Talk:Lucy Stillman/Archive 1

Arent the Istruttori supposed to be voting on featured and good stuff? Lucy's page has been in the voting proccess for way to long, just go and say yay or nay already!

Spying on Abstergo
So when does she start spying on Abstergo? The article makes no mention of when it started, as it makes it seem she was unaware of their secret agenda. I would assume she would have been an assassin since birth too. Im just confused since it sounds like she just ended up working for them. Miumaru 06:17, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

She probably started off working for them, spying from the beginning. I'm not sure when exactly that was chronologically, but she was definitely an assassin long before she went to Abstergo. You can tell because when you get to the assassin hideout in AC2 Rebeca hugs Lucy and says something like "it's been 6 years." Not 100% sure about what the exact quote was, but I know it was about 4-7 years. -- 06:30, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Death
Okay, so it was said that Lucy dies during Brotherhood. I was wondering if anyone could back that up anywhere right now. I put this into the trivia section, and three minutes later it was deleted:

"It has been rumored that Lucy dies during the Modern-Day events in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood. As Ubisoft has said that Desmond's story is supposed to "take an interesting turn", this may be the cause."

What do you guys (and gals) think? A.  J.  two  18:12, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's still a big assumption, just because they hinted it would take an interesting turn for Desmond. It could be other reasons. Things to do with his ancestors and such. We can't put in rumours that go between forums and such. If Ubisoft hinted more something might happen with Lucy, then that would have at least have been a more fair assumption. Altaïr 20:16, 31 July, 2010 (UTC)
 * The only reson I know about it is because, a few days back, an anon put it into the trivia section on the Main Brotherhood article. I figured if someone just came up with it, then it had to have been said somewhere. Even if it was on a forum, they wouldn't have been talking about it unless the person who started the thread had some kind of proof, even if really little. I figured it would be something worth checking into, but my computer hates a lot of websites, so I don't know if I would be able to view the thread when (and if) I find it. That's mainly the reason why I made this. A.  J.   two  18:23, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I thank you would be surprised how far fans can speculate, and what they'll speculate about. Really it can almost come from nowhere, just like the line you said, that it would take a drastic turn for Desmond. From that alone you would take something emotional is going to happen to Desmond, and the first thing that pops in your head is that something is going to happen to Lucy, which he cares about, and likely loves. What are the things that could happen? Kidnapping... Death. Things I can speculate about out of my own head because of just that one line. So, they don't need more sources at all to "assume" Lucy is going to die. -- Altaïr 20:38, 31 July, 2010 (UTC)

This reminds me of Altair lossing Adha. Blix1ms0ns 02:04, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Good point. A.  J.  two  19:03, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

On an completely unrelated note, why does it take you to Metroid Wiki when you press the button in the template at the top of the page? Did Cello originally get the template from there and never fixed the link? A.  J.  two  19:05, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I relegate the template management to other users. Maybe some of them copyed the infobox from there. (what link takes you to metroid wiki oO)? -- D. Cello 19:44, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * The edit section: "Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic." That link goes to the Metroid wiki, instead of creating a new section here. A.  J.   two  19:50, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I tried to fix it, but now it only points to the article, instead of giving you the option to edit it. Any ideas Stringed Instrument? A.  J.  two  20:01, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I SO have no idea what you're talking about.. oO See, that's why we need Progetisti!! -- D. Cello 20:04, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Instead of automatically going to the edit screen with a new section (like the "leave a new message" buttons), it just comes to the talk page. I tried to fix it, but I couldn't get it to work, so I gave up. I haven't been here long enough to know who is good with coding, so I don't know who to ask about it.
 * P.S. And aren't you supposed to know everything about the wiki, oh Holy Harp? :P A.  J.   two  20:08, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was a quarterback in school, "crazy computer coding" wasn't in my requirement sheet ;D -- D. Cello 20:09, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not even done with school yet :). I know my way around a computer, but I haven't been on Wikia long enough to learn all the coding involved, which is why I usually copy. A.  J.   two  20:15, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well if you guys like I could hunt down an old buddy of mine (that just so happens to be an AC fan as well, I got my copy of the first one from him for my birthday :D) that does a pretty darn good job at coding. He sure confuses me with his "code-talk", and I've seen some of the lines of code he's worked on, that stuff is intricant. XD What do you guys think? (that is, of course, if he's not already here under an assumed name, darn us Assassins for being discreet. *shifty eyes*) Assassin-Rayne 22:31, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about people who haven't completed the game?
 * I don't know how I'm gonna play AC III if Lucy actually died, wouldn't be the same without her. 114.77.151.72 09:33, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

So, while Lucy being stabbed and possibly dying was shocking as all heck, I knew beforehand, as evidenced by this very talk section. While I didn't know that I knew, I still knew nonetheless. This probably looks like I'm gloating or something, and I probably am, but still. 23:51, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Article Tense
Refering to writing, we consider what happens today 2010 in RL and 2012 in-game universe to be the current time frame. She is a assassin and that status is passive, only due to change if she interferes. Therefore, in 2012 she is still a assassin, so that bit can be written as present. -- D. Cello 22:38, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

@Jasca

"Ezio's story hasn't ended either, are you saying we have to put "is" everywhere on his article as well? Coz we're gonna have to put "will be" on this article... past tense across the board solves it"

Um, mate.. Ezio's story and death ended/happened centuries ago... so it's past tense.. Lucy's story is happening at that moment in the game, while Ezio's has already happened and they're just reliving his experiences.. like what Cello said.. XD  The T h i e f 05:54, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which Source says Ezio died? Just like Altair, his death is only assumed, not set in stone. And when I said his story is not yet over, I'm referring to the fact that Brotherhood has yet to be released, and so technically, his story is not yet finished. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 14:30, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that everything we know happened in the past. -- D. Cello 15:18, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * And 2012 is in the future&hellip; so by that standing, we should be writing "such and such will be a member of the Assassin's order" or whatever. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:31, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I already said that the present time is the game's present time. In-universe is in-universe, real life is real life. -- D. Cello 17:47, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * And in real-life, 2012 is in the future. I'm fine with having "Lucy Stillman is&hellip;" in the article if that's what people want, but we need to have a consensus on tense soon, otherwise people will be putting "is" on every article on the wiki. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:57, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Lucy is known to be an Assassin before 2012, at the top of the talk page someone mentioned that she says to Rebecca "It's been 6 years." or something similar. That would set our knowledge of her being an Assassin since 2006. 86.20.236.193 20:32, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. If you want to make a policy like the one you did for sourcing, you're more than welcomed and allowed to, Jasca. It would prevent lots of misunderstandings. -- D. Cello 19:42, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. If you want to make a policy like the one you did for sourcing, you're more than welcomed and allowed to, Jasca. It would prevent lots of misunderstandings. -- D. Cello 19:42, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well whatever we/you decide, remember that the present is still considered the most recent date mentioned in-game. Just make a policy that states that, exactly pretty much. Just by saying what I just said, should make it pretty clear what should be referred to as past-tense and present tense, heh -- P  i   r   a   t   e   h   u   n   t   e   r   (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:16, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Lucy's Abilites
So, I just read Lucy's trivia and it says she has similar free running abilities like Desmond and his ancestors. Does that imply that she is a hybrid too or just really good at scaling walls and jumping to greater heights? If so, Juno made Desmond kill his 'Eve' if she weren't a traitor. Well, Rosa was extremely agile, but she wasn't a hybrid. Strang3Happ3nings 00:35, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who says she's a hybrid? Desmond couldn't free-run untill the bleeding effect started kicking in in AC II. Lucy can free run probably from training she went through has she grew up with the assassins, it's even shown she cant free run as well as Desmond can once he picks up on Ezios abilities. And Lucy isn't Desmonds "Eve" Juno states that the woman he seeks is not within his sight or somehting like that and then has him kill Lucy probably for the feelings he had for her. Chris-the-killer 06:47, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's to say Lucy is dead? If Desmond was struggling again the Piece of Eden's control, he might not have stabbed her so that she dies, she could still survive. 86.20.236.193 20:26, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I knew about Juno's dialogue with Desmond, but I wanted to be sure because UbiSoft can slide things into the game, and the player wouldn't suspect a thing when it comes back. Like when Altair let Maria go in the 1st one; who knew she would become his wife? I didn't. Strang3Happ3nings 07:21, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're basically just trying to cover every possible ludicrous aspect so if it happens, you say "I told you so"? oO Meh, not gonna happen ;D -- D. Cello 16:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not that kind of person. ;) I merely wanted to know what other people thought about the subject. :) Plus I was a little unclear about it all. Strang3Happ3nings 01:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * So you're basically just trying to cover every possible ludicrous aspect so if it happens, you say "I told you so"? oO Meh, not gonna happen ;D -- D. Cello 16:56, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not that kind of person. ;) I merely wanted to know what other people thought about the subject. :) Plus I was a little unclear about it all. Strang3Happ3nings 01:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not that kind of person. ;) I merely wanted to know what other people thought about the subject. :) Plus I was a little unclear about it all. Strang3Happ3nings 01:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Red Trail
BROTHERHOOD SPOILERS

After Lucy tells you about the food, she goes outside...when you follow, she talks to you for a moment and goes back inside (but mostly seemed to disappear from my game until the very end). If you go into Eagle Vision, there's a red trail leading from where she was standing down to the fountain in front of the villa. (Wasn't that the entrance to the Auditore crypt or something?)

I assume this trail is why people talk about Lucy maybe being a traitor, but I'll trust her because she stays blue in Eagle Vision. (Actually, I'd put her loyalty beyond question just based on Desmond's Eagle Vision reveal in AC 1, but that's just my notion of sense/storytelling more than based on the facts as presented so far.) Regardless of Lucy's loyalties, I was just curious what the wiki community thought was going on there...who left the trail, what were they up to, were there clues in the game that I missed, that sort of thing. It's really nagging at me, but I can't come up with much.Shelkartmarne 05:24, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * The trail is always there, after rentering the animus. Always. I think it's for future DLC.NickTyrong 11:17, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, so I talked to her the first time when she goes outside, but after I finished Sequence 5, I noticed she was gone again. This time I couldn't find her outside. Anyone know where she went? 99.100.134.163 03:30, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the red trail means either, I noticed it looks like a DNA strand. The red stuff used to make it was probably blood. The fact that it starts near where Lucy was standing and ends at the Assassin insignia on the front of the Villa is way too specific to be a coincidence. I can't help but think its related to subject 16, but who knows?66.30.71.81 17:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the red trail means either, I noticed it looks like a DNA strand. The red stuff used to make it was probably blood. The fact that it starts near where Lucy was standing and ends at the Assassin insignia on the front of the Villa is way too specific to be a coincidence. I can't help but think its related to subject 16, but who knows?66.30.71.81 17:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what the red trail means either, I noticed it looks like a DNA strand. The red stuff used to make it was probably blood. The fact that it starts near where Lucy was standing and ends at the Assassin insignia on the front of the Villa is way too specific to be a coincidence. I can't help but think its related to subject 16, but who knows?66.30.71.81 17:25, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

HELP!
Okay, this sucks! I just finished subject 16's stuff, and when I leave the animus, THE GAME GLITCHES! My character freeses inside the damn chair, and I had to restart! Can someone please tell me what Lucy, who had finally come back from her little "stroll", was going to say!? PLEASE! STUPID GAME!NickTyrong 18:39, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Please help! This really sucks! i just finished the single player campaign, completed 98% of the game and realised i had forgotten to collect the artifacts hidden in 2012. Now i have no option to leave the animus, and the rumor of there being an option to travel their at the end of the credits is false. Does anyone know if there is anyway of getting back to 2012 after you have completed the AC Brotherhood campaign? 14:41, December 27, 2010 60.241.119.247 (Talk)
 * I would suggest posting this on the official forums, we're not a game guide here. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 18:43, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not asking for a guide. Just one scene because the game broke. If you can't help, thanks anyway.NickTyrong 00:44, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

you cant, so fail for you =D Galaick 14:33, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Serious?!?!?! Ubisoft, that's just NOOB!!! 14:41, December 27, 2010 60.241.119.247 (Talk)


 * First off, please sign your posts. It's utterly confusing to just respond to text with no author. Two, the exact same thing happened in ACII: you could not go back outside the Animus. The only time this didn't happen was in AC. -- A Black Rabbit 21:45, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

lucy's heritage
maybe lucy's ancestors are lucrezia and perotto calderon, and their broken lovechild. she looks a bit like lucrezia, and would be an assassin from perotto side of the family.KaiserC 16:32, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

I absolutely agree with you. I was one of the people with the Al Mualim = Vidic = Rodrigo theory, so this makes a lot of sense to me. Looking at the two side by side and you see a striking similiarity.

...Here is a picture of Lucrezia from real life.



...Here's the AC Lucrezia.



...Here's Lucy.



...Coincidence?

...I think NOT!

...Also, remember "The Cross Darkens the Horizon..." that could be a reference to Lucy being descendants of BOTH Templars and Assassins.

...YES

...Remember, Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted.

PS: Ma fsh shi hakik, kil eshayi mismouh.

PSS: Or as Assassin's Creed's Creative Directors translate INCORRECTLY (I am Arab, know how to speak Arabic)... Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine

PSSS: ...YES

Beirut 00:01, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

O_O Dude. I totally had not thought of that. That is awesome.

And by the way, what does "Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine" literally translate to? 98.192.42.30 02:26, December 29, 2010 (UTC)

At the end of AC2 if any1 had used eagle vision u wud have noticed that lucy has a golden glow.Now if i'm not mistaken doesn't that mean she is a target ?????

CAN SOME1 PLZZZ JUST CHECK UP ON THAT I"M 100% SURE I SAW HER GLOW GOLD!!!!!


 * Just because she had a golden glow at the end of AC2 does not make her an assassination target, just a target. Desmond had to follow her, so it makes sense for her to be gold. Don't shout, and sign your posts. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 13:20, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks dude i'm AK 47 btw

Are we getting anywhere substantial here because Desmond is also part templar because in AC2 you see the altair had a child with a templar which is one of Desmond's ancestors. Subject Eternal 18:53, January 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * You can't be "part-Templar". The Templars' are an organisation that recruits its members, whereas the Assassins are usually born into the Order. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 19:23, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Lucy also appears golden at the very start of AC2 when escaping from Abstergo (as do many characters that need to be follwed throughout the series). not necessarily enemies or assassination targets.

On the fact that lucy and lucrezia share an appearance. I doubt that this makes them related (granted it is possible). Consider the generation gap though and the amount of times the gene pool would have been changed and mixed for the possibility of her looking like similar. the same can be said for anyone.. Subject AMDR 21:43, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

i dunno...while in-game in ACB lucretia looks more like rebecca to me...save for the hair color...but the facial features look very similar...arent really any good pictures of rebecca from ACB on the internet though to where it can be seen

Phoenix.E3 06:52, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion when subject 16 said that "she is not who you think she is" he wasn't talking about lucy, he was talking about juno.. minerva was trying to save human kind, juno just trying to take revange from it.. thats why juno and lucy somehow connected.. remember when subject 16 was talking about "the sun, your son"? minerva was talking about "the sun" too.. i think lucy is pregnant to desmond's son.. thats why juno make desmond stab lucy in the stomach.. because juno thinks the sun shouldn't born... thats why she can't be a templar.. and even if desmond didn't born to the templar order, his "great great great great great great great grandmother" was a templar.. so i don't think templars just forget that... 94.121.201.170 11:20, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

1988?
What's the source for the 1988 birthdate? Subject One 04:35, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure but I'd like to know too, I don't remember in any of the games anyone saying Lucy was born in 1988 or that she was a certain age. I could be wrong on that, though. If she was born in 1988, she'd be 24 in the modern part of the game, and she said she's spent a decade searching POES, so that would mean she has been searching since before she could even drive?! LOL Kaity007 06:11, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

she didn't said she was searching alone.. 94.121.201.170 11:43, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler advertising
I think we should have an Spoiler advertising at the top of this article and not show that picture in which Lucy is stabbed Maki-san 03:47, July 4, 2011 (UTC)Maki-san
 * We had a spoier tag up for at least three months after the game came out, it's not needed anymore. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 12:54, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but until now Ubisoft treats the AC:B Final like an spoiler... but of course it is just my opinion ^o^ Maki-san 16:33, July 4, 2011 (UTC)Maki-san
 * We're not Ubisoft. -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record 08:56, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Trust Issues
I'm having a problem trusting Lucy. While at Monteriggioni she seemed a lot more distant and unfocussed than she had been in either of the prior games, something which William M. seemed to have noticed in their email correspondances as well. After spending 7 years working for the enemy it's quite possible that Lucy may have switched sides, or that she's being influenced by the Templars to betray her comrades.

Juno's comment about her not being what she appears seems to be talking about Lucy, especially since Juno then influences Desmond to attack her. Whether this is due to Juno seeing Lucy as simply a rival to 'Eve' or as a greater threat is something we'll have to wait to find out.

Her disappearance during the Memory 7 sequence is disturbing, especially since the others seem not too bothered with the fact that their leader leaves for several days (based on the weekly itinerary getting emailed to the team she would've been gone in-game between 3 and 5 days) in the middle of a very important time without any mention of where she's going.

Something else which is worrying is that the Eagle Vision can be fooled, not always showing a person's true allegiance. I'm basing this comment off the Thief Assignment Downsizing, where Ezio unwittingly follows a traitorous thief into an ambush with his Eagle Vision showing the thief to be an ally right upto the point where he turns on Ezio.

This could just be me getting paranoid though, since at one point I was convinced that the entire 'assassin hideout' set-up was an elaborate cover for the Templars to convince Desmond to lead them to the Apple.

-SirGeon Jones 21:48, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Your point? -- Jasca Ducato Council Chamber Assassination record
 * Don't trust the traitorous bitch! XD
 * And for that matter, don't trust the others either. William M made a point of telling Desmond not to share the information obtained from daVinci Disappearance with the rest of his team so it looks like the big man mighnt think there's a traitor on the team as well.
 * -SirGeon Jones 17:02, September 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * So, just going to throw this into the mix, has anyone else noticed Lucy is still using her pen from Abstergo in ACB? DS 121.91.187.235 15:33, September 24, 2011 (UTC)