Talk:Ratonhnhaké:ton

The Wedding
Conner never talk to with Lyle White and Lance O'Donnell after the wedding at all because I look for vidoe of this and find nothing.Tyraj (talk) 17:37, January 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * He did, it was one of the interactive conversations. Nesty  Contact me! 17:37, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Connor Meeting Aveline
How come we can't play as Connor on the 360/PS3 for his New York misson with Aveline? I mean, we can play it from his point of view on the Vita, so shouldn't it be the same for the major consoles?  TranquilTempest Qu'est-ce que c'est? 08:34, January 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * No? It's likely between Sequences 8 and 9, or 9 and 10. 15:53, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, that doesn't happen.  I've played through the game twice now, and she's seen the walkthroughs.  Supreme Master Assassin O Mentoras 15:59, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid that's a mystery I've been trying to solve for the longest time... and well... it has no answer, other than to say "We're Ubisoft. We do things like that."  Supreme Master Assassin O Mentoras 15:59, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I mean that the memory in Liberation is likely between two memory sequences in III, and is therefore irrelevant to the plot...

PS: Please don't move my messages; I was replying to Tranquil, not you. 16:06, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Well you weren't being specific so I was forced to improvise.  Supreme Master Assassin O Mentoras 16:20, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Race
Shouldn't Connor's race read Native-american/ European America. After all although he grew up native american he is in fact half of each race.

70.197.165.163 15:15, February 2, 2013 (UTC})

He's Half Mohawk, Half English. Haytham was English and Ziio was Mohawk. Not much else to it to be honest. 15:39, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * He and Kaniehtí:io is half Mohawk and Half English, NOT their whole race. Although if his race were half English, there are no sources to confirm it as much as I know. I'll ask Sima. Altaïr Skywalker 47   Pigeon Coop  10:23, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * The fact that he is Haytham's son is confirmation enough. Haytham is described as being English, so his son's race is Native-American/English. -- 11:08, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Romantic life
Could everybody pleasce stop editing out the Romantic life part because we have  Romantic life for all the other charater on here like his father,ezio, and altair and so on as example.Tyraj (talk) 00:00, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

While it is true that the other protagonists have romantic life sections, Connor's is not needed because it would just be a long paragraph basically stating that he doesn't have one. So, no, it will be removed. -- NOSTALGIA TALK 01:59, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * While Connor didn't have a partner during the events of AC3 and TOKW, I think we should still note how he played matchmaker in lieu of having a girlfriend, and that an apprentice and a friend found him attractive. Really, the only reason I want a section because I find "Norris is trying to-- court... a woman. What do-- you-- women, like... in terms of gifts," a really funny quote header. --Alientraveller (talk) 21:45, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Alternate timeline
Ratonhnhaké:ton's experiences in TOKY should be in the main biography section, not an entirely new one, all of the other characters involved would be because they show no evidence of recalling the events of the main timeline or somehow crossing over the way he did, whereas this is the mainstream Connor in an alternate world in a canon storyline. everything else I've seen with stories like this include it in the main biography unless it's specifically non canon. For example you see it on magneto's page on both his wikipedia and marvel wiki pages, the events of House of M are part of his main biography despite being set in an alternate world.Gboy4 (talk) 14:24, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * No. This isn't wikipedia or marvel wiki. We have our own Manual of Style. Abide by it or don't edit at all, else you'll do nothing but be disruptive. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  15:02, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * what manual of style?--Gboy4 (talk) 15:10, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, found it.--Gboy4 (talk) 15:20, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia handles no set Manual of Style for this sort of occurence, and more characters than just Magneto are part multiple timelines in the Marvel Comics, it would be too messy to list all alternate realities on them otherwise. Connor retaining his consciousness from the main canon bears no relevance on this being part of his biography or not; none of this actually happened in the main canon, so it does not belong among the other things that he did do in the main canon. Additionally we do not know when exactly Connor and Washington had that encounter with the Apple and ended up in this alternate reality, and where it would fit in the biography. Just making a subsection in the biography immediately jumping into the alternate reality without explaining how Connor got there serves no place among canon info, and that is not comparable to Magneto's involvement in House of M. -- 15:21, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * No relevance? he's still personally experiencing it even if no other character is, the story has been stated to be Canon meaning that one way or another it did happen in the main canon as it is still something the mainstream Connor experienced and we know that it happened after the revolution and after Connor killed Charles Lee from what he says. Your point would be true for all of the characters except for Connor.--Gboy4 (talk) 15:37, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ubisoft stating the story to be canon in no way means that it happened in the main canon in one way or another. The canon aspect of this alternate timeline is that Connor is experiencing it in the real world, not doing it in the real world. You're just repeating what you said in your first message. In further regards to your remark about the House of M, in that story the characters were physically warped to a new reality (if I recall correctly), not just made to experience it in some dream-like sequence. There is no indication that this DLC takes place after Connor killed Charles Lee and after the revolution has ended, though his remark "I know who my father was" implies that Haytham was already dead. As shown at the start of the DLC, Connor had not shaved his hair like he did before he went to confront Charles Lee, and Washington was still wearing his military uniform. Haytham died in late 1781, which is the same year that was put in the Glyph with Washington holding the Apple. The most logical option would be that the encounter between Connor and Washington with the Apple occured in late 1781 or early to mid 1782, in between Sequence 10 and 11. -- 16:03, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * There is actually, I can't remember what they're called exactly but there are three memory points in the episode that show an image of connor's past, so far. Have found two of them and one of them is of Connor killing Charles. And can you please explain to me how the story being canon doesn't mean it happened in the main canon? And Connor is doing it, whether that means he's doing it in a dream or in another world.--Gboy4 (talk) 16:29, February 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Once you get the three lucid memories in the Infamy, you can watch a short clip where Washington is riding to locate Connor. In this scene, Connor is uninjured, but it is not clear as to the exact time. For the time being, seeing we cannot ascertain the exact means of how he comes to be in the alternate timeline, it is much more convenient to keep it seperated until we know. Slate Vesper (talk) 16:36, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok you've convinced me, I'll drop it for now.--Gboy4 (talk) 16:53, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the DLC is canon. However, it being canon does not mean it happens in the same timeline as the events of ACIII. Therefore, we can hardly just put a section in the midst of all the main timeline information in which an ally is suddenly an enemy. It would be too confusing for the people who come to the wiki for information - it would probably even be too confusing for many of our editors. By having a section named "Alternate Timeline" we don't say that the events didn't actually happen. We only say that they happened in a different timeline - which is undeniably true (otherwise Kaniehtí:io could not possibly be alive). Me, Sima, and several others have conferred over it on the IRC and decided it stays the way it is. Nesty Contact me! 16:38, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

aternate time
If you don't mind me asking but shouldn't the alternate time not be on Ratonhnhake:ton page because this is noncant I mean the plot to the The Tyranny of King Washington epiosdes are on that page well The you know Tyranny of King Washington page mean  if people went to read about it they just go to that page I'm just saying.Tyraj (talk) 08:46, February 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * This has already been discussed right above your message. -- 16:59, February 24, 2013 (UTC)

Birthdate
but when is connor really born? on some sites it's states 1755, on some it's stated 1756 ..?


 * Desmond was still reliving the memories in July 1755, during the Braddock Expedition, indicating that the child was not yet conceived at that point. Connor was conceived soon after, and because pregnancy takes around nine months it is impossible for Connor to have been born in 1755. Kanen'tó:kon's database entry also says that he was of the same age as Connor, and his birth date was listed as 1756. So Connor was born in 1756, not 1755.. -- 16:59, February 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * That being said, I find it very hard to believe that he was only 4 years old when we first see him and 14 when he leaves the village. Based on appearance, I'd guess around 11 and 19 respectively? 83.177.191.12 07:50, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Appearances can be misleading. Just consider Claudia, Petruccio and Duccio in ACII... not to even mention IRL. Sadelyrate (siniath) 08:19, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Connor vs Ratonhnhaké:ton
When would one use "Connor" vs. "Ratonhnhaké:ton"? I thought that the decision was made to have him as Ratonhnhaké:ton. 2myname1 (talk) 06:40, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

When he adopts the name, he can be referred to Connor from thereon. That point is where Ratonhnhaké:ton and Achilles travel to Boston and Achilles gives him the name Connor to fit in around the town. Slate Vesper (talk) 08:12, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

What about the bottom sections, the ones about his skills and personality? Should that be Connor or Ratonhnhaké:ton? I would personally prefer Ratonhnhaké:ton, but I'm just curious. -- 16:46, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Quote
May I change the quote to this...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: Our right to Freedom, our land, and our way of life. We will die for what we believe in; we cannot be stopped.﻿ We will never back now, because a life without freedom is not a life worth living. Give us liberty or give us death."

Awesomekid120 (talk) 18:16, April 3, 2013 (UTC)Awesomekid1204


 * When does Connor say this? -- 18:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * It was in a trailer, but I can't remember which one. But it sounds too 'Murican, I prefer the one we have now. -- 18:40, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

I searched for it, and here it is. -- 18:49, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, that one... Yeah, I agree with Crimson. -- 20:04, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Is this the End?
Someone knows what's going to happen to Connor? Or Ubisoft's going to stop his story and just focus in Edward? AnimusHack (talk) 20:31, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Such discussion is more relevant to our community forums on the home page than here, but in any event, we'll probably learn who Connor settled with and when he died in future media. --Alientraveller (talk) 20:35, April 25, 2013 (UTC)

we should add the surname Kenway because Ubisoft confirmed that Connor adopted his father surname

Andotrota


 * Do you have a source? And sign your posts, please. -- 16:49, May 18, 2013 (UTC)

Connor's Descendants
Is it ever confirmed in any type of media that William Miles is Connor's descendant and not Desmond's mother? Sometime in the game, Desmond tells his dad that he (William) can look through Connor's memories himself, but Desmond doesn't even know if that's for certain, he just assumes they're related. TranquilTempest Bonjour 02:43, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * William is Ratonhnhaké:ton's descendant. AC3 and AC4 confirm (and will confirm) this. -- 08:50, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not think so, can you provide a source that ACIII confirms this? I'm not telling that ACIV will not confirm it. Altaïr Skywalker 47   Pigeon Coop  10:17, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * To quote Desmond in AC3: "Hey, he was your ancestor too. Why don't you hop in the Animus?!". -- 11:11, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Might've been just a wild guess on Desmond's part. Granted, William doesn't deny it. Still, we might wish to wait for something a bit more definitive than that before we set it in stone. :) Sadelyrate (siniath) 14:02, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've noticed people here saying we can't be sure because Desmond "might have been guessing". There is nothing to say Desmond doesn't know about his relation to Connor, so we should be assuming it's a "wild guess on [his] part." Basically, Desmond said "he was your ancestor too" so as far as canon is concerned, Desmond is related to Connor through his father. -- 16:12, June 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * While the writers put that line in for a reason, would it be canon too if Desmond said his father was a potato? It is highly likely that William is descended from the Kenways, but there is nothing to imply that Desmond could have known, from an in-universe point of view. Desmond had no prior knowledge of his ancestors. He did not know anything about Haytham and only just expressed his shock at Haytham's reveal as a Templar, and then all of a sudden knows that Haytham is William's ancestor? It does not add up. While we can all know that William is a Kenway descendant, saying it is 100% confirmed would be the same as saying that Desmond's son exists. -- 16:22, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't see how any of those comparisons you've made make sense. Firstly, we know William is not a potato because, well, he's human; we see that in-game. If Desmond were to call him such it would clearly be wrong, because it's, well, obvious. With regards to his not knowing of his ancestry, just because he was unaware of his links to the Auditores' or Ibn-La'Ahads' doesn't mean he was unaware of the Kenways' (you're making an assumption). Also, there is a difference between knowing who your ancestors are, and what they do. Desmond could well have known who his ancestor, Connor, was without knowing he was also a member of the Assassins.


 * So my point remains; Desmond clearly said that his father was also an ancestor of the Kenways', and as such we have to take that as canon. (Whether he turns out in future media to be correct or not, is currently besides the point.) Making assumptions that Desmond is ignorant of his lineage, or that his father is somehow related to a potato is ridiculous. -- 09:01, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Similarly, you're making an assumption that what Desmond says, while agitated, is fact. Both stances are currently just as valid. Sadelyrate (siniath) 09:38, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * I am making no such assumption, Desmond clearly says ""Hey, he was your ancestor too." Whether he was agitated, annoyed, or whatever else is besides the point. Until a media comes out explicitly contradicting that statement, William is for all intent and purposes a descendant of Connor. Whether I personally think that to be true or not is besides the point. -- 10:15, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * You are taking my example out of context, and ignoring the in-universe stance to be completely in favor of the out-of-universe one. Then by all means, make an article on 'Desmond Miles' son', because Subject 16 explicitly mentioned him. His state of mind would be irrelevant as well then. Also, Desmond was unaware of the Kenways, as he relied on Shaun to provide additional information on them. Nothing even remotely implies that Desmond had knowledge of the Kenways. -- 12:28, June 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Except for the fact that we know Desmond does not have a son since he died before he had the chance to produce one, (certainly not one that we are made aware of), and the ramblings of a gibbering computer programme and not to be completely trusted. I don't see how Desmond saying "he is your ancestor too" can be taken as being OOU. It's a simple statement that, without any contradictory evidence, has to be taken as canon. Whether Desmond was, or was not aware of any of his ancestors does not change the fact he said that. You need to stop making excuses for him and accept that William is related to the Kenways. -- 14:18, June 25, 2013 (UTC)