Talk:Timeline

Federico Auditore da Firenze
All of his links were broken, linking to a certain "Frederico" I've not heard of. Went through and fixed them, linking them to his page and correcting the spelling of his name. AgentValentine 05:26, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Contradictions
This is the timeline of the Assassin's Creed universe, no? If so then shouldn't we keep the history of this timeline with only what happens in the AC games, or at least not insert historical information that contradicts with information related to AC. For example there are two dates of when Robert De Sable dies, the AC death and his actual historical death. Shouldn't we only put the death in that happened in the AC wiki to avoid such contradictions? -- Altaïr 15:33, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely right, Al. -- D. Cello 15:31, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

Removal of certain facts
This timeline is getting really big. One thing I think is totally irrelevant if for example when Xerxes is born. I don't think that's important to know. The most important date to know is when he was killed, cause this is about the assassin who killed him, not the one who is killed necessarily. If the character appeared in one of the games, that's another story. -- Altaïr 21:53, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * People are editing this thing so much because of Badges x.x I agree, Al. Only relevant stuff should be kept. -- D. Cello 20:55, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

I think we should keep in account how big this list could become. I mean how are we going to chose what's important or not. You saw me removing that Leo painted the Mona Lisa. But one day I removed many historical facts of Leo's life. Other paintings. Leo who had to appear before court. Other facts which don't appear or are not even metionned in ACII. And there are many historical figures where we could add facts from which we don't even see or hear about. Where do we pull the line, if we allow these things to be added? -- Altaïr 04:12, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Centuries
Another thing I had in mind is changing the content list. I think we should add centuries and make them into categories for in the contents, so that the list isn't so long and is easier to browse into. -- Altaïr 22 02, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Centuries as two equals (==) ,years as three (===) and dates as four (====). -- D. Cello 20:56, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

First Disaster
What is that? -- D. Cello 02:08, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

It is referring to what Minerva mentioned at the end of ACII. She said that, with their time occupied fighting the Humans, THCB failed to realize that something bad was about to happen. And so, they didn't have time to protect the planet before, what is presumed to be a solar flare, killed off all but a few of both species. But, wit their numbers too low, THCB died off, with Humans taking over as sole "owners" of Earth. A.  J.  two  02:15, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah, I remember that now (thanks AJ). We should create a page about it then. -- D. Cello 02:31, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * done. At least a stub for expansion. A.  J.   two  03:02, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Changing Before Christ and Anno Domini
I've mentioned this before, but does anyone agree with me about changing the timeline abrivations to BCE and CE? I just personally think it would be more appropriate since the abriviation BCE is used in "the Truth" video. Lunatic  Enlighten Me 17:18, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Hidden blade - Desmond
Hey, doesnt Desmond receive the hidden blade on the 9th September 2012?

Ezio27 04:23, September 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Irrelevant. -- Master Sima Yi 13:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Leonardo joining the Borgia
Leonardo has already joined the Borgia by 1499/1500, so i changed it from 1501 to 1499. (Gameplay video) Cesare to one of his accomplice, "Give me the gun his friend fashioned for us.."

(Vatsa1708 10:21, November 16, 2010 (UTC))

Ezio's Healing 1499
Niccolo Machiavelli doesn't nurse Ezio. He believes Ezio to be killed during the villa attack. (Vatsa1708 10:33, November 16, 2010 (UTC))


 * Edit: Niccolo later reveals that he brought Ezio to Rome..

(Vatsa1708 16:21, November 18, 2010 (UTC))


 * Irrelevant. -- Master Sima Yi 13:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

10th October 2012
The date Desmond, Lucy et al went to Il Colosseo shouldn't be listed under Unknown Date, Lucy says the date is 10th October, 72 days before the planned launch of the Eye Abstergo. JohnMoore 00:19, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

Interbreeding
Shouldn't the interbreeding start before the first disaster and the theft of the apple by Adam and Eve? Cause i always thought Adam and Eve were the first result of interbreeding. How could they steal the apple if it didn't affect them less than other humans?EXistenZ! 10:06, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * You make a good point here but there are two possibilities I see for this:

They [Adam and Eve] 'evolved' either due to gradual immunisation to the POEs controlling powers, or Adam and Eve may simply have been 'made' wrong by TWCB getting sloppy, Not hard to imagine considering they were lazy enough to create Humans in the first place to do their work for them as tools...

Subject AMDR 15:17, January 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah i always thought that Adam and eve were results of interbreeding, like one of TWCB had a ride with a human slave. Cause many ancient myths talk about gods and humans having intercourse, with sometimes demi-gods as a result (herakles being the most famous). And then they rebelled against their creators (a bit like how Prometheus stole the fire from the Gods) But it's true, we don't actually know when the interbreeding began. EXistenZ! 20:43, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Contents
Isin't there any way to remove the serial numbers from the contents. Or put a period after them. They almost seem to be a part of the dates. Like 6 6th Century be made to 6. 6th Century etc.

Editing the AC Timeline
How are we to edit this timeline if it's locked? (There are some small grammar/style errors I'd like to fix, but it appears I can't.) Danielhonigman 20:45, January 23, 2011 (UTC)Daniel


 * It's only locked for new and unregistered contributors. So either check your internet browser or get yourself of the imaginary "new users list". -- Master Sima Yi 09:22, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Giovanni Borgia
How can Giovanni Borgia have been born before Savonarola was murdered, since when Perotto arrived at the Vatican, the Pope received a message saying that Girolamo had been assassinated in Florence, and only after a time Perotto had a romance with Lucrezia. Zac Skywalker 11:58, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Either the developers made a mistake or Giovanni's birth date differs in the AC universe. But in history, Giovanni Borgia was born in March 1498 and Savonarola was executed on 23 May 1498. -- Master Sima Yi 14:25, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

"Unfortunate Secretary"
Was reading up on the Timeline page and then the page on Daniel Cross... someone had updated on the recent comic on Daniel Cross going to Abstergo and killing an "unfortunate secretary"... I'm assuming that might be Leila Marino? His events on the Timeline don't have a specific date, so I'm assuming that the murder of the Mentor up to Daniel's return to Abstergo was during 2007, that Leila was the secretary he killed before they put him back into the Animus (on accident? or maybe not, since Warren implied that Lucy was going to end up like her if she kept meddling)

Just a thought, from an avid reader. 69.112.8.43 13:53, March 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Daniel does not kill any such person. Daniel returned to Abstergo in 2000. -- Master Sima Yi 13:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Two Maliks?
Am I reading it wrong or missing something because Malik Al-Sayf is written but underneth it, it says Malik A-Sayf. Both links lead to Malik Al-Sayf. which one is the correct date and which one is the correct spelling? Girlaloud05 09:35, May 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Probably just a typo... Mr. Cujo 16:49, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Robert de Sable's assassination
It ocurred before Al Mualim's death, before Altair conceiving a child and before Altair finishing the Codex. Obvious reason: We played Robert De Sable's assassination, which we couldn't have if Altair had already had a child. Changing it now. AlexArkham 19:58, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Why templates?
Do we have to use templates to define the tabber contents? It makes eidting the single page cumbersome. Smoke3723 23:46, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Barack Obama
Is Obama a Templar or an assassin I'd really like to find that out? If any body wants to know I'm Le Vulpe (too lazy to sign in)


 * I dont see Obama being an Assassin. some of the laws he has tried to pass would dictate free rights, somthing the Assassins stive for.


 * I disagree. I see Obama as being initially supported by the Assassins over McCain, what with his promise to investigate the Templar Bush... but then it turned out he was a covert Templar, thus his continuing the Osama Bin Laden affair... and eventually allows a nation-wide hunt for assassins through his sudden jump in national security.108.13.198.58 07:54, March 10, 2012 (UTC) Lord Coratus


 * Important thing to note is that any currently living person or real person that lived in the later half of the 20th century is neither an Assassin or Templar. The Templars manipulated people, but that's all they were, puppets. George W. Bush was a Templar puppet, as revealed in The Fall and the Brotherhood Clusters. James Morse's e-mail on abstergoindustries.com shows that Warren had a meeting in the Blair House, a presidential residence, in December 2010, when Obama already was the President. So Obama was definitely influenced by Abstergo and the Templars, but he most likely isn't aware of the Templars' existence. -- Master Sima Yi 13:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sima's right, and I definitely think the Templars are trying to keep him in Presidency since there's been speculation that his opposition Ron Paul is going through election fraud. Arcemz  Something on your mind? 07:16, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Brotherhood - Unknown Dates
Don't we know the dates corresponding to the time Desmond spent reliving Ezio's memories of Rome via the e-mails? The e-mails in Brotherhood are dated from September 29th-October 9th, 2012 and are recieved throughout the period that the Assassins spend in the Sanctuary. GuruGuru214 07:09, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

list of modern day assassins and Templar's
i think there need's to be a few more modern day people on the list of assassins and templars.

Templars:
 * Muammar gaddafi
 * Barack Obama
 * Al Gore
 * Steven Hawking

Assassins
 * Ron Paul
 * Pat Tillman (the football player who died in iraq)
 * Ernest Hemingway (July 21, 1899 – July 2, 1961)

i hope to add to this list after more research


 * Except that The Fall tells us that Gore was an ally to the Assassins. He lost the election to Bush, the Templar puppet, because of the Mentor's death in 2000 -- Vaxis Dec 19 2.58AM


 * Do you honestly think we are gonna add speculation to this page? -- Master Sima Yi 13:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Tell them Sima. Everything Vaxis just said seems like speculation. If you just glance at his post it reads: Democrats and Dictators = Templars & Republicans and Revered People = Assassins
 * and that is without a doubt false. plus they are neither... we don't have to label everyone assassin or templar, there is a neutral zone. Solo assassin 00:26, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

someone push the wrong button?
"October 10th marks 62 days until the satellite launch, making a significant to the number 72. " WRONG, that would be 72 days excatly since there's 31 days in October, 30 in November and the launch is on the 21st. (or in Math terms 31+30+11=72) -71.202.72.88 00:31, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Minor error
It says that CIA driver William Greer used the fourth apple... incorrect. He was under the influence of the second apple. And Oswald used the first apple to make an illusion. Remember the fourth apple seemingly disappears after Hitler is assassinated. -- Vaxis Dec 20 2011 2:23 AM


 * I'm not finished yet... -- Master Sima Yi 08:25, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Carlo Grimaldi
Just thought I'd point out that in the 1485 section, Carlo Grimaldi's name is spelled wrong, making a link broken. I can't fix it since the page is locked, so can whoever can edit it please fix it. Howling Snail 11:58, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Change the Timeline page back to the what it was before

I Think that we should change the Timeline page but to the way it was before because there is a lot of information that is missing that was there like what Ezio did in Rome between 1500 - 1503 and also and lot of information on other Assassin Creed related events what do you guys think.

Rukia202 09:44, January 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for not noticing the "WORKING revamp" template up top... I am still working on it. Sorry that it's taking so long, but I will make sure that all available information will be on it when I am done. -- Master Sima Yi 10:09, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Vieri De' Pazzi
Despite the portrait of Vieri de' Pazzi saying that he died in 1477, ther DNA folder and everything else says that he died in 1478. Howling Snail 20:31, March 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Er... what? -- Master Sima Yi 20:35, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Worng year
the Year for the American Revolution started in 1775 not 1763 as is stated in the timeline page Assassin80 01:20, April 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * I concur. The French and Indian War ended in 1763. The opening shots of the American Revolution were in 1775. Can a higher-ranking editor please make the fix? AOHistSupport 20:44, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Master Sima Yi! AOHistSupport 21:08, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Proposal - permanent lock
Seeing as people seem to be rather fond of adding their own fiction, speculation and assumption to this page, and that they never source their information, and continuously write everything in present tense while the entire article is in past tense, I would like to propose a permanent lock on this page. This may not be in line with "a database that everyone can edit," but the way it is right now is doing more harm than good. When people actually notice that something is wrong, they tend to mention it here on the talk page rather than actually changing it. Personally I think it would save a lot of work undoing all these bad edits for us if we simply lock the page. I'm already personally making sure the page is updated with any new information that is released, or anything else that needs to be changed. If somebody notices an error, an admin can be notified to make the change. I think an exception can easily be made for this page, and I find it to be very necessary. -- Master Sima Yi 13:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Proposal has been accepted. Vote is now closed. -- Master Sima Yi 16:16, May 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yay
 * 1) -- Master Sima Yi 13:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) --  13:15, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Goes against wiki concept but seems necessary..information that needs to added can be first posted here in the talk page or in Sima's or Vatsa's talk page by other users.-- 13:19, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Well, I was going to say "Allow only the admins to edit it," but seeing as you'll be able to, it kind of make my statement moot. With this in mind, I agree. Slate Vesper 13:22, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) --  13:31, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) --  IlMualim  Wanna Chat? 14:41, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) --  Stormbeast  The Helpful Place 16:23, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 16:32, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) A small, but necessary sacrifice for order. The Leaping Eagle 21:11, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 10) --  Arcemz  Something on your mind? 08:04, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nay


 * Comments

Haras
I was under the impression that he was a mole for the Templars, since he states "I cannot betray those I never truly loved." The Leaping Eagle 21:13, May 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * That sentence does not imply as such. It simply means that he was an Assassin, but not at heart. He became dissatisfied with the Assassins and the slow progress he made as an apprentice. -- Master Sima Yi 21:28, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

DoB
I was wondering why Ezio's DoD is stated, while his DoB isnt. The Leaping Eagle (talk) 14:48, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Because the Timeline is written from a universal perspective, and on a universal scale, Ezio's dob wasn't significant. Not to mention that adding all dobs would clutter the Timeline with boring and insignificant information. -- 14:55, July 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see. Well, I admire that you're making this page; it can't be very easy. The Leaping Eagle (talk) 20:26, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

1488
couple of things, first theres a superflous 'the' before Checco's name presumably a vestige of it having refered to the orsi brothers together instead of naming each? also The city was eventually sieged by the Templars, until Ezio Auditore infiltrated the city and helped to reclaim it dosent quite feel right, if it was reclaimed by ezio surely it would make more sense if seiged was replacd with seized? 02:18, August 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, those were typos. Thanks for pointing them out, will fix them now. -- 10:22, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

2002
Just wanted to point out: "returned back" is grammatically incorrect as the "back" is redundant. "Daniel Cross returned to society" sounds nicer. Great work on the page by the way. =) 18:24, September 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Changed. -- 18:25, September 16, 2012 (UTC)