User talk:Sadelyrate

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Alexios's birth
Does the game actually date that scene? The novel dates it as the winter of 451 BCE. It’s one of the few dates we actually are explicitly told in the novel.
 * No, it doesn't, not that scene. But the whole main Naxos-storyline (despite taking place after the Plague of Athens) is explicitly given as 17 years after that incident. If Mt. Taygetos Fall Party happened in 451 BCE, Kassandra would meet Myrrine again in 434 BCE. Sadelyrate (siniath) 17:44, March 13, 2019 (UTC)
 * JFC do you have the exact quote for that? Lacrossedeamon (talk) 07:58, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * In-game description of A Mother's Prayers: "After searching through all of the Greek world, Kassandra finally found her mother's trail. Although seventeen years had passed, the time had come to reunite with her in Naxos."
 * Kassandra parted ways with Myrrine in the Mt.Taygetos Fall Party -> 17 years later, reunited. In addition, surrounding main story events of the 430 BCE Plague of Athens and 428 BCE Olympics force said reunion to be between them.Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:41, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Sal how are you? Daryurian ( The Mighty Turian ) 06:56, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * Just peachy, thanks for asking. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:42, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Images
What happened to those images you added to the articles of two of the mercenaries who were hired by the Order of Hunters? Frontierchris (talk) 21:31, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Sadel, Kassandra dealt with the Order of Hunters in 422 BCE, therefore Agis of the North, Gaia the Fist, Theos the Stargazer, and Exadios the Backbreaker were killed that same year. Frontierchris (talk) 21:57, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * As stated already in the articles themselves, images are invalid since the characters are randomly generated, save for their names and locations. Their year of death is also, as far as we can currently tell, 429 BCE, not 422 BCE. Sadelyrate (siniath) 21:58, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

But they were employed by the Order of Hunters, and like I said, Kassandra didn't face them until 422 BCE. Frontierchris (talk) 22:01, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * Proof of this date? Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:06, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Do you have proof that she faced the Order of Hunters in 429 BCE? Frontierchris (talk) 22:08, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * The whole DLC-questline begins with receiving the summons right after the main Naxos-storyline, in 429 BCE. I ask again: your proof for 422 BCE? Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:10, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Oh my mistake, what about the Order of the Storm? Frontierchris (talk) 22:13, March 14, 2019 (UTC)
 * What about them? Sadelyrate (siniath) 22:17, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Did Kassandra face them in that same year? Frontierchris (talk) 22:18, March 14, 2019 (UTC)

Tisandros and Polemion are not ranbomized, Thaletas said those were their names. --Frontierchris (talk) 15:35, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

Tisandros and Polemion are not ranbomized, Thaletas said those were their names. Don’t you get all the information before you accept the quest? --Frontierchris (talk) 15:36, March 17, 2019 (UTC)

Pagans
What do you mean “incorrect term?” --Frontierchris (talk) 23:01, March 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * 'Pagan' does not mean 'people who believe in multiple gods'. It is also biased term, and as such, has no place in this wiki. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:09, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

What is the correct term for 'people who believe in multiple gods'? Frontierchris (talk) 17:51, March 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Simple: polytheists. From Greek polytheos meaning 'of many gods', from polys ('many') + theos ('god'). Trick here is that not every ancient Greek or person who lived in Egypt was polytheist, just like not every person who lives in Italy is Catholic. Before you make such suggestion, make sure you can back your claim. Sadelyrate (siniath) 18:23, March 19, 2019 (UTC)

DISPLAYTITLE bug
, I have been doing some extra digging and have managed to identify the cause of the DISPLAYTITLE bug that has been plaguing certain users (including yourself) of late. The cause is a compatibility issue between DISPLAYTITLE and Fandom's "Classic rich text editor." I am liaising with Fandom Staff on a permanent fix, but in the meantime a workaround would be for you to change your Prefered editor to either Source mode or VisualEditor. You can do this by following this link ot your Preferences and making the change there. Thanks. --Jasca Ducato (talk | contributions) 15:50, April 5, 2019 (UTC)
 * Was wondering about that. Thanks for clearing that up! Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:55, April 5, 2019 (UTC)

Removed citations to the Odyssey website & commas
Hey Sadel, two matters have come to my attention. The first is that I've only recently noticed that when Assassin's Creed: Odyssey was released, you seemed to have changed all citations I made to Ubisoft's official website on the game to the game itself. This is actually incorrect because many of the information that referenced the site is not provided in the game itself and is exclusive to the website. While the website will inevitably be shutdown once their marketing period for the game is over, this does not change the fact that it would be false to cite many of these lines I have written to the game itself.

The other is that I heard that you continue to add commas where they are not supposed to be and/or remove commas where they are supposed to present. I haven't had the time to look through your edit history to verify if this is true or not, but I had asked before if you needed help understanding proper grammatical usage of commas because I understand that that can be confusing, and it's clear that you are struggling with it. :-/ Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 12:24, April 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * I've removed citations to the site only when the same information is present in the game itself. With commas I've followed the guidelines you laid out earlier, and the example you set out with edits.
 * ETA: I see you've changed your mind about whether there should be a comma or not after a phrase beginning with "during". Sadelyrate (siniath) 12:32, April 10, 2019 (UTC)
 * I have not changed my mind. My previous correction involved the cases where you placed commas before "during" when such a clause came at the end of the sentence. This is called a subordinating clause. However, when the subordinating clause comes at the beginning of the sentence, there has to be a comma after the clause. This is the rule. Subordinating clauses are not preceded by commas if they come at the end of the sentence, but they are followed by commas if they come at the beginning of the sentence.


 * As for the citations, the few examples I encountered were better cited to the site than the game since it was expressly taken from there where such information was given in precise terms, not from the game where the information is only implied or generalized at best. I need to search for the specific examples again. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 13:00, April 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * And yet, there were numerous edits made by you specifically to remove the commas following, say, "During the Peloponnesian War". My apologies for the possible fudging of citations; that was certainly not my intention. Sadelyrate (siniath) 13:05, April 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * You would have to provide some hard proof on that because I am very skeptical I would ever suggest that commas have to be removed after that phrase.


 * Found the main example: Megaris. You're actually right that the area being a strategic narrow corridor highly contested by the Spartans and Athenians is well supported enough by the game itself since the game did expressly describe it as such. However, the line about its economy being heavily reliant on pig farming and pottery is more implied by the game from the presence of pigs and the characters' comments about it being a city of pigs, and even then, I don't recall the game referring to pottery as a staple of its economy. In any case, I would need to double-check all the other articles. If it is true that you were careful with it, then I appreciate it. If it turns out you were a bit careless, then I still appreciate the effort. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 13:09, April 10, 2019 (UTC)


 * I found one example in regards to the comma correction: the article Lamia. Here when I left an edit summary explaining why I removed a comma, I was referring to "village, and explored". This was during the period where I was correcting most of your punctuation, and I specifically kept the comma after "During the Peloponnesian War" as is grammatically proper. I don't mean to hack away at you, it's just that I want to make sure we're on the same page about this. I understand that honest mistakes happen, and you were only trying to follow my instructions, and there seemed to have been some miscommunication about it. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 13:18, April 10, 2019 (UTC)

RE:Italicization apostrophes
The standard is always, without exception, that when italicizing a linked word, the apostrophes go on the outside, around the whole thing unless one is italicizing individual parts of the linked term. Even if you are changing the way the link appears through piping, the apostrophes go on the outside of the link. For example:
 * Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood for Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood
 * Venator-class Star Destroyer for Venator-class Star Destroyer
 * misthios for misthios
 * hetaera for hetaera
 * All those instances of hetaera are in error. That 'mercenary' and 'courtesan' should not be italicized is irrelevant because in the final product, they don't appear in the text; essentially, those words aren't even being used in the actual writing, only the coding. Of course, whether you place the apostrophes inside the brackets or outside doesn't affect the outcome—either way the word is italicized. The only reason why putting the apostrophes on the outside matter is because this is the standard convention across all wikis that I know of, at least the biggest ones, and Wikipedia itself. So it's just a matter of consistency and clean formatting for the editors in the editing screen. It's for the same reason that we don't normally use  unless we have to.

I'm not sure if you missed my reply to you on my talk page, but please begin correcting all cases of misplacement of the apostrophes when you encounter them. You don't have to go out of your way to hunt them down; I won't want you to go through so much trouble, but you should be correcting them when you do come across them, not leaving them. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 02:11, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * Seen, read, will attempt to correct in the future. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:22, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Referring to Kassandra as a Spartan
You know what I've just realized after reviewing this dialogue? I wonder if it's actually not ideal for us to always refer to Kassandra as a Spartan mercenary. She corrects Drucilla that she is Kephallonian not Spartan, and although it's not incorrect to call Kassandra Spartan when that demonym refers to her origin, it may invite confusion that her allegiances is still to Sparta during the Peloponnesian War. In other words, the meaning of calling Kassandra Spartan is ambiguous, and it might be a bit odd whenever talking about her aiding the Athenians if there are any articles describing her as doing such. From what I've read on reddit, she mostly helps the Spartans in the war, but her loyalties are still fluid. What do you think? I will ask the others for their opinion as well. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 14:57, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * Counterpoint to this are the times she specifically introduces herself as "Kassandra of Sparta." Like when meeting Hippokrates for the first time. There's at least one more attested introduction like that, but don't remember exactly when/where, nor have the time/patience to scour the dialogues looking for (more of) these instances. Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:01, April 16, 2019 (UTC)
 * Also there are comments along the lines of "You never stop being Sparta"/"You may leave Sparta, Sparta won't leave you"/etc. (Paraphrasing those, fyi). Myrrine at least mentions this, that both she and Kassandra are still Spartan, despite all that's happened, when they discus the Cult in Naxos (right before Paros' blockade), and I think Thaletas and/or Brasidas does too. Tempted to say there are others making a statement along those lines. Sadelyrate (siniath) 15:05, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Spelling standard
We don't actually really have a spelling standard around here. Although I'm aware that years back, the staff seemed to have favoured American English spelling over British English spelling, because Assassin's Creed sources usually (but not always) employ Canadian English spelling and editors subconsciously absorbed or followed by the spelling used by Ubisoft, I have found that by and far the wiki's articles tend to float around Canadian English, neither American nor British. Moreover, since other wikis tend to choose the spelling standard based on the national origin of their franchise (i.e. American English for Star Wars, British English for Harry Potter), I recommended that we standardize to Canadian English. We did not reach a consensus on this, however, because the main opponent of this believed that it would entail massive, exasperating changes across the entire wiki, not realizing that many of our articles are already written in Canadian English incidentally (or rather a mixture of American-Canadian English >.< depending on the word...), and that it might actually take more work to convert every article to American English.

The end result is that we really don't have a spelling standard on this wiki. Depending on who you ask, they might say that it's American English, but perhaps because they aren't aware of the subtle differences between American and Canadian English, sometimes they end up writing Canadian English anyways. Our Manual of Style actually currently states that we defer to the spelling standard used in Assassin's Creed sources, which is Canadian English by default, followed by American when in doubt.

The thing is that when something isn't standardized, then it becomes a bit rude to correct an article solely to change it to one's personal preferred standard, especially if it has just been edited by the other person. I understand that you mistook the spelling standard here to be firmly established as American.

However, at the same time, when it is clear that a certain editing pattern is likely intentional, it is always the obligation of a user undoing that change, especially if their edit is nothing but a revert of it, to explain why they are reverting it in the edit summary. If you thought that it was clearly in the wrong because you believed the spelling standard here is American, then honestly, it would have made sense to at the very least write "isn't the spelling standard American?" or "the spelling standard is American". This is why I also asked if there was a specific reason why you chose to use girl instead of courtesan as I changed it since I thought that choice peculiar enough that there was probably a conscious thought process behind it, and it would have been impolite of me to assume otherwise. Sol Pacificus (Cyfiero) 21:27, April 17, 2019 (UTC)


 * Guilty as charged, re: Canadian English. Not familiar with it all that much. So far I've seen two of your edits adding in the 'u': not enough to be considered 'clearly intentional editing pattern', imo. To avoid this in the future, I suggest adding in a comment about Canadian English in the MoS. Sadelyrate (siniath) 21:36, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Armor set photos
I saw you added photos for some of the armor sets but it looks like you only used the variants in the transmog feature. Many of those have a third variant not included with those. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 05:35, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Third variant, which is not the legendary type? Or when the same model is used as quest rewards? Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:29, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * A third variant separate from the legendary version or unique quest reward version. Like there are three distinct variants of the Hunters chest, not including the Artemis one, but only two appear in the transmog feature.Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:45, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. True, that. Thought I remembered seeing a 'third option', but since it didn't show in the transmog, thought I imagined it or something. Thanks for vouching for my memory. :D Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:48, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah the transmog seems hastily implemented. The Hunter is easiest to notice because of the "tattoos". I saw you working on this and as I'm bad with photo editing and only have an ipad I use for editing the wiki I thought I'd give you heads up if you want to keep a eye for those other variants. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:59, April 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * It's appreciated, and will do. :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 09:04, April 20, 2019 (UTC)

Pheraia as epithet
I specifically left off the other reasons because I feel the one about the mother is the most likely behind the name for the location as Pheraia seems to be treated as a person in the placename Pheraia's Retreat. If I could find out more about her I'd have led with her as an individual rather than as an epithet of Hekate. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 08:10, April 27, 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point. I blame lack of caffeine for not realizing that. Sadelyrate (siniath) 10:06, April 27, 2019 (UTC)
 * This location I’m not 100% certain on the namesake so I’m having trouble wording the trivia point. I believe it to be Pheraia as Hekate's mother but there is so little info on her. It’s not like with Sarpedon where there are multiple people with that name but I know without a shadow of a doubt which is the namesake for Sarpedon's Refuge. Lacrossedeamon (talk) 10:56, April 27, 2019 (UTC)