Talk:Edward Kenway

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you can change Edwards Picture to a screenshot from the trailer? Just for now, becuase its better than nothing? :)

-- Lazy assassin without Account
 * We will wait until we can get a high quality picture. -- 17:04, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ive got a couple of pictures, are these good enough? EdwardKenwayNoHood.pngEdwardKenwayDualPistolHood.png
 * Ive got a couple of pictures, are these good enough? EdwardKenwayNoHood.pngEdwardKenwayDualPistolHood.png


 * Uceniku iz Nosti (talk) 20:39, March 3, 2013 (UTC)Uceniku iz Nosti


 * No. Too low quality. Wait for a high quality render. -- 20:41, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just wait till you can do top quality, perfection cannot be rushed :D  Forgotten -Animus- 21:11, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, the waiting went well. That was quickly than I expected. Roger Murtaugh (talk) 19:15, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Edward Teach's Quote
Do you think Edward Teach's quote about Edward Kenway should be added as his quote in the article? --Cococrash11 (talk) 22:07, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Early life section
Source official AC4:BF Q&A

Edward Kenway is a young, brash Welshman born to an English Father and Welsh mother. He is charismatic and clever, but has a recklessness that borders on pathological. He is generally kind, but naturally selfish, and has a habit of valuing his own ludicrous ideas long before he will consider sensible or rational approaches to any problem. And he enjoys his drink, much to the detriment of his vital organs.

By the time Edward was in his early teens his family had moved to Bristol in the south West of England where he eventually met and married a woman two years his senior, the lovely and stable Caroline Scott. By all accounts the marriage was a lively one, but Caroline soon grew tired of Edward’s inability to find steady work or take his responsibilities as a husband seriously. But it was Edward’s grandiose ideas about sailing as a privateer in the West Indies and earning a fortune in gold that eventually disrupted what should otherwise have been a happy marriage.

Caroline eventually left Edward to return to her family’s modest home, leaving Edward alone with his bitter ambitions. But — much to everyone’s surprise – made good on this one promise. In late 1712, he boarded a ship and set sail for Jamaica to sail with renowned privateer, Benjamin Hornigold. And here he would remain for six months, until history threw Edward and his company another complication: Peace broke out.

In 1713, the treaty of Utrecht effectively ended all conflict between the major empires. British Privateers were no longer needed or indeed tolerated in the West Indies, causing thousands of previously active sailors to find themselves out of work. Not the most ideal situation for these young and restless men … for as the old saying goes, “Idle hands are the Devil’s workshop…” And indeed, in the following years, Edward, and so many of his bretheren would find the Devil’s work far more attractive than their King’s…

By 1715, Edward has already been a sailor for 2 years, an experience that has given him a taste for all the dangers and excitements to be found at sea. He can reef a sail, weigh an anchor, and swab a deck as any average sailor must. He has also developed extraordinary sense of balance and talent for climbing, even under the harshest conditions – “every finger’s a fishhook” as sailors of old were known to say. --ACsenior (talk) 13:22, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

What is the story of Assassin’s Creed IV Black Flag? Where does it take place?

ACIVBF tells the story of Edward Kenway, a young British man that left the navy to embrace piracy during the final decade of the Golden Age of Piracy in the West Indies (now known as the Caribbean).

Edward will be thrown in the middle of the ancient war between Templars and Assassins. He will be trained by them and finally become the first Kenway member of the Assassin Order. He’s the father of Haytham, Connor is therefore Edward’s grandson

Nationality
To head off any edit-wars over Edward's nationality. On the assumption that Edward was born before 1707 (which is highly likely, in my opinion), Edward would have technically been born in England (Wales was a principality and legally a part of the Kingdom of England up until the Act of Union 1707), but upon the Act coming into force his nationality would have changed to 'British'. As the game is set after the Act, I propose (and recommend) that we keep him labelled as British and avoid any arguments that might stem from his parentage. -- 13:35, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hate to dredge up an old topic but he has a Welsh accent in this trailer. Can we embrace our hero's Welshness then? Then again, we could defer to Ubisoft if they start referring to him as Welsh. --Alientraveller (talk) 19:43, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't hear Welsh. It sounds like a young Sean Connery accent to me. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  19:49, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I would strongly advise against changing our description of Edward from British to Welsh for a number of reasons: 1) he is the son of an English father, so why don't we call him English? and 2) it will lead to edit wars. "British" is the best, and most amiable option we have at present. -- 13:04, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I don't care one way or another because I find the distinguation idiotic for a pirate who abandoned his country but he refers to himself as Welsh and corrects people when they call him an Englishman. --Revan&#39;s Exile (talk) 01:28, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Debating his nationality, I agree, is of no real importance. What is of importance is the trivia note about Kenway's accent being wrong. First, no where in the reference does it state Matt Ryan chose to voice Kenway in a Mancunian accent. Or am I missing something? Secondly, Kenway most certainly has a South Welsh English accent, albeit it weakened having lived near Bristol. Originally Matt Ryan portrayed Kenway in a Manchester/Bristol accent, but the producers loved his actual Welsh accent and asked him to use that. Benxander (talk) 17:19, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Skills and veapons
Source official AC4:BF Q&A

Stealth wise, Edward’s brash behaviour gives him new ingredients to play with. Using people’s homes (hiding doors) to evade patrols, hiring prostitutes to distract guards and getting drunk pirates to do some dirty fighting for him.

Edward’s main arsenals are the dual swords and multi-pistols. The multi-pistols are a tool that can be combined with any other weapon to have insane kill counts. Besides this Edward also gets a blowpipe with multiple effect darts, the double hidden blades (AC classic) and is able to use all the weapons enemies carry (Rifles, single sword, knives and Heavy Axe). The Rope Dart will also make a return.--ACsenior (talk) 13:39, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

YOB
Edward's YOB is no longer unknown. He is described as being 22 years old in 1715, so that would mean he was born in 1693 (maybe 1692 if his birthday was late). If one wants to play it safe, we could say circa 1693.Darth Something (talk) 14:14, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Source? -- 15:30, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Grand Master of Templars?
Really? Where did this info come from? Xeoxer (talk) 19:36, March 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * That refers to his son, Haytham. The commas are supposed to be parentheses, but I understand your confusion. -- 19:39, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Dude? Did you read it properly? 19:38, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * The commmas were most certainly not meant to be parenthesis; the parenthesis is an abomination against grammar and have no place in an articles introduction. That said, a hyphen would probably have been clearer. -- 09:41, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Jasca, I put the commas there, so I know what it was supposed to mean. But, regardless, it was a misjudgment to put them there, I accept that.  17:43, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Error in Biography Section
I've just signed up to this wiki so dont really know much about how the edit ect. but I have noticed a correction that is needed in the Biography Section. Bristol is in the South-West of England not the South-East.

PsychoticPacifist (talk) 00:04, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

All you gotta do is press the edit button the next time you want to change something. -- IlMualim  Wanna Chat? 00:08, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I don't seam to have access to change "main" pages the edit button only appears on talk pages, am i doing something wrong?

PsychoticPacifist (talk) 06:35, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

These "main" pages were locked to anonymous and "new" users due to excessive edits that were typically of a speculative, messy, or unsourced nature. 06:44, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, makes sense. I know this is probably being picky, but it's just that I'm from Bristol and in the interest of this page being factually correct and because I can not change anything yet... Bristol is not a coastal city therefore is just in the South-West of England not the Suth-West Coast. Though we do have a port ect. and Bristol is well know for it's pirate history, Edward Teach (Blackbeard) was allegdly born in Bristol

PsychoticPacifist (talk) 07:18, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Change has been made. -- 09:12, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks PsychoticPacifist (talk) 17:42, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Render
Here is something i found that could be a better render. good, bad, vote or not? Well thats something i'm doing to let you, the people deside.--ACsenior (talk) 19:43, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Edward's YOB
Where did you get Edward's year of birth? HunterGff (talk) 19:25, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Click on the "[1]" right next to it; it is sourced/referenced. -- 19:27, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Not sure if the reference tag is incorrect, or not... but when I click the "[1]" next to his year of birth, the tag for that source is marked as red... shouldn't we create the page for that reference? It says "Assassin's Creed: The Watch" I can create it real quick if you want, I know what it is.   Supreme Master Assassin O Mentoras 19:54, July 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * You don't need permission to create a page; this is a database that anyone can edit. -- 19:56, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Wales vs England
For Those Who Don't Know, Wales Is Part Of Britain. For More Information, Look It Up. 2myname1 (talk) 22:59, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Whilst I agree with your sentiment, your lack of grammar and the tone of your message is somewhat rude. Action has already been taken in regards to this matter, so it was not necessary to leave this message. -- 08:17, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * First Of All, My Statement Wasn't Supposed To Make Anyone Feel Good. Second, This Edit War Seems To Have Some Newcomer At Some Point Join The Fray And Change "Britain" To "Wales". So I Figured That It Should Have Its Own Topic, For Easier Reference.


 * PS There Was No Lack Of Grammar In My Sentiment. Purposeful Misuse, Yes, But Not A Lack. 2myname1 (talk) 22:57, September 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * First of all, putting a capital at the start of each word is an eyesore, so stop it. Secondly, the issue is resolved. There is no need to carry it on by posting about it here. Slate Vesper (talk) 23:01, September 10, 2013 (UTC)

Edward's Hair
Isn't it nice how it shines in the light *twinkle twinkle*. Um, no, never mind that part. I just saw that in the E3 cinematic trailer, which starts at a fight in the bar, at a certain point (1:19) you can see, that Edward actually has black hair. In the beginning I thought it was the lighting, but that's a bit extreme. It's pretty dark, but his hair is actually black. But in Forsaken he is supposed to have dark hair, as said in the trivia. So maybe it's an easter egg, or just a mistake, which I thought was unlikely. -- Altaïr 23:33, October 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lighting. Or lack thereof. -- 23:34, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bad job on Ubisoft's part then. You think they would have prepared better for trailers that actually cost a lot of money to make.-- Altaïr 00:31, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

Templar
Given that Edward was, technically, inducted into the Templar Order in Havana, should we be sticking the Templar icon at the top of his page? Indeed, I would also think we might consider adding Category:Templar turncoats to the article... -- 11:21, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Templars inducted "Duncan Walpole" and Edward only played along for the reward Duncan was promised. 11:30, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Granted, but someone - besides Woodes and Julien - was inducted into the Order that day; as Duncan was dead at the time, and we do not consider him to have joined that Order (at least, not according to his own article), then that only leaves Edward. Whether it was under false pretences or not is the issue. (Which is the same issue we have with Aveline, actually.) -- 12:02, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think he was briefly a templar under the alias of Duncan Walpole, he even received the templar ring so.. I think we should add him to the templar category. Barruca (talk) 12:18, November 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah he kinda worked for the Templars a bit and even killed Assassin BUT he never swore allegiance and it is clear from his actions he didn't give two hoots about their goals or ideals. He was never a Templar. (Arabian411269 (talk) 01:15, November 5, 2013 (UTC))

Edward posed as a Templar because Duncan Walpole was promised a reward, and being the pirate he is, Edward saw the opportunity to make himself rich after he learned this upon killing Duncan. It further elaborates in the Black Flag novel that Edward and his family had been victim to a Templar attack, and once he learned that Torres and his subordinates were Templars, he wanted nothing to do with them, but didn't see that as an excuse to be all buddy-buddy with the Assassins either. Slate Vesper (talk) 02:47, November 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * The idea of being unbound by the laws of common men suited Edward completely. He even commented on how he liked the "Everything is permitted" portion of the creed. I got the feeling that he just saw the Templars' ideals as just weird in the beginning but never really concerned himself with them. Kinda like when your foreign girlfreind watches football with you and cheers even though she doesn't understand the game. He was going to find the Observatory and sell its secrets to the Templars. Torres didn't get on his bad side until Edward found out he was hiding gold. Not until he really looked back and evaluated how much the search for the Observatory had personnaly cost him did he reconcider his plan to help the Templars. The ONLY reason he openned up to the Assassin's is because of Mary Read and even then he never really did become an Assassin, at least not in game. (Arabian411269 (talk) 19:43, November 5, 2013 (UTC))


 * He did become an Assassin, but very late into the game. It was in the last two or three sequences, and not a lot of time was spent as him being one. A good indicator is his ship's flag. I payed special attention to that flag, and he had a generic skull-and-crossbones design...until his epiphany about his own greed. He did become an Assassin in-game 2myname1 (talk) 11:44, November 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * He fully understood their creed by that point and adopted their principles, but it is never formally stated that Edward was an Assassin. He soon became one after he tied some loose ends up in Bristol. Slate Vesper (talk) 20:35, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

I hate the way the kill Edward off.
So after i was done reading this page, I was sorely upset. I hate the way they kill him off. Like seriously let Edward die in a heroic way, instead of just getting stabbed in the chest.TwixBreak (talk) 20:35, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry mate, they wrote his death before they wrote his game. Gboy4 (talk) 21:00, November 5, 2013 (UTC)

Well, great heroes sometimes die in the most unexpected ways to novices.49.205.171.35 15:48, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Head Quote
Edwards's Quote is a spoiler, please change 108.193.68.136 17:23, November 28, 2013 (UTC)Anonymous2
 * It's underneath the spoiler tag, so there's not really a problem if you heed the warning. 17:28, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

We're a database of all information. We don't avoid spoilers. We do have a spoiler template, though, as Stormbeast said. Ignoring it or looking over it is one's own responsiblity. -- 17:31, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Aside from what the others have said, make a suggestion, why don't you? Simply going "Change it" is not really the way to go. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  17:39, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's also not a spoiler, since the information originall came from Forsaken, which was released well over a year ago. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 20:34, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Dod
The page states that he died on 3 december, and thats sourced to forsaken, but forsaken states that he died on 9 december

What page number specifies that? Slate Vesper (talk) 16:34, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * "It happened on the night before my birthday. The attack, I mean." Since Haytham's birthday is the 4th December, the date on the article is correct. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:59, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Relationship with Rhona
I noticed while doing the Templar Hunt with Rhona in Havana that Edward and Rhona already seemed to know each other. I already checked the database, but there was nothing about it. Do they just know each other by reputation or is there more to it?

Middle Name
Looking at Edward Kenway's article, it strikes me as odd that his middle name is "James" despite his father's first name being Bernard, doesn't European rule in England state that your middle name is whatever your father's first name was? I'm a little confused, and Haytham's middle starts with an "E" following that rule, Hatytham's middle name can only be "Edward" but then why isn't Edward's middle not Bernard instead of James? There's gotta be a loop hole somewhere.  Supreme Master Assassin O Mentoras 17:42, January 24, 2014 (UTC)