User talk:ThiefAC

Welcome to my talk page, the name's Thief! Call me either that or my name, or end up dead. :D '''Archive 1 Archive 2 Archive 3'''

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Short Messages
3. Hey Thief, You see the Era Icons, what articles are they for? I was wondering because, ultimately every article should have at least one of them (being related to AC). Or are they reserved for a particular type of article only? i.e Featured articles? - I was wondering if i could add the BH template to each of the BH memories for example, as part of Project Symbiosis? Thanks in advance Lord of the Creed  08:10, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Hey Thief, Cello says get on the IRC Mibbit/demonIRC/whatever/new chat. xD We need more people on because apparently he's bored and there's not much to do. :P Rayne  Message 02:23, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Hey Thief, regarding the last memory of ACBH, A Seed, should I just enter the info that is part of the memory? i.e Ezio only. becuase this would be very short and have no dialogue. Alternatively, i could add all dialogue and actions/events that occur afterwards involving the modern day assassins finding the temple of Juno etc.. I only ask cos it's not technically a memory, but seems to make the most sense and be be best approach to getting a nice article instead of a boring one. What'd you think? Lord of the Creed  15:11, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) *Well, do what you think is best, in this case, your alternate idea. You don't need to ask my opinion on small things like this, do what you think is best, and if our community thinks it is bad/or done incorrectly, they'll fix it up! ;) The community are always there to fix up another user's edits if they're incorrect and unneeded. Safety and Peace. --  T H I E F  23:23, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) *Thanks for getting back to me on this. I get to it. 87.232.59.247 08:29, January 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * Scrap that, sorry! I see now that there is still some debate regarding there uses, particularly with articles that already have templates. I will wait for an official decision to be made on there use. Cheers anyway! Lord of the Creed  08:17, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * :::No problem. Glad you figured it out. ;) In my opinion it would suit those articles. --  T H I E F  08:25, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * :Yo Thief, get your ass on the IRC. :P There are some things I need to bring to your attention. Eh? EH?! EH?!?! Good. :D See you there, bro-chacho. :P Rayne  Message 08:05, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Vandals
Hey Thief, this guy is not valdalizing pages as such, rather he's medal abusing... He's just editing the same page over and over and over again, here's his page --> Zlatan R Cheers! Sick-steeN 10:24, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Heres a vandal for you thief,75.219.226.214, a real one this time! ha Sick-steeN  00:18, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thief, you don't mind if I handle this one do you? Thanks. :P Got him, Six. :D Thanks for reporting. Rayne  Message 00:21, January 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all good Rayne. As long as the vandal is put down we're all happy. :D --  T H I E F  01:34, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Thief, got a vandal here for you. Lord of the Creed 17:03, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Got him yet again for you, Thief. :P Happy editing. Rayne  Message 17:20, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL.. when I sleep, Rayne takes over. :P --  T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  23:39, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

vandal http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/124.185.16.33 DanMan7308 09:50, January 28, 2011 (UTC) DanMan737


 * Rayne got him. -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  10:18, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * While the Thief is away, the Rayne will play, and with his hidden blade will make the Vandals pay. :P Rayne  Message 06:57, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a vandal for ya! 194.72.50.238 Sick-steeN  13:16, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a vandal for ya! 194.72.50.238 Sick-steeN  13:16, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Metal Abusing

 * Thief, let me clarify. Zlatan R is not a vandal, and Sixteen, you'd do well to actually look at the edits rather than just accuse because of the recent activity. Yes, Zlatan R edited the Mnemonic page more than a few times, and yes his edits were a bit unnecessary, but he did it with good intentions. Rayne  Message 10:28, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Rayne, I never said he was a vandal, I noticed he was contributing with good intentions. But when I saw he was editing the same page over and over I thought he could have been doing it to clock up edits, as I was told to keep an eye out for users who do just that. Sorry if it came across the wrong way, I will be more considerate in future! Thanks Rayne! Sick-steeN  11:14, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not a vandal, no. Yet look at the section you put him under on this talk page. ;) You're doing good in keeping an eye out for medal abusers and vandals, I admit that Sixteen, but before you accuse then look at the edits to make sure. I don't want a repeat in history, mmkay? Back to work. :P Rayne  Message 11:20, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Moved this to a seperate section. Rayne  Message 11:23, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well.. That's sorted. ;) Thanks Rayne. ;) -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  12:09, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, Thief. :P Just keeping an eye on things when you aren't around. xD Rayne  Message 12:13, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Permission
Hi, Thief. I wanted to know if i could add my name on the project members list of Absolute Symbiosis. I have created a few memories and intend do more. Thank you.

Vatsa 10:46, January 26, 2011 (UTC)

Of course, Vatsa. -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  13:55, January 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thief, i was thinking of adding Copernicus Conspiracy to the AC:BH Memories page and into the template list(am I allowed to edit a template? If not i'll give the memory list and you can edit that). What say you?

Vatsa 17:23, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yep, that seems like a good idea :D. Though you would need to make a new article for it as this article Copernicus_Conspiracy (DLC) is for the DLC overview and not for the mission. Very good idea and I appreciate you asking me. ;) Happy editing, Vatsa! -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  22:56, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Istruttori Page Colors
Hey Thief. I've noticed that the projects page (which includes the Featured, Good and Members Nomination page) are still rendered in the old Istruttori colors. Do you have any plans to update them to the moderator's current colors (which is Darkred and White), and if you do have plans, do you know how? Because I don't. I tried while the Major Revamp was still in progress, but to no avail. -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 10:26, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hey War. I actually previewed this beforehand and the page looks stupid and messy with a darkred inning (background) and white border. I think it's good the way it is, (darkred border, white inning). ;) -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  11:06, January 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm...Was the text written in white when you previewed it? -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 11:19, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, but even if I did change everything white it would still look a bit messy IMO. -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  11:30, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Really? Maybe you should get on the IRC so we can discuss this better. -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 11:39, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, seems my browser (or background application) was making the page look stupid (for some reason the text/borders wouldn't change color or anything, weird I know). I'm changing it now, it looks okay... -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  12:41, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a "cache" problem in the end, anyway. Tell me what you think. Goodnight. -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  12:43, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking good. The blue links look awkward though. The best way to deal with them is to turn the blue links into white ones (the links on top of a white background should obviously be white (use the source)). Other than that, everything looks great. :D -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 13:24, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and bold the links, just like how I did it at the headers. -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 13:34, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * That looks horrible oO Too much red, it's not a confortable color to read as a background. My eyes hurt already x.x -- D. Cello 16:57, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmhm. I agree that the white was better (darkred was still okay though) but War didn't trust my opinion (as always :P). And War, lmao. You should be really doing these small things yourself and not waiting for me to wake up, if you know how to make a template you'll know how to change the color of a link! :D Lazyass! XD -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  23:19, January 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not about me being a lazy ass, it's about you being Direttore. It's the Istruttori's page, you're in charge of that. Okay, so maybe it is about me being a lazy ass, and that's not admin material. I'll see what I can do. -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 14:47, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can someone change that page? It is still hurting my eyes x.x -- D. Cello 16:51, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * War.. spitting that statement out, like you said, didn't change the fact that you're a lazy ass. ;) Admins can edit too, it's not like they're bound to oth--- you know what, you already know you're a lazy ass, and I'm too lazy to write down anything else.. so I'm a lazy ass too. XD
 * Sure, Cello. I'll revert it. They'll still somewhat be the Istruttori colors, War. ;) They'll just be negative. (White inning, darkred border). Safety and Peace to both of yers.. ;) -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  23:09, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's back to normal. It took a long time to revert though.. lol. Since I'm the one who's contributing to that page most lately, I couldn't rollback at certain times. ;) -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  23:22, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess. Maybe it's because I can't see my sig. XD. And I already stated it up top, I can't do it. I tried messing with it, but didn't quite get how it worked. -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 03:54, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Joining WikiProject/Absolute Symbiosis
How can I become a member of this project? Since I have just completed AC II second time I can help by providing any info I can./

[http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed_Wiki:WikiProject/Absolute_Symbiosis Just simply edit this article and add your name to the members list! It's as easy as that!] We appreciate your help in joining this project! Aaaand.. please remember to sign your posts by placing 4 tildes (~) at the end of your message. Cheers, -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  00:05, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

YouTube Images
Hey Thief, yeah I get the majority of my images from watching hours and hours of HD YouTube paly throughs - takes forever and I usually have to do some photoshop editing but I think its working well so far! Let me know if you need anything Direttore! Cheers! Sick-steeN 02:37, January 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haha, thanks mate! I was just curious because the quality isn't as good as raw screenshots from in-game (which isn't such a bad thing in this case, as the images you get ARE good enough for our articles)! I really appreciate what you're doing and the time you've given up for this wiki, really good job and keep up the awesome work ;) Kudos. -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  03:07, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Landmarks Infoboxes
Hi Thief, how are you? I think that the landmarks pages could do with some revamping and I think that they would look better with infoboxes, should I create some for them or you could and I would help implement them? Thanks ;D Campbell430 19:59, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Campbell, I'm great, yourself? There is already an infobox for landmarks and locations. Here's the template. I'll help you implement them (though I can't say I'll be as fast as you.. XD still got some work), I was actually going to start working on this subject earlier, but work caught up with me. ;) Cheers, -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  22:37, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't know, I'll get right on it :D Campbell430 16:42, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed
In the Absolute Symbiosis page there is no mention of memories from Assassin's Creed.Is it because they are at their best?

--Nisheeth 04:32, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's because the original Assassin's Creed doesn't have the same memory system as ACII and ACBH and so on. In Assassin's Creed I's sequences there is a mix of different "Investigations" where you eavesdrop, interrogate, etc.. These memories aren't unique and there is no point documenting/writing about them since every playthrough the player can select 4 different investigations and still have the same outcome. Do you understand what I mean? :P Happy editing! -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  05:00, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thanks
 * --Nisheeth 07:40, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, mate. ;) -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  11:34, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Seeker Page
There is somethig wrong in the Seekers page. The content is all congested in a thin column on the left of the page. Is it roblem in the my browser(I am using Opera)

--Nisheeth 07:47, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks normal to me ;). Must be your browser, Nisheeth. Happy editing, -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  11:34, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Any work for me?
Hey Thief, just popped by to see if you have any projects you would like me to work on - image wise? I was thinking about starting at the beginning of the AC II memories and working forward through Brotherhood, adding images where necessary and doing some resizing to create some consistency between pages, but if you have anything else in mind I would be happy to work on it. Sick-steeN 19:33, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's cool, Steen. I appreciate this, mate. But I don't have any requests.. keep on editing :D. You're doing a truly excellent job and to be honest the main reason why those two open staff spots are still open is because we're doing some revamping to the Istruttori system itself, so anyone who is reading this, don't feel stupid that you haven't been.. as we say "recognized" yet ;). Anyway, Steen. I appreciate this again, but the reason why I don't need these requests furfilled is because I used to be the "infamous" image capturer such as you are (yep, I've let you take the title, hahaha XD), after Zwoosh and someone called PhantomT1412 had left and went AWOL. But yeah, quite simply.. If I need images, I can get 'em :P (haha, I just read that again and it sounded like I was being blunt, I'm truly sorry if you think that XD, not intended.) Happy editing. -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  00:06, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Haha! Nah don't worry Thief, I know you meant no offense! :D Anyway I will keep doing what I'm doing and should you or anyone else require my assistance, its always available! Cheers! Sick-steeN  00:28, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Page deletion
Hi Thief!

I saw that Subject 16* put a page up for deletion and you cleared it. The article was 72, I saw it and agreed that it was a miserable page, however I thought it would be a good page to have an article on. So started to edit it and expanded the content but unfortunately you deleted it before I could finish.

Other than requiring images, and possibly a skim over my wording, I think it would be an acceptable article now. I'm sure 16* can get me the images I need for it, but I wanted to clear it with you though before I recreate it... basically the content explains it's appearence throughout Brotherhood, and has quotes, links and (will have images). - I guess we could recreate it it as a trial run for you to approve my changes and if you dislike or still don't think it's approriate then sure, we can always delete it again.. What do you think? Lord of the Creed 10:09, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Oops, sorry for deleting it. These new pages appear on the front page, and.. that page didn't even have 2 lines and had a delete tag.. it would really give first readers a bad impression of this wiki. ;)

Sure, go ahead with your idea, I'm not against trial and error.. seriously though, you didn't even need to ask XD. I would've understood your decision and if someone disagreed they would discuss it on the article's talkpage. Thanks for helping this wiki out, and sorry again for deleting the article. Happy editing! -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  10:53, February 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey no worries, it was a bad article, it wasn't even an article really! So I would'ave done the same, but I'll give put a little more effort into it and see if I can turn it into something a little more worthwhile. Thanks for getting back to me anyway! Lord of the Creed  13:17, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey again, so Subject 16* and myself have finished majorly revamping that article, check it out! Catch ya later! Lord of the Creed  15:26, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * :::Looks great, I just had to fix a few things.. (that poor article was crowded with images.. mostly of the same thing.) :P. Good job! :D -- <font color="#000080"> <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  23:21, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

I love lamp!!
Wahey another Mr. Burgundy fan!ha Also good to hear your safe over there in crazy old Oz, poor Queensland is getting tore apart! Anyway I just noticed that you added a 'sort of request' to the Project Symbiosis page about trying to get the images from the -in game- dna menu for each memory. I think I can make that happen... would you like me to have a go? Sick-steeN 00:34, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Nah, it's all good Steen.. ;) I've just realised now that the old images have been replaced with non-dna menu ones.. it would be too much work going through the articles again.. I guess I posted that rule too late, heh! :D Thanks though! -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  06:27, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for digging through the history and re-adding the icons in. I appreciate it, hah :)! -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  08:34, February 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Thief, you punted my dog of man, that's not cool!! I mean, i'm sorry about the burrito, but if you wana throw down a fistica that's fine, I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary waiting for ya! Lord of the Creed  15:44, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

New Istruttori icons
Hey Thief, since you have been trying to get new Assassin Apprentice icons for Istruttoti members I thought I would investigate a way to help you...and so I ended up doing some photoshop experiments using this Brotherhood recruit template:



This was the Result:

Haha, they're awesome! Maybe Cello would like those ones, since you can see more differentiallity (is that even a word?) between the icons.. I love mucking around with photoshop, small icons like these are always simple and fun to make.. :D Thanks for all the help! :D -- <font color="#000080"> <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  04:52, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Assassin's Tombs
The Assassin's Tombs page says it is in need of Revamp. Can you please tell what all needs improvemet in the page?

--Nisheeth 10:08, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not so sure, actually. :] -- <font color="#000080"> <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  10:17, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Re-Uploading Images
Thief, why are you re-uploading images? More specifically, why are you re-uploading images that have been uploaded by me, which came from your resource (hope that made sense) ? Is this about credit for the shot? Look, I don't care if you do the same to every image here in the wiki, but I just got to ask: Is credit for a picture really that big of a deal to you? -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 09:18, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Haaah... War. Don't be so.. ermm.. "judgemental" all the damn time (you expected the worse without even waiting for a reply, geez).. I'm making a resource pictures section of my userpage which would list all the images I have contributed to this wiki so far, I like big numbers and would love to add my AC:AC and Discovery pics to that gallery collection (I'm using a contributions filter to add them all easier, so if I hadn't of reuploaded them they wouldn't appear), is that such a crime? The way you're saying this and being all judgemental about it is kind've making me believe that it's a big deal to you (my uploads weren't even affecting the wiki's well-being).. Luckily I'm an easy-going guy, so I'm not really intending this to start into one of those arguements you always seem to spring off XD... anyway sorry if that offended ya, not my intention.. You always seem to be starting fires between people on this wiki, War.. save it for vandalisers and idiots that deserve it, not small things like this.. wow. A bit dissapointing, mate.. :[ -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  11:22, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Get used to disappointment. I have. And point taken, continue your work. FYI, credit does not matter to me. Re-upload everything I've uploaded, I'd be barely fazed to even take a look. Anyways, continue whatever it is you were doing. -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 11:29, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was just re-uploading the pictures I had given you.. that is all. Don't make me seem like I'm taking everything that you've uploaded. It's not even a big deal.. why would you nit-pick on such a small, non-wiki-hurting thing; mate?
 * You've got to stop being an ass at the wrong times. It's getting pretty annoying. :D -- <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  11:39, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Look, I said continue. That's it. I get what you're saying. Do it. You want me to put in a million smileys in order to tone down the douchebag/asswipe/jerkwad attitude? :D -- <font color="#FFFFFF">Jacques le Blanc Reception Area 11:47, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

AC 2 ending and Bleeding Effect
--Nisheeth 10:35, February 4, 2011 (UTC) I think that covers it, but if you still don't understand I can try and explain it more! ;) Safety and Peace, -- <font color="#000080"> <font color="#000080"> T <font color="#0b0076">H <font color="#15006c">I <font color="#200062">E <font color="#2b0059">F  11:34, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) At the end of AC 2 (in the vatican vault) Ezio takes out the apple from the pouch on his belt. When does he put the apple in the pouch? As far as I could remember I last saw it in the Staff of Eden.
 * 2) In the Bleeding Effect page, there is a template saying that it refers to the real world. I don't quite get what it means. Can you help?
 * 1) Not sure, he probably put it in his pouch while the camera was focusing on something else.. :)
 * 2) That template basically means that the article is written too "game-like" to our standards.. so, for example in one sentence the article could say "In the second game, Desmond used the Bleeding effect to gain skills from Ezio Auditore da Firenze".. but by our wiki-rules that sentence should change to "In the year 2012, Desmond used the Bleeding effect to gain skills from Ezio Auditore da Firenze". Another sentence that should be changed could be "In the first game, Warren Vidic done some in-genius crap." while it should be changed to "In early 2012, Warren Vidic done some in-genius crap."