Talk:Desmond Miles

Added a lot of images and cleaned up the page. Cyberaltair 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Desmond is a modern-day assassin. He says so in one of the first cutscenes, while sitting on the Animus.BellicoseIntellect 17:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Like, BellicoseIntellect said Desmond is a modern day assassin. But to expand on it, he said that he wasn't an assassin anymore indicating that either he knows his past life was an assassin or he was an assassin before the events of the game took place.Marku uzamaki 21:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Meaning of Assassin
Desmond says he was an assassin. It is important to note, however, that this doesn't necessarily mean that he was a killer, but (as becomes readily obvious in the conversations outside of the animus) rather a member of a "tribe" following the traditions of their ancestor assassins. He says that he ran away when he was younger, saying he thought that they were "Hippies." He never killed anyone. He was still being trained to fight Templars. And something else: What does "Desmond" mean. It might be interesting sinse both Altair and Ezio are "Eagle."--Were fang 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How does Ranveer2 know that he and Lucy escape Abstergo? Toukashi 00:48, October 19, 2009 (UTC) Scratch that. just read the article. Toukashi 22:25, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ezio means "Eagle", and Altair means "Bird of prey" and Desmond means "from South Munster". Twomey1993 16:57, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I've just read somewhere that desmond means man of the world. Any1 find anything similar?

Altair means "The flying one". It has no relation to the word "Bird of Prey" unless you pronounce Altair in a different way in Arabic (the incorrect way) changing the meaning to bird, refernce to the eagle. And the eagle is a bird of prey, that's the only relation between Altair and Bird of Prey. Also Desmond does mean "from South Munster". Cyberaltair 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

To be exact, Desmond means "The World." It would make sense, considering what he's got to go through in the upcoming game! Also, I'd hate to mention Wikipedia, but for the origins of the Assassins, their article on Hashshashin seems accurate enough. AgentValentine 06:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Can you please tell me what source states that Desmond's name means 'the world'. Cause I checked two different sources. One stating, 'From an Irish surname which was derived from Gaelic Deas-Mhumhan meaning "from south Munster (in Ireland)"'. Another stated something very similar with the meaning 'Man from south Munster'. http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Desmond.html http://www.behindthename.com/name/desmond. So if this is correct then we need to remove certain trivia, such as the last added one, where it claims that he's a tragic hero, since his name means the world, which doesn't seem the case to me, and that since AC is about the end of the world.- Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

In Latin, Desmond means "Man of the World." http://baby-names.adoption.com/search/Desmond.html

It seems like Desmond only means "Man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As the game has so much to do with religion and Catholicism, I'd say the Latin meaning is far more likely. You need to check more sources.

He's not a tragic hero though. He does not fit that description. AgentValentine 13:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well I have checked two sources, see above. Which is what troubles me. Two sites so far state that it means from Muster, while one says it's latin and means, man from the world. And yeah someone speculated, not me, that he might be tragic hero in the third one, as said above. AC is about the end of the world, and since he's name means world, he/ she states, maybe that means 'the end of Demond', presuming that he might die in the third game. Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

There's more than one site that says his name means Man of the World. I'm holding a book of traditional Catholic baby names (a book that's well over 21 years old) that states his name means "Man of the World" in Latin, and "Son of man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As Desmond has no Gaelic roots, if we have to presume anything, my vote is for the Latin. AgentValentine 14:29, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I have found more sites myself that state that the meaning is man of the world, however they all did say that the origin was Celtic, not Latin. Tbh, Desmond doesn't sound like it's Latin. So what I propose is that we leave that the name means 'man of the world' however I think we should change that the origin is Celtic.Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Celtic translation is based off the Latin--The Celts were conquered by the Romans, who spoke Latin. If anything, I'd slip Celtic/Latin in there instead of one or the other. Also, I was just reading that Desmond bears another meaning to the Slavic people of East Europe: "All Creation." Goes hand in hand with "The World." AgentValentine 14:36, February 22, 2010 (UTC) EDIT: Also reading that the Anglo-Saxon meaning for the word is "Gracious Defender."

Well the new description of the meaning of his name is fine by me. Enough sources claimed that his name means 'man of the world' - Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I stuck Celtic in there for you, too, since it's impossible to know if the Celts or Romans were the original source of the name meaning. :) AgentValentine 15:02, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and if you could check Desmond's early life, if this description suits you better. It's still canon (according to D.Cello) without calling his parents hippies lol - - Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

On Spoiler Alerts
I feel as if the section on AC has spoilers too for those who have not yet played the first game (yes, those people still exist). If anyone knows how we should create a template that goes at the top of the page to warn about spoilers. We can look to wikis such as Halopedia for inspiration.

Believe me, I would do it myself but I am unfortunately not that good with creating my own templates using the wiki coding. So if someone could please make one it would be much appreciated. BellicoseIntellect 04:50, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

We already have one.

But we not classifying it as spoiler anymore. Spoiler refers to plot details about newly released and recent or upcoming media. AC has been out for 3 years already. -- D. Cello 23:42, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Handedness
Are Desmond and his ancestors (Altair and Ezio) ambidextrous? On the loading screens of both games, Altair, Desmond and Ezio are seen standing southpaw, and in the games, the hidden blades that Altair and Desmond use as well as Ezio's first hidden blade (also the poison blade and the pistol) are used by the left hands. Throwing knives were thrown from their left hands but they wielded their swords right-handed. Is this merely coincidence or are the developers trying to establish a link with the gamers, much like how Link from the Zelda series functions?

H-Man Havoc 16:25, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Concept Art for Assassin's Creed III


I just found this concept art of Desmond for Assassin's Creed III. Here's the link.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/12/23/assassins-creed-concept-art-packs-some-heat/

Your most honorable servant,

- Beirut

Didn't you read the article? It's no artwork, it's fan art. -_- - Master Sima Yi 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Imagine him using that to try to kill you lmao. TitanGunz 00:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Genes
"Desmond, like Altair and Ezio, is a born of a bloodline mixed with Assassin and the "Ones Who Came Before" genes."

This is currently in this article's trivia section. Where is it said that they had Those Who Came Before genes? If this were to be true, why didn't Minerva say something along the lines of "you are on of us" when Ezio was in the Vatican Vault? It seems more logical that they were ancestors of Adam and Eve. And somewhere on this wiki it's said that all of them were immune to the Pieces of Eden's powers, which backs it up. Master Sima Yi 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * If no true source is given, delete it. -- D. Cello 02:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

In one of the Truth Glyphs, Assassins are explained as "born of two worlds" (humans and Gods (Those Who Came Before). And its possible that Ezio is STILL a descendant of Adam and Eve, should they be assassins or something of the like. Not all assassin's were immune to Pieces of Eden. In Masyaf, only Altair and a few other assassins were not affected by the Apple. Being a descendent of Altair, Ezio may be immune (like when he fought Borgia as the Pope) but it may be that he was holding another Piece.

From the Adam and Eve article: "If Adam and Eve were in fact immune to the Piece's of Eden then this would mean that Altair and Ezio were descendants of Adam and Eve. This would also mean that Subject 16 is related to Desmond, possibly his father..."

(I was gonna put this on the Adam and Eve discussion page but I put it on a busier one to try and get more feedback, since it applies to a few pages and seemed to fit in with the Gene question.)

Where was it established that there's only one bloodline that can withstand the Pieces? Isn't it still possible that totally unrelated people could be immune? It looks like the immunity can be inherited, but I haven't seen any indication that it has a single source/line.

There's about 400 years between Ezio and Desmond. Even with a (very long) 50-year generation cycle, that's at least 8 generations. That would mean that Desmond has 256 ancestors in Ezio's generation. We don't *know* that Ezio is the only one in Desmond's ancestry descended from Altair, or even that he's one of Altair's descendants at all. Cello, I'm still looking for the webdoc you mentioned. I'm just going to stay a descendant-agnostic until I find it.

16 and Desmond don't have to be closely related at all to both have Ezio's memories. If Ezio (or any of his children) had more than 1 child, then that could be where 16 and Desmond's lines split. If 16's connection to Altair comes from a different direction (like if they're each from different children of Altair) then Ezio and Altair could be their common ancestors through 2 totally separate trees.

Assuming that ANY humans are not descended from Adam and Eve, it's possible that none of the named characters are descended from them. Altair (probably) wasn't using anything like an Animus, so he doesn't have to be related to get the memory/Truth video. But he still saw it and both 16 and Desmond could see it through Altair's memory of it. 16 seems to have more information, so he's probably related to somebody that was involved, but it still wouldn't have to be Adam or Eve.

Shelkartmarne 17:49, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're completelly right. If you don't have a source, doubt it. I believe it was in one of the interviews that french guy gave to gamespot or ign, where he shows the playthorugh and says "In Assassin's Creed II, we play as another of Desmond's Ancestor, like the greatgreatgreatgreatchildren of Altaïr, but this guy is even more badass than Altaïr." But keep your research, if you find otherwise, change the article. =] -- D. Cello 17:58, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Hood up
Could someone give me proof that when Desmond's hood is up, it resembles a beak? I have searched everywhere for it, but no results have showed up. Master Sima Yi 20:50, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Xbox Live Avatars? I have seen it in the Avatar Marketplace. EliteMaster117 02:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

You never see gim with his hood up, you'll just have to look closely. I'll admit, the beak shape on his hood is not as dramatic as Ezio's and is only a little smaller than Altair's. It's there, just find a good angle and look closely. (J.h.jaraub 01:35, January 17, 2010 (UTC))

D.O.B
What's the source for his DOB? I don't remember it being mentioned in-game, although I could be mistaken. User:Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 10:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Two. -- D. Cello 16:06, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

looks like ezio and altair?
This article (and many others) keeps saying that desmond looks like altair and ezio, why?

I thought it was common knowledge that the animus replaced the ancestors face with the user's, (which is also why on some trailers and art ezio and altair don't look like ther in-game counterparts).

Ezio and altair's REAL faces are never shown in-game, it is shown in some trailers and concept art though (you can see ezio's real face in the mini-movie about his father it actually looks like the face he has in one of the trailers)

However, it seems that this fact is ill-known across the entire wiki, I suggest this issue is adressed.
 * The faces you see in-game are the faces of the characters. I dunno where this "Animus replacing the faces..." rubbish is coming from. The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 23:32, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. What you said make no sense at all, and I'm gonna go ahead and list you the reasons:
 * 1) It was never said the Animus replaced the characters face. If so, why not their bodies as well?
 * 2) From a genetic/science/biological/pratical point of view, replacing their faces with the users makes no sense at all. It would envolve scanning their faces instead of "reading" a memory. The Animus is a "reader and player of genetic memories". as our little bastard Warren Vidic so politely explains to Desm.
 * 3) Ezio is different from Altaïr and Desmond. Altough Desm and Altaïr are almost clones, Desmond and Ezio are very alike, but not exact matches.
 * 4) As said above: "The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures." . They are actually ascendants, but anyway, the statement *is* true.

And sign your posts. ;D -- D. Cello 02:41, March 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just watched Lineage and when I saw that Ezio is the only main character to have different actors in movie and game the first thing I thought was "ah, so the animus replaces the ancestor's face"(it's actually a common way to show a body is possessed by someone else, eg the stargate episodes about mind transfer, so it's a valid theory). There doesn't have to be any scanning involved, it might just seem to Desmond (and the player) to be that way. In that case, anyone who just looked at the recordings would see the ancestor's real face.


 * On the other hand, I just remembered about Bloodlines. If I understand correctly(never played it), you actually play as Altaïr, without using the animus. He still seems to look just the same. If this is true, it's probably the easiest way to disprove the whole face-replacing thing. --n00braz 09:42, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * No the fact is that Ezio is the only character who was too young to depict in the movie to have the same actor in the game as well. They needed a younger Ezio, thus a younger actor. That's all there is to it. The other characters could be depicted by the same actors from the game as the age difference they had was still believable for them in the movie. --Altaïr 12:01, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, n00braz. In every episode of Stargate Universe (the series I'm assuming you're talking about), the person being possessed doesn't have their face physically changed. The possessed character still looks like he or she would before, we only see the possessor for character reference. So we're still waiting on an example of this so called "common way" to show body possession; which, by the way, isn't what's happening within the Animus, technically. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:37, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Think about this realistically, all thats happening is Ubisoft recycling character models to save memory
 * space Darkraider09 15:10, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Time Period
I think if your saying he was born in 1987, you dont have to say what time period he lives inn