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Thanks all for all the responses. A lot to discuss here for sure.

Sol Pacificus wrote: Hey Druaron, thank you for the informative post, and your English is fine! :)

So first of all, have you read these other two threads: Assassin's Creed film Inconsistencies: Part I and Assassin's Creed film Inconsistences: Part II? Because in these two threads we touched upon some of the things that you just brought up. You can also read our article on the Granada War and...

Thanks for the links, I will read them later closely as it is a lot of info for doing it right now. It is good to see the novelization deals with the date problem. As I've read all the game novelizations by Oliver Bowden, I will try to do the same when the film novelization is released here in Spain (if it does).

About the kidnap of Ahmed. I would doubt it, as the children were given to him after his rendition and was a condition of the negotiation. But yeah, as Assassin's Creed sometimes plays with the “innacurate facts that we only can know the truth when we enter into the Animus”, that would make a lot more sense and could be a perfect explanation.

The auto-da-fé (we use the form in spanish, sorry for using it in my previous message) being that savage can be explained just by the fact that they are Assassins and they want to be specially cruel with them, although I can't explain the presence of the monarchs. And yeah, it wasn't a mask, they were actually tattoos.

Well, I don't mean that Isabel I should be an Assassin herself, just that she's portrayed very close to the Templar cause when for me would have more sense to be more close to Assassins than the Templars, because the reasons I gave. I can see your point about that she is too religious for being an Assassin, but I am not agree with you, as I think Assassins doesn't teach skepticism and agnosticism but freedom, freedom of religion included, and to look for your own answers and truth, even if your truth is based in a religion. Maria and Claudia Auditore were… maybe not really catholic, but religious persons with believes. Also Teodora Contanto was it (in her own way) and member of the Assassins. That's why I think, if Isabel I would have known about all the Templar/Assassin thing, she would have been more inclined to the Assassin cause. But yeah, as you, I preffer the idea of the monarchs being someway neutral and acting depending on the counsel acting in a given moment.

The Wikia Editor wrote: While it's true that Spain was divided during the events of the movie, the same argument could be made for Italy. During Ezio's lifetime, Italy was divided into city-states, and unification did not occur until 1861. And yet, the Assassins operating in Florence, Monteriggioni, Forli and Venice are all...

Well, as they are all of them Assassins, it is obviously they are just one united Brotherhood, but I meant they weren't more united between them than they were with the Italian one. For example, while playing AC II and Brotherhood, I never had the feeling that there was an “Italian Brotherhood” itself, but more like some cells here and there around all the city-states, as sometimes you could see them operating separatedly and colaborating between them just because proximity. In the same way, I think spanish Assassin cells were also other cells of the same “Assassin Mediterranean” brotherhood as it was Istambul/Contantinople. That's why in Brotherhood you can send your Assassin's to different parts of Europe (Barcelona is one of them actually), as you can do all over the Mediterranean lands in Revelations and that is why Yusuf calls Ezio “Mentor” even when we would think at first that Turquish Assassins should have their own mentor. So what I mean is that Granadian Assassins are not separated from the ones in Barcelona, but that they are different cells. That would explain some Discovery issues I think. But I am sure those issues are solved in the post related to the film and the movie inconsistencies that I am still have to read. Anyway, these are just my assumptions, as it feels more natural for me to think about the brotherhood in this way than thinking Spanish, French, Italian, and so on brotherhoods are separated from each other.

About prince Ahmed, well, the thing is… it actually happened and they already had the child. So the only thing I can think about is that maaybe the Templars were trying to kidnap him from the Christian Spanish army for acting without the King and the Queen knowing it. The problem is that we see the prince Ahmed in the Auto-da-fé.

I checked what you say about Torquemada not identifying himself as a Templar and, you sir, are right. Thanks for appointing it.

Spanish assassin wrote: As Spanish and historian I want to answer. They left in months ago articles of press questioning the film by the image that was given of Spain. But for a lot of historical reference they (spanish articles) did not fail to...

Hey! Nice to see another Spanish user here! I am not a historian, but I studied Art History while studying Fine Arts, and History is something I've always loved to study and it's one of my hobbies nowadays. I can see by your user image that you aren't very attached to monarchy. I am also a republican myself (note for non Spanish users reading this that being republican in Spain is not the same that in USA or other countries, just that you don't agree with the monarchy we still have nowadays). Even being republican, I think it's not fair to just “hate” all kings and queens Spain had over the time, because judging the past with the today moral and ideals is just unfair. Actually Pérez-Reverte has written this weekend about this in an opinion-article called “Intolerancia y otras idioteces” that points very good arguments about this. Also, I read the articles that you say. This said, idealizing the Catholic Monarchs is the last thing I would do as I wouldn't idealize any historical figure for the same reason I wouldn't condemn it as I explained, and that, for me, there isn't such thing as “black legend” nor “pink legend” of Spanish history. I hate when people in Spain try to show their “non-patriotic” feeling by just emphasizing that black legend and in the same way I hate it when the Bertin Osborne-like people try to say we have been just the best because bla-bla-bla (I know you understand what I mean), because truth is, history of Spain is as black and pink as all the other countries. So, the thing is, reading now what I wrote, maybe it can give the impression that I want to idealize Isabel I, but I don't. For everything I said about her I have a reference for explaining it and I was the first one surprised about it. Anyway I don't really care about the image that was given of Spain, but more concerned about how the story of the film is well suited in the historical happenings, because Assassin's Creed is one of my favorites sagas and I want it to be as good as possible, and for me, that has a lot to do with how well it fits in history. This said, I really don't like when Assassins are really close to the power in that place. I didn't like the Medici-Ezio relationship, I didn't like the Washington-Ratonhnhaké:ton relationship, I didn't like the Queen Victoria thing, I liked, however, how the relationship between Ezio and Suleiman was very naturally built, but I didn't like the idea of Muhammad XII being almost an Assassin. But well, for me, those relationship, even if I prefer they were represented in a different way, doesn't make them a game changer thing. By the way: We a lot of Spanish people have a very strange feeling motivated for our society issues about how we feel about our history. I mean: Just look at the ending of Syndicate with Queen Victoria. If something like that would have been made with Aguilar and the Catholic Monarchs, I think a facepalm would have been the less we would have made.