Talk:Master Assassin

Niccoló Machiavelli and Mario Auditore
Shouldn't Niccoló Machiavelli and Mario Auditore be listed here? Since both were grand masters at some point.Dattish 15:36, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

No such thing as Grand Masters, they just have Leaders and Mentors in the Rennaissance. Besides it is possible to be leader without being a Master Assassins. IlMualim 08:32, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Malik
Did Malik not become a master assassin though? I'm pretty sure he did. MorennAC 10:23, July 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Im pretty sure he didn't. Altair rubbed it in his face with the quote, "Im superior to you, in BOTH SKILL AND RANK" I think that's enough proof War  Clown Wanna Talk? 10:29, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and then Altair screwed up and became a novice, whereas Malik got his own bureau. I assumed that bureau leaders were master assassins?
 * MorennAC 10:57, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * No they are Rafiqs, a different rank. War  Clown Wanna Talk? 11:15, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, Altaïr said "I'm your superior, in both title and ability." Just heard him say that. :P -- Master Sima Yi 11:48, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, Altaïr said "I'm your superior, in both title and ability." Just heard him say that. :P -- Master Sima Yi 11:48, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sanctuary
If Wei Yu and Qulan Gal etc. weren't Master Assassins, then why do they stand right next to Altaïr in the sanctuary? -- Master Sima Yi 11:48, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely no mention whatsoever the Altaïr's statue is in the Sanctuary because he is a Master Assassin; Mario calls them "legendary", which Altaïr is. You can be legendary, without having the rank of Master Assassin. Likewise, nothing in-game indicates them to be Master Assassins. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:33, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * The same can be said for Ezio Auditore: where is it said he is a Master Assassin? -- Master Sima Yi 14:02, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * The blurb for Brotherhood explicitly calls Ezio, a Master Assassin. If you looked at the source, you'd see that. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:07, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, you're right. I'm not having my day... -_- -- Master Sima Yi 18:11, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine, no worries. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:17, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * um, on the Sanctuary page it does specificly say "It houses seven statues of seven Master Assassins." so shouldn't we go ahead and add them? Zachariah Zuan 01:08, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey I just noticed what Zachariah has mentioned above aswell. Taking into consideration what Jasca points out, it does not state that the assassin's in the sanctuary are Master Assassins... I have therefore taken the liberty to re-word this accordingly. Lord of the Creed  17:20, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks for checking and doing that, I was just making sure, but this seems pretty accurate "In 1227, after Genghis Khan defeated the Tangut people, Qulan Gal shot Genghis Khan's horse with a bow, causing him to fall off and succumb to his injuries, for which Qulan Gal was hailed as a Master Assassin." Zachariah Zuan 23:36, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * thanks for checking and doing that, I was just making sure, but this seems pretty accurate "In 1227, after Genghis Khan defeated the Tangut people, Qulan Gal shot Genghis Khan's horse with a bow, causing him to fall off and succumb to his injuries, for which Qulan Gal was hailed as a Master Assassin." Zachariah Zuan 23:36, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Grand Master
Where is it actually said that a Master Assassin isn't actually the Grand Master? -- Master Sima Yi 12:51, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first game. Altair is called a Master Assassin, whilst Al Mualim is Grand Master. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:38, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Perotto Calderon
I need a second opinion here. Though it's never really said outright in Project Legacy, is it enough to assume that Perotto Calderon was a Master Assassin given he was allowed to take an understudy/apprentice and had dual hidden blades? =GuardDog 12:51, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Assume? No, it's not. We never add assumption or speculation on articles. -- Master Sima Yi 12:52, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sima's right, assumptions aren't allowed, no matter how much they may be implied. I'm of the same opinion that Calderon was a Master Assassin as well, due to the obvious reasons you've already stated, Guard. However, since there's nothing explicitly stating that he was, we can't put it officially on the article. (Hence why it's in the trivia instead, "...Calderon was implied to be a Master Assassin..." The same sort of thing goes for Bill Miles / William M. -- we all know they're more than likely the same person, but we can't do anything pretaining to that until we have official proof. -Assassin-of-Rayne- 13:07, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Kay, got it. Thanks, both of you. =GuardDog 13:27, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentices
Do all the apprentices earn the title of Master Assassin at Rank 10? If not please remove that reference on the Hidden Blade Page under Basic Usage - Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood - Apprentices.

Subject 12 16:22, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

you don't need to be a master assassin to use hidden blade, just become an Assassin Zachariah Zuan 15:50, March 30, 2011 (UTC)

Master Limit
how many Master Assassins can their be at any one time? is there a limit to like, one per branch, like 1 in Italy, 1 in the UK and such or can they're be limitless? it'd make sense to have a limit imo Zachariah Zuan 15:52, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * If we knew, it would be in the article. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:20, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well considering they have revealed in Revelations that you can have Master Assassin's to protect each Assassin Den in Turkey, I would say that there can definately be multiple Master Assassin's per branch.. .-. ..- -.. .. - --- 08:45, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well considering they have revealed in Revelations that you can have Master Assassin's to protect each Assassin Den in Turkey, I would say that there can definately be multiple Master Assassin's per branch.. .-. ..- -.. .. - --- 08:45, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Desmond
Since Desmond has all of Ezio's skills and abilitys should he be considered a Master Assassin? -- daleno - 00:14, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * No. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 00:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Notable Master Assassins
I feel we should change the Known Master Assassins section to Notable Master Assassin's as in ACR it has been said that master Assassins will guard the Assassin dens, so... What say you? Subject 12 07:39, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe when the game's been released. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:11, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Why is Malik Al-Syaf not on the Known Master assassins. I mean he was Known as a Master Assassin. He had all of the same robes and gear as Altair did. I just was wondering, I think it is more naotable than Piri Reis, A charecter we had not even met yet. He was a main charecter in Assassin's Creed so I think he deserves a slot under the list.CrazyTemplar 01:11, October 29, 2011 (UTC)CrazyTemplar
 * He's not on the list because he never held the rank. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:27, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Does Malik not gain the rank of Master Assassin after Al Mualim's death? Seeing as he was left in charge of the whole Order when Altair went to kill Genghis Khan, I always assumed he gained that rank by then ... Eggy2504 19:19, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Im pretty sure Malik Graduated and became a Master Assassin the same year that Altair did. They were both in Solomon's Temple together and had the same robes and gear, and he had the longer robes and the beak on his hood. So he was always a Master Assassin. But when he was maimed by Robert and his Knights he was unable to preform Assassinations. But my point is that he was a known Master Assassin and that he should be on the list. Thats just what I think you dont have to put it on of you want.CrazyTemplar 19:29, October 30, 2011 (UTC)CrazyTemplar


 * It is never said he gained the rank, so it is speculation and thus not true. That said, he did not hold the rank of Master Assassin at the same time as Altaïr, as Altaïr said "I am your superior, in both title and ability" while in Solomon's Temple. -- Master Sima Yi 20:04, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Should't Kasim be listed here? I know he is not a major character in Revelations but he was still a Master Assassin.91jonno 17:08, March 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Notable implies that they did something that made them well known. Just because we're aware that someone was a Master Assassin, it does not mean they're notable. Slate Vesper 17:14, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Originally it was called "notable" due to the fact that their are, obviously, more Master Assassin's out their than just the ones we knew. It might be an idea to create a category for Master Assassins so that we can correctly label them, without swamping this page with "No Image". -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:56, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Glitched
I have a glitched level 15 assassin and assigned to a den but cant do master assassin quest? how do i fix this? can i get the assassin killed to re assign or what? if you can help send me an email at [mailto:gingerking16@hotmail.com gingerking16@hotmail.com] 24.18.100.81 05:09, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Adding Connor
i think that Connor should be added to the notoble master assassins section. 22:23, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Was he a Master Assassin? 22:28, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I Think so he showed greater skill than that of Altair & Ezio, but i'm not sure. 22:33, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unless he's directly stated to be a Master Assassin in-game then I'd just leave it for now. 22:40, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * He's never called a Master Assassin. He doesn't join the list. -- 23:19, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * actually he was called a master assassin just read the back of the box98.250.4.115 03:04, January 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Which box? The AC3 case doesn't mention anything about being a Master Assassin. 03:27, January 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Checked case. It's not there. DarkFeather Raven's NestRaven's Hunt 05:50, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * As an aside, the AC4 box bestows Edward the title of 'Master Assassin', despite the fact he doesn't even technically join the Order during the events of the game. Just becauses it's ona box, doesn't mean it's canon. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:25, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * He was referred to as a Master Assassin somewhere in AC4. I'll check where it was. -- 07:03, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought it was mentioned in the Aveline DLC but I forgot which part I found it... -- 10:43, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not mentioned in the Aveline DLC. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 11:31, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * no its Connors robes 98.250.4.115 02:31, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * ...what about them? -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 07:27, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe he is trying to say that the description for Connor Kenway's robes calls him a Master Assassin. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:24, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * Needs something more substantial than an outfit description written from Abstergo's perspective. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  17:42, January 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * how about the ubisoft assassins creed iii page 98.250.4.115 05:16, February 2, 2014 (UTC)http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/Info.aspx?pId=10500