Talk:Desmond Miles/Archive 1

Image and Clean
Added a lot of images and cleaned up the page. Cyberaltair 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Desmond is a modern-day assassin. He says so in one of the first cutscenes, while sitting on the Animus.BellicoseIntellect 17:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Like, BellicoseIntellect said Desmond is a modern day assassin. But to expand on it, he said that he wasn't an assassin anymore indicating that either he knows his past life was an assassin or he was an assassin before the events of the game took place.Marku uzamaki 21:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Meaning of Assassin
Desmond says he was an assassin. It is important to note, however, that this doesn't necessarily mean that he was a killer, but (as becomes readily obvious in the conversations outside of the animus) rather a member of a "tribe" following the traditions of their ancestor assassins. He says that he ran away when he was younger, saying he thought that they were "Hippies." He never killed anyone. He was still being trained to fight Templars. And something else: What does "Desmond" mean. It might be interesting sinse both Altair and Ezio are "Eagle."--Were fang 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

How does Ranveer2 know that he and Lucy escape Abstergo? Toukashi 00:48, October 19, 2009 (UTC) Scratch that. just read the article. Toukashi 22:25, October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ezio means "Eagle", and Altair means "Bird of prey" and Desmond means "from South Munster". Twomey1993 16:57, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

I've just read somewhere that desmond means man of the world. Any1 find anything similar?

Altair means "The flying one". It has no relation to the word "Bird of Prey" unless you pronounce Altair in a different way in Arabic (the incorrect way) changing the meaning to bird, refernce to the eagle. And the eagle is a bird of prey, that's the only relation between Altair and Bird of Prey. Also Desmond does mean "from South Munster". Cyberaltair 09:40, December 22, 2009 (UTC) [Also a note, 'des mond' in German (English is mostly a combination of germanic and latin) means 'the moon'] - Some guy,11:58, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

To be exact, Desmond means "The World." It would make sense, considering what he's got to go through in the upcoming game! Also, I'd hate to mention Wikipedia, but for the origins of the Assassins, their article on Hashshashin seems accurate enough. AgentValentine 06:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Can you please tell me what source states that Desmond's name means 'the world'. Cause I checked two different sources. One stating, 'From an Irish surname which was derived from Gaelic Deas-Mhumhan meaning "from south Munster (in Ireland)"'. Another stated something very similar with the meaning 'Man from south Munster'. http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com/meaning_of_Desmond.html http://www.behindthename.com/name/desmond. So if this is correct then we need to remove certain trivia, such as the last added one, where it claims that he's a tragic hero, since his name means the world, which doesn't seem the case to me, and that since AC is about the end of the world.- Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

In Latin, Desmond means "Man of the World." http://baby-names.adoption.com/search/Desmond.html

It seems like Desmond only means "Man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As the game has so much to do with religion and Catholicism, I'd say the Latin meaning is far more likely. You need to check more sources.

He's not a tragic hero though. He does not fit that description. AgentValentine 13:54, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Well I have checked two sources, see above. Which is what troubles me. Two sites so far state that it means from Muster, while one says it's latin and means, man from the world. And yeah someone speculated, not me, that he might be tragic hero in the third one, as said above. AC is about the end of the world, and since he's name means world, he/ she states, maybe that means 'the end of Demond', presuming that he might die in the third game. Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

There's more than one site that says his name means Man of the World. I'm holding a book of traditional Catholic baby names (a book that's well over 21 years old) that states his name means "Man of the World" in Latin, and "Son of man from South Munster" in Gaelic. As Desmond has no Gaelic roots, if we have to presume anything, my vote is for the Latin. AgentValentine 14:29, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Yes I have found more sites myself that state that the meaning is man of the world, however they all did say that the origin was Celtic, not Latin. Tbh, Desmond doesn't sound like it's Latin. So what I propose is that we leave that the name means 'man of the world' however I think we should change that the origin is Celtic.Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

The Celtic translation is based off the Latin--The Celts were conquered by the Romans, who spoke Latin. If anything, I'd slip Celtic/Latin in there instead of one or the other. Also, I was just reading that Desmond bears another meaning to the Slavic people of East Europe: "All Creation." Goes hand in hand with "The World." AgentValentine 14:36, February 22, 2010 (UTC) EDIT: Also reading that the Anglo-Saxon meaning for the word is "Gracious Defender."

Well the new description of the meaning of his name is fine by me. Enough sources claimed that his name means 'man of the world' - Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * I stuck Celtic in there for you, too, since it's impossible to know if the Celts or Romans were the original source of the name meaning. :) AgentValentine 15:02, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, and if you could check Desmond's early life, if this description suits you better. It's still canon (according to D.Cello) without calling his parents hippies lol - - Altaïr Februari 22, 2010 (UTC)

Desmond means 'Gracious Defender' in several different languages....... The Egyptians and Africans had 'Desmonds' like the Romans had Emperors..... Plus, gracious defender does fit quite well, as the Assassins of Altair's day were dubbed 'The Gracious Defenders' ;-)..... Also, Altair does mean 'Head of the Eagle' or simply 'The Eagle'. However, in some of these baby name websites you get 'The Flying One' for some reason......EchoAltair 14:56, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

- Altair ibn la ahad, the flying one, son of no one.

i figure the first name is refrence to Eagle, and son of no one, means he is the first.

- Ezio Auditore,

Ezio being the Itlian pronucation of a Cyprus name. Altair went to cyprus, possibly Italy.

Auditore, derived from Auditor, like a listener and then a spokesman. maybe a prophet. someone to relay a message. "Not to you, but through you"

- Desmond Miles.

Desmond being a man of the world, and Miles, being short for Milestone. (kinda taking a leap of faith with that one)

and considering the world may end in 2012, I would say the would will go through a pretty big milestone.

Desmond in latin = Man of the world, Miles in latin = soldier, all in all a "soldier for the world" meaning he could stop the end of the world and truly bring peace that the assassins strive for the most. 14:56 June 25 2011 (GMT)

On Spoiler Alerts
I feel as if the section on AC has spoilers too for those who have not yet played the first game (yes, those people still exist). If anyone knows how we should create a template that goes at the top of the page to warn about spoilers. We can look to wikis such as Halopedia for inspiration.

Believe me, I would do it myself but I am unfortunately not that good with creating my own templates using the wiki coding. So if someone could please make one it would be much appreciated. BellicoseIntellect 04:50, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

We already have one.

But we not classifying it as spoiler anymore. Spoiler refers to plot details about newly released and recent or upcoming media. AC has been out for 3 years already. -- D. Cello 23:42, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Handedness
Are Desmond and his ancestors (Altair and Ezio) ambidextrous? On the loading screens of both games, Altair, Desmond and Ezio are seen standing southpaw, and in the games, the hidden blades that Altair and Desmond use as well as Ezio's first hidden blade (also the poison blade and the pistol) are used by the left hands. Throwing knives were thrown from their left hands but they wielded their swords right-handed. Is this merely coincidence or are the developers trying to establish a link with the gamers, much like how Link from the Zelda series functions?

H-Man Havoc 16:25, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Well you kinda gave the reason yourself, the reason for the hidden blade being in the left arm is so they would have their right arm for their sword.+ the fact that the ringfinger is cut off and to fight with your sword in a ahnd with only 4 fingers is not so practical I think. I hope that in brotherhood there's some hidden blade+ sword fighting options. 81.11.191.241 16:43, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

They are either Ambidextrous, or they are right-handed and have their Hidden Blades on the left arms so they can grab and hold people in place with their right arms. I.e. Ezio sneaking up behind a guard and covering his mouth while he stabs said guard. Master Decoder 03:45, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Historically left hand soldiers were much sought after because the majority of people wielding swords were right handed. It's kind of the same with boxers and a south paw ( left handed person) will break through the defenses of the majority of opponents. That and the fact that it was a "hidden" blade which could break through an opponents parry would make it a more effective weapon. Along with that the previous comments are correct too as it would allow the individual wielding a hidden blade to use their swords also. Typically the docile hand (lets say the left) would be counter balanced with the dominant hand (lets say the right hand) by having a hidden blade and protective bracer (and vice versa). Then again this theory only applies to direct combat which as we know wasn't what the hidden blade was created for so my theory may be wrong. -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 03:56, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Concept Art for Assassin's Creed III


I just found this concept art of Desmond for Assassin's Creed III. Here's the link.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2009/12/23/assassins-creed-concept-art-packs-some-heat/

Your most honorable servant,

- Beirut

Didn't you read the article? It's no artwork, it's fan art. -_- - Master Sima Yi 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

Imagine him using that to try to kill you lmao. TitanGunz 00:53, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

Genes
"Desmond, like Altair and Ezio, is a born of a bloodline mixed with Assassin and the "Ones Who Came Before" genes."

This is currently in this article's trivia section. Where is it said that they had Those Who Came Before genes? If this were to be true, why didn't Minerva say something along the lines of "you are on of us" when Ezio was in the Vatican Vault? It seems more logical that they were ancestors of Adam and Eve. And somewhere on this wiki it's said that all of them were immune to the Pieces of Eden's powers, which backs it up. Master Sima Yi 12:09, December 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * If no true source is given, delete it. -- D. Cello 02:56, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

In one of the Truth Glyphs, Assassins are explained as "born of two worlds" (humans and Gods (Those Who Came Before). And its possible that Ezio is STILL a descendant of Adam and Eve, should they be assassins or something of the like. Not all assassin's were immune to Pieces of Eden. In Masyaf, only Altair and a few other assassins were not affected by the Apple. Being a descendent of Altair, Ezio may be immune (like when he fought Borgia as the Pope) but it may be that he was holding another Piece.

From the Adam and Eve article: "If Adam and Eve were in fact immune to the Piece's of Eden then this would mean that Altair and Ezio were descendants of Adam and Eve. This would also mean that Subject 16 is related to Desmond, possibly his father..."

(I was gonna put this on the Adam and Eve discussion page but I put it on a busier one to try and get more feedback, since it applies to a few pages and seemed to fit in with the Gene question.)

Where was it established that there's only one bloodline that can withstand the Pieces? Isn't it still possible that totally unrelated people could be immune? It looks like the immunity can be inherited, but I haven't seen any indication that it has a single source/line.

There's about 400 years between Ezio and Desmond. Even with a (very long) 50-year generation cycle, that's at least 8 generations. That would mean that Desmond has 256 ancestors in Ezio's generation. We don't *know* that Ezio is the only one in Desmond's ancestry descended from Altair, or even that he's one of Altair's descendants at all. Cello, I'm still looking for the webdoc you mentioned. I'm just going to stay a descendant-agnostic until I find it.

16 and Desmond don't have to be closely related at all to both have Ezio's memories. If Ezio (or any of his children) had more than 1 child, then that could be where 16 and Desmond's lines split. If 16's connection to Altair comes from a different direction (like if they're each from different children of Altair) then Ezio and Altair could be their common ancestors through 2 totally separate trees.

Assuming that ANY humans are not descended from Adam and Eve, it's possible that none of the named characters are descended from them. Altair (probably) wasn't using anything like an Animus, so he doesn't have to be related to get the memory/Truth video. But he still saw it and both 16 and Desmond could see it through Altair's memory of it. 16 seems to have more information, so he's probably related to somebody that was involved, but it still wouldn't have to be Adam or Eve.

Shelkartmarne 17:49, December 27, 2009 (UTC)


 * You're completelly right. If you don't have a source, doubt it. I believe it was in one of the interviews that french guy gave to gamespot or ign, where he shows the playthorugh and says "In Assassin's Creed II, we play as another of Desmond's Ancestor, like the greatgreatgreatgreatchildren of Altaïr, but this guy is even more badass than Altaïr." But keep your research, if you find otherwise, change the article. =] -- D. Cello 17:58, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Hood up
Could someone give me proof that when Desmond's hood is up, it resembles a beak? I have searched everywhere for it, but no results have showed up. Master Sima Yi 20:50, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Xbox Live Avatars? I have seen it in the Avatar Marketplace. EliteMaster117 02:40, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

You never see him with his hood up, you'll just have to look closely. I'll admit, the beak shape on his hood is not as dramatic as Ezio's and is only a little smaller than Altair's. It's there, just find a good angle and look closely. (J.h.jaraub 01:35, January 17, 2010 (UTC))

[If you look at the penny arcade poster that came out with the preorder ACR, you can clearly see desmond's "beak".

-Dante Vrankov]

D.O.B
What's the source for his DOB? I don't remember it being mentioned in-game, although I could be mistaken. User:Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 10:10, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Two. -- D. Cello 16:06, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

At the end of AC: Brotherhood, Juno says he was "...birthed on the 72nd day before the..." I think it was something about artifacts. Did that mean that it was his birthday when he free ran across the Colosseum? Jackass2009 19:21, February 18, 2011 (UTC)

looks like ezio and altair?
216.230.3.34 08:46, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not certain, as I'm sure it's yet another mystery ubisoft will unveil in the future, but I have a theory:

- They are their real faces, (evidence below by D. Cello, and I'd like to add that if it weren't true then why didn't ezio have the same scar as desmond before he was hit with the rock in AC:2?)

- Ubisoft has stated that Ezio and Altair are not related. They also said that Desmond is the convergence point for a lot of great assassins. Maybe these select few assassins who carry the special genes of the ones who came before bare the same physical appearence. At first I thought this would mean that Giovanni, Petrucio, and Frederico would all look like Desmond, but then again maybe it's a recessive phenotyipc trait that simply comes out in 1 out of x amount of assassins who have the abilities associated with it (like eagle vision). Maybe it's the face of Adam?

EDIT: Also, I just came across an intersting discovery: So far, Altair and Ezio have both been given the highest rank of Grand Master of the Assassins. Just a similarity that may have to do with this.

This article (and many others) keeps saying that desmond looks like altair and ezio, why?

I thought it was common knowledge that the animus replaced the ancestors face with the user's, (which is also why on some trailers and art ezio and altair don't look like ther in-game counterparts).

Ezio and altair's REAL faces are never shown in-game, it is shown in some trailers and concept art though (you can see ezio's real face in the mini-movie about his father it actually looks like the face he has in one of the trailers)

However, it seems that this fact is ill-known across the entire wiki, I suggest this issue is adressed.
 * The faces you see in-game are the faces of the characters. I dunno where this "Animus replacing the faces..." rubbish is coming from. The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 23:32, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. What you said make no sense at all, and I'm gonna go ahead and list you the reasons:
 * 1) It was never said the Animus replaced the characters face. If so, why not their bodies as well?
 * 2) From a genetic/science/biological/pratical point of view, replacing their faces with the users makes no sense at all. It would envolve scanning their faces instead of "reading" a memory. The Animus is a "reader and player of genetic memories". as our little bastard Warren Vidic so politely explains to Desm.
 * 3) Ezio is different from Altaïr and Desmond. Altough Desm and Altaïr are almost clones, Desmond and Ezio are very alike, but not exact matches.
 * 4) As said above: "The simple fact is that, as decendants of Desmond, the two both share highly similar facail structures." . They are actually ascendants, but anyway, the statement *is* true.

{C And sign your posts. ;D -- D. Cello 02:41, March 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just watched Lineage and when I saw that Ezio is the only main character to have different actors in movie and game the first thing I thought was "ah, so the animus replaces the ancestor's face"(it's actually a common way to show a body is possessed by someone else, eg the stargate episodes about mind transfer, so it's a valid theory). There doesn't have to be any scanning involved, it might just seem to Desmond (and the player) to be that way. In that case, anyone who just looked at the recordings would see the ancestor's real face.


 * On the other hand, I just remembered about Bloodlines. If I understand correctly(never played it), you actually play as Altaïr, without using the animus. He still seems to look just the same. If this is true, it's probably the easiest way to disprove the whole face-replacing thing. --n00braz 09:42, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * No the fact is that Ezio is the only character who was too young to depict in the movie to have the same actor in the game as well. They needed a younger Ezio, thus a younger actor. That's all there is to it. The other characters could be depicted by the same actors from the game as the age difference they had was still believable for them in the movie. --Altaïr 12:01, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, n00braz. In every episode of Stargate Universe (the series I'm assuming you're talking about), the person being possessed doesn't have their face physically changed. The possessed character still looks like he or she would before, we only see the possessor for character reference. So we're still waiting on an example of this so called "common way" to show body possession; which, by the way, isn't what's happening within the Animus, technically. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:37, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Think about this realistically, all thats happening is Ubisoft recycling character models to save memory
 * space Darkraider09 15:10, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Darkraider09, why would Ubisoft recycle the same exact face for the three main characters? I'm trying to find the source for this right now, but I fully support the genetics theory. 75.65.53.99 20:37, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Time Period
I think if your saying he was born in 1987, you dont have to say what time period he lives inn
 * Yes we do. Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 19:55, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Appearance

 * Ugh, Desmond has a beard in AC:B? Other than that, I really like the subtle (or not so subtle) changes that are making him into the Assassin he was born to be and has become; the tattoo on his left forearm where his Hidden Blade is worn (connection unconfirmed?), the changing of his hoodie, and the red inside to the hoodie. 173.78.243.192 21:47, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was a bit surprised by the new changes too, however my biggest thing is wanting to see Desmond with his hood up, or atleast a button combination (not a cheat code, but official "put-the-hood-up" combo) introduced to allow him to have it on during any possible modern freeroam sequences outside the animus in Brotherhood. However, I am curious about something; At the end of AC II we see Desmond get a hidden blade and bracer very much like Giovanni's/Ezio's from AC II, however in Brotherhood, as shown in the picture below, the bracer it's self is missing and only the hidden blade is strapped to his forearm. I'm curious as to what he did with the (rather nice) bracer and why he would simply discard it. Sure the hidden blade is a little more discreet without the bracer, but what do you guys think? Assassin-Rayne 22:13, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nowadays there are guns that can shoot through reletivly thin pieces of metal. Even if Desmond's eagle vision works the bullet would still go through that bracer. The bracer could be heavy because the animus does not give you muscles. Blix1ms0ns 20:31, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is it me or does Desmond look a lot older in Revelations then he did in Brotherhood. It's only a video game but I found him pretty sexy in Brotherhood. Is this the effects of the coma...or a new artist? Ehh, he just looks older and fatter in Revelations.04:22, December 27, 2011 (UTC)Erin
 * Is it bad but desmod has a beard in ACB i have the game on xbox 360 so is this something to do with the DLC the da vinci disapperance or am i blind?.10:51, Febuary 7, 2012 (UTC) r.tollerton
 * He doesn't actually have a beard, that image of Desmond just a sorta beta stage for ACB... IlFalcone.OfAwhShumness 11:27, February 7, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond's Hidden Blade
Ubisoft probably went with a different hidden blade because the one in AC II was just an in-game model of Ezio's because they couldn't come up with a good design. Another possibility is it is the same hidden blade, but Desmond decided to get rid of the bracer because it would have stood out if he ever went on assassination missions. Not to mention Ezio was able to take off the Hidden blade without taking off the bracer during his curb stomping of the Pope.

Profile picture
First of all, I like the picture. But it shows Desmond without a beard, and from other images we saw that he does have a beard. So does it depict him correctly? I think we should re-consider what picture we'll use as a profile pic. We can always put the current one in the gallery. -- Altaïr 9:41, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Playable Desmond Skin in The Animus
If you complete every memory in Sequence 8 with 100% sync, you'll recieve a Desmond costume, for use in the animus.

That is incorrect. You will receive an Old Altaïr outfit. You recieve the Desmond outfit by completing all of the Desmond's Journey levels. (BTW, I assume you are referring to Revelations) Octagonapus97 01:58, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

ACIII
Okay someone added this: "It has been confirmed that there will be a Asssassin's Creed 3 coming and Desmond will be reliving his ancestors memories from the WW2."

Without any reference whatsoever. I always heard WWII was unlikely because all games go there. But i'm not someone to dismiss new onformation easily, butit has to be sourced. So i leave it to others to judge on this. Maybe the author has proof and will proivde it when reading this

EXistenZ! 20:06, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

I just sifted through latest news for Assassin's Creed 3, and nothing pops up about WWII being the next setting. Some people expect that to be so, but I doubt it. It's too cliche. It'll probably be a setting where the church is prominent in its influences to show corruption of power--The 3rd crusade, the Italian Renaissance-- and WWII was more about the main world powers in WWI-Germany, mainly-getting back at their enemies after being forced to pay back damages after surrendering. We have the Holocuast, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and Pearl Harbor, all of which have nothing to do with faith and religion except the Jewish victims of the Nazis. Where would he/she go? Nazi camps in Poland? Japan? France? The U.S was uneventful at the time as far as fighting was concerned. I doubt they'd go back to Italy. Ooh, what if Desmond's ancestor sees Hitler off himself in his bunker? On 2nd thought, Nazi-occupied France sounds cool......And so do the battles in North Africa. Being a Tuskeegee airmen would be cool, too. A black assassin? That would be a fresh change. Sorry for my ramblings, but all in all, World War II is too hectic for a sneaky assassin to go around shanking people when they have assault rifles and snipers. Unless he'll have a bat like Eli Roth in Inglorious Basterds, hehe.Strang3Happ3nings 18:47, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

A few rumours of eygpt are popping up at the moment I myself would like it to be set during the steam revoulution of the 1800 but dosen't the comic the fall cover the later side of that and maybe they could go to the 1700 during the evoulution of technoloy. 10:56,Febuary 7, 2012 r.tollerton.

The Beard
Can we remove any mention of Desmond's beard in Brotherhood. It looks like it was just a design Ubi were fiddling around with, and never decided to use.

An Interesting Theory
Someone on Gamespot just came up with a good theory after beating Brotherhood. At mention of Subject 16 saying "Your son..." to Desmond, someone theorized that we are reliving the memories of Desmond in the game. Are the recordings Sub. 16 leaves behind activated exclusively to Desmond, or could any assassin decode them? I remember his glyphs being unspecified as to who he was talking to in the 2nd one, and he never said Desmond's name, so maybe he's rattling off info to the Assassins he knew would be able to decode his puzzles and find the truth. If so, he could have been talking to Subject 15, who was pregnant. I think Sub. 16's mind is confined to the Apple, personally. Sounds crazy, I know. It tripped me out, but anyone have any evidence to refute this claim? Strang3Happ3nings 00:53, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * The glyphs were hidden within Desmond's (and 16's) genetic memories, so only the those two would be able to access them. That said, I am personally of the opinion that the feminine voice you hear in the clusters is, in actuality, 16 speaking through the Animus; kinda like, his conciousness is embedded within the genetic memories he has visited. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 00:58, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. So he could very well be talking about his own son, yes? When he says he needs to recharge, I wonder if he's connected to a computer somewhere far away......Like some kind of machine that holds consciences of dead people. Like some kind of afterlife thingy. Any religion goes in the AC Universe. Strang3Happ3nings 01:20, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, that was basically the only message I got from "the truth" and the ending- that even when the gamer believes they are out of the animus, they are still in one. The first clue is obviously from subject 16, he refers to the "sun" (solar flare), then he refers to "your son" which he says specifically to Desmond. At first I thought it may have been a reference to the momentarily mentioned pregnant woman, however, the couple lines of dialog at the very end of the game directed me elsewhere. Some unknown male voices are talking, one says "he is going into shock" and "its the animus that did this to him" and the other tells the first to "put him back in", then you hear a third voice struggle to say "no". This extra but of information made me believe that someone is reliving Desmonds memories, and that most likely it is Desmond's son. The final clue I noticed on my second playthrough, subject 16 also said "it is far later than you know", this I thought dramatically reinforces the notion that the whole game takes place inside another animus. I suppose it could be Desmond himself being forced to relive memories by abstergo again, but I do believe that his son is the one doing the reliving, after all he would of course have the DNA required to do so. - Icarus Pariah 1:15, December 23, 2010
 * Somehow the "animus within the animus" theory/parts kinda reminds me of controlling a game controller using a robot arm. Pehaps those "animus within animus" parts are just virtual machines. If the "son in the animus theory is correct" then why can't they play the memory in "the son's" animus. Perhaps it is faster viewing and processing that way. Blix1ms0ns 20:26, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Is it canon?
Desmond, in-game, can interact at different intervals with the other Modern day Assassins. Do we consider this to be part of the series cannon? If so should the details of the conversations be put in his Biography?

Also, do we know if picking up the Modren day artefacts is cannon too?Kam-Sage 17:59, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cannon go boom! Yes, it is canon. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 03:22, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Two men
It says that after Desmond stabs Lucy two men put him in the animus again after he goes into shock. Does that mean Abstergo found him again or could it be that Shaun and Rebecca and two other Assassins Put him in the animus after he went into shock and do the assassins know thst Juno was controlling Desmond?


 * If we knew, it would be in the article. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 21:39, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

The two man are not part of Abstergo since one sayed he is in shock and sayed the animus did this to him which means he was worryed about desmond which mean they can't be part of Abstergo.Mrgod11234 22:14, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

One of the men is William M. as was revealed in the Da Vinci Disappearance if u play it after u beat Brotherhood. 10:48, May 18, 2011

just out of weard wondering do you think that william is desmonds dad .ie the M for Miles

Adam Sandler
Has anyone else noticed how much he looks like Adam Sandler? I know he wasn't modeled after him, but still. He looks a lot like him. Jackass2009 05:41, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

He also looks a bit like Josh Randall, he's not very well known, but google him, you'll see it. &#39;R BlaiddDdraig 06:56, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

At least we know who to cast as Desmond if they ever make an Assassin's Creed movie.

Nothing is true; everything is permitted. 20:46, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Desmond's Stability
Hmm this storyline is ridiculous.

But it is oh so very good.

So on a basis, what do we know for sure here? Is Desmond in a good situation or bad one? Because all we see here is him being chucked (Forced) into the animus.

When are we gonna see some modern day work for at least... say, 2 sequences worth of time?

Also, his Sanity is questionable (As of this moment especially) I dont think its cool to stab your (Allies) Controlled or not.

More on this. 98.14.179.19 02:17, January 17, 2011 (UTC) Mr.Wise

He is in a bad position for sure, and if you could hear Juno or Jupiter or whatever she's called, she said to stop resisting. Also, there's the possibility that Lucy had her intentions to screw the whole crew over. "She's not who you think she is." Jackass2009 03:18, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

-I honestly think that the "Lucy traitor" concept is something thatwas implied in the ending to throw us all off, Read the assassins creed the fall comics and you can see that the last time something along the lines of (very loosely along the lines, but still...) desmond's situation happened, that Daniel Cross (Spoilers) almost got romantically involved with Hanna before he killed the Mentor, he also got pretty far into the assassins before his sleeper agent programming activated, so the emails from "William" to lucy could be something of a hint to that incident, especially considering that it has been said that the comics will significantly tie in to the next game, and the assassins could still be weary of a repeat of the past, especially if "William" is Bill Miles, then he would have been close enough to the incident to remember it, and know some of the specifics, honestly though none of the speculations made ever turn out to be true, my guess is probably 100% wrong, as are all the others, but that's why we all love Assassin's Creed, the writers are just that good, the graphics and gameplay are amazing, andings rock, and you always come back asking for more while your thoughts run through in-game conspiracy theories crazier than those of Boyd from the Milkman level of Psychonauts.

About the "she's not who you think she is" 16 was talking about Minerva/juno due to the fact that if you look closly at the garden of eden video minerva is standing over what look like human slaves and she/it seem's to have a controle issue, which if you think about it if 16 is still an assassin in consciousness he will do anything to help desmonds jouney and if you think about altiar he was liberating men and women under a templar mastery an also TWCB seem to contain templar symbols in the AC2 glyches such as Horus. 14:47 june 25 2011

Desmond's Assassin outfit
So, what do you think Desmond's Assassin attire'll look like in ACIII? It's most likely just going to be his same white hoodie with the hood up but hey, you never know.

I'm thinking something along the lines of a long white trench coat or a duster with a cowl on the back or something like that. What do you think?

Nothing is true; everything is permitted. 20:43, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

I think it'll be very much the same as it is now. I'm guessing he'll put his hood up, probably recieve a gun, a collapsable asp (like the ones the Abstergo guards carry) that would collapse into an inconspicuous handle to attach to his belt. And probably a few bits and bobs around his waist. Bearing in mind that, presumably, he'll be travelling in public, he can't afford to throw caution to the wind like Ezio and Altair. He'll have to hide his weapons carefully. RussellSparrow 22:30, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Better, It would look like his present attire but ... he would need some sort of close combat type wepon. I personally want a cool collapsable Katana(samurai sword). It could fold into a small handle he could strap to his back. Mabe a silenced pistol type gun (for secrecy). And mabe a heavier gun for a more violent approch. All of this could be consealed by wearing a sleeveless padded jacket. He would probably look like Alex Mercer's beta design from [PROTOTYPE]...And he should have three hidden blades (two on one wrist. Mabe one splits apart). Three hidden blades=Assassins Creed III. 19.54, April 26,2011(UTC)

If they are going to give Desmond a third hidden blade, maybe it could be a boot knife-thing (like the Joker uses in The Dark Knight), so Desmond can use his kick attack to actually do more damage, or fight while free running. I'm not so keen on the guns, although the way I think it would work is similar to the crossbow, Desmond using a sniper rifle or something similar. Some enemies could use guns maybe, but I dont want Desmond to become gun-heavy. User:Eggy2504 21:31, August 12, 2011

Desmond's tattoo
Does anyone have a design of Desmond's tattoo on his left arm? Where did it come from? Has it always been there and what does it represent? 4/2/2011 10:55 (UTC)


 * No. Tattoo artist. Since before AC1 started. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:58, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It represents his heretige as a member the Brotherhood which he probably got before or after he turned 16 which is the age that he ran away from the "Farm"
 * It represents his heretige as a member the Brotherhood which he probably got before or after he turned 16 which is the age that he ran away from the "Farm"

"Nexus" where he, ezio and alrair meet?
So any ideas of what this "nexus" where the threee of them meet? I say its got to do with the scar. its got to be the scar.

I was thinking it had something to do with the 3 of their love interests dying. Altair's was Adha, Ezio's was Cristina, and Desmond's was Lucy--assuming Lucy died. I never got the hint that they were falling in love, though. They sounded more like college buddies and close friends but not lovers. Perhaps the driving anger that ran through them at the time will bring him back to consciousness, but I'm pretty sure it's something more important than a woman dying, so feel free to ignore this ramble, lol.

Maybe all 3 see a key moment in Adam and Eve's history. They've all been around the Apple for extended periods of time, so maybe it has something to do with that. Remember when Altair's codex said he wanted to look at the apple one last time? We don't know what happened after that. We just assume Altair died. Maybe those 5 discs not only look into the past but also the future and they transfer Desmond's mind as well as Ezio's and Altair's to one point where they all meet and have a brainblast. Strang3Happ3nings 23:13, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

Altair's love interest was Maria Thorpe EzioA7 01:01, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

Altair's first love interest was Adha though. -Anon

I MADE SOMETHING
So, I made something... |check it out. It's what Desmond did before he was kidnapped by Abstergo. Playing soccer during his pastimes. This is not true, so don't ask me where i got it. Sorry, forgot to sign. By the way, Desmond is darker here, blame Avatara. MakinArceneau 03:07, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * K. Il Lupo  04:07, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

What is Desmond?
I remember reading somewhere, I think it was the AC booklet, that Altair was ethnically ambiguous. One of the developers of the game said he had a Christian mother and a Muslim father (but the wierd thing is, he has no accent--neither Arabic or English, but it's accentless. They said that was intentional, even though his voice was changed in Altair's Chronicles.) Ezio is Italian and Desmond is American. Vidic mentioned him having African ancestors in the 1st game, but how far back? He wasn't specific, so it could have been any time period except the ones explored, either before or after. I know Desmond is a hybrid of TWCB and humans, but does anyone have any more info about this? Just curious. Strang3Happ3nings 23:24, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Altair was not ethnically ambiguous, he's half Syrian at least (on his father's side). Also, he does have an accent, it may not be an arabic accent, but he still has one&hellip; American isn't an ethnicity, it's a nationality. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 23:48, May 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see....Well, if that is Desmond's nationality, then what is his ethnicity? I can't seem to place Altair's accent at all....:-/ When he speaks Arabic at the end of the 1st one to Al Mualim, it didn't sound as fluid as my cousin's Arabic. Strang3Happ3nings 01:51, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

WTF WHO DELETED THE WHOLE TEXT?!?!?!?!!

Jaanwu95 11:57, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

WTF?!?!?!?
WHO DELETED THE WHOLE PAGE??????

Vandals. Sign your posts. UDITORE 12:01, June 21, 2011 (UTC)

Desmond - Templar/Assassin
Altair and Maria obviously made a baby (as shown in Assissins Creed II). So, does this mean that Desmond is both an Assassin and a Templar? Desmond is a decendant of Altair and he had a baby with Maria who is a Templar. -- SomeGuy 5:59, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

Not necesarrily. Maria obviously was no longer a Templar when she married Altair, it's not like a Templar is a race or anything either. Besides, Ezio was a ancestor of Desmond too Falco Luce 10:21, August 23, 2011 (UTC)

"You were born from our loains and the loains of our enemy.". That's a quote from, Juna, at the end of Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. I think he has Assassin and Templar DNA; maybe that's why he's so important? -- SomeGuy, 18:54, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

No, Juno says that he's born with TWCB and human DNA. Uditore  ™  22:58, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Juno says "our enemy" not humans.

Humans became the enemies of TWCB. Lrn2Creed. CryptoKiller 12:27, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance: He still has his Courier bag in Revelations.
I've recently poked around the latest Revelations trailers and editing pics I've taken, and I've sharpened the one where Desmond appears briefly in the Gamscon trailer. Take a look at this.



Why does he even have the bag? They never explain it nor does he ever use it.Einsteinium99 23:52, October 22, 2011 (UTC) Yeah, I also found this. PingoEagle 15:31, October 27, 2011 (UTC)

I believe what I see to be the courier bag strap, hiding in plain sight. And besides, common sense. Desmond fell uncocnscious while still equiped with the bag.

Well, I'm just asking for an idea for extra features of his new appearance. It's not proven unless we play the game.

Il Falcone 06:26, September 22, 2011 (UTC) can you find a link to the model it self DoubleMatt1 20:47, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Weird Picture???!
Is it just me or is the new picture of Desmond somewhat... retarded looking? (I meant his face)

89.143.126.210 12:32, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * He just fall into a brain dead coma, so I suppose looking a little retarded goes with the territory. XD


 * -SirGeon Jones 13:34, September 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * They've changed the faces of Altair, Ezio and Desmond. 122.111.169.79 02:46, September 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * The reason why he looks a bit messed up because they have new scanning software which shows the look a like of the model for desmonBolandjj98 20:30, March 16, 2012 (UTC)Bolandjj98

Diffrent look
Does anyone know why Desmond in Revelations is gonna look a bit "negative"?(Black hoodie, white shirt)

And why does he have a beard? It looks badass, I admit but we already have Ezio! That's enough!

Forgot to sign, sorryPingoEagle 12:02, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe it's due to Revelations having a more darker theme.

Izamanaick 23:44, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean, darker theme? PingoEagle 21:19, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

Desmond has the beard and darker look because that's how he sees himself in his subconscious, which makes up the Black Room, which is why he looks that way in there. Whether he looks that way in the actual game at this time outside of the Black Room is not known at this time.

- Nostalgia AC  Let's talk 21:23, October 28, 2011 (UTC)

So you mean the Black Room is warping Desmond's look?PingoEagle 13:16, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Different look The reason he has a black hoodie is because the animus made everything oppasite.Clubby123 20:48, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond's lineage
So, William ( Desmond's father) cant use the Apple of Eden. That means he is not a descendant of the Ones Who Came Before.. so can it be assumed that he has no relation to Ezio and Altair ? that Ezio's and Altair's lines crossed and that line leads to Desmond's mother ? Dor Sklar 21:53, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * What? William said one person in a million has a high concentration of First Civilization DNA; that's why Desmond can use the Apple. --Alientraveller 21:59, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

Tattoo Question
Does someone know if a picture of Desmond's full tattoo exists? Because would like to get one by myself with Daniel's assassin tattoo.

more from Path to Revelations
It was confirmed Desmond used to work in a bar named "Horizon". I took a quiz in Path to Revelations. Also please tell me who the hell is another ancestor whose memory was relived by Desmond. I answered 2 but it's wrong. Red romanov 13:24, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Zoomed in?


Does anyone have a zoomed in version that's not blurry? Subject 16 18 04:31, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

I found a bit larger one here http://assassinscreedsite.pl/images/articles/plik011_2.jpg some names could be read Red romanov 15:31, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Glowing Arm
What's with the glowing arm in the end of Revelations?! W0lfr3b0rn 02:55, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Correcting
To whoever wrote the Desmond Miles page: Exploring the Black Room has Shaun spelled "Shawn" near the end.

Ilikewalls 02:44, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Then fix it? ShermTank7272 22:31, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond's Anscestry
The database article for Ezio in revelations says that William visited Ezio's memories and had a taste of his eagle vision, can somebody add the fact that desmond is descended from ezio through his father and from altair through his mother. Ive already added this to william's article. RomanEagle 18:17, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Database entries in Revelations were written by Subject 16, not William, we don't know if Altair --> William, or if Ezio --> William Master Decoder 03:51, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Header
Does anyone else think the header's a bit long? Its supposed to give a short description of the character, not summarize the rest of the article, right? ShermTank7272 22:30, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

Official Guide
Desmond is a direct descendant of Adam. This is in the Assassin's Creed: Revelations Official Guide. How can this be an unreliable source? Clarify please?

B.D. Landry 13:23, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this question up like this as it helps the community and staff to resolve it as quickly as possible. Anyways, to answer you question I'd like to ask you to have patience until it can be reviewed in more detail. In the last while there has been a lot of contradiction between the Encyclopedia, the books and the games. All of this has to be reviewed and assessed by the staff and by getting general community consensus so if it is canon you can be assured that the staff will make the right decision. I understand your frustration about the undone edits but the wiki staff simply want to ensure the accuracy of the information and Ubi has not made it easy in the last while with all the contradictions they have put out there. As an editor you have a great grasp of the format and MoS, the info was well written so I hope you continue to work on the wiki and keep adding to it. -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 14:07, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.

B.D. Landry 14:46, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * It is an official Ubisoft medium, and there is nothing to contradict Desmond is Adam's descendant, so he is. -- Master Sima Yi 15:12, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * As to why your edits were reverted, the articles were about Adam and Eve, not humans in general. Only info about them in particular goes on there, and please refrain from copying large bits of text and put them on the same articles. Makes it less interesting to read. -- Master Sima Yi 15:31, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * The infomation I provided was specifically about Adam and Eve. It is the information that is under the Adam and Eve section in the guide. Any information that is about general humans was incidental to that of Adam and Eve and required to be in the article so that information about Adam and Eve is placed in the proper context. Furthermore, there is only limited information available about Adam and Eve.


 * B.D. Landry 18:50, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * A proper context is okay, but it was straying too far from Adam and Even in general. For an extensive context people can read the humans article. And I am aware that there is limited information available about them, but that's not relevant. The article is simply about them, and only information related to them is required. ;) We do not strive to have the longest possible articles, but only required, accurate and consistent information. -- Master Sima Yi 12:28, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Retarded Face
I wonder what happened to his face in Revelations. It looks so sulken that even one of my friends didn't even recognise him because of the beard, new clothes and his sulken face. See it belowGhost Master Assassin 07:31, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Infobox image
Since some of the character pages like Ezio or Altaïr had their images reverted from their latest look in games to the ones that they're most commonly associated with, should Desmond's image be changed back to his previous appearance from Brothethood? Thoughts? Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  16:02, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * A bump for discussion. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  13:10, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * And another. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  15:48, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Desmond's image should be reverted. Stormbeast  The Helpful Place 16:13, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Desmond Mile's Regret
When Clay ask Desmond if he had any regret. When he mention Lucy "And Lucy... maybe things could have been different if I'd- I'm not sure."

It sounded like Desmond know Lucy's allegiance to the Templar the way he's saying it or maybe its about killing her or maybe both. Who knows I guess we'll figured it out in Assassin's Creed III. Should we mention this somehow? --Cococrash11 02:27, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

I think he was talking about how things would be different if he didn't run away from the farm. Abstergo might not have captured him, and he might not have met Lucy. If he hadn't met Lucy, he couldn't of stabbed her, and she'd still be alive. So in a way, he's blaming himself for Lucy's death. Undertaker96au 12:35, May 19, 2012 (UTC)Undertaker96au

His working place
It was confirmed Desmond used to work in a bar with the name "Horizon". I took a quiz in Path to Revelations in November. Also please tell me who is another ancestor whose memory was relived by Desmond. I answered 2 but it's wrong. Red romanov 15:28, April 20, 2012 (UTC)

It must have been retconned to become Bad Weather in the Lost Archive then. Also, Desmond relived the memories of Aquilus, an Assassin during the Roman Empire, which would make it 3 (excluding Connor, which was revealed later).


 * Edit: Scratch that, it was Desmond's Journey, not The Lost Archive. Slate Vesper 15:35, April 20, 2012 (UTC)