences.

We also have Lorenzo de Medici around at that time. Firenze or Florence is where Ezio is living and Lorenzo's turf. We may see Lorenzo in much the same fashion that we see King Richard I in AC I - in cut-out scenes - i.e., Ezio will observe and listen to him but not be able to interact. But that's okay, because there's a whole lot more going on there to sweeten the pot. History is bent already, with this aberration in Machiavelli's age. He may have been a child prodigy, but that's still too young to be giving Ezio advice in political matters. He may even serve as the AC II Al Mualim. Who knows? Afterall, he does have a bit of a reputation for being the master of manipulating people in any way possible - politically, socially, financially, etc. Even today, upper management types consider "The Prince", his most well known tome, necessary reading material. One could hope ;)

Lorenzo had some interesting allies. He also had a lot of enemies. There are two - one ally/one enemy in particular that stand out:

The ally that stands out in this period was the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmet II - also known as el Fatih, the Conqueror. He's the one who conquered Constantinople and ended the Byzantine Empire. His "beloved" was none other than Radu cel Frumos...the younger brother of Vlad III Dracul. Yes, that Vlad Dracul. At one time, both of them were 'guests' in the Sultan's court, as assurance for their father's good behavior (Vlad II). Vlad III later returned home, but Radu remained behind, being groomed to one day take his older brother's place on the throne of Walachia. Mehmet II sees to it that he does just that, and Vlad III dies in 1476...coincidentally. Very possibly assassinated. An interesting thought but doesn't seem likely Ezio would be the one. Does it?

The Pazzi family wanted the Medici's gone. They wanted to rule Florence. It's called the Pazzi Conspiracy. They were aided and abetted in their schemes by the Archbishop of Pisa and his patron Pope Sixtus the Fourth. Three assassins made an attempt on the lives of Lorenzo and his brother Giuliano, attacking them as they attended mass at the cathedral. The Archbishop was lynched. All the Pazzi's were put to death, as well as the three assassins. This all happened in 1478.

There was war, too - for while Lorenzo de Medici had managed to become allied with the Ottomans, Mehmet II was attempting to conquer a large part of the rest of Italy, including Venice. He had already declared himself the "King of Rome" or "Ceasar" in the early 1460's. Venice was the richest city on the Mediterranean and controlled much of the shipping in that sea.



As for Venice, the 'other' city involved in AC II, let's look at the most powerful man there - the Doge or Duke of Venice. At this time, this position is held by Andrea Vendramin, who also dies in 1478 - perhaps from the Plague. Andrea married off his six daughters in typically politically strategic fashion and was by all accounts a very rich man. However, not all of the Council of Forty-One agreed with his election to the title and seat. He was called "a cheesemonger" and the Council remained divided during his reign. He was buried in what was considered "the most lavish funerary monument in Renaissance Venice." To his defense, he may have been chosen exactly because he and his brother had heaped up the beginnings of their family fortunes by entering into several commercial maritime ventures in their youth. He understood commerce, shipping and how to make a profit. That and he had a lot of influence in the families of his sons-in-law's families.

Will any of these other people show up in AC II? Perhaps. Fifteenth century Florence and Venice were riddled with intrigues, assassinations and various other skullduggery. Poison rings and strange elixirs were just as popular as daggers for doing away with one's enemies...but the Hidden Blades (two of them) rule. --Maskim xul 23:44, 14 April 2009 (UTC)



You know, there are some notable distortions in AC I, as well. Garnier de Naplouse (Garnier de Nablus) comes to mind. He was actually AT the Battle of Arsuf with Richard against Saladin. In fact, the Hospitalers broke ranks against Richard's direct orders to Master Garnier to hold formation. The Hospitalers charged the Saracens, because their archers were wiping the horses out from under the knights and things were getting quite intense. It was looking like their counter-attacks were toast. Garnier's surprise move was supported by Richard, who sent in troops to cover them in a moment of quick thinking. That's one for you....

Sibrand was the first Master of the Teutonic Knights, but they were a brotherhood at that point and not a full blown order.

If Majd Addin was in fact based on Baha ad-Din, serious liberties were taken with his character. It was in 1191 when Conrad of Montferrat (William V's son) became the King of Jerusalem, in which case a regent would have been a moot point. Not sure when in 1191, however. --Maskim xul 00:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Name
Hold on. Does Ezio really mean Eagle? I've ran his name through a couple translators and Ezio never came out eagle. Then I ran eagle through Italian and it came out something else. Imperialscouts 23:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think Ezio is a literal translation. The full name must come out to Eagle of Florence. Then again, I was never sure what Altair's full name meant; "Son of None" or something was one given while the other involved an eagle.
 * From what I hear, "Altaïr" means "Eagle" whereas "Ibn-La'Ahad" means "son of none". − Elecbullet 04:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it Ezio Auditore de Firenze or di Firenze? The Wikipedia article says "di". − Elecbullet 04:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I am italian myself and Ezio doesn't mean Eagle, "Aquila" is the italian word for that. But I read on an on-line catalogue of names that Ezio probably derives from the greek world for Eagle. 84.222.239.78 17:41, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * All right, thank you. I deleted the statement about the translation. Under "Trivia" it now explains in detail. − Elecbullet 19:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I did some research on this site concerning Ezio, and the name is a form of Aëtios, which means 'Of or pertraining to an eagle'. You can check it yourself on this page: http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Ezio.html

Oh no way. I am Greek and Ezio has nothing to do with "eagle". The Greek word for it is Αετός (Aetos). Auditore means auditor?

Man, are you sure, because I've been speaking Greek since I was born and Αετός (Aetos) doesnt mean that.Playmsbk 21:13, February 15, 2010 (UTC)\ Don't you see

Clearly there is a connection, since the name Ezio is a form of the name Aëtions, which sounds very similar to Aetos, it's highly possible that it does mean Eagle. I found another site that has a databse of names that suggests the same: http://www.behindthename.com/name/ezio


 * Maybe it's an ancient form of greek? The italian in AC2 isn't quite well modern italian, there are several latin/archaich quotes. -- D. Cello 03:11, February 16, 2010 (UTC
 * Ezio is Latin for eagle. auditore de firenze is made up.
 * I went onto a baby name site, believe it or not and Ezio does mean Eagle in ancient greek. Seriously the name is really cool for an assassin but also depicting how fast and elegent he actually is. Just saying it makes my heart pound! :) Babystace2k10 09:40, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I went onto a baby name site, believe it or not and Ezio does mean Eagle in ancient greek. Seriously the name is really cool for an assassin but also depicting how fast and elegent he actually is. Just saying it makes my heart pound! :) Babystace2k10 09:40, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I did some little research, and I came to the result that in ancient Greek, eagle is Aitos. But I stil can't find any connections between Aitos and Ezio. Ok scratch my comment. I found the connection. The name does't come from aitos (eagle) itself, but it comes from the verb α'ί'σσω (aiso), which means to attack like an eagle. With some European accent changes and some Italian modifications to sound like an Italian name we have Ezio! This thread looks like it's over! Name source confirmed. Playmsbk 16:19, February 16, 2010 (UTC)'''

DA Firenze
It's Ezio Auditore da Firenze. Not di Firenze. I understand the GI article says di Firenze. In the game (and in terms of proper Italian naming conventions) it's da. You are free to continue reverting my changes, but you'll inevitably be forced to accept them when the game comes out and you realize I am correct.

'di ferenze' means 'of Ferenze/Florence'. So ezio (what ever ezio translates to) of florence

About his name
All the fuss over Firenze, is all for not, listen, Da Firenze, is a title of Nobility, it means Of Florence, with a patent of nobility, a member of the state or a states men. When referring to any of the house of Auditore by their last names it should be said "auditore" ot "firenze" as that is the state they serve, and could many any other noble at that level, coincidentally Nobility is paternal, not maternal, therefore all information referring to claudia especially should be scrutinized, unless otherwise noted, she was not noble, she was of noble birth but without death in the family, mainly of her mother, period laws in Firenze where always to the mother of the house, therefore Maria, was probably, Da Firenze, but claudia would have been encouraged to take a husband of nobility in the normal working of noble families, and than would have received the title of the house, or position she inherited. being that lorenzo lived after the assassination attempt and had contact with ezio, he may have bestowed patents of nobility upon the whole family. Furthermore the auditores ability to bestow titles within monteriggioni remains no matter what, therefore we can assume that all had titles, and all were in reception of their patents. this does not change the fact that they should not be refered to as "firenzes" they are auditores, it would be like calling henry tudor VIII of england, "england."

Most likely considering Mario is the elder son, he holds the actual clout in the family,he may be Duke of monteriggioni, and that would make ezio Consiglierre, or counselor, ezio being second, unless mario has some son somewhere we don't know about whom is older than ezio.

Or the third option that Mario's nobility is only locale to monteriggioni, however it is quite unlikely, and the Auditore of Giovanni had a whole new thread of nobility bestowed upon them in addition, or in separate of the previous titles. Furthermore they were not nobles at all considering what we learn in the auditore family crypt, and are actually from the south coast of venice circa 1296 by way of marco polo.Pauci Verentur 23:50, November 20, 2009 (UTC)


 * If his name is nobility, doesn't that contradict the way the family is described by Domenico Auditore da Firenze (Which I think is ironic, if the name is nobility) "To the Auditore that reads this, remember that you are not a nobleman. You are not one of the deceivers, you are one of the people. Avenge us!"


 * The Animus (That's my user-name, it's having trouble with the signature)

new info
someone needs to incorporate this http://ps3.ign.com/articles/103/1037168p1.html

Question
now that we have all our information on our subject, would it not be logical to bring this out of the "video game preview" unencyclopedic format, and actually make it represent his life?

i will do a little edit and stop at 1 paragraph if you want me to stop revert it, otherwise ill press on in 48 hours.


 * Good idea. Also, when starting the revamp on the page please try to keep it similar to the pattern on others characters page, like merging Background to Biography under "Early Life", separating into history, personality and equipments, etc. -- D. Cello 00:03, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Added info
The Auditore family isn't actually true nobility. If you go through the Family Crypt in the Villa (which you can unlock through uplay), you can read their family history. Giovanni's father or a later ancestor adopted another nobleman's name, and trained himself classically and so gained access to the Florentine elite. --84.250.32.3 00:45, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think you learn not that he adopted another nobles name, but that his great grandfather, or Mario's great grandfather (meaning Ezio's great great grandfather), whichever built the villa obtained their money after obtaining the bank account of Marco Polo. After Polo's death and the loss of most of the Codex, the Auditori moved to Montegorri and masqueraded as nobility. With all of Polo's finances behid them no one doubted them. Mjihde 09:54, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Decendants
Not so much discussion as query. Are we actually informed who is the mother of Ezio's heir? Given that Ezio is a womaniser,he could theoretically have any number of decendants. Whoever it is would have to have had the child after Sequence 14, given how we learn that the ancestrial memories swap to the baby right after insemination (the Altair scene in AC2). Mjihde 09:57, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a lot of illegitamate childrens. I wonder how often do Ezio go to the bothels Blix1ms0ns 18:28, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Golden Fleece
The article mentions the Codex alludes to Altair's Armor being made from pieces of the Golden Fleece. This is not the case. The Codex says Altair found a way (using information provided by the apple) to create what is effectively an invincible metal. It goes on to state he fears the effects such a development could have if it fell into templar hands and so he destroyed the formula.

No. It points to him finding out how to make the material that the Golden Fleece was created from. Once he made his armour, he destroyed anything that could lead to someone else working out how to make it, fearing it's widespread use by friend or foe alike. JakCurse 00:53, December 17, 2009 (UTC)

Phrase?
What does Ezio say after he kills the important people as they are dying? The phrase he says just before they die and what does it mean?--84.92.16.13 18:07, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Ezio, (in all main assassinations after Memory Block 3) says 'Rest in Peace' at some point in the small scene. Though obviously he says it in Italian, I just am unsure on how to spell it, if you put subtitles on, it's translated for you.

I suppose I should have thought of that yes, but that's annoying, He says "requesta de pache" Must go see in the subtitles, thanks.--84.92.16.13 19:01, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Requiescat im Pace. Rek-wie-ess-cat im pa-chee. JakCurse 20:03, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

"Requiscat in pace" is actually ancient italian, close to modern latin. -- D. Cello 01:33, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Welp, i assure you, that's what he says. JakCurse 02:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

In my game, the subtitles say "Requiescat de pache" when hes saying rest in peace in italian. DarthFart 02:31, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Odd, because de means the. JakCurse 02:39, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

I may not be italian myself but i have read upon the italian language. Although I did french at GCSE it appears very similar in terms the usual joining words in italian. You don't to translate it word for word, its just the fact that its the main bits you need to point out not the joining words so although de may mean the, its wise to note that it may stand for other things. I'm not critisising, i'm just saying :) Babystace2k10 09:44, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ancestor?
Where is it stated that Altaïr is an ancestor of Ezio? Ezio may be descendant of other assassin family, and one of his descendants maybe had a relationship with one of Altaïr's descendants.--Erik1310 09:06, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * He have the same abilities of Altaír. Even if his family had something to do with Altaïr's ancestor, he would still be related to Altaïr. No matter who get involved with who, if Desmond can see both, then they are directly related. I didn't understand the purpose of your question. Or the sense behind it. oO -- D. Cello 00:23, December 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I meant that there is possibility that Ezio's descendant and Altaïr's descendant had a relationship (maybe I choosed the wrong word, I'm not good at English) and their child is ancestor of Desmond. In this case Desmond could enter both Ezio's and Altaïr's memory, while Ezio isn't Altaïr's descendant.--Erik1310 15:05, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

But since he would have both Altaïr's lineage genes and Ezio's lineage genes, doesn't that make him technically descendant to both? -- D. Cello 16:02, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

My point is that Ezio may not be Altaïr's descendant. Article states he is, but I want to see proof of this.--Erik1310 20:48, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yes. It was stated by the Creative director of the game in one of many interviews. Check AC2 wedocs. -- D. Cello 20:53, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

Maybe the connection between Altair and Ezio is Maria. In A'sC2 we see that she gets pregnat by Altair and the Assassins then spread into Europe. That's how I see it.Playmsbk 21:21, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Templates
Aren't the templates a bit the contrary of each other (don't know if I said that right)? One says that the article needs a revamp, the other says it's nominated to be a featured article. If the latter is correct, why would it have to be revamped? Master Sima Yi 16:42, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Cause it's good but don't follow our manual of style, which is a requisite to FA. -- D. Cello 02:44, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Love his outfit
'nough said

Speaking of the assassin gear that Ezio gains in the mission 'family hierloom', it's acctualy really cool. I mean don't get me wrong but i acctually like it! But he had to change it in Brotherhood. I prefered the one in AC2. Since I do art, I do a lot of work based on AC" but using females. It's not bad but its not good either, your the one to decide! :) Babystace2k10 09:52, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Age
I noticed often how people (I never did, but I noticed it) keep changing the age in one area from 28 or 29 to the other. Could someone please cite a source for one, so we can end it permanently??? When it all began he is at the age at 16/17 but as his killing years went on and on he then ends up at being at the age 47.

Yeah, I've looked upon how old Ezio is as we go through the game, I think he ages by about 1 - 2 years with each sequence. I always kept track of how old Ezio is. He's about 17 at the begining and at the end of AC2 he's about 40 and then he ages AGAIN in brotherhood to about 46 - 47. Still he has his ponytail which is a big relief! :) Babystace2k10 09:49, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

To Featured and beyond!
Guys, I think this page is good enough to get a nomination to Featured status, but first it would need to re-organize that Romantic section. It's a bit of a mess, many pictures together and bad formatted. Can someone try and get to it, pls? -- D. Cello 17:24, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * I got it. Working on it now. :) AgentValentine 05:21, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

DLC
I haven't played 'discovery' yet, so I'm not very known to when it is set. Anyway since in Ezio's profile, Bonfire is written after Discovery... Are we to assume that it took place between both downloadable sequences? That's doubtable as the two DLC's seem to follow each other up.Altaïr February 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, the Battle of Forli took place in 1487, whilst the Bonfire of the Vanaties took place in 1498. Why it took Ezio twelve years to get from Forli to Florence whilst Savonarola held the Apple I don't know, but it's canon. User:Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:02, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * One inconsitency in the game here is Ezio's aging that occurs when he awakens after the battle of Forli. He is bearded, but does not appear this way again until the bonfire of the vanities/end of the game. And until the DLC the memory sequences were chronoloigcal I thought

Yeah, I've noticed the ageing!! When you start sequence 14. I dont have the downloadable content sequences but i do watch them on youtube. He still has his ponytail though which is dead cute! :D Babystace2k10 07:55, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
Are we suppose to delete so many trivia. I agree it was a bit messed up, but we could always clean it up, without actually deleting all the information. Altaïr 02:04, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's relevant, it shouldn't be deleted. -- D. Cello 02:52, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

I've copied the deleted information. And I'll take a look at it, to determine what's relevant and to see if I can clean it up. Altaïr 03:59, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

I saw your edit and I agree that about the gun relates more to Leo, however about the constellation Aquila... I think this relates to as well Ezio and Altaïr, seeing that Aquila mean eagle in Latin/Italian. That is why I decided to copy it from Altaïr's profile, cause I admit I only adjusted it, I didn't write it myself. -- Altaïr 05:01, March 12, 2010 (UTC) I'm not sure if all the adds about Altaïr's name are also sourced. But we don't need a source for every fact imo. After doing some research yourself to confirm if this is actually true, do you really need one? -- Altaïr 13:53, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that none of it is sourced? Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:26, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Our policy says we do, so yes. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 19:35, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine if I post it here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquila_%28constellation%29 -- Altaïr 00:02, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the article please, although personally I don't see why that tidbit is even wanted on this article; it's about Altaïr, not Ezio. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:09, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since Aquila mean eagle in Italian, I do think it is related to Ezio. It actually creates a link between Altaïr and Ezio. -- Altaïr 12:16, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The trivia point said "His ancestor Altaïr is named after the brightest star in the constellation Aquila, which is Italian/Latin for eagle." That is about Altaïr, not Ezio, and shouldn't be in this article. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:14, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to argue about this and I'll just leave it out. But it does relate to Ezio and Altaïr, cause you're leaving out the rest of what the point said. -- Altaïr 13:19, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Jasca in this one. Altough it relates to Ezio's name (btw, isn't italian for eagle), it's about Altaïr's name, not Ezio's. And I liked the discussion in bulletpoints XD-- D. Cello 15:48, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know it's 'Eagle' in Greek, while Aquila is Italian for Eagle, which imo links Altaïr to Ezio, but okay... Like I said I'm not going to argue about it Altaïr 17:04, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

The First Apple
Where does it say that Ezio sealed the First Apple under Altaïr's statue? PassiveNeoluna 23:40, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ezio
I recently bought this game, and it is one of the best fighting games i have ever played. plus the fact that Ezio is drop dead gorgeous makes it even better! but apart from that i must say this one wicked game, the feel of it seems so right and so real. i hope that there will be Assassin's Creed 3 or even a movie made out of these wonderfuly placed games. Hugh Jackman i think would make an excellent Assassin my self! sexyshedevil
 * There will be a third assassin's creed game, as it was already told that it was to become a trilogy. And there will still be plenty of spin-off's no doubt. Personally I don't see Hugh Jackman as an assassin. I think James Caviezel could have made a good Altaïr once when he was younger. Bit of an irony there, cause he played Jesus Christ. I do have the say that mostly we use these 'Talk' pages to discus the article itself. Not for subjective reasons as this. Oh and please sign your posts, thank you. Altaïr 23:40, March 22, 2010 (UTC)

Age
Ezio Auditore da Firenza : games begin when hi is a 17 years old boy and game ends he is a 40 years old man,cause game begin in 1476 but he was born 1459 (1476-1459=17) and now game finishing in 1499 right ? So 1499 - 1459 = 40 years and that means you finishing game like 40 years old guy he isnt too old :)
 * The game finishes in 1503. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:20, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

I agree he isn't acctually that old! You do start when he's well....born and then you proper control him at 17. Then it just goes on from there really...Babystace2k10 07:53, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

@jasca ducato um is there any canon facts to back up the game ends in 1503, secondly there is a game that follows right after brotherhood, and yet agian features ezio "Assassin's Creed: Lost Legacy," that is unless lost legacy takes place in between the seige of Monteriggioni (1499), and the parade in rome in 1503, i am done now -_- Megahypernova 09:00, August 11, 2010  (UTC)
 * I think it can only be assumed that the game will end in 1503, because it's the same year Cesare Borgia died in actual history. And it is likely though not confirmed that the game will end with his death. Altaïr 15:46, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Bonfire of Vanities mistake
Why is it that even after you finish sequence 13 the Bonfires are still burning and and people are still throwing books on them I think Ubi missed that. I also noticed that Savanrola is kinda like Jubair al-Hakim with the burning of books an all.

Auditor(e) 20:58, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

i might just be a kid but i have unlocked all the truth and beat both games and nobody beleives this was ever true.i know it wa though.

I believe you im only 10 and i have evrything but the feathers.

???
i might just be a kid but i have unlocked all the truth and beat both games and nobody beleives this was ever true.i know it was though.
 * Quiet, troll. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:06, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Main pic
To quote D. Cello, the "main picture is a major part of article and we have a standard to keep with Altaïr's/protagonists. This isn't wookiepedia, the latest canon pic doesn't become the best." Now, I can understand wanting to keep the article at a high standard, but by having a picture which, admittedly, shows a lot in detail, but fails at where a main pic should be at its best&hellip; we cannot see his face. Using the Altaïr article's main picture as a basis for this one is, in my opinion, a cheap excuse for avoiding change on this article. So what if we have a full-body picture of Altaïr, if I could find a nice, clean close-up of Altaïr's face, I'd be putting that in the main box.

As for comparing the change to one from wookieepedia, I fail to see how that comparison can be made. Wookieepedia operates a policy of having the best picture available in the box, not picking "the latest canon pic" assuing it's the best. It's not, but the brotherhood picture is a hell of a lot better then the full-body picture we have now. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:09, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * For now, I think it's best to use the current picture. This is how fans know him best. When brotherhood becomes more popular among fans, then we could replace it. For now we can always show the picture of brotherhood in the image gallery of Ezio. -- Altaïr 22:38, 2010 (UTC)
 * When you do plan on replacing it use this pic please
 * Capture2.jpg made it for an avatar pic
 * but it would be awesome for ezio's profile pic please! --Megahypernova 08:12, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * but it would be awesome for ezio's profile pic please! --Megahypernova 08:12, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

When we change the picture, we can surely not use any manipulated pictures -- Altaïr 10:16, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

ok but you gotta admit managing to make this in like 8 minutes with ms paint is good right (Megahypernova 08:52, August 11, 2010 (UTC))
 * It's okay, I'm pretty experienced in photoshop so cutting out a figure is a piece of cake, depending on the figure, cause someone with really wild hair can be more difficult to cut out, cause of the detail, but the shape of the cape, hood and uniform is pretty easy to select as it's pretty basic, so that's still also pretty easy work that could be done in a minute. -- Altaïr 15:30, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah but like i said i did this in paint not photoshop, for ms paint standards this is good right? Megahypernova 14:01, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Well like I said it's not bad no, but if you really want to proceed with this, get yourself a program like photoshop or paintshop pro, that has a lot more options for a lot better avatars. I really like to create fictional characters and then try to depict them with the tools available with photoshop. That's how I made pictures with Altaïr (see my profile) and Ezio. -- Altaïr 17:01, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

What the F-
Why do you people keep changing Ezio's pic in the info box? What are we really supposed to use? The Brotherhood Body Shot or the AC2 Body Shot? War Clown 14:00, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Can't you have both? :( Babystace2k10 07:56, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently not, because if we can, people wouldn't be changing it over and over again War Clown 10:00, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

See!? THERE IT GOES AGAIN! These anon users are very persistent! War Clown 14:31, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Too persistant in fact... I agree with you. I acctualy prefer both of the body shots. It's a shame that we can't put both on... :O ^_^ babystace2k10 ^_^ 09:56, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

And to that, the page is now locked, so that these persistent anons can't edit the page anymore. Serves them right :D War Clown 10:43, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Main pic vote
Now, I'm pretty sure everybody here has noticed the recent editwar that's been going on over the infobox picture. People are flipping between these two images (see below), and reverting them back and, to be honest, it's getting highly irritating. Now, this is going to continue until either somebody locks this page for a cooldown period, or we vote for a picture here.

So here's the options, simply CUT AND PASTE the following: # --~ into whichever section you want to vote for, and then its done.

ACII promotional image

 * 1) Better to stick with this until AC: Brotherhood. A lot of people know him more by this image. Until we get a CGI Image of Ezio's new look, I'm sticking with this one. I don't like Ezio's pose in the concept art, and the portrait image is...well....lacking a body --War Clown 14:37, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. For now, let it stay. I think it's best to keep it. Who knows better images of Ezio of 'brotherhood' will show up to use in the article in the months to come before its release. -- Altaïr 23:45, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * This image is a lot better than the others. Reason being that it has a lot more energy to it and the pose is kinda cool. Which reminds me... 'gotta draw female blonde haired violet eyed assassin girl with bandage on right arm'... ^_^ babystace2k10 ^_^ 09:54, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * This image is a lot better than the others. Reason being that it has a lot more energy to it and the pose is kinda cool. Which reminds me... 'gotta draw female blonde haired violet eyed assassin girl with bandage on right arm'... ^_^ babystace2k10 ^_^ 09:54, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Brotherhood concept art

 * 1) My vote right here, because the Concept image is more symolic than it looks like. The first AC2 had Ezio wear his father's Assassin's robesm but AC:B has him wear his own robes. So....what's better? --CryGame--
 * 2) I agree with CryGame, the Brotherhood image is more symbolic in the fact that he has his own robes, rather than his father's robes, and personally I think it should be used because it depicts Ezio at his Master Assassin point in life, same as the other main Ancestor Assassins' profiles. Assassin-Rayne 15:20, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) I agree with the above two. This concept art shows him as a master assassin, and in his own robes. I'm assuming that his old robes were destroyed or buried along with Altair's Armor in the ruins of the Villa. The point is, he looks better.122.104.203.226 09:04, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ezio's face from Brotherhood trailer

 * 1) I'm sticking my vote here, as I prefer this image and it's a good compromise between the two full body images. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:20, June 26, 2010 (UTC)

Romantic life section
Anyone else thinks the pictures in the romantic section are weird? They look cramped, small, bad localized and some doesn't even depict relevant things. I think we should change or remove them. -- D. Cello 21:00, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reorganize, change, remove agreed. Pictures of Ezio with whomever he has had a romantic relationship with, reorganize or leave them. others, remove or change.
 * I can get larger picture. I've got a high-res version of the movie and we could maybe use a picture of the brotherhood gameplay trailer to get a picture of Ezio and Catharina to replace the other picture? -- Altaïr 18:10, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, Al. That would be good. You're a admin, do what you think is best. =] -- D. Cello 17:09, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Faith of Ezio
Is Ezio faith same as Altair or what?93.86.144.33 05:36, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait for Brotherhood. They have the answer. -- War Clown Wanna Talk? 12:45, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * First off, what are you basing that statement on? Second, dialogue in AC2 and Discovery suggest that he's an atheist. 98.192.42.30 22:25, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The family Auditore might have appeared Christian on the outside, though that is not suggested in the game(s). It would be weird for them not to be Christian so I think people would have looked down on them if they at least not pretended to be. Anyway Atheist might not be the word, but I do not think Ezio believes in any God. He knows that what the Bible says consists of mostly illusions. And he knows of Those who came Before. I wouldn't say he's an atheist though. He believes in something that does not have a name yet I would say. So maybe it's best to leave it out what religion he has. To bring in religion would be dangerous in the first place, though the game clearly states that they don't want to offend any religion and that they were made by people of all kinds of religions. -- Altaïr 3:31, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Quote Date

 * The quote at the beginning of the "Journey to Spain" section lists the year as 1494, which is incorrect. AC2: Discovery takes place in 1491-92. I keep trying to change it to 1491, but I don't know quite how the format works, and it keeps getting changed back. 98.192.42.30 21:50, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, I did it for you. :D  The T h i e f 22:32, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, if you're going to edit a quote, I would suggest entering "source" mode beforehand, otherwise the template automatically screws up. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 00:29, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

templars
are templars similar to freemasons?

templars
are templars similar to freemasons?

Yes, they are basically the same thing. They are both parts of the illuminati, along with others.


 * And the Freemasons are rumored to have been founded by Templars Chris-the-killer 02:14, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Mario's Death
In the ACB section of the article, it says that Cesare was at the gates of the city, and he "invited" Ezio to Rome with his gun, and "the shot killed Mario". While this is never seen, we see Ezio getting shot by one of the guards. This means that Cesare did not shoot Mario, and in some trailers it shows that Cesare strangles a blindfolded Mario. Alpheta 21:19, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

MARIO IS DEAD!! Face it! Campbell430 21:20, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * He doesn't strangle him and that's not Mario. He doesn't even look like him. That guy is called Eccidio or something. -- Master Sima Yi 21:22, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, then that means that Mario and Ezio were shot at the exact same time. Alpheta 21:26, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, probably for cinematic purposes. Campbell430 21:28, October 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but Mario has run out of 'shrooms I'm afraid. --  T H I E F  22:41, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Too much (speculative) detail?
Just streamlined out some clauses and edited some phrasing in the intro of this article, but I think someone recently made some changes in the main section that are beyond my judgment to determine how to correct: is it just me, or is there too much detail in this article now? And an awful lot of it is speculative - and just blatantly assaults the general style rule of "Show, Don't Tell." (Exs. "a church nearby caught the eye of the brothers", "On the walk home, Leonardo struck up a conversation, beginning a friendship between the two young men that would last throughout their adult lives.") None of this is really necessary, and as big a fan as I am of this Wiki holding vast amounts of knowledge about AC, even I don't think we need to know that the guard banged on the door to get Leonardo to come out. But I wanted to leave these decisions to higher ups before I went and changed anything, especially since several productive edits seem to have been made since the initial problematic (to me, at least) edits, thus disallowing Undo-ing and requiring more intensive analysis. What do you all think? Typoassassin 10:06, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Question: Is Ezio or is he not a Grand Master of the Assassin Order as of the events of Brotherhood? Or is he just a Master Assassin? Most of the stuff I've fond on the subject is contradictory. I suppose he is referred to as the leader of the Assassins in Brotherhood's story trailer, but is he a Master or Grand Master Assassin?
 * We've had conflicting information coming from Ubi; some says he is, whilst some say Maccers is. Until the release of the game wherein we'll hopefully find out for certain, we're going on the assumption that he is simply a Master Assassin. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:10, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ezio's Status in the Creed
I just finished with ACB, So spoilers for those who have not played the game yet, you have been warned

At the end of Sequence 7 after the induction of Claudia into the Assassin's Creed, Ezio is promoted to the Status of il Mentor or Guardian of the Assassin order(Supposed to be the Highest rank). And Nikolai (Sorry if my Spelling is Bad) was to be one of Ezio's Advisors.

You probably should change his status with the Assassin order accordingly.