Talk:Malik Al-Sayf

Descendant
Anybody else thinks that Malik may be an ancestor of Lucy? I mean it is possible, remember the writing on the wall there were two symbols that pointed out that history repeats itself, the Mandelbrot Set and the Lorenz Attractor. Here's a quote from the Lucy Stillman page.

"We have the Mandlebrot Set - an example of set theory and the repeating overall patterns of history."

I think the Mandelbrot Set represents that all the characters in Modern Times are just new versions of the same characters in the Third Crusade, remember, history repeats itself.

Anyway, continue the discussion so we can get some input.


 * Even if it does make sense, there's absolutelly nothing right now that points that direction. Therefore I think we can keep it on the article, but only as a possibility and as such should be moved to the "Trivia" section. -- D. Cello 04:05, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * I personally don't think that Malik may be related to Lucy. I think him being related to Antonio is more logical seeing as both have similar roles in the games. Aiding the game's protagonist as well as being the protagonist's friend. Also, their voices are a bit similar... - Master Sima Yi 11:39, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * It's far fetched. I mean she looks like Maria as well.
 * It's far fetched. I mean she looks like Maria as well.

I have never played AC2 but I always beleived that we can trace Lucy's ancestry back to Malik. Desmond is the descendant of Altair, Vidic is the descendant of Al Mualim, it'd be unfair if Malik is not present! By the way modern day DNA studies shows that a Y-chromosomal lineage with patterns suggesting that it originated from Mongolia circa 1000 years ago can now be found in 8% of the men in parts of Europe. These European men do not look Asiatic at all, yet they have Mongol ancestors. It’s possible that anyone today had an ancestor in any other place. If you are into genealogy then you might see what I mean. Roam 07:28, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Where did you get that Al Mualim is Vidic's ancestor? That wasn't in game. AgentValentine 07:56, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

That's just a fandom theory spreaded like that bloody Feudal Japan setting... -- D. Cello 17:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)



Name
Where is it said his name is Malik Al-Sayf? If this is true, the page could be moved to that, no? Master Sima Yi 11:41, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * "Malik" means "owner" so the name "Owner of the Sword" makes sense I guess. Cyberaltair 14:16, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * No changes will be made unless a verifiable source is given. Period. We already had the "Maria Thorpe" thing and it was enough. I wanna check and recheck those surnames to make sure it isn't fandom. -- D. Cello 02:50, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Malik means "King" or "Ruler".

Your honorable servant,

-Beirut

His last name ias a-sayf, it saasys in the credits.

Smiliey 08:58, January 22, 2010 (UTC)smiliey

Asked a friend who is of Arabic descent and he told me that Al-Sayf is actually a common surname where A-Sayf is not.

Someone put A-Sayf? I totally didn't notice. Good spot. 68.48.225.39 14:48, January 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that's nice and all, but he clearly appears as Malik A-Sayf in the credits, not Al-Sayf. And this wiki is about a game, not real surnames. Could a mod move it back? -- Master Sima Yi 13:30, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Not only the credits say that, but IMDB confirms it. -- D. Cello 14:57, February 3, 2010 (UTC)

IMDB information comes from the credits and it most likely is just a typo or a mistake. The word"A-Sayf" is completely senseless and meaningless. In Arabic "Al" is just a prefix; notice the words that come from Arabic: "Alcohol" or "Algebra". Even "Altair" has this prefix; since "tair" itself means bird or something that flies. Same thing with Al-Mualim (mualim means teacher/master). It's common for many people who hail from Arab-speaking regions to have the “Al-“ attached to their last names. I know "it's just a game", but I still believe it is meant to be "Al-Sayf" which means "Summer". "A-Sayf" however does NOT mean summer. Roam 07:51, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

At least this issue needs to be addressed in the article.

Then add a trivia note stating that the common surname is Al-Sayf, but maybe due to a typo mistake or creative liberty from Ubisoft the name in the game credits is stayed as A-Sayf. Simple. -- D. Cello 17:21, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I need to emphasis that A-Sayf does NOT mean summer. Al-Sayf means summer, and is written الصيف. There is an error in the article. Roam 08:04, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, we believe you, you can remove it. =] There's any possible meaning for A-Sayf? -- D. Cello 14:11, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

I have an Arabic friend. He says "Al-Sayf" means "of Swords" Which means his name, Malik Al-Sayf, means "King of Swords" -- HiddenAssassin13 9: 42 PM, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Malik Al-Sayf means King Of Sword or Owner Of Sword .... Malik A-Sayf means nothing its meaningless
 * Sign your posts, don't mess formatting -- D. Cello 15:17, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * its 1000000000000000000000000000000000000% Al-Sayf not A-Sayf
 * its 1000000000000000000000000000000000000% Al-Sayf not A-Sayf
 * its 1000000000000000000000000000000000000% Al-Sayf not A-Sayf

No Missing finger?
I like to talk about this. Though at the time when the first game was made, there was another possible reason, why Altaïr's finger was missing. It was said he removed it himself to prove his loyalty to the Creed and had no functionality to use the Hidden Blade at all. I'd like to hear from others to consult about this. It's just more as trivia to post, rather as fact, cause later we know that the finger was removed for the Hidden Blade, but at the development of the first game, I have my doubts if it was actually an error that Malik still has all his fingers. Altaïr February 23, 2010 (UTC)

that's just because of character inaccuracy. if u look at al mualim and the masyaf gurads they all are also missing their ring fingers.

Nulla è reale, tutto è lecito. Requiescat in Pace. 16:41, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Age
How old is Malik exactly? PassiveNeoluna 23:20, March 12, 2010 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found out. PassiveNeoluna 23:58, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Err... do you have a source? Not just AC1 game, somethingo more specific like "Assassin's Creed - Memory Sequence 3" or whatever? Sry, it's wiki policy. -- D. Cello 15:54, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Added sources for everything in the article. -- D. Cello 23:37, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked the strategy guide myself and it indeed states he's 26. Hope that helps. Altaïr 17:08, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not mentioning where I found the info PassiveNeoluna 21:04, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought the notes and references always go at the bottom at the article. -- Altaïr 01:43, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

Maliks rank
When playing Solomons temple i noted that Malik correctly carries same outfit as Altair, But where Altaïr is ranked as Master Assassins Malik must be on rank 7 or 8. Because Malik only carries the first short knife you get, the one with a wood handle (short blade lvl 1). And he carries the Knife belt which you get in Rank 7. Since i couldn't see him carry a sword it cant really be determined weather he is rank 7 or 8. but it cant be higher since you receive the lvl 2 Short Blade in rank 9.

Both Altaïr and Malik points out that Altaïr is superior to Malik in rank, in Jerusalem were Malik forgives Altaïr for his actions, and in Solomons temple at the beginning.

Is this something worth adding?

Mr.Pheenox 18:25, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. It is worthy. Actually, we could revamp and created a full article(s) about the rank system, since AC1 has lots of ranks indicators, such as belt size, cloth lenght, weapons and colors. Maybe we could create a project for it... what you think? -- D. Cello 18:58, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like a very good idea indeed. However, i don't think i would be suited for leading such a project if that was what your surguests. as i haven't even read the "how you do Wiki stuff" intro pages yet.

+ there is all ready an article about the rank system, however it could be deepened.

Mr.Pheenox 19:38, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

I have given it some thought D. Cello, and there are many things indicating ranks, and different purposes. Like black robes seams to be masters or Rafiques, there are the novices, and soldiers who carry the robes of Kadar, but seams to be able to give Altaïr orders... So there would probably be good with material for a project.

Mr.Pheenox 15:35, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

A new thing has come to my attention... while thinking of rank systems within AC ive noticed that it seams theres 2 different kinds of assassins. There are the ones Altair encounters while doing his research on his targets, some of them are on missions were they assassinate knights, archers you name it. They wear a different uniform then Altair. now it could ofcourse be an ranking issue.. but Altair weares the eagly suit even at rank zero. So i wondered even more, and i discovered another thing that seperates Altair from the other smaller assassins (and the reason i write it here) is the hidden blade.

Malik is the only other character seen with the hidden blade, and the eagle suit.. so an intresting conclusion could be that the eagle suit was rewarded to those assassins who carried a hidn blade. Any comments on this?

Mr.Pheenox 08:52, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Also... Kadar who join Malik and Altair in solomons temple.. wears a suit looking like the guards suits at the masters castle, and he doesn't wear an hidn blade.. but he is an important enough assassins to join Malik and Altair

Mr.Pheenox 08:55, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

All those things you mentioned were already said throuout the wiki. The official rank system works this way: This was discussed throughout the wiki, and we got information from the manual, the game guide, the art book and official interviews around the first game launch. -- D. Cello 21:57, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Informants are Novices
 * Apprentices wear the clothes seem in Masyaf's castle, at the library
 * Starting from initiate, the assassin starts weraing the "eagle suit", but each is unique:
 * The lower the rank, the less weapons avaiable for training, the tail is shorter, and the belts are narrower.
 * White hoods and hidden blades are only used from Assassin rank and above, and usually by members who fulfill missions. Guards and instructors wear gray hoods, as well as initiates and assassins below the full assassin rank.
 * Master Assassins is the highest serving rank within the order. It is caracterized by the long tail-like clothing, large leather belts and a longer red strip.
 * The Grand Master is the only member of the order authorized to wear a black hood, and a black overcoating.

well you have mentioned everything ive used to backup my theory but not.. the case of my discovery. That the eagle suit is linked with the hiddenblade not the master assassin rank. Since Malik ain't master assassin it can't be the master assassins who only carry the Eagle suit of altair.. but altair and malik are the only persons known with the hidden blade. And for that reason i am questioning if the eagle suit is linked to the hidden blade and not the rank. and asking for other peoples thoughts on this.

Ive just noticed that the info says "Starting from Initiate, the assassins wearing the 'eagle suit'"

But Kadar does not wear the eagle suit, and there are informants who ask Altair to help them clear out some archers because they are preparing a hit on some one else, and Novices would probably not get jobs where they need to kill people, or is it me who are wrong?

As i see it there are 2 types of assassins, the ones with hidden blade which are special picked by the master, and they are wearing the eagle suit, and then there are assassins who don't carry a hidden blade, the ones Altair encounters in the cities when they need some help.

I might be wrong, im just discussing the possibility Mr.Pheenox 09:03, July 24, 2010 (UTC)