Talk:Lucy Stillman/Archive 1

Arent the Istruttori supposed to be voting on featured and good stuff? Lucy's page has been in the voting proccess for way to long, just go and say yay or nay already!

Spying on Abstergo
So when does she start spying on Abstergo? The article makes no mention of when it started, as it makes it seem she was unaware of their secret agenda. I would assume she would have been an assassin since birth too. Im just confused since it sounds like she just ended up working for them. Miumaru 06:17, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

She probably started off working for them, spying from the beginning. I'm not sure when exactly that was chronologically, but she was definitely an assassin long before she went to Abstergo. You can tell because when you get to the assassin hideout in AC2 Rebeca hugs Lucy and says "god it's been so long, 7 years..".

06:30, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Death
Okay, so it was said that Lucy dies during Brotherhood. I was wondering if anyone could back that up anywhere right now. I put this into the trivia section, and three minutes later it was deleted:

"It has been rumored that Lucy dies during the Modern-Day events in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. As Ubisoft has said that Desmond's story is supposed to "take an interesting turn", this may be the cause."

What do you guys (and gals) think? A.  J.  two  18:12, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's still a big assumption, just because they hinted it would take an interesting turn for Desmond. It could be other reasons. Things to do with his ancestors and such. We can't put in rumours that go between forums and such. If Ubisoft hinted more something might happen with Lucy, then that would have at least have been a more fair assumption. Altaïr 20:16, 31 July, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only reson I know about it is because, a few days back, an anon put it into the trivia section on the Main Brotherhood article. I figured if someone just came up with it, then it had to have been said somewhere. Even if it was on a forum, they wouldn't have been talking about it unless the person who started the thread had some kind of proof, even if really little. I figured it would be something worth checking into, but my computer hates a lot of websites, so I don't know if I would be able to view the thread when (and if) I find it. That's mainly the reason why I made this. A.  J.   two  18:23, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I thank you would be surprised how far fans can speculate, and what they'll speculate about. Really it can almost come from nowhere, just like the line you said, that it would take a drastic turn for Desmond. From that alone you would take something emotional is going to happen to Desmond, and the first thing that pops in your head is that something is going to happen to Lucy, which he cares about, and likely loves. What are the things that could happen? Kidnapping... Death. Things I can speculate about out of my own head because of just that one line. So, they don't need more sources at all to "assume" Lucy is going to die. -- Altaïr 20:38, 31 July, 2010 (UTC)

This reminds me of Altair lossing Adha. Blix1ms0ns 02:04, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Good point. A.  J.  two  19:03, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

On an completely unrelated note, why does it take you to Metroid Wiki when you press the button in the template at the top of the page? Did Cello originally get the template from there and never fixed the link? A.  J.  two  19:05, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I relegate the template management to other users. Maybe some of them copyed the infobox from there. (what link takes you to metroid wiki oO)? -- D. Cello 19:44, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * The edit section: "Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic." That link goes to the Metroid wiki, instead of creating a new section here. A.  J.   two  19:50, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I tried to fix it, but now it only points to the article, instead of giving you the option to edit it. Any ideas Stringed Instrument? A.  J.  two  20:01, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I SO have no idea what you're talking about.. oO See, that's why we need Progetisti!! -- D. Cello 20:04, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Instead of automatically going to the edit screen with a new section (like the "leave a new message" buttons), it just comes to the talk page. I tried to fix it, but I couldn't get it to work, so I gave up. I haven't been here long enough to know who is good with coding, so I don't know who to ask about it.
 * P.S. And aren't you supposed to know everything about the wiki, oh Holy Harp? :P A.  J.   two  20:08, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was a quarterback in school, "crazy computer coding" wasn't in my requirement sheet ;D -- D. Cello 20:09, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not even done with school yet :). I know my way around a computer, but I haven't been on Wikia long enough to learn all the coding involved, which is why I usually copy. A.  J.   two  20:15, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if you guys like I could hunt down an old buddy of mine (that just so happens to be an AC fan as well, I got my copy of the first one from him for my birthday :D) that does a pretty darn good job at coding. He sure confuses me with his "code-talk", and I've seen some of the lines of code he's worked on, that stuff is intricant. XD What do you guys think? (that is, of course, if he's not already here under an assumed name, darn us Assassins for being discreet. *shifty eyes*) Assassin-Rayne 22:31, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about people who haven't completed the game?
 * I don't know how I'm gonna play AC III if Lucy actually died, wouldn't be the same without her. 114.77.151.72 09:33, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

So, while Lucy being stabbed and possibly dying was shocking as all heck, I knew beforehand, as evidenced by this very talk section. While I didn't know that I knew, I still knew nonetheless. This probably looks like I'm gloating or something, and I probably am, but still. 23:51, June 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Dammit. Why are they doing this? :( Lucy was my second fave character...


 * First, sign your posts. Second, who is your favorite? Unless it's Desmond, or any modern day assassins I can assure that they are dead. 05:23,11/17/2011 05:23, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Article Tense
Refering to writing, we consider what happens today 2010 in RL and 2012 in-game universe to be the current time frame. She is a assassin and that status is passive, only due to change if she interferes. Therefore, in 2012 she is still a assassin, so that bit can be written as present. -- D. Cello 22:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

@Jasca

"Ezio's story hasn't ended either, are you saying we have to put "is" everywhere on his article as well? Coz we're gonna have to put "will be" on this article... past tense across the board solves it"

Um, mate.. Ezio's story and death ended/happened centuries ago... so it's past tense.. Lucy's story is happening at that moment in the game, while Ezio's has already happened and they're just reliving his experiences.. like what Cello said.. XD  The T h i e f 05:54, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which Source says Ezio died? Just like Altair, his death is only assumed, not set in stone. And when I said his story is not yet over, I'm referring to the fact that Brotherhood has yet to be released, and so technically, his story is not yet finished. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:30, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that everything we know happened in the past. -- D. Cello 15:18, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * And 2012 is in the future&hellip; so by that standing, we should be writing "such and such will be a member of the Assassin's order" or whatever. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:31, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I already said that the present time is the game's present time. In-universe is in-universe, real life is real life. -- D. Cello 17:47, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * And in real-life, 2012 is in the future. I'm fine with having "Lucy Stillman is&hellip;" in the article if that's what people want, but we need to have a consensus on tense soon, otherwise people will be putting "is" on every article on the wiki. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:57, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lucy is known to be an Assassin before 2012, at the top of the talk page someone mentioned that she says to Rebecca "It's been 6 years." or something similar. That would set our knowledge of her being an Assassin since 2006. 86.20.236.193 20:32, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. If you want to make a policy like the one you did for sourcing, you're more than welcomed and allowed to, Jasca. It would prevent lots of misunderstandings. -- D. Cello 19:42, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. If you want to make a policy like the one you did for sourcing, you're more than welcomed and allowed to, Jasca. It would prevent lots of misunderstandings. -- D. Cello 19:42, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well whatever we/you decide, remember that the present is still considered the most recent date mentioned in-game. Just make a policy that states that, exactly pretty much. Just by saying what I just said, should make it pretty clear what should be referred to as past-tense and present tense, heh -- P  i   r   a   t   e   h   u   n   t   e   r   (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:16, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Lucy's Abilites
So, I just read Lucy's trivia and it says she has similar free running abilities like Desmond and his ancestors. Does that imply that she is a hybrid too or just really good at scaling walls and jumping to greater heights? If so, Juno made Desmond kill his 'Eve' if she weren't a traitor. Well, Rosa was extremely agile, but she wasn't a hybrid. Strang3Happ3nings 00:35, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who says she's a hybrid? Desmond couldn't free-run untill the bleeding effect started kicking in in AC II. Lucy can free run probably from training she went through has she grew up with the assassins, it's even shown she cant free run as well as Desmond can once he picks up on Ezios abilities. And Lucy isn't Desmonds "Eve" Juno states that the woman he seeks is not within his sight or somehting like that and then has him kill Lucy probably for the feelings he had for her. Chris-the-killer 06:47, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's to say Lucy is dead? If Desmond was struggling again the Piece of Eden's control, he might not have stabbed her so that she dies, she could still survive. 86.20.236.193 20:26, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I knew about Juno's dialogue with Desmond, but I wanted to be sure because UbiSoft can slide things into the game, and the player wouldn't suspect a thing when it comes back. Like when Altair let Maria go in the 1st one; who knew she would become his wife? I didn't. Strang3Happ3nings 07:21, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're basically just trying to cover every possible ludicrous aspect so if it happens, you say "I told you so"? oO Meh, not gonna happen ;D -- D. Cello 16:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not that kind of person. ;) I merely wanted to know what other people thought about the subject. :) Plus I was a little unclear about it all. Strang3Happ3nings 01:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're basically just trying to cover every possible ludicrous aspect so if it happens, you say "I told you so"? oO Meh, not gonna happen ;D -- D. Cello 16:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not that kind of person. ;) I merely wanted to know what other people thought about the subject. :) Plus I was a little unclear about it all. Strang3Happ3nings 01:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not that kind of person. ;) I merely wanted to know what other people thought about the subject. :) Plus I was a little unclear about it all. Strang3Happ3nings 01:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Red Trail
BROTHERHOOD SPOILERS

After Lucy tells you about the food, she goes outside...when you follow, she talks to you for a moment and goes back inside (but mostly seemed to disappear from my game until the very end). If you go into Eagle Vision, there's a red trail leading from where she was standing down to the fountain in front of the villa. (Wasn't that the entrance to the Auditore crypt or something?)

I assume this trail is why people talk about Lucy maybe being a traitor, but I'll trust her because she stays blue in Eagle Vision. (Actually, I'd put her loyalty beyond question just based on Desmond's Eagle Vision reveal in AC 1, but that's just my notion of sense/storytelling more than based on the facts as presented so far.) Regardless of Lucy's loyalties, I was just curious what the wiki community thought was going on there...who left the trail, what were they up to, were there clues in the game that I missed, that sort of thing. It's really nagging at me, but I can't come up with much.Shelkartmarne 05:24, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * The trail is always there, after rentering the animus. Always. I think it's for future DLC.NickTyrong 11:17, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, so I talked to her the first time when she goes outside, but after I finished Sequence 5, I noticed she was gone again. This time I couldn't find her outside. Anyone know where she went? 99.100.134.163 03:30, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the red trail means either, I noticed it looks like a DNA strand. The red stuff used to make it was probably blood. The fact that it starts near where Lucy was standing and ends at the Assassin insignia on the front of the Villa is way too specific to be a coincidence. I can't help but think its related to subject 16, but who knows?66.30.71.81 17:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the red trail means either, I noticed it looks like a DNA strand. The red stuff used to make it was probably blood. The fact that it starts near where Lucy was standing and ends at the Assassin insignia on the front of the Villa is way too specific to be a coincidence. I can't help but think its related to subject 16, but who knows?66.30.71.81 17:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the red trail means either, I noticed it looks like a DNA strand. The red stuff used to make it was probably blood. The fact that it starts near where Lucy was standing and ends at the Assassin insignia on the front of the Villa is way too specific to be a coincidence. I can't help but think its related to subject 16, but who knows?66.30.71.81 17:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was thinking the red trail between her and the symbol shows her loyalty. Since as someone said it looks like DNA, it might be showing that it's in her blood to be an Assassin, that even if on the surface she betrays the Assassins or for a while is still working with the Templars, she'll come back to the Assassins. Just my idea. 121.91.81.145 13:00, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think I know what the trail is for
 * Maybe its the path lucy took to get outside the city to get more food
 * or it could of been that she is meeting up with some templars in a near by city like Florence,thats close
 * and this reason is backed up because she could of taken the path behind the Altair statue but she didnt want them to know Mentor Nicko 00:53, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * The red trail is the noobs way of finding their way back to the Sanctuary in the Villa Auditore. Both Falko Poiker and Darby McDevitt have confirmed this.
 * Izamanaick 01:05, November 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * Considering the fact that this is where you start the mission after Ezio gets shot and makes his way into the villa from behind, has no one ever thought it could be his blood trail?
 * 66.131.84.196 04:49, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

HELP!
Okay, this sucks! I just finished subject 16's stuff, and when I leave the animus, THE GAME GLITCHES! My character freeses inside the damn chair, and I had to restart! Can someone please tell me what Lucy, who had finally come back from her little "stroll", was going to say!? PLEASE! STUPID GAME!NickTyrong 18:39, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Please help! This really sucks! i just finished the single player campaign, completed 98% of the game and realised i had forgotten to collect the artifacts hidden in 2012. Now i have no option to leave the animus, and the rumor of there being an option to travel their at the end of the credits is false. Does anyone know if there is anyway of getting back to 2012 after you have completed the AC Brotherhood campaign? 14:41, December 27, 2010 60.241.119.247 (Talk)
 * I would suggest posting this on the official forums, we're not a game guide here. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:43, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not asking for a guide. Just one scene because the game broke. If you can't help, thanks anyway.NickTyrong 00:44, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

you cant, so fail for you =D Galaick 14:33, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Serious?!?!?! Ubisoft, that's just NOOB!!! 14:41, December 27, 2010 60.241.119.247 (Talk)


 * First off, please sign your posts. It's utterly confusing to just respond to text with no author. Two, the exact same thing happened in ACII: you could not go back outside the Animus. The only time this didn't happen was in AC. -- A Black Rabbit 21:45, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

lucy's heritage
maybe lucy's ancestors are lucrezia and perotto calderon, and their broken lovechild. she looks a bit like lucrezia, and would be an assassin from perotto side of the family.KaiserC 16:32, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you. I was one of the people with the Al Mualim = Vidic = Rodrigo theory, so this makes a lot of sense to me. Looking at the two side by side and you see a striking similiarity.

...Here is a picture of Lucrezia from real life.



...Here's the AC Lucrezia.



...Here's Lucy.



...Coincidence?

...I think NOT!

...Also, remember "The Cross Darkens the Horizon..." that could be a reference to Lucy being descendants of BOTH Templars and Assassins.

...YES

...Remember, Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted.

PS: Ma fsh shi hakik, kil eshayi mismouh.

PSS: Or as Assassin's Creed's Creative Directors translate INCORRECTLY (I am Arab, know how to speak Arabic)... Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine

PSSS: ...YES

Beirut 00:01, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

O_O Dude. I totally had not thought of that. That is awesome.

And by the way, what does "Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine" literally translate to? 98.192.42.30 02:26, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

At the end of AC2 if any1 had used eagle vision u wud have noticed that lucy has a golden glow.Now if i'm not mistaken doesn't that mean she is a target ?????

CAN SOME1 PLZZZ JUST CHECK UP ON THAT I"M 100% SURE I SAW HER GLOW GOLD!!!!!


 * Just because she had a golden glow at the end of AC2 does not make her an assassination target, just a target. Desmond had to follow her, so it makes sense for her to be gold. Don't shout, and sign your posts. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:20, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks dude i'm AK 47 btw

Are we getting anywhere substantial here because Desmond is also part templar because in AC2 you see the altair had a child with a templar which is one of Desmond's ancestors. Subject Eternal 18:53, January 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * You can't be "part-Templar". The Templars' are an organisation that recruits its members, whereas the Assassins are usually born into the Order. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 19:23, January 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, not everyone is born into the Assassin's Order. If memory serves me correctly, Shaun Hastings tells Desmond himself that he was not originally an Assassin. --AsakuraX

Agreed. Lucy also appears golden at the very start of AC2 when escaping from Abstergo (as do many characters that need to be follwed throughout the series). not necessarily enemies or assassination targets.

On the fact that lucy and lucrezia share an appearance. I doubt that this makes them related (granted it is possible). Consider the generation gap though and the amount of times the gene pool would have been changed and mixed for the possibility of her looking like similar. the same can be said for anyone.. Subject AMDR 21:43, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

i dunno...while in-game in ACB lucretia looks more like rebecca to me...save for the hair color...but the facial features look very similar...arent really any good pictures of rebecca from ACB on the internet though to where it can be seen

Phoenix.E3 06:52, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion when subject 16 said that "she is not who you think she is" he wasn't talking about lucy, he was talking about juno.. minerva was trying to save human kind, juno just trying to take revange from it.. thats why juno and lucy somehow connected.. remember when subject 16 was talking about "the sun, your son"? minerva was talking about "the sun" too.. i think lucy is pregnant to desmond's son.. thats why juno make desmond stab lucy in the stomach.. because juno thinks the sun shouldn't born... thats why she can't be a templar.. and even if desmond didn't born to the templar order, his "great great great great great great great grandmother" was a templar.. so i don't think templars just forget that... 94.121.201.170 11:20, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

I bought the Assassin's Creed Official guide and at page 220 it states "Desmond is a distant son of Adam half-human -though the manifestation are subtle- half god-race.If Subject 16's predictions are true then a descendent of Eve possesses the other half of The First Civilazation DNA sequence. If she and Desmond were to conceive a children, might the offspring represent the rebirth of the First Civilazation?" when you complete all the glyphs in Brotherhood, Sixteen will say something about "the sun, your son", then Juno orders Desmond to stab Lucy maybe to stop this First Civilazation children from being born, implying that she is Eve's descendent.190.31.21.64 15:08, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

1988?
What's the source for the 1988 birthdate? Subject One 04:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure but I'd like to know too, I don't remember in any of the games anyone saying Lucy was born in 1988 or that she was a certain age. I could be wrong on that, though. If she was born in 1988, she'd be 24 in the modern part of the game, and she said she's spent a decade searching POES, so that would mean she has been searching since before she could even drive?! LOL Kaity007 06:11, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

she didn't said she was searching alone.. 94.121.201.170 11:43, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler advertising
I think we should have an Spoiler advertising at the top of this article and not show that picture in which Lucy is stabbed Maki-san 03:47, July 4, 2011 (UTC)Maki-san
 * We had a spoier tag up for at least three months after the game came out, it's not needed anymore. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:54, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but until now Ubisoft treats the AC:B Final like an spoiler... but of course it is just my opinion ^o^ Maki-san 16:33, July 4, 2011 (UTC)Maki-san
 * We're not Ubisoft. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:56, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Trust Issues
I'm having a problem trusting Lucy. While at Monteriggioni she seemed a lot more distant and unfocussed than she had been in either of the prior games, something which William M. seemed to have noticed in their email correspondances as well. After spending 7 years working for the enemy it's quite possible that Lucy may have switched sides, or that she's being influenced by the Templars to betray her comrades.

Juno's comment about her not being what she appears seems to be talking about Lucy, especially since Juno then influences Desmond to attack her. Whether this is due to Juno seeing Lucy as simply a rival to 'Eve' or as a greater threat is something we'll have to wait to find out.

Her disappearance during the Memory 7 sequence is disturbing, especially since the others seem not too bothered with the fact that their leader leaves for several days (based on the weekly itinerary getting emailed to the team she would've been gone in-game between 3 and 5 days) in the middle of a very important time without any mention of where she's going.

Something else which is worrying is that the Eagle Vision can be fooled, not always showing a person's true allegiance. I'm basing this comment off the Thief Assignment Downsizing, where Ezio unwittingly follows a traitorous thief into an ambush with his Eagle Vision showing the thief to be an ally right upto the point where he turns on Ezio.

This could just be me getting paranoid though, since at one point I was convinced that the entire 'assassin hideout' set-up was an elaborate cover for the Templars to convince Desmond to lead them to the Apple.

-SirGeon Jones 21:48, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Your point? -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record
 * Don't trust the traitorous bitch! XD
 * And for that matter, don't trust the others either. William M made a point of telling Desmond not to share the information obtained from daVinci Disappearance with the rest of his team so it looks like the big man mighnt think there's a traitor on the team as well.
 * -SirGeon Jones 17:02, September 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, just going to throw this into the mix, has anyone else noticed Lucy is still using her pen from Abstergo in ACB? DS 121.91.187.235 15:33, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * On a similar note, when Desmond asked her about how she's getting all her intel on Abstergo she told him that a few of her old passwords were still working. Seems a little strange that an organisation which has managed to keep itself hidden from the world for so many centuries would make such an elementary error as not closing down all her access routes into their system.
 * At the very least the information she's acquiring should be suspected as being counter-intelligence.
 * -SirGeon Jones 16:47, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

spoiler for ACR
yeah i started ACR (got it early) and read het article in the encyclpoedia so can i edit the page or should i wait?

Please wait ThibautB or else message wall the admins to ask them. Plus I know what you want to add but ask admins first. -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 20:33, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * No. You cannot add any info from the game or the encyclopedia. Not until 15/11.. --Vatsa ( talk • Gentek ) 20:35, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Lucy and Desmond
minor Revelations spoilers here

The trivia section says that there might be a possibility that Desmond and Lucy have feelings for each other, in Revelations, William M states that Lucy had feelings for Desmond, but when I try to edit the page, it tells me that only some users can edit this page, im just putting it out there so somebody can change this. RomanEagle 18:12, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lucy is not dead and evidences
The reason why Lucy is alive (MY THEORY)

1- The first and the important thing is at the end of Revelations who was driving the truck?? and if you see when The Modern Assassins are going to Rome in AC:Brotherhood Lucy was driving it.

2- I have read in some comments that the team told Desmond that Lucy is dead so he can continue on the main goal.

3- Now why Juno killed Lucy? Now she did like what Al-Mualim did to Altair that he feels that he is dead but he's not now Juno knew that Desmond will go into a coma because of this so that he can meet Jupiter in the nexus of time and know the truth about TWCB and how did the disaster happened and that the piece of eden they have is not Altair's one.

4- Now Ezio told something we don't know to Desmond the same reason as above when he went to the nexus of time.

Now this is my theory and i think that the first one is the most one that makes sense..

Don't say "Evidences" when all you offer is wild theories. Nesty Wanna talk? 13:01, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, lets break down what you said, because some things make sense and some are absolute crap

Referencing point 1: You also seem to forget Shaun was meeting with the assassins and he wasn't in the final scene in Revelations.

2. They wouldn't make Desmond get steered away from the mission, especially if Sixteen knew what happened to her.

3. Ever since Brotherhood ended, I heard this coma theory. Its not true, why would they say she was buried outside of Rome if she was in a coma, if they knew, they would keep her around. And the whole Juno and the sync nexus thing, not possible.

4. We dont know what Ezio said, and Desmond carries a tradition that repeats back to Altair.

Gold Chief 117 8: 33 (EST)

And who was that man?

Please remember to sign your posts. Anyways, I am not sure why you can't tell who this is but it is Shaun Hastings. I hope that answers your question. -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 04:49, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Lucy is dead, period. She is buried outside Rome, she's not coming back as a zombie or whatever. If you want to know why she was killed, do some research on Juno's personality, and you will see that it makes sense why Juno had her killed. And if Lucy had the possibility of being alive, then I'm sure the encyclopedia wouldn't explicitly state she is really dead; seeing as Subject 16's encyclopedia entry leaves the possibility open whether 16 was erased or not, thus I'm sure they would've done a similar thing in Lucy's entry. -- Master Sima Yi 08:21, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe they screwed up everyone's face in this game. Nobody looks the same as they did before, and it's really jarring. So much so that even Shaun isn't recognizable. Even Rebecca's face in the picture above looks different. The hilarious part is that everyone's face change made them look uglier. Every single character looks much uglier than before, even down to poor Shaun. Who approved this? They really couldn't implement their new facial animation system and keep people's faces looking similar to how they did before? Even eyes and noses have changed! I think the only characters that had faces that didn't change were Minerva and Juno! 64.244.149.252 15:05, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

If you haven't noticed, take a look at the pic again. See how bad the quality of it is? Stop being annoying. CryptoKiller 07:26, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

One thing I noticed in Revelations that no one has seemed to say anything about. While at Animus Island there are portions of the game where you can hear Shaun, William M, and Rebecca talking outside the Animus. There is one point in which another voice comes in and says "You're patient is ready for Gene Therapy." Now I don't really know what Gene therapy is so don't think I'm and idiot but could that have to do with Lucy?

Mboy09 23:10, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

You don't think they could be talking about Desmond? When you think about it, the Animus sessions are Gene Therapy. His skills as an Assassin improve with every memory sequence that he replays whether as Altair or Ezio. I know we don't want to believe that Lucy is dead, but she is. Shaun mentioned it in conversation before Desmond was sent to New York. He said something like, "I was at her funeral and I still didn't want to believe that-" or something like that. She was buried in Rome, they had a funeral for her and everything, and maybe they don't want to talk about it because they are in shock and saddened about it. She was their friend too, not just Desmond's. Maybe they don't want Desmond to hear that she's dead and further go into shock? Not everyone talks about someone they know dying right after it happened. You gotta give things like that time. Now, if they were faking it to keep Desmond focused, then they did a good job doing it. But yeah, I think Lucy is done storywise. Strang3Happ3nings 23:29, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

If she's dead then the storyline has got no solid love interests for Desmond anymore and we all know our assassins eventually get it on with someone close by so that we may play the offsprings' memories in the next title. Obviously I doubt you'll get to play any of Desmond's kids, at least until Assassin's Creed 48 "The revenge of the return of the Templars you thought were dead but actually weren't really deaded".

That little tangent aside, and focusing on the structure of the narrative we have been playing since the first game, it would make no sense at all to build up a love interest that much only to take it down in a really confusing manner and only leave a unmemorable second character like Spencer to evoque as to her fate.

It could be a case of "I don't want to believe what I'm seeing" I'm suffering from, but it just seems odd to remove such an interesting character (well aside from Desmond, AC hasnt really built up many memorable characters for the modern period of the game ) from the plot and leave you hanging with it like that. Personally, I do think it would be better off with her dead but I do believe Ubisoft being the obvious sonavabitches they are that they would make it clear regardless (at least when it comes to main storyline). But yeah I fear a Deus Ex moment during the last episode of the main story arch where it's gonna go like that :

-Weird alien leader : " Well done Desmond ! You have saved the world. Is there anything we can do for you before to go back to being all omnipotent while being completely useless at the same time ?"

-Desmond : "Sure, I would love myself some pussy."

-Other ancient alien leader : " You mean that girl we killed just earlier for the lolz and for no apparent reason whatsoever ?"

-Desmond : "Yeah, she'll do . It's not like I would ever get it on with that nerdy asian tech girl. She has already been put in the friend zone by millions of players so it's got to be the girl modelled after the hot actress really. Plus nerdy is so uncompatible with the assassins' de facto's coolness".

-Alien leaders : " Well okay it's done. Tada."

-Desmond : "Thanks guys, I'm sure that somewhere along that fantastic last adventure we just had now that there's got to be some kind of obscure, silly plot device out of which you could plan a whole bunch of cryptic nonsense and a gazillion games to make out of it. Toodles, I'm off to make more protagonists. See ya in a few centuries where I will appear in a couple of cut scenes just to make gamers who have been playing since AC1 go all 'OMGOMGOMG!!!'...".

Aliens: "Shut up dude."

And so will I as well. Guess we'll all find out by the 21st of next year =) Bye 'til then !

Somebodyjustgotshot - 23:25, December 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, in relation to this, and a couple notes as has been made above. Yes, Shaun is in the truck at the end of Revelations. It's him, Rebecca and Bill. Now, this doesn't mean that it's LUCY driving the truck, but it IS possible. Secondly, we don't actually SEE Lucy as a dead body. Being stabbed where she was is certainly painful, and potentially dangerous. But it is not instantly fatal. And as for the funeral, they mention 'her' and 'she'...but it doesn't out and out say it's Lucy that's buried. The only one that does say something like that is Subject 16, who says something to the effect of waking up to attend her funeral. But he's inside the machine, so his connection to the real world is somewhat slim, I would say. Note that this doesn't mean that I think that Lucy by necessity is alive...just that we don't have total proof that she is. I'm probably 99% convinced she is...but still, there is no absolute proof, just VERY strong circumstancial, as CSI would say. :) 85.230.45.31 14:57, January 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm still waiting for them to reveal that she was a Templar agent all along, and that so are Shaun, Rebecca and Bill. In fact the whole Animus project has been a fake out right from the beginning so that the Templars can get their hands on the cake.
 * - SirGeon Jones 01:05, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * The cake is a lie! -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 02:32, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sleeper Agent or Mole?
I'm sure the majority of us have played or read about the events in Revelations. If not, don't read this blog. SPOILER ALERT

It's been confirmed that Lucy is dead, even though they could be hiding something from Desmond (and us; personally, I think they're being too vague with her funeral and death and everything) but I'm still confused about one thing: was she really an Assassin or a mole for Abstergo? There were a few thousand blogs based on theories everyone has had about her being a traitor. Someone else on here asked if she was a sleeper agent, but it couldn't be revealed if she was or not. So! Now that the game is done, was she a bad guy or a good guy? Strang3Happ3nings 02:23, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

The leaked DLC confrms that she was a turned agent, was responsible for 16 being unable to escape (as she was his way out) and working for the Templars. -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 05:42, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Ah. I see...That's messed up. So she drove Subject 16 to suicide? And changed sides? Wow. Kinda like that whole "I'll take sides with whoever's winning" kinda thing, I guess. And everyone liked Lucy as a character a lot.....You never know. Strang3Happ3nings 06:03, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Where do her loyalities lie
Hello everyone. Recently, after browsing some to uncover a bit of informatio about Lucy, I've come across a few comments that said that Kristen didn't want to pull off the rest of the series(which happened to be AC:R and AC3) and thusly, it changed Lucy's fate and maybe even background and affilation.

Some of you might have heard of the audio file in the PC version of the AC:R disc that confirmed(to a point) many speculations about Lucy's background as well as the thoughts of a possible DLC coming up for AC:R Single player.

I will not put much information about the possible DLC audio here, as I have not heard it myself, just read what was said in it. You an google it youself, if you want.

Spoilers!!!!!(WARNING!):

Lucy is said to be an Assassin turned Templar, she worked for Vidic all along and planned everything with him, incl. the breakout and all. It turns out that she was(I am not sure, once again, Ive just read what was said, not heard the original file) on the templar side all along. Thing is, was she capruted by abstergo or was she doing all this willingly? "Brainwash" is possible, no? Think another Daniel Cross case.

Vidic made her gain Desmond's trust; and as she did, were her "feelings" for Des true or not? Were they faked, in order to gain information and stuff, or did she actually develop feelings for him? If so, it could be that she was balancing between two scales, not knowing where her loyalities lie anymore.

What do you think guys? Lucy= templar or double agent? Nothing has been confirmed yet, but its 99% either one of these two. My hopes for all the Lucy-a-templar-discussions being false have been smashed and crashed, so I m not the happiest person about this. But I still love the game, the way they pull it off and so on.

With her being a templar, it makes sense with everything Juno and Sub 16 said in the messeges given to Des. such as "She is not who you think she is. Everything you hope to become, everything you hold dear. Its already gone!" and "The cross darkens the horizon"(as in Lucy being in the way of Des finding the potential Eve).

So the question is; if this is true, if she was a templar, then why? Was it meant to be from the beginning, or did Kristen sign off the voice acting for AC which lead to the downfall of "good Lucy story" and turned her into the bad guy?

P.S. Yes I dislike Lucy dying, being the bad guy and betraying her own people. With that said, I can now move on.

95.209.85.63 21:43, February 15, 2012 (UTC)