Talk:Altaïr Ibn-La'Ahad's Codex

can we link or merge these with the very descriptive history and movements of the codex i worte up earlier titled "The Codex of Altair"?

I was wondering if this younger Assassin Altair send out to investigate Ghengis Khan could be one of his sons. This could possibly be the one how sparked the bloodline that lead to subjekt 16. beeing located in the far east, 16's ancestors also could be the ones who gave the Codex to Marco Polo through Kublai Khan (who could even be one of 16's ancestors).

Randomnutjob: Ok, I have a theory. What if Altair is a prominent antagonist in the modern day? I mean, due to a nihilistic fear of death, it's heavily implied that he looked into the apple of eden again in order to find out how to become immortal. (at least, in an age-based way) If he used the apple for such an end, what's to say that he, A. Wasn't corrupted by the apple's influence after using it for something so large and, B. Didn't find a way to become immortal at that point? I know he's a the protagonist of the first game, but he's still human and isn't immune to the apple's corruption, as noted in the codex.

Take a look at page 17 of the codexes - Pillars so tall they seem to pierce the heavens- Skyscrapers? Ground rumbled and shuddered- earthquake reference, Mountains split and crack- not sure on this one but seems something that affects the world geographically according to the end. Great metal towers splintered- Reference to buildings again, possibly New York or somewhere in the U.S with tall towers which might have collapsed. This information is useful in predicting the plot of ACIII

122.164.118.244 16:36, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Connections- All the mothers of the great assassins are called Maria? Just a theory though, Jesus' mother is the Virgin Mary, called Maria in Europe, then Maria Auditore? Maria Thorpe? These three Marias influence the story of the Assassins, possibly making Altair's child even more powerful than Altair himself, transcening the height of power

16:44, February 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Er, I'm pretty sure the Virgin Mary is known as; well, Mary in Europe. She is here in the UK. Besides, it's OR, so it's not going in the article. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 17:02, February 25, 2010 (UTC


 * Well, in Germany she actually is known as "Jungfrau Maria".

Codex 17 section
There is something VERY wrong with the information appended to the Codex #17. It claims that Altair's vision is that which is shown in 'The Truth' video. However, the vision is actually of the last geological event which destroyed most life on earth (the switching of the magnetic poles). I could not change this myself as the page is locked. Could someone please fix codex 17 by removing the last sentence (which is in parenthesis).

Thanks

I can't see any reference to the truth video oO -- D. Cello 15:43, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

The connection I see is what you see in the truth video, though it's not verified. He speaks about metal towers and mountains. Which seem to me is what Adam and Eve are standing on at the end of the video while you see a mountain in the background. So it seems what Altaïr saw was the end of those who came before. -- Altaïr 17:13, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, I see nothing explicitly suggesting that his vision had anything to do with the last geological event. I also see nothing to indicate it has anything to do with the 'Truth' video. Most likely, I think it's a prediction of the future, with the metal towers simply being skyscrapers or similar. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 16:40, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well obviously he saw some great disaster. The coincidence though is that he speaks of Metal Towers as well as mountains. Again to me that seems he's talking about what is seen at the end of the truth video, though you don't see it happening of course. It's possibly also he saw the future... There's no clear evidence of this, it could be either way -- Altaïr 18:04, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally when I first read the codex page in question, I too thought that it was about what had happened in the past, and there are many people who have concluded that. And clearly, the makers of the game would know this would be an assumption. If it would be the future Altair was seeing, then you have to conclude that the world will end. So in which case, what is the point of Desmond? Cause nothing that has been seen was changed. But as it is, we don't know either way, so either we should say 'some of the possible theories are....' or just leave it completely until something is known. But personally I think it is pretty obvious it was the past Altair saw. He saw a vision of how 'they' died, just as Subject 16 saw how the Apple was taken - Maria Thorpe March 13 2010 (UTC)
 * the problem with the arguement that Al was seeing the events depicted in 'The Truth' is that Subject Sixteen only see these events in a genetic memory, brought on by his time in the Animus. So there is no merit to the arguement that he is seeing a past event. Besides, 'The Truth' doesn't depict anything getting destroyed whatsoever (besides a glass window), so it's shouldn't even be mentioned at all. Plus, it's OR and cannot be sourced, so it's not going in at all. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 04:11, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * OP here. I just thought I'd clarify my meaning. Altair's vision describes 4 things, pillars of flame, the ground shuddering, mountains cracking and metal towers splintering. Some of those things are fairly straightforward. The earth shuddering and mountains splitting is simply and earthquake and volcano. The metal towers could be A) the facilities built by those who came before (in the past) or B) the sky scrapers of modern man (the present). The pillars of fire could mean anything, but considering the context of the Assassin's Creed universe I'm persuaded to believe that they refer to what would be experience in the event that the earth lost its magnetisms. The Sun's radiation would ionise the gas in the atmosphere and cause it to glow like the Aurora (the radiation would also set just about everything on the face of the earth on fire, killing all life in the process). This is also how Minerva described the events of the past, saying that while Humans and her kind where fighting they did not notice the geological event until it was too late. That's why it killed so many people (screaming, etc). This is why I believe that the imagine shown to Altair by the apple as documented in Codex #17 is an image of the geological event (which happened sometime after the humans waged war upon Those Who Came Before) rather than an image of the future or of 'The Truth' video.

On a slightly related note, it's worth adding that even while the Earth's magnetic poles are shifting the earth still maintains its magnetic field, so there is no real danger to life on earth.
 * Erm, when the Earth's magnetic poles do switch, anything utilising said magnetic field (compasses, GPS, Digital surveying, Aeroplanes, pretty much anything electronic) will be screwed. I think that's a fair amount of danger to life on earth. Not to mention all the natural damage that'll be caused. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 10:23, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your theory does make sense, anonymous, but it's a theory =/. An encyclopedia is comprised of facts, while theories remain on the talk pages to be added if proven right. Know what I mean? -- D. Cello 23:33, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

The Emblem on p. 25
What is that emblem on the bottom of the picture exactly? PassiveNeoluna 23:26, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Umm well I was wondering more about the symbol of the emblem, like it is a sword with vines, A sword with a winged hilt, a cross with lions, a cross with fish? PassiveNeoluna 21:51, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Likely it's her family crest. -- Altaïr 09:11, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

30 pages?
When playing Assassins creed Bloodlines you see clips of Altaïr writing his thoughts and experiences in a book, these scenes might be Altaïr writing his Codex. That made me think, if the book contains episodes thoughts and discoveries from his whole life, 30 pages seams little. But when reading the history of how Ezio's family gained the Codex, and what his grandfather did to it it seams rather possible that there is more pages and they were lost when the pirates took the cargo. also many of the pages has no connection, it seams like plug outs from a deeper work.

Wouldn't it be possible that there were more pages but they simply was lost?

Mr.Pheenox 19:12, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The map in AC2 isn't missing anything. It is possible, just highly improbable. Ooor, there were 30 main pages and side notes in other pages. -- D. Cello 19:45, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed there aren't more then 30 pages in game, im more speaking hypothetically :)

Mr.Pheenox 19:57, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, would it seem more probable that only the pages containing the map were saved (or revealed to be saved) and given to the Assassin's? The other missing pages either lost or hidden and thought to be lost? There is evidence that there are missing pages, because the work is incomplete and fragmented. Just a theory, but is it not valid? Dark Scion 21:15, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. There is only thirty pages to the Codex, get over it. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 10:42, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then please explain the fragmented pages. --Dark Scion 12:42, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then please explain the fragmented pages. --Dark Scion 12:42, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree with Pheenox and Scion; there may only be 30 codex pages in the game, which were the 30 main ones there were required to see the picture, but most, if not all of the codexes don't make sense together. Some continue a thought from a previous one, but most of them are a single page that doesn't follow along with the rest of the codex. A.J. two 12:51, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * There aren't any "fragmented" pages. The Codex is written like a diary would be, it's not a novel or anything like that, it's a collection of his thoughts. There are only thirty Codex pages, full stop. We know this because we have a complete map at the end of the game on the Codex wall, and the idea that Ezio just happened to find the exact pages that make up the map, ignoring the rest, or that only thirty pages were recovered, and the remainder were not, is simply stupid. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:39, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Almost every single non-image page is left trailing off into other thoughts. Since it is a place to write down his thoughts why would he not complete the topic he was writing about? The pages also have little synergy, "fragmented", they don't fit together... as if they had been torn from different parts of the book. And of course it would be stupid to think Ezio only found pages with maps, how did the codex pages get seperated? because they were split apart! We think the "missing pages" were hidden or lost at the time of separation and the pages with the map were deliberately saved and scattered. --Dark Scion 19:56, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Almost every single non-image page is left trailing off into other thoughts. Since it is a place to write down his thoughts why would he not complete the topic he was writing about? The pages also have little synergy, "fragmented", they don't fit together... as if they had been torn from different parts of the book. And of course it would be stupid to think Ezio only found pages with maps, how did the codex pages get seperated? because they were split apart! We think the "missing pages" were hidden or lost at the time of separation and the pages with the map were deliberately saved and scattered. --Dark Scion 19:56, July 21, 2010 (UTC)