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de Sable/de Sablé
Hey Jasca

About the Robert de Sable article. Throughout the entirety of Assassin's Creed, his name is pronounced as "de Sable", which, in English, means "of sand". Apparently (I didn't know this), he is based on the historical figure Robert de Sablé, with surname referring to his birthplace "of Sablé". I am now firing up the game to check if his surname is spelled anywhere. I propose you change back his surname to "de Sable", rather than "de Sablé", because it is unnecessarily confusing, and add it in the Trivia section or something.

Thanks for reading. 13:11, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * With respect, I won't be doing that. His name is Robert de Sablé ("of Sablé"), because he held lorship over the region of Sablé-sur-Sarthe in Anjou, France. Also, even if the game uses the spelling "Sable", the wiki use native spellings of names for its articles; e.g. Jeanne d'Arc. -- 14:05, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is not about native spelling, this is about misspelling. For some reason or other, Ubisoft made a mistake during their research, turning "Robert de Sablé" into "Robert de Sable", and having every character subsequently pronounce "sable" like the French word for sand, rather than the French commune. Since the Wiki is primarily based on the game, I believe "de Sable" takes precedence over "de Sablé". Any person with some bare knowledge of French that has played Assassin's Creed would be confused if his article (which is still title "Robert de Sable" btw). I still support this being relegated to Trivia. What does the encylopedia say on him anyway? Is he from the region Sablé-sur-Sarthe like his historical counterpart?  14:15, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * My question to you is; why would he be called Robert of Sand? Also, the only reason the article is still spelt "de Sable" is due to the page move option being locked. -- 14:36, September 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is not about the why, since it's pretty obviously a mistake. This is about clarity and consistency. He is referred to as "Robert de Sable" in every instance of canon within the series (Assassin's Creed, the Encyclopedia, The Secret Crusade), so his article should reflect that. In fact, the only source supporting "Robert de Sablé" is Wikipedia, which stands outside the series as a whole, and should come second to any data on the game. Again, we should relegate this to Trivia, where we explain that Robert de Sable is based on the historical figure Robert de Sablé. 14:49, September 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree to Crook's option. What is in the game, should be in the wiki. Joan of Arc's native name may be Jeann'deArk but in my point of view, I think it is like that because either it is corrected somewhere in any game or she is a minor character, whereas Robert de Sable is not. Edward Thatch (I know his name is modified) explains in trivia section his actual historical counterpart's name, and so should Robert's article. Altaïr Skywalker 47 (talk) 15:19, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

John de Lancie
Bro, I edited then the old version of Nesty in John's page to inform you...

Cheers,

AgentG231  The Action Center 10:45, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Say what? -- 10:48, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Concerning the accomplishments page, sorry, I just copy-pasted the templates from Bloodlines, I didn't know it would include the "good article" category. 83.108.84.147 11:06, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Edward James
As far as I can tell, we don't add the middle name in the default sort on any other articles. 08:20, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. We probably should, but fair enough. -- 08:25, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

I am sorry to ask you this personaly but nobody is answering back to my post..

I have a doubt that is probably too simple, since i didnt find any answer to it online.

I have to choose between buying AC 3 for 30€ and AC 3 + Hidden Secrets, Battle Hardened and Tyranny of George Washington for 50€.

My main question is - are the DLC free? How much do the extra missions cost if i download them if i buy the simple AC3?

Thank you very much

Kalip26 (talk) 15:45, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Jennifer Scott
Where in the game is it mentioned her surname as "Scott-Kenway"? 11:04, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ugh, my bad. It was Caroline he was referring too, not Jennifer. -- 11:12, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Heads-up
If you'd just waited, I was planning to move the page myself to auto-create a redirect when my internet connection was acting up once again. Your edit summaries have been particularly infuriating these past few weeks as for some reason you have picked up your old attitude once again. It's been frustrating to me and to several other people as well, and I'm not going to warn you about it again. This is not a discussion, but a heads up. If you can't function in a community by not annoying others with your attitude, don't be part of one. -- 17:32, November 6, 2013 (UTC)

Queen Anne's Revenge
If you're working on a frigate page, fine. But England wasn't renamed at all, if that's what you mean; it was still England. And "slaver ship" is incorrect, as that would mean it was the ship of a slaver, which, to my knowledge, it wasn't. nucl3arsnake  (  talk  ) 14:06, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * "The Kingdom of Great Britain was a sovereign state in north-west Europe that existed from 1 May 1707 to 31 December 1800. The state came into being with the union of the kingdoms of Scotland and England (which included Wales)"; 1710 is after 1707. Also, Concord was redesigned before Thatch's captaincy to hold slaves. -- 14:15, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia page on begs to differ. And just because it held slaves doesn't mean the captain / owner of the ship was a slaver, and regardless of that, "slaver ship" is incorrect; I have heard of a "" before, however.  nucl3arsnake  (  talk  ) 14:22, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Behaviour
Your behaviour is a talk in the IRC. Be warned that if your behaviour continues, and Sima gets more complaints via PM, you will be permabanned. Believe me. You don't want to be banned, your contributions are valuable, much like any, but still. good day :) 202.164.150.195 14:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Whilst I appreciate your alerting me to the talk about me, I have no idea who you are, and it would go some if you let me know. Frankly, if people talk about me or not is not my concern or worry; people are always going to dislike me, I came to terms with that years ago. -- 16:00, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Who am I is not the point here. You're warned and you're on thin ice. At least that's what I heard. Your disregard for Sima's page, which you said as 'fanon,' when according to Brahman article, was released was pointless. Also, that other page which you put in the delete template because of 'third party video' was too. Think: ACIV has been released and any admin may delete it if it has been proved that not exists, I know, you're abiding by strictly to wiki policies by preventing speculation, but let me tell you, it is okay a little. Also, a third party video can't be 'non-canon,' just check Walkthroughs and the like. Anyway, a quote on the IRC goes by like this "Jasca's stick up his ass 1.5 times today" I'm not gonna say who said that, since that'd be offensive. So please, don't get banned. You don't deserve it. Good day. 202.164.150.195 17:09, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Skywalker, get out. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  17:11, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, just telling me someone said it isn't offensive. Please leave Skywalker. -- 17:15, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

IRC
I saw you dropped by the IRC while I was away; my nick is always online, but I am available now. I'll be busy with some other things but that should not be a bother. -- 16:29, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Editing for structure and flow
Hello! You seem to be a fellow in the know, and as I was not able to find an answer to this question in the available policy documents, I thought I might ask you.

Is there a standard on editing for structure/flow on the AC Wiki? (i.e. changing a word if it is repeated more than once in a short amount of time, breaking up long sentences, etc.) These kind of edits have been fine (and sometimes encouraged) at other wikis I have worked on, but on the AC wiki I've had some edits of this nature reversed because they did not specifically add new content and were referred to as "rephrasing." Is there a policy on this? I want to make sure that any edits I do are in keeping with the wiki's standards.

Molotov.cockroach (talk) 16:28, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I agree with any attempts to limit repetition in sentences, and to break up overly-long and grammatically incorrect sentences, but clearly (according to your post) there are individuals here who feel that your edits do not constitute what they would consider constructive.


 * Rephrasing is not, in itself, a reason for an edit to be reverted (nor is not adding new content), and I would strongly recommend that if such an edit is reverted again, you ask the reverting user on their talk page as to their reasons for doing so. I often find that while the information we need is in the article, it is sometimes poorly written, and so it would be negligence for me to ignore it. If they are insistent that your edit remains off the article, without providing what you consider to be a satisfactory reason, please don't hesitate to call someone else in for a third opinion.


 * EDIT: Having had a quick glance through your contributions, I spotted the reversion you was talking about; I'm afraid that the individual that reverted your edit is well-known to myself, and others, for reasons such as this. I'll be leaving a message on their talk page shortly. That said, I would still recommend following the advice I have posted above. -- 17:11, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you, I appreciate the information. Also, I apologize if I came off as complaining--I just want to make sure that if I feel like being bull-headed about a structural edit, I'm not violating wiki rules in doing so. :) That sounds like a good way to proceed, so I will follow your advice going forward. Thanks!
 * Molotov.cockroach (talk) 18:24, November 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * My comment about complaints was directed at you, you did the right thing. No problemo. -- 09:13, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

No title
WHY DID YOU EDIT MY PAGE?Samkenway1 (talk) 16:56, November 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Stop foaming. The only pages that are 'yours' are your profile, talkpage and any sandboxes you make. Everything else is public and up for others to edit meaningfully. That's the whole point of a wiki. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  16:58, November 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * STAR TREK IS BETTER THAN STAR WARSSamkenway1 (talk) 16:58, November 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * And that doesn't have anything to do with this conversation. Your capslock is also broken. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  16:59, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * You're also incorrect; Star Wars is far superior. -- 17:25, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

sorry?
 * Well, that wasn't the fastest ban I've seen, but it was pretty damn close. -- 18:26, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Edward Thatch edit
My reason for reverting is because we don't copy the database entries word-for-word into the articles. That's bad form, and considered plagiarism. 18:30, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * fair enough, and quite right. As you've probably noticed, I've since managed to include the necessary information as part of a wider addition to the article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 19:03, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Page
You have no right to tell anyone what they are supposed to feel and I'm not going to listen to someone like you. I know all that and already accept it without you telling me. Beside I don't expect anyone to understand. --Cococrash11 (talk) 20:50, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have every right to tell somebody what is expected of them when they contribute to the Wiki. Having a hissy fit and making false claims is not something individuals here appreciate. 'Someone like me'? What exactly am I like, then?


 * The fact that my reply to your message spurred you to post such an emotional, hissy fit (again), response on my talk page shows that, clearly, you do need somebody to tell you what is expected of you. I expect you to understand that. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:52, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Typical. --Cococrash11 (talk) 21:33, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm typical? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 22:09, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Punctuation in quotes clarification
I know this is a small thing, but I wanted to get clarification on it for future edits.

Does this wiki use the British English or American English standard of punctuation use? The American standard says that periods and commas go inside quotations even if they're not part of the quote, versus the British standard, which is the opposite. I've got a couple of sources for reference. I'm happy to abide by either, but it would be good to know which we use.

Molotov.cockroach (talk) 17:59, December 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Annoyingly, it appears to change at the fancy of a handful users. Personally. I've always used punctuation outside of the quotation marks, unless it is actually part of the quote; that is what other users have been doing of late, but the Wiki is, by no stretch of the imagination, uniform in its approach.


 * This is just one of the many things that we need to get organised here, but I'm sick of personally having to create a new vote for each change. I suggest you have a word with Sima, see what his thoughts in the matter are. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 20:22, December 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * All right, that seems sensible enough. I will go check on that. Thank you.
 * Molotov.cockroach (talk) 06:40, December 5, 2013 (UTC)

Mentioned?
Where is it mentioned that Connor's surname is mentioned as being "Kenway" in Assassin's Creed IV? I saw no such thing on the article's trivia. Are you sure it's in there?
 * Of course I'm sure, I wouldn't have placed it in the article otherwise.... He is referred to as such in the Database multiple times; the fact that it was "written" by Abstergo employees however, should be taken into consideration. EDIT: Please sign your posts as well, you should know better. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 10:53, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Images
I'll be leaving this message on both your and Kain's talkpages. A new user has 24 hours to source their image before being marked for deletion. That explains why I've reverted both your edits, after you guys have been adding the delete tag mere minutes after a new user has uploaded an image. 14:59, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you show me where this '24 hour' rule has come from, exactly? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 16:24, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * A forum has been created for this. We need to encourage community, and hammering user edits and contributions (including images, even if initially unsourced) because they are not perfect is detrimental to community. A Wiki is a community-driven project, no matter how high the standards. Forgiveness and patience is needed so that users have the opportunity to learn the policy and become worthy contributors. DarkFeather Raven's NestRaven's Hunt 11:08, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Ban
Once again, since you still refuse to adapt to the community. You edit-war, are disrespectful to others, and annoy a multitude of people. Therefore, I am once more issuing a ban from the wiki. It will last 3 months, like the previous one. Please note that your next ban from the wiki will be a permanent one since it would be your third. Nesty Contact me! 13:21, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * It seems I misjudged the situation, and thus I have removed Jasca Ducato's block from the wiki. The above message will be retained for archiving purposes and are not, under any circumstance, to be used against this user. Nesty  Contact me! 14:32, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Nesty, I appreciate it. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 14:39, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Mary Read edits
I must ask, why the call out? Given that we were discussing the date discrepancy right then, what made you think I was going to go back and change it once evidence of the 1720 date was presented? -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 20:41, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * The comment was more aimed at discouraging users other than those involved in the conversation from making the change again, as was the case recently with the Woodes Rogers article. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:57, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, all right. Makes sense. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 19:26, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Nobles category
Hey Jasca,

Were you the one that removed the Nobles category from all the articles Bovkaffe added it to? If so, I'd at least like you to give him the courtesy of an explanation. He's a new member - even if he's been here as an anon for a bit.

Thanks for reading. 21:56, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Crook,


 * no, I wasn't the one who removed the categories, it was Vatsa's bot. I only removed the categories from those he had added it too a second time. I'll leave the explanation up to Vatsa, though for my own part I personally don't think we need such a category. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 22:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah okay, thanks for your reply. I hope I didn't seem like I was attacking you; I saw the categories vanishing without the name of an editor, so I figured it was one of the staff. The 'nobles' category does seem a bit too broad. Anyways, I just wanted to make sure we didn't come across as too 'unwelcoming'; I'll go leave a message in Vatsa's stead, since he's not here all that often. 22:15, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Privateers and Royal Navy personnel
Hi Jasca,

Thanks for the back-up on the privateers thing. I actually mentioned it here, but it seems it didn't stick. I appreciate you bringing your cred to this one. -Molotov.cockroach (talk) 18:51, March 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * No problemo. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:13, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Marquis de Sade
So what makes you think he's not going to be in the game, considering he's grouped with King Louis, who we know is. 15:13, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Firstly, the Delete tag shouldn't be removed simply because you disagree with it. If a user has out it on an article, it should remain there until such time that the article is deleted, or a discussion and decision against deleting it has been completed. (Frankly, I find simply reverting a tag somebody has out on an article both rude, and particularly undermining.)


 * As for the reason I put the tag on the article: Eurogamer, whilst being a respectable source for gaming information, is not on our list of 'reliable sources'; normally I wouldn't mind that minor detail, save for the fact that I haven't seen the 'de Sade' name mentioned on any Ubisoft material, or any other publisher for that matter (besides Eurogamer). I could of course be wrong, in which case I would appreciate a secondary source, for my own assurances.


 * At the very least the article should be renamed, since Marquis de Sade is a title, not a name. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 17:36, June 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I reverted it because your rash decision to mark it could lead to its deletion before we hashed this out; it was by no means intentionally "undermining" to you. I suppose we can readd the tag and recreate it under the appropriate name when he appears in a "reliable source". 17:41, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well that's upon those with the power to delete to decide as and when they enact the tag; an article can always be recreated once deleted if a decision to keep it is made. That being said, I've had a quick look on Google and managed to find a few more sources that list Marquis de Sade as in-game, so I see no reason to re-add the tag. The article still needs renaming though. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 18:26, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Real irony when you "out" me for trolling, and then post a response in the attempt to get a rise out of me (ie. trolling). You're pretty terrible at it, accentuated by the fact that you don't really know what the fuck you're talking about. You're just a follower of some lonely, niche wiki that no one will ever come to for anything meaningful about the game. I hope you're as satisfied about that as I am.

69.84.24.114 21:38, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Christ, you're persistent. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 22:20, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Edit-warring
You're hereby receiving a warning for edit-warring. Take it to the talk page. -- 11:58, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Era icons
Hey Jasca,

Quick question: what font do you use for the lettering in era icons? I intend to fix Pirates', since nobody else has managed to get around to it. Thanks for reading :) 20:46, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the ridiculously late reply, Crook. I've been away for a little while... I used the same typeface as the office logo, which is Trajan Pro. - - Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:57, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Insignia
Did you draw that cool insignia??
 * Could you be a little more specific please. What insignia are you referring to? --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 18:32, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * He means the one in your avatar. -- Kainzorus Prime ⚜  Walkie-talkie  18:44, January 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh. It's a tattoo... --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 20:35, January 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing policy
As you may or may not have seen, I've been toying around with a new form of sourcing, one that you proposed a while back but didn't get much traction. I've since change my mind about it, and think we should install a new form of sourcing before it's getting too hard to keep track of all information. I was wondering if you'd be up for exchanging some ideas on how to approach this new policy via the IRC? -- 13:35, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * My apologies for the late response. Yes, of course I'd be happy to chat about this on IRC at some point. I'll try and find the time to log on this evening. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:28, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Syndicate notice
Hey there Jasca. I noticed your disgruntled edit summary about the Syndicate notice and decided to drop you a quick message. It's a temporary thing that should be removed either today or tomorrow. We were contacted by Wikia staff, who had been contacted by Ubisoft, and it seemed like a good promotion opportunity. Alas, we did not get exactly what we bargained for, but the deal is somewhat binding, so we can't just go and take it down ourselves. Figured I'd drop you a quick explanation. Nesty Contact me! 23:49, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Thank You
Thaks for improving and correcting the Grand Master trivia. Abelzorus Prime (talk) 16:14, July 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply, but no problem! --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 09:41, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Attitude
And let's not fall back into condescending attitude please, Jasca. Not everyone can do everything right all the time. Not to mention that to my knowledge this isn't clarified in our MoS. -- 13:12, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Trivia in page "Yu Dayong"
The possible cause to the wrong translation is from our speculation.We are not sure if that was made through the Wubi input method.The mustache and eunuch part,I presume it's OK and not superfluous.Sleeplust (talk) 12:18, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Any speculation is banned from articles. The current text states the fact (it is incorrect), but avoid the speculation ("why" it is incorrect). --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 12:21, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I think what Sleeplust means is that the incorrect translation might not have been the result of the Wubi method. Right now, the article states that as fact, but the mistaken translation could have come about in some other way. 12:25, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah!Crook is right!I think it's OK to edit the trivia and delete the "speculation about the Wubi method" part,because it's a mere speculation.BTW,"His mustache is inconsistent with reality,because Gu Dayong was a eunuch in 1526." This part can be good trivia in that page.Sleeplust (talk) 12:33, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if being a eunuch automatically outrules having a mustache. It depends on when Yu Dayong was castrated, I guess. I'm not sure. 12:38, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I've just checked.It's possible to keep beard/mustache if the eunuch was castrated in adulthood.Sleeplust (talk) 12:55, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * But do we know when Yu Dayong was castrated? If we don't, I don't think we can add it to trivia (sorry for spamming your talkpage, jasca ^^;). 12:58, October 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fine. To be honest, I would prefer to remove the section entirely; I only kept the Wubi comment in because somebody else put it in before. To me the whole sentence reeked of speculation. (This reminds me of the Orlov/Orelov argument, again.) --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 13:14, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * I made the comment of Wubi,when not logged in.As we don't need speculation here,I have deleted that.I have just made sure that his beard could be kept if he became an eunuch as an adult and the beard comment turned unnecessary.


 * To Jasca,I still deem the current paragraph a good trivia,for it's correct,without speculation.