Talk:Ratonhnhaké:ton/Archive 2

Relation to Desmond
Does Anyone know how he is related to desmond (mother or Father) JB12398 02:36, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think anyone knows yet. IlMualim 06:37, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess we'll have to wait. Well he's related to Desmond Ancestor-wise! TA-DA!!!

--Kenway 20:04, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Rename to Ratohnhaké:ton?
I suggest renaming to full name, which is Ratohnhaké:ton and make Connor dedirect here. However, I suppose colon may be unacceptable in article names, but I don't know. Xeoxer 11:28, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, his real name should be the name of the page with Connor as redirect. XV DEaD ShOT xV 23:34, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Can we wait until we see what name Connor preferred? I know we're all impatient until October 30 but still... --Alientraveller 23:38, March 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * We're about to gain new jokes about ACIII. Connor's name pronounciation: Ra-ton-ha- gay -too... --BB94


 * Can we see the source for the last name "Kenway"? Just curious.
 * never mind found it.


 * How is his last name Menway


 * His preferred name is Connor, considering it states that that is what he and others call himself. But I agree, we should probably wait for more information. If we put Ratohnhaké:ton, it could confuse new people on whether he's Connor or Ratohnhaké:ton. Hjgduyhwsgah1 08:42, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Even if he prefers Connor, we should still rename to Ratohnhaké:ton. For example, Al Mualim is much more recognisable by this, and we still renamed to Rashid ad-din Sinan. Moreover, it was confirmed in trailer that Ratohnhaké:ton is his birth name. Xeoxer 09:32, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * The difference with that is that both Ratonhnhaké:ton and Connor Kenway are names, while Al Mualim is a title, not a name (Arabic for "The Mentor"). -- Master Sima Yi 09:33, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Plus, for the ease of use for people on the wiki, it should be kept as Connor. You have to agree that it's easier to type into the search bar than Ratohnhaké:ton. Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  12:59, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * We should put his name as Ratonhnhake:ton "Connor" Kenway. Then if anybody searches Connor Kenway we redirect it to the page. Technically Connor is more of a nickname than anything else. I have to agree with Xeoxer on this... Try it out, see if it works!
 * --Kenway 19:40, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, Connor Kenway is more recognizable, and easier to type into the search bar. Slate Vesper 19:44, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * we can do this: Connor Kenway aka Ratohnhaké:ton or Ratohnhaké:ton aka Connor Kenway. ACsenior 07:44, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * "Connor Kenway" makes more sense. The Leaping Eagle 08:46, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * His name is NOT Ratonhnhaké:ton Kenway. His full birth name is Ratonhnhaké:ton, and the western name he took up in later life is Connor Kenway. Connor Kenway is more easily recognizable, easier to type in the search bar, and also allows for better categorization. -- 09:14, July 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Connor Kenway is an alias rather than a nickname, and there is a reason he chose to use it over his birthname, its a lot easier for westerners to write, pronounce and memorise. I feel that this applies equally to the wiki. Aegritudo 17:30, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

what is the meaning of Ratohnhaké:ton?
what is the meaning of Ratohnhaké:ton?

Meaning of name

Ratohnhake:ton translates from mohawk (loosely) into "He hunts them" or "He hunts it", sometimes it's good to know native languages! Algonquin Native 04:23, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

so nothing to do with eagles or birds then, thats a change.78.144.179.253 22:09, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I still have a feeling that he'll receive a different name or something that will be involved with eagles or birds. JumpInTheFire13 03:53, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Going from the translations from Mohawk, it's likely his name means "He who hunts."

Considering the new change to the mechanics of the series, I think it's pretty apt. Slate Vesper 03:58, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

also connor is irish for wolf kin, so both his names have some predatory acspect to them Algonquin Native 00:25, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Connor also means "Lover of wolves" just so u know

--Kenway 19:49, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Voice Casting
Messing around on Wikipedia, on their Assassin's Creed 3 page, it has a thing about casting, Bill Rogers playing Connor appearently. I just wanted to know if this should be on the page or not? Muthaphukkin Jake 05:41, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

I don't think so because Wikipedia and even IMDb has proven in the past to be an unreliable source. I have looked at the actors website and nowhere on it does it say anything about AC3. We will probably know more in the coming days though. -- ► Kaloneous ◄♣HelpDesk♣ 05:48, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry to reserect this conversation, but this video should set things: Bill Rogers in Assassin's Creed 3? - 24.36.109.251 19:30, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Equipment
Since I'm not authorized to edit I'm putting this here. I think there should be info about his weapons and robes on the article, like the tomahawk, the bow, the guns, maybe his Native American-looking necklace (Maybe it is a gift from his mother or something, but since we don't know anything, it probably shouldn't be in the article yet.), and I think that the "secondary" color of his robes is blue, unlike red in previous games. BRX 19:24, March 8, 2012 (UTC)BRX

I just realized that Ratohnkake:ton has not one but TWO pistols. Correct me if I am wrong.

Could this mean the possibility of dual weilding TWO pistol, Texas sharp shooter style?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Weird but very appealling.

@Arabian411269

Where did my images go?! (Arabian411269 17:14, March 9, 2012 (UTC))

They were most likely taken from the trailer? In that case: images from the trailer will be deleted on sight, because they will be redundant when the game comes out, causing the admins a lot of catching-up on their deletion. They would then have to seek all the trailer images out, etc. Hoep this helps. Nesty Contact me! 17:17, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

Oh, well at least holla.

Not to sound disrespectful but isn't this a talk page? There should be more freedom here than on the official articles, plus the game doesn't come out till like seven months from now. Again, no disrespect. (Arabian411269 17:23, March 9, 2012 (UTC))

It's not about the page. The images you upload are on the wiki, from where they need to be deleted. We can't allow them to be uploaded to only talk-pages, for it would result in the same problem. They were on the wiki, thus they were deleted. Nesty Contact me! 07:04, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

connor can duel wield his pistols with other weapons such as his tomahawk,but he can't just use both pistols.they're only one shots anyway.but he can use them both with another weapon,giving him two shots in a fight.Assassin of 81 22:31, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Image Gallery
I think Connor should had his own Image Gallery like Desmond, Altair, and Ezio's instead of the Gallery in the Connor Article. --Cococrash11 05:52, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

he will once he has more images. Nesty Contact me! 06:46, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

What about all the Image Gallery in Assassin's Creed III Article? I mean every image about Connor can be in this Article's Image gallery. --Cococrash11 07:31, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Connor Kenway Trivia Suggestions
It should be noted as trivial that Connor is the only ancestor that doesn't have a scar on his lip.

IlFALCONE.OFAWESHUMNNESS 04:19, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

True (Arabian411269 04:21, March 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Aquilus doesn't have on either. -- Master Sima Yi 21:19, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Does bill miles have a scar?99.3.95.90 05:17, April 3, 2012 (UTC) TravisG,,


 * Bill Miles has no scar, nope. -- Master Sima Yi 05:53, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, Connor does have the scar, as well as others it seems. The links and images shown on this OF forum post seem to prove it. He has scars on his cheek and his lip. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 11:19, April 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can see three little scars on his left cheeck and cheeckbone, and one on his right cheekbone. None on his lip though. -- Master Sima Yi 06:54, April 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * It is because, unlike the other Assassins, Connor remembers to take his hidden blade off before he picks his nose. http://9gag.com/gag/2995671 :) Eggy2504 16:20, May 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Eggy, that joke is old. VG Cats beat 9gag to it. Besides, why would an Assassin even be talking to Navi? Master Decoder 06:04, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I wonder if it should be noted as triva that Connor was one of the only Assassins to be able to commandeer a ship...  Supreme Master Assassin IL Mentori 17:03, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Equipment and trivia
Why is there no Equipment and trivia sections i think they should be included as we do know enough info to fill the sections. Cl1ntz 17:54, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Because the page isn't complete yet. -- Master Sima Yi 21:19, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * And because even though there are leaks THE GAME HASEN'T COME OUT YET!!!
 * --Kenway 19:51, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Affiliations
Shouldn't his native tribe (the Mohawks I think) be in his affiliations?

JFeather 21:09, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. -- Master Sima Yi 21:19, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK then, I'll just add it... JFeather 21:28, March 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * And shouldn`t Loyalists be in affiliations since he not on eider side and only youses them(Loyalists and Patriots) to get to the Templars?ACsenior 11:26, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Connor has affliations with the Continental Army since he encounters George Washington and comes into good relations with him. No mention of any positive contact with the British Army has been established, so he doesn't need Loyalists on his affliations. Slate Vesper 15:06, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, he needs it becuse the game is not Loyalists vs Patriots. And the Devs have sad that asvell.ACsenior 15:35, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Just because the game isn't one-sided, it doesn't mean Connor needs to be affliated with the Loyalists. Slate Vesper 15:49, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

since the game is not one-sided connor is going to have some positive contact whit loyalists when he is hunting a patriotic templar even if we have pics or not. ACsenior 19:03, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

As Slate said, that can't be assumed (even if it's likely). Connor might just be neutral with the British army - not against them specifically, but not affiliated with them either. As soon as evidence of positive relations comes up, add it. =GuardDog 22:38, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Wolf
Where does it say that Connor resemblance is like a wolf? --Cococrash11 04:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

The name Connor is Irish and it means "Wolf Kin." Water demigod 17:42, March 17, 2012 (UTC)Water demigod

where can I see the reference to the name meaning? My bother has the Conner variation, and I have only seen that it means "Wise" and is celtic in origin --CLARKMASTER! 18:30, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Here :D -- Odranoelluta Talk  18:33, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Balls man, I wish they at least kept the eagle name theme. I mean even the modernish soviet russian assassin had one! Rotionpotion 09:41, April 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * He might be able to control or communicate to wolves - "Wolf Kin" as in related to or to have similar characteristics of a wolf? -- NoCount 00:39, April 07, 2012 (EST)
 * Erm, no. This isn't A Song of Ice and Fire; there's no skin changers here. -- 14:46, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * i think it's a nice change.connor means "lover of hounds" in gaelic,and kenway is "brave royal fighter".and he's likened to a wolf because of how he stalks his prey.and is arguably the stealthiest assassin i the franchiseAssassin of 81 22:31, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Personality
Is conner the type of assassin that likes to mix around with people like Ezio or more like an expressionless killing machine who strikes without mercy, like Altair?

We'll come to know within a few months, patience man. Also sign your posts with 4 of these ~.IlMualim 07:31, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

I heard a leak that says he's more of a man of action, not as chatty as Ezio, but he has a heart, unlike Altair. He also fights for justice, not personal revenge, like both of them.

--Kenway 19:54, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think Ezio was more of a smooth person, business like.

Artwork
I understand that Connor shouldn't have too many pictures since there will be new and better one but shouldn't it feature Connor's Backside Artwork? It is an artwork not like the other pictures about Connor's gameplay. --Cococrash11 05:53, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia
In the trivia part it say's his sash is shown as blue in the reveal trailer and in-game photos, 1. you can't see his sash in the reveal trailer and 2. the only two in-game screens showing his sash (the one were he's running with his tomahawk and the other one where he's tomahawking a red coat and shooting) clearly show that it's red, i find no evidence of it being blue, other then his jacket has blue in the interior, so can someone delete that from the trivia L&#39;kimu 09:07, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

You can see his sash in the reveal trailer, when he walks up to the edge of the cliff. It's blue there and in most of the GI magazine images we have so far. But it is red in most of the concept art and also in the new trailer that showcases his weapons. We'll have to wait for the game to know what color it actually is, or whether it can be dyed different colors, explaining the inconsistency.

Gabriel Auditore 10:47, March 29, 2012 (UTC)

Connor's New skills and equipment
"We have a lot of new stealth features which are a lot of fun. You can now take cover against walls, and Connor will automatically adjust to hide when a guard approaches, which also leads into a new assassination move from cover. We also added the ability for Connor to hide in tall grass or bushes: if you walk through these areas he will automatically crouch allowing you to move undetected when approaching enemies. And if you’re in a city and you see any group of people in the crowd performing an action like painting a house or cleaning, if you approach slowly Connor will begin mimicking their actionsto hide amongst them."

"Finally, of course the hidden blades are back and we’ve made some style changes so he can actually spin one of them in his hand and use it as a knife, but it’s the key to silent kills." Reference is here.

I didn't add these myself because it says the page is locked or something...

Gabriel Auditore 12:09, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm
Desmond's main ancestors have scars on their lips but Connor doesn't? maybe soon in the game, he might get one, either by a rock or a blade. Jackalex13 06:48, April 3, 2012 (UTC)Jackalex13


 * Or, he might not get one at all. We'll have to wait and see. Master Decoder 07:47, April 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Aquilus has no scar either. And seeing as Connor is completely disregarding that eagle pattern as well, he may do the same for the scar. :P -- Master Sima Yi 07:54, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Birth date
http://www.oxm.co.uk/40304/interviews/assassins-creed-3-the-most-rpg-like-assassins-creed-so-far/

this video clearly shows connor's birth date around 1:00 so i guess it should be added to his page. Georgesamo 16:05, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's a mistake because in the Connor trailer pause at 0:10 it only shows the date he joined the Assassins not his birth date.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLCB7qViI3M&feature=g-vrec&context=G2340763RVAAAAAAAAAQ Assassin75ibn 20:16, April 4, 2012 (UTC)Assassin75ibn

Umm, who added the birth date as 1755? The Game Informer information that we have clearly states that AC3 is set from 1753-1783. Unless you're trying to suggest the game begins before Connor is born, I don't think that's his birth year.

Gabriel Auditore 15:02, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Check the reference. -- Master Sima Yi 15:05, April 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I compared the two videos, and I think that Connor being born in 1755 is a possibility, because honestly, if the game is set from 1753-1783, and Connor only joins the Assassin Order in 1770, thats 17 years of time that Connor would be doing nothing particularly of note. That, and the fact it was aired during an interview with the Creative Director of the game, make it sound pretty plausible. As for how you can set the game in 1753-55, it could show his birth, similar to Ezio's? Also, Alex Hutchinson specifically stated that we would start playing as Connor when he's "really, really young."SpartanCrow 23:53, April 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * As Sima mentioned to me before regarding Connor's birth date edit to his article, I think should wait until the hype dies down because Sima stated we are seeing two sources saying he was born in 1755 but that the game starts in 1753. The game can't simply start in 1753 but have Connor born two years later, I mean... what are we as players going to be doing for two whole sequences in Connor's time if that were the case? I think Ubisoft may need to recheck the years in which the game spans from and too...  Supreme Master Assassin IL Mentori 16:58, June 6, 2012 (UTC)

Kenway?
Kenway? Where the hell did that come from?

It's his last name. Don't forget to sign your posts. Master Decoder 08:21, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

kenway means "brave royal fighters" and is connor's english last nameAssassin of 81 22:31, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Assassin's Hood
Is it just me or is Connor's Assassin outfit look more grey that white? Altair and Ezio's main outfits where white and you could tell it was! Obviously I'm not including Ezio's Master or Traveling outfits. Since Altair and Ezio are more connected to eagles, wouldnt it make since that the wolf-like Connor have a grey (as in grey wolf) outfit? Thoughts? --CLARKMASTER! 16:53, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Giovanni Auditore's robes (later Ezio's during AC2) were off-white, bordering on grey. Slate Vesper 16:59, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

His robes are very light beige, if not just dirty white. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  17:36, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Possibly deer-skin? Light for movement but thick enough for heat. (Arabian411269 17:04, July 7, 2012 (UTC))

His hood is bigger than his predecessors, and has an eagle design on it, so that's new... 8D

--Kenway 19:58, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Altair's hood circled his head like a scarf and was more more like a coif, suiting his time period. It was also much more concealing than Ezio's but at the same time would have allowed for less vision. Ezio's hoods throughout all his games alwas went under the outside of his collar/hank/scarf (whatever that thing in REV was). More air to breath, more side vision, but less concealing. Connor's hood has much more crown space (does it mean he'll be like Einstien? hmmm...). The also, like Ezio goes under the collar BUT seems to be made of a much softer, less rigid material. Connor's hood curves in on his face more than Ezio's did implying that its made of softer material. This is strange for two reasons, 1 Connor lives in a colder region than Ezio, 2 Connor covering his face is less likely to be considered suspicious than Ezio.

I know I just wrote an essay on hood analysis so this means I need to get a life. (Arabian411269 16:52, July 7, 2012 (UTC))

Image?
This pic is from the E3 Gameplay Video. I don't know if anybody wants to add it to the page, but its the first picture of Connor without a hood on. RomanEagle 13:31, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * We will have better quality images of Connor once the game has been released. So, no. We won't be adding any images from the trailers or demos.. -- 14:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Personality and Characteristics
Hi, everyone, after seeing the gameplay demo of Connor in the Frontier it can be noted that Connor is very direct and aggressive. I can suuport this by quoting Connor and the Patriot. "Let the Pariots fight their own battles. I'm here for the Templar" -Connor Kenway

"To the point as always." Patriot. Should it be added? I mean Ubisoft even stated that Connor was more aggressive...  Supreme Master Assassin IL Mentori 00:09, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Don't really see how that is remotely "aggressive". He didn't go all Technoviking on the guy. I can agree with the direct part though. As for Ubi saying he's more aggressive - probably meant combat style. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  00:16, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

By aggressive I was referring to combat style.  Supreme Master Assassin IL Mentori 00:21, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Should've clarified. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  00:24, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought it was obvious enough  Supreme Master Assassin IL Mentori 00:27, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * His combat style might be more aggresive but it seems he is between Altair and Ezio personality-wise. He's as secretive and cold as Altair but seems to be abit more sociable with other like Ezio. Altair (according to AC1, the portable games made him a different person entirely) had NO outside contacts other than other assassins, his circles were very closed. Ezio was a man of the people. He had a guy for everything and evidently he was very famous for his actions outside of Italy. Connor seems to be in between as he knows ranks of Patriots and even George Washington personally. (Arabian411269 16:59, July 7, 2012 (UTC))


 * Not when you say "direct and aggressive" and then throw in a quote right afterwards, and make no mention of fighting style anywhere. Common sense would dictate you mean both in context of his way of interacting with the other guy. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  01:24, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Image
The image on Connor's profile page is small compared to Altair or Ezio's. I have a bigger version, should I upload it? FirestarLuva 21:03, June 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's rendered properly, I don't see why not. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  21:51, June 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * It is, it's the same size as Ezio's picture only, part of the tomahawk is cut out so it can be the same width, if that's okay with you. :) FirestarLuva 22:29, June 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * There's no need to cut out part of the render, the image will be auto resized anyway. --Kainzorus Prime Walkie-talkie  22:33, June 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Only aspect that matters is the image size is supposed to be above 250px for better visibility. Anything below won't look good with the infobox since the default size we use is 250px. Also, I wouldn't call 563×818px image high res when compared to the current image.. -- 02:54, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Spelling of Native American name
Connor's Native American name is misspelt, 'Ratonhnhaké:ton' is incorrect, it's spelt 'Ratohnhaké:ton' --ACisamazing 13:12, June 17, 2012 (UTC)ACisamazing
 * Ubisoft says otherwise... -- 13:26, June 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * No they don't, telling from this video I'm pretty sure they decided how the name is spelt www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLCB7qViI3M it is 'Ratohnhaké:ton' --ACisamazing 13:46, June 17, 2012 (UTC)ACisamazing


 * It is definately 'Ratohnhaké:ton'. All the sources say so. BRX 10:25, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Scar? on Lip?
Ok We Know he Does Have An Scar on His Lip But He Could Get One Just Like How Ezio Got His He Will Might Get An Scar on His Lip Like How Ezio Got His From An Rock For Connor We Going To Have To Wait and See


 * He doesn't have a scar on his lip, and this was already discussed above. -- 15:45, June 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * What did grammar ever to do you man? The Leaping Eagle 16:18, June 26, 2012 (UTC)

Appearences
The appearences for connor show assassins creed III liberation, since we know that the protagonist of this is aveline, should this still be on connors article or is it confirmed that he makes an appearence within this game. Aegritudo 15:11, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

He appears in Liberation as well. He's not the main protagonist, but yeah, he will still appear in the game. CryptoKiller 04:48, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

Thats cool that they have him as well, though it does seem a little far for him to travel, ny/ma where ac3 is set to new orleans,la where liberation plays out. Aegritudo 13:28, July 7, 2012 (UTC)

More like her to travel. Remember, Aveline was born many years before Connor. Most likely we'll see a very young Connor. ~ GI Auditore  Talk to me maybe? 09:06, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hair
Should we put in that he has his hair tied back, similar to Ezio's when he was younger? Because in the naval combat gameplay video, you can clearly see that his hair is tied back under the tricorn he's wearing. CryptoKiller 04:48, July 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't see the point. Aquilus had his hair tied back, and Ezio always had his hair tied back, it's not out of the ordinary. When the game comes out we will have pictures of him without his hood regardless. -- 16:45, July 7, 2012 (UTC)